Another Gunday, another 2A history lesson for the tards: Learn what a PRIVATEER was, numbskull!
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I'm also pretty sure that an automatic rifle is considered a basic weapon next to some of the stuff that the military has.
It is, but it's been complicated by a Federal level 3 license.
Lol, no.
Usually, people who don't know what they're talking about say "class 3 license."
"Federal level 3 license" is a new one to me.
There is a "Class 3 Special Occupation Tax" for FFLs, allowing them to deal with NFA weapons, and this is where the mythical "class 3 license" bologna began.
You don't need any special license as an individual to own NFA weapons. You just need time and a fat bank account.
https://nationalgunrights.org/resources/nfa-faq/
Hell yeah!
Asking for a friend? 😉
This part should be emphasized more often. Most people -- even many pro-gun people -- have no idea how scarce and astronomically expensive full-auto guns are.
In Idaho you can build them yourself, and as long as you don’t sell them or take them across state lines, you’re all good
Doesn't that still violate federal law (presuming the builder doesn't have the proper FFL)?
Yes.
No. The feds will still argue it violates interstate commerce, even if you don't actively engage in any interstate commerce, because the mere existence of said firearm affects interstate commerce.
Look I think it's bullshit, and most of the NFA/GCA/FOPA should be repealed. But if you go and make your own PewPewPew, you're probably going to get some very unwanted federal BATFE attention.
What them alphabet boys don't know can't ruffle their feathers.
Only if you try to sell it or take it to another state
Constitutionally then federal govt only has rights not retained by the states or the people
The people and the state of Idaho retain the right to manufacture for personal use any and all types of firearms including those federally regulated
Very cool. I guess it's like marijuana then. Federally illegal but the state allows it. I wish more states were like Idaho.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa9inSZvMsk
I never bothered with it, so I'm not 100% on it.
Thanks for the info!
The term “Class 3” is widely used in reference to NFA weapons mostly because more often than not, people who are into firearms enough to want to play with NFA weapons typically already have an FFL or go that route, and that means they would be applying for a class 3 SOT and pay the $500/year tax, which would be on top of the cost of a type 1, 2, and 9 FFL (about $1100/year for all 3). Type 1 is for collectors, 2 for dealers, and 9 for destructive devices. All 3 are required to get a class 3 SOT. So yeah, expensive endeavor.
The running joke among NFA enthusiasts is the term "class 3 license" being used by people who say it like they know what they're talking about.
You start talking about it's probably better to go the 07/02 route and their eyes glaze.
Also, I'd wager to say that most of the ~225,000 machineguns in the NFRTR are owned by individuals.
I think you've slightly misstated the SOT - you have to already have an 01, 02 OR 09 FFL to get a class 3 SOT. You certainly don't have to have all 3.
I have 7 tax stamps currently... Significantly easier to just pay the one time fee of 200 dollars than deal with fees every single year.
Not for individuals. The yearly tax only applies to FFLs, and is a flat fee vs a per item fee. Individuals pay $200 one time with their Form 1 or 4, get the blue stamp, and are good to go with some exceptions. Those exceptions are mainly that you need to inform the ATF if you intend to take the item across State lines or if it is destroyed.
A special license is not needed for an individual or a trust to possess an NFA item (silencer, AOW, machine gun, short barrel rifle, short barrel shotgun). It only requires a special form to be submitted to ATF along with payment of a $200 tax ($5 for an AOW), fingerprints, and a whole lot of patience. It typically takes around 9 to 12 months for the form to be approved and returned with the required tax stamp. The turnaround time can vary of course.
This also means the item is registered with ATF as well, sooooo.
Yeah - you go ahead and register.
Government needs to stay out of my business.
The registry for civilian transferable machine guns was closed in 1986 by the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act, so individuals can only buy a machine gun that already exists on the registry. That is why a transferable MAC-10 costs upward of $8,000 when it should cost around $500. Limited supply.
This is also true. I forgot to include that important bit of info. ;-)
Thank you!
But also your state may outlaw the nfa item altogether and, if not, your city might require the chief LEO's approval.
Welcome to the land of infringements.
Time can vary depending upon form type and whether trust or individual, but yeah. Amount of backlog can affect times too.
See https://www.nfatracker.com for more specific info.
ETA: Looks like wait time has improved a bit lately. Some forms may only be 6 months, YMMV.
Do you have to send in said paperwork with the NFA item listed or do you get the tax stamp and then apply it to whatever NFA item you want to buy?
