So, earlier today I had a steak dinner with my mom, dad, my sister and her boyfriend. Now, I had previously listened to them at other dinners about how Donald Trump is literally Hitler because he is scapegoating illegals, and how we all need to fight white privilege. I kept my mouth shut since I didn't want to start an argument, but tonight was different.
My dad started with talking about how Trump was an authoritarian, I politely disagreed and tried to explain as to why I thought the Democrats fit the bill even more.
Big mistake, they looked at me with total shock that I dared to have a differing political opinion. What followed was me trying to explain as to why I think the Democrats are the worst thing for america. But the kept interrupting me with, "But muh racism, muh facism, muh sexism." Everytime I refuted something they would say I was just being used.
The real kicker is my sisters boyfriend looked at me and siad, "I feel like you're just listing off a ton of points to make your point." Like, the fuck else am I supposed do?
My own mother literally called me a nazi supporter and my sister left crying. Her boyfriend kept looking at me like I was the bad guy.
She wants to calm down and talk to me later. I won't be apologizing however, I'm only going tell them that the dinner was ruined because they couldn't afford me the same respect I gave them and actually sit down and try to understand anothers beliefs.
I thought they would be different, but the left really destroys families.
So, earlier today I had a steak dinner with my mom, dad, my sister and her boyfriend. Now, I had previously listened to them at other dinners about how Donald Trump is literally Hitler because he is scapegoating illegals, and how we all need to fight white privilege. I kept my mouth shut since I didn't want to start an argument, but tonight was different.
My dad started with talking about how Trump was an authoritarian, I politely disagreed and tried to explain as to why I thought the Democrats fit the bill even more.
Big mistake, they looked at me with total shock that I dared to have a differing political opinion. What followed was me trying to explain as to why I think the Democrats are the worst thing for america. But the kept interrupting me with, "But muh racism, muh facism, muh sexism." Everytime I refuted something they would say I was just being used.
The real kicker is my sisters boyfriend looked at me and siad, "I feel like you're just listing off a ton of points to make your point." Like, the fuck else am I supposed do?
My own mother literally called me a nazi supporter and my sister left crying. Her boyfriend kept looking at me like I was the bad guy.
She wants to calm down and talk to me later. I won't be apologizing however, I'm only going tell them that the dinner was ruined because they couldn't afford me the same respect I gave them and actually sit down and try to understand anothers beliefs.
I thought they would be different, but the left really destroys families.
You did nothing wrong. Do not apologize!
I like to think that too. I had a falling out with a couple of my siblings over my support for the President and my utter disdain for BLM the organization. They are punishing me by not talking to me. While I miss talking to them i don't miss walking on egg shells.
MAGAKAG is family too bro.
Sorry that happened to you, red-pills are tricky.
Each individual person has their own unique red-pill prescription.
It's a good sign your sister is willing to talk, take it slow and easy.
It’s tough when it comes from family. My mom literally thinks I’m all the things CNN, The View, and Rachel Madcow say I am. Oh well!! I can’t wait to vote Trump in November!!
Richard* (aka Dick) Madcow
It’s literally in the manifesto.
Sorry it hit home for you though.
Sorry to hear about this. It's funny how we are supposed to sit there and take it. But God forbid we stand up for what is right. Total meltdown by them. I hope things work out for you. Like it or not, they are your family, and family is important.
IKR, my sisters boyfriend mentioned he lost a lot of friends to right-wing ideology, I have an odd feeling the problem is him and not them.
It's because so many of them have poured everything they are into the mold of leftist ideology. That's why they can't handle opposing viewpoints. To admit they're wrong would be the end of their "identity", so they MUST "resist" at all costs.
You're with family here, Pede.
I had a permanent falling out with my relations (Can't call them family) after my father passed away.
You're better off without negative people in your life. You do what feels right to you.
Speak your mind. They are trying to destroy the country. Your family is brainwashed.
Your family is retarded. Good riddance
This is what happens when you try to reason with NPCs. I'm sorry said NPCs are your family. It's not always a permanent affliction but can very very hard to cure.
They have literal scripts programmed into them. You speak out against the party narrative and they have bullet points they have to hit you with:
Antifa and BLM are literally mirroring the rise of the Nazi Brown Shirts. They were a civilian violence mob unleashed by the Nazi party to inflict terror on the population without an official link to the party. Right wing protesters are extremely non violent in comparison to what we have seen this year from the left. It's all getting worse too. But none of the Dems will call out the violence because they support it.
Destroying history, changing definitions of words, labeling people thought criminals, book burnings, arson, beatings, extortion, maiming police, throwing bombs, laser warfare, and much more. All being done by the left, not the right!!
The book 1984 is coming to life before our eyes. A book written to inform free people about the communist's secret play book.
The Communist Chinese killed more of their own people than the Nazis ever did. The USSR killed more of it's citizens than the Nazis ever did. Collectivism allows for horrible crimes to be committed against individuals. Collectivism is the single greatest threat to this world and the human race.
Good luck OP.
They do. Good you spoke up. Don’t back down. Tell them to watch the Barr interview on Levin tonight. Low key enough to not offend them but full of truth bombs about the left they are supporting.
So many people (most people) are followers. I sincerely believe that if we can ever succeed in really changing the culture (meaning the megaphones of the culture... the media of all sorts).... people like those in your family will fall in line. This is one of the biggest reasons why culture is important... precisely because of the fact that most people are followers and also want to fit in and be socially rewarded for doing so. That's we we need to own the culture and the social expectations. I could be wrong but the people at that dinner sound to me like precisely that sort of person: the sort that believes what they believe and says what they say because they are trying to fit social expectations and be rewarded for it. It's even more evident in the boyfriend's ridiculous statement, that this is probably the case.
WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT APOLOGIZE
Some important points you might make:
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist, which was the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Donald Trump won the 2016 election in a landslide. The popular vote doesn't matter because that's not the election, and the Russians had nothing to do with it.
America is not a racist country.
White privilege is a myth.
Donald Trump did not mock a reporter's disability.
Donald Trump did not call neo-nazis "very fine people."
Joe Biden is, in fact, a racist.
If it were based on popular vote, he would have campaigned differently.
Sorry to hear that. Had similar experience with my family. They're all emotions over empirical data and logic. Hard to get through.
Good for you that you finally speak up. I feel that at some point it's not healthy to take in all the crap that they spew. You needed to pushback. I'm thinking they also needed to be challenged. They deserve your candor whether they like it or not.
I've definitely been uninvited from Christmas and Thanksgiving dinners because of the same shit.
Wait till you tell your dad his Democrats are nothing but warhawks, filling their pockets full of war money.
I go through this every time my family gathers. It sucks. I feel ya.
Kudos. Too many people are afraid of sharing with their family.
That being said, your best bet is to probably say a little as possible. Make your point and once you've made it, the less you say to defend it the more it show you believe what you are saying.
For example, if you put the question out there: "What policy has Trump enacted that is racist/fascist/sexist?" Let the question stand by itself. Let their differences resonate in their heads for a while. Like someone else said in this thread, you didn't do anything wrong and there really isn't a need to apologize or spend time defending anything very much. Just simply put the truth out there and let it speak for itself.
They support Biden after him raping women, molesting women, massive corruption, being a pedo, massive racist, worst president to run who hurt black people since Woodrow Wilson. Has dementia or a major brain injury. Election fraud to get elected. Seriously this is all true.
Your family is acting on bigotry. ": a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"
That's the definition.
Here is another:
"stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot. "
They're factually being bigots. Now they will have excuses " I only hate BLANK". " They deserve it".
All bigots and bigotry is justified. You're not wrong. They should politely discuss differences. An inability not to is further evidence of bigotry.
you're using POINTS to make a point, instead of name calling! HOW DARE YA
You were prepared for this press conference! How dare you!
Hard times when this evil has infiltrated even into the family dinner table, but that just adds to the imperative to take a firm and unrepentant stand now, before things get worse.
In the same way that you really only get to the end of a journey by starting to put one foot in front of the other, pick any of the leftist talking points and gut it. Destroy it utterly while ignoring the distraction of the others. Then move onto the others one by one, taking them all down.
Its also easy to fall into the trap of rage and scorn, personal mockery and vindictiveness and all that, but try and avoid that one at all costs - tell your family how sad and sorry you are that they have been led so astray. That they are ill and need to get better, and their situation is horrible but there is hope. And that you are there for them to try and help out.
Sorry man. Stand firm in your beliefs but show them love. Hopefully they will come around.
It's always been a key goal of theirs, to destroy families
Show them the NBC article on how Joe Biden was a segregationist. Then have them explain to you how Trump has ever done anything remotely close to that. I showed some friends at work. They were forced to admit it isn't Trump that's racist.
That sucks man. I'm fortunate - my mother, father, sister and grandparents are all proudly voting Trump!
For what it's worth I tell close ones this because they're too fucked in the ass with a sore and persistent orange man bad ass ache. (to libs only)
Don't get so caught up in your political beliefs and lose sight of the fact that NOT ONE... NOT ANY political figure is gonna invite you for dinner, pick you up from the airport, or let you borrow their lawn mower. Remember who you call when your bored, frustrated or down. Remember who you love... I'm sure it wasn't for their politics.
That usually shuts'em down quick as fuck. Go the love conquers all route. Also, that doesn't mean be a pussy. Walk into battle with a quote from Hemmingway in your head - "I love you... so I must kill you!" ( I could have bastardized that quote, haven't read that shit in a loooong time) Kill them with kindness, facts, and an unwavering belief that you are right in YOUR BELIEFS!
Admire you for keeping it together. Never get angry or frustrated, stay calm as you drop your red pills.
They'll come around. They're only behaving this way because they think their side is winning.
The left is incapable of tolerating differing opinions. Do not apologize! Stand by the truth, we all have your back here.
The other day I looked up my family tree, two dogs were using it. You're not alone, we'll MAGA together!
"Blood is thicker than water." -- common misquote
"The Blood of the covenant is thicker than the waters of the womb." -- Actual proverb
Those we are connected to by birth are important, but those we choose to connect with are more revealing of our character.
that was a shitty situation. i am sorry you had to be in it. i have some family that is on the left. it is hard for them to break their programming when it is constantly reinforced by their surroundings. it is really frustrating to see them struggle to comprehend simple things like Trump isn’t racist.
Fuck em.
Just be like, "I don't support pedophiles, and dems at best waver on that point. Trump made it clear: fast trial, death penalty.
I cant support any group that supports pedos, and thats Biden and the dems."
See if they'll defend it or deflect.
Nothing like being politically persecuted by family!
yup - similar story here. sadly been this way long before trump.
Double down brother. Get biden videos, pelosi videos, tweets from these scumbag politicians, lists of trumps accomplishments. Get as much ammo as you can before you sit back down and go over this. They’ll be unprepared and screech about Trump, who has a Jewish daughter and stepson is a nazi etc. they’ll have nothing and you’ll have all the proof you need.
“The left really destroys families.”
I’m sorry but at some point people are responsible for their own actions and beliefs. If your family can’t even look at anything other than CNN, NPR, NYT or other mainstream filth propaganda than they choose to be blind. Sucks though for sure. Every one has at least one in the fam. Stand your ground and continue to point out the hypocrisy to them every chance you get.