I refuse to use zoom, for my kids' school or for work. To the point that I've turned down important meetings because of it.. There are plenty of alternatives.
In typical MS fashion their attention span drifted to another, internal competing product. (Teams)
I had a week-long meeting at their Redmond campus a few years ago and it was obvious that Skype was a goner. All they talked about was Teams vs. Slack.
Ditto for the WIndows phone. Most of the kids there (yes, kids) all had iPhones or Android.
One of the first street level mapping programs, Streets & Trips, was amazing before MS bought them and nerfed it. MS removed tons of features and would then sell a new version every year where they would add back a little bit of what used to be standard, but never as good as the original product.
Exactly what happened. Skype sucks so hard. I swear these tech companies hire idiots who are drugged out of their minds to do the UI.
When Skype started suggesting I become friends with total random strangers and started telling me who's friends with who, I was done. It's like they were inviting predators into my living room.
They think everything is a "social network" now. Give me back simple MSN Messenger or the similar older products, where I can add who I want without the apps input.
Yes, people won’t log on because of all the problems. Also we had a high level recording to send out that got nuked and even the higher level Cisco people couldn’t recover it.
Sooooooo many bad experiences with Webex over the years...the commercials refer specifically to the shit we had deal with...can you see my screen? 10min fixing screen issue....John, John, john!!!!!!! Your breaking up.....what? John!!! 15min and a phone call to John later...
Zoom is so easy the elderly can use it
Slack would have been amazing but they killed off what became screens. If you're a programmer, check it out. It's screen-sharing plus actual control sharing. So if im pair programming- I can let my coworker take control to type something and go back and forth. And it's not laggy or anything.
That's cool, but when you're working on a code base with over a million lines of code and tons of undefined business logic- having someone to bounce questions of off and helping make decisions definitely speeds up the process. I think it has its place.
Even if you're a 10x programmer- if you spend just half an hour with the other programmers on your team, you've turned what might be a 4 hr task for them alone into an hour long task. So you've made your entire team way more productive than it could have been than if you just kept your head down and focused on your own work. When I'm hiring someone- if you're a genius but you don't work with anyone else, I'm gonna hire the guy that isn't quite as smart as you, but brings the entire team's productivity up.
I refuse to use zoom, for my kids' school or for work. To the point that I've turned down important meetings because of it.. There are plenty of alternatives.
I'm not sure how zoom exploded into popularity.
Isn’t amazing how Chyna’s Zoom was timed perfectly to coincide with this pandemic?
I think zoom exploded because MS totally fucked up their management of Skype and the market was desperate for SOMETHING.
In typical MS fashion their attention span drifted to another, internal competing product. (Teams)
I had a week-long meeting at their Redmond campus a few years ago and it was obvious that Skype was a goner. All they talked about was Teams vs. Slack.
Ditto for the WIndows phone. Most of the kids there (yes, kids) all had iPhones or Android.
I’m a teacher in a very affluent area. It’s not uncommon to see kids with smartphones by the time they reach 10 years old.
Teams sucks tho
Microsoft always spikes the products they buy.
One of the first street level mapping programs, Streets & Trips, was amazing before MS bought them and nerfed it. MS removed tons of features and would then sell a new version every year where they would add back a little bit of what used to be standard, but never as good as the original product.
Exactly what happened. Skype sucks so hard. I swear these tech companies hire idiots who are drugged out of their minds to do the UI.
When Skype started suggesting I become friends with total random strangers and started telling me who's friends with who, I was done. It's like they were inviting predators into my living room.
They think everything is a "social network" now. Give me back simple MSN Messenger or the similar older products, where I can add who I want without the apps input.
Exactly! Suggesting who to video chat with is beyond disturbing.
True. Zoom offered simplicity and reliability over all other products, plus thumbnails of all participants in a single screen view.
Yes, people won’t log on because of all the problems. Also we had a high level recording to send out that got nuked and even the higher level Cisco people couldn’t recover it.
Sooooooo many bad experiences with Webex over the years...the commercials refer specifically to the shit we had deal with...can you see my screen? 10min fixing screen issue....John, John, john!!!!!!! Your breaking up.....what? John!!! 15min and a phone call to John later... Zoom is so easy the elderly can use it
Slack is excellent. Not sure why everyone jumped to Zoom, it had/has security issues as well.
Slack would have been amazing but they killed off what became screens. If you're a programmer, check it out. It's screen-sharing plus actual control sharing. So if im pair programming- I can let my coworker take control to type something and go back and forth. And it's not laggy or anything.
Pair programming is teh lame. I do not buy into it and like to work alone.
That's cool, but when you're working on a code base with over a million lines of code and tons of undefined business logic- having someone to bounce questions of off and helping make decisions definitely speeds up the process. I think it has its place.
Even if you're a 10x programmer- if you spend just half an hour with the other programmers on your team, you've turned what might be a 4 hr task for them alone into an hour long task. So you've made your entire team way more productive than it could have been than if you just kept your head down and focused on your own work. When I'm hiring someone- if you're a genius but you don't work with anyone else, I'm gonna hire the guy that isn't quite as smart as you, but brings the entire team's productivity up.