The serial number of the NFA item to be transferred/manufactured and registered is listed on the submitted form. If "making" your own NFA item for personal use (not sale), there's a different form (Form 1) vs Form 4 for transfer of an existing item from dealer to individual or trust.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-1-application-make-and-register-firearm-atf-form-53201
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/form-4-application-tax-paid-transfer-and-registration-firearm-atf-form-53204
Good thing I can’t read
Yeah I don't personally own active crowd denial microwave radiation weapons, nor tungsten rods from god satellites, but a man can dream!
Found the pacifist! Ya gotta step up your game, fren!
lol, I'm trying!
It's cool, pede. We can set up a GoFundMe account for you.
One day..
Should be. I mentioned this in my post last night but up until about the early 30s you could buy a full auto Tommy Gun from the Sears catalog. They were marketed toward cattle ranchers that might need to defend their livestock against packs of wolves, for example.
And packs of peaceful protestors!
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/97/33/2f/97332f9a1f36f15bdd631ddee4f3bc12--first-citizens-submachine-gun.jpg
In the Revolutionary War, the Pennsylvania long rifle had some superior capabilities to common issue military muskets of the time.
Yup. Machine guns are primarily used to make the enemy keep their head down while a friendly element maneuvers on them to kill them with aimed, semi-automatic shots... or grenades. Literally basic shit.
As a member of the military, I do not want the military to have a complete monopoly of force. We have idiots and power-grabbers and politics-players just like any I her organization.
This idea of a free citizen, able to do what they like (except committing robbery, rape, arson, murder, & fraud) is what makes America such a great place to live.
It's also why so many non-Americans want to illegally come here (cutting in line and not going through the proper immigration process) despite Democrats saying America is such a racist, exploitative, and unfair shithole that needs to be fundamentally changed into a Socialist country.
Irony. It's what's for dinner. 😂
Most of the non-Americans that want to come here illegally OR legally only want the benefits of the economy/government hand-outs. They don't share the same principals of free speech, ownership of arms, etc. That's why so many of them vote left.
Thats why we should boot their ass out. Or you know, place stricter limits on admission and actively promote assimilation into the culture
That's a shame. Living on handouts is un-American, IMO.
Seconded. I do believe criminals should not be allowed to own weapons since they broke the trust of society and thus cannot be trusted with the full rights of a normal citizen. And so if non-criminal citizens are allowed to buy fully-automatic weapons, we shouldn't see any increase in violence used by legally-owned weapons. And certainly someone who can afford such a weapon is not likely to be criminal-minded. And if it does end up happening, justice would naturally be pretty damn harsh on them. So I really don't see any reason we can't trust law-abiding people with pretty much any weapon of war, so long as they know how to properly employ them.
Because we can't jail everyone forever for every crime and we shouldn't?
Define "violent criminal"?
So what they're saying is, citizens should be allowed to own military-grade weapons?
The answer is yes.
Can’t have a “well regulated militia” without military grade weapons
Fixed and rotary wing aircraft and armaments too y'all!
Why yes that is my A-10 Warthog setting out there on my little airstrip by the barn...
If I have the funds to own my own F-22A Raptor, God dammit I should be able to buy one!
That'd be my choice.
I think I read it's one of the easier to fly.
Of course it's the baddest ass because it's the last "WWII type fighter plane".
They thought the tactic it was designed for was out of date and tried to mothball them but had to dust "dust em off" when proved wrong.
Don't think there's a new platform to replace it with either.
Ground troops will ALWAYS need danger close air support to prectect them from armor.
The whole nine yards.
Made cheaply and meeting bare minimum standards?
Mil-spec is mil-spec
mil-spec is made by lowest bidder
Or the one which gets the Contract. There may only be one supplier capable of meeting the SPEC, in which case it is the only bidder.
And so it naturally follows that sometimes specs are required specifically so that supplier X gets the contract.
You know it. Sausage Gravy Train. Pork Plate Special!
They also might be the only supplier capable, like a Patent Holder, or TS/SCI/SAP Supplier. We literally have at least 21 Trillion which is unaccounted for, which went into these suppliers and programs. It's wild!
I'm sure that in 1985, plutonium is available in every corner drug store
"Mr. Fusion" Hilarious
yes
Correct. See: 2nd Amendment
No. You don't license rights.
"Allowed"
Friend, a king or other ruler "allows" you to do something.
Nobody "allows" us to own guns! It's our birthright.
Sorry friend, you are completely wrong, and using defunct gun-grabber talking points from the past.
This is now settled law.
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER (No. 07-290) 478 F. 3d 370
Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training. See Johnson 1619 (“Regulate”: “To adjust by rule or method”); Rawle 121–122; cf. Va. Declaration of Rights §13 (1776), in 7 Thorpe 3812, 3814 (referring to “a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms”).
Held:
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
Fellow Pede, this view is WAY out of line for MAGA.
Licensing and Registration are mere preludes to eventual confiscation.
You must live in a very restrictive State to even think this way. "basic license process" - these words sound strange to most people in this country as only a few borderline commie States even have such things!
Come join us in MAGA country!
My condolences. :)
You don't. (Shocking, eh?!)
Guns are not particularly hard to use, and the rules are simple; don't aim it at anything you are not willing to destroy. That's it!
It was not that long ago that most every high school had a rifle club, many complete with shooting range in the basement.
https://ma.ga/WPc3c
No, you're missing the point.
Nowhere in the constitution does it allow for a standing army. Our military has to be authorized by Congress every year.
The 2A was supposed to make a standing army moot, as our citizenry and militias are supposed to be the strength of the republic.
We're not supposed to have parity with the government as citizens; we're supposed to have complete power over it.
We ARE the government!
That's the whole point of a republic.
We HIRE people to represent our needs.
They, however, have designated themselves our superiors, like an aristocracy, and think they "lead" us.
Those jerks need to have the uppity slapped out of them.
P.S. Even Tucker gets it wrong when he refers to them as our "leaders" without making that clearly sarcastic.
Great points across the board.
The whole point of 2A was that it was supposed to keep the government in check.
Washington himself said that he hoped there would be regular revolts and secessions from the United States, simply because it showed that the people were still free and the government had to keep the people's desires close at heart.
Besides a basic license and registry?
Fuck you.
Citizenship is license.
True fact. The Redcoats were marching on Lexington and Concord to confiscate privately own CANNONS and small arms from private citizens.
Suck that lefty scum bags!
they also did it by wantonly marching through a community that had expressly refused to allow British military passage because they wanted to remain peaceful
they fucked around and found out. "Don't Tread On Me" literally means "All I ever wanted was to be left alone, you might start this shit but I'll finish it"
99.9% of people have NO clue of the whole "politics of the thing"
I have a basic understanding and I'm way ahead of the curve on that!
So much history being lost. It's fuckin sad.
The puckle gun is another great one to bring up when these idiots try to restrain 2A by revolutionary standards. Basically a rotating multi barreled flintlock gun from the early 1700s
Another great example
I love his gun videos but I want to say that he's very anti Trump. I think someone posted something about his TDS a while back, but I couldn't find it just now
Yeah, I loved Gun Jesus' videos, but his political views soured me completely.
The well regulated part of 2A was about standards, civilians ARE the militia and should have access to everything that the military does. This is weapons, gear, and training. There wasn’t even supposed to be a standing army.
THERE IS NO SUCH FUCKING THING AS AN ASSAULT RIFLE
Assault weapon is a legal
fictiondefinition. Assault rifle is a technical definition.And it means a select-fire (i.e. full-auto) rifle. No, libtards, an AR-15 is not an "assault rifle."
"Assault weapon" is a made-up term meaning "anything that looks scary to me."
There used to exist a reference which I can't find anymore with machine pistol, sub machine gun, assault rifle, machine gun, etc etc definitions.
"Assault Rifle" is also a made up term, originating from the German Sturmgewehr, which translates to "storm rifle". They named it this way because it's scary. These words have always had their origins in propeganda.
It got the name the same way sturmtruppen did. It's a different sort of soldier than the regular infantry just as the sturmgewehr is a different sort of gun then a machinenpistole or karabiner.
Agree 100%
What's the term for an intermediate caliber select-fire rifle, then?
Article from 2017 in Daily Wire - Why Progressives Use The Made-Up Term ‘Assault Weapon’
They had this too
Do these dumb fucks even bother to do a cursory search before spouting their bullshit?
It's a wonder we haven't wiped them off the face of the earth by now.
Americans god bless
In the last 2 months have purchased 4x the amount of guns that the entire US military has on stock, or roughly 100x the amount of guns all police and federal law enforcement have combined.
If you combined every military and law enforcement in the entire world Americans still out gun them.
It doesn't matter, we have our semi auto AR-15's and enough of them to fuck up the entire world.
The hippy-dippy beautiful state of Vermont was founded by Ethan Allen, a farmer, businessman, land speculator, philosopher, writer, lay theologian, American Revolutionary War patriot, and politician, who helped lead the Green Mountain Boys to push New York settlers out of what was at the time western New Hampshire, and declared sovereignty as New Connecticut in 1777, and later that year, renamed the state of Vermont.
In other words, rich guy led a private militia in NH, basically created his own state.
Ho–all to the borders! Vermonters, come down,
With your breeches of deerskin and jackets of brown;
With your red woollen caps and your moccasins come,
To the gathering summons of trumpet and drum.
Come down with your rifles!
Let gray wolf and fox
Howl on in the shade of their primitive rocks;
Let the bear feed securely from pig-pen and stall;
Here's two-legged game for your powder and ball.
Yes. And now that state has been infested and overtaken by leftie refugees from MA and NY.
I really, really wanted to retire to Vermont. But it just ain't what it used to be.
Lol, comparing “assault” rifles to cannons... smdh
"assault weapons" makes me chuckle.
I just can’t understand how you could be afraid of president Trump being a tyrant and also want the military, that answers directly to him, to be the only group with anti personal weapons. The mind boggles.
Come listen and I'll tell you how first I went to sea, To fight against the British and earn our liberty! We shipped with Captain Whipple, who never knew a fear, The Captain of the Providence, the Yankee Privateer!
As soon as "assault rifle" is used, I generally dismiss the person as either ignorant, or knowingly deceptive.
There's no excuse for the former in this age of excess info, and the latter can just fuck right off.
(Is there even a correct time to use the term 'assault rifle'?)
"Assault Rifle" is a real term. It means select fire, medium cartridge rifle.
You are talking about the fake term "Assault Weapon" which means anything scary to pansy-ass gun grabbers.
AN ASSAULT RIFLE IS NOT A REAL THING!!!
A cannon is certainly not an "advanced weapon."
Muzzle loading cannons are still legal under Federal law, much like the muzzle loading rifles that were possessed by civilians and military alike during the Revolutionary period. Most states don't even consider a muzzle loading rifle or pistol to be a firearm.
Deshan needs to learn a bit more about the "ammendments" [sic]...
Fuck yea, saving up for my A-10
IF i had a few billion to piss away id buy a warship and post it on Sunday gunday.
A Privateer in the colonial ages is basically the equivalent of a citizen using a privately owned tank to help protect America in the modern age
The hole in this argument is that Privateers required a Letter of Marque issued by the government.
But the point still stands.
They needed the Letter of Marque so they wouldn't be treated as pirates if captured.
Pirates were summarily executed.
Privateers would be at least treated as prisoners of war. (not necessarily well)
(In the past, as well as in modern day USA - if you wanted to build a private warship, nobody is stopping you. You can own the ship and whatever machineguns or cannon you can afford. You can then go sailing around in it to your heart's content. If you behave as a pirate though, robbing and attacking people, you prolly gonna die!)
So. No hole in the argument!
Which letter they would very likely not be granted unless they already had a capable vessel and crew.
Haha! My ancestor and his fam owned THREE, and apparently took no shit from anyone stepping on what was his per pissy letters to England that got nowhere 😂💁💅
I bet these retards don't know when the first nationalized American army was created.
Also look up “letter of marque” which was basically a country’s government telling PRIVATE CITIZENS that they could seize the property of another government or their private citizens and have the backing of the government issuing the letter.
Andrew Jackson employed privately owned cannons from local residents during the Battle of New Orleans.
"Advanced weapons like assault rifles"
Semi-auto rifles are advanced? 😂
Should we name Trump the Trump flotillas that I want to be a part of so badly, "Trump Privateers"?
They also had a court case declaring this to be true unambiguously. The way I always put it is that we need the same shit the military has bc we need may need to protect ourselves from the state at the end of the day. Yes that means nukes for the militias. But think of the logistics behind getting a nuke, it would have to be a huge, well funded militia who made one. It wouldn't just be every tom dick and harry who had a nuke in their garage. It would be more groups akin to blackwater in size and scope. Idk, it could be done. Imagine if the deep state knew that if they ever went hot they would have nuclear annihilation to deal with. That would probably calm them down a bit on their whole global takeover game.
People who disagree just haven't understood the threat.
Simple muskets were military grade weaponry when the second amendment was written.
It’s insane how these communists can make up their own history as they please.
CASSIUS CLAY owned a cannon and used it to defend himself from racist democrats
Someone advocating for the removal of rights didn't have even a basic grasp on the nation's history, the Founding Fathers' views, or the context of the statements made? I am shocked - SHOCKED
Bring back the privateers.
I can think of several locations that are just money laundering fronts for serious bad actors.
"Washington didnt allow" KEK
Facist lol
TIME TO BUY A CANNON
These people are literally just so fucking stupid. They know absolutely nothing and still talk like they know everything. Really grinds my gears....
The reason we will never give up our weapons is because understand that history is littered with the mass graves of unarmed people who were governed by the left.
Still waiting from my congressman about my request for a letter of marquis