Democracy is fine. The part where shit started going bad is when we found ways to legalize bribes, allow paid lobbying, and ultimately pass laws that favor the unique interest of certain industries
If democracy is fine why did they create the bill of rights (which scotus ignore)? The problem with democracy is you only need 51% to outlaw what 49% want. Thats the only reason the US still have guns. 51%+ want them. In Australia 70% were happy for them to go so we lost that right. So then the only way to maintain a functioning democracy is through ensuring those that vote maintain values. Once democracies dilute values they begin to fail see Rome. The truth is once you let everyone vote or non citizens they vote for a welfare state and then its all downhill from there.
The truth is once you let everyone vote or non citizens they vote for a welfare state and then its all downhill from there.
It's weird you mention that because the US didn't used to let everyone vote. It's almost like the founding fathers actually understood that only people that have a stake in the country should have a voice in how it should be run. That limit was chipped away at and then totally removed a century ago and look where we've ended up.
Democracy with limits is fine, and the founding fathers knew that. You had to actually work hard and earn your vote by owning land. Universal Suffrage was the largest mistake this country ever made.
The truth is once you let everyone vote or non citizens they vote for a welfare state and then its all downhill from there.
My wife wants the 19th repealed. I now agree with her.
You take any public assistance, farm, corporate, personal, anything - you should not be able to vote for 10 years from last date of use.
Only tax payers should be allowed to vote. Except for government civilian workers. They should not. (I'm an early retired fed.)
I want to do a slight push back. It was fine up until Woman's Suffrage movement and even then pre-Great Society everything was ok. The real downfall was when we allowed education to be ran by Government. That'd be around 1925, as education standards started to lower, the voting patterns started to lean towards more government. Its a safe reason that a population that does not keep its education system in line will eventually fall as it will become a tool for propaganda.
Even if we were to move everything back to Men of the age of 25 that own property, we'd still see a rapid rebound of giving these 'wrongs' back because of the education system. If anything it'd make it worse because a educated populace will eventually revolt. You would have to make education a direct correlation to property ownership. (families that own property will only be allowed to get education).
The quickest remedy is the implosion of the Government Ran/backed educational system. Divest it back to locality, that means to the municipalities themselves. Colleges would no longer have access to government backed student loans and finally removal of Unionization from schools themselves. A well educated society that is not brainwashed is the ultimate bulwark against socialism. I've posted it a lot but the greatest weakness of the Republican party is not trying to connect to the youth. Its maintaining and securing schools as a pro-American institution that teaches the failures of monarchy, totalitarianism and communism. That promotes freedom, unity through American Culture, individualism, honesty and virtue of hard work.
Haha. Tried suggesting this one on Reddit. Did not go over well.
But really, net contributors should have more say in basically any kind of organization.
One way to ease this in could be to retain voting rights for everyone, but add an additional voting credit to people who are net contributors to the system. Might be easier to start on the state level rather than federal.
If you receive more benefits than you pay in taxes, you are owned, therefore your vote is being bought. You think you're just "voting in your interests" but your interests align with what your masters tell you and you'll line up to take what they give you.
If you are a net taxpayer, citizen, have voter ID, and a non-felon, you have the right to vote.
Never happen. Those on the receiving end of the money outnumber those on the paying end. And sadly the situation suits the modern aristocracy, so the Uber rich will be no help. It's those of us in the middle getting fucked, and the only way to fix it involves a whole lot of liberty roots being watered, sadly.
This is why we are a republic. That said, I do not think those advocating for dictatorship have thought things through. In fact I think it is further evidence of a failed educational system.
The US is actually a constitutional republic but with democratic ideals (in the democracy sense of the word). Certain aspects of the country really on a 51% majority rule vote, but that’s usually at a local or state level. At a federal level (like absolute changes to the constitution) you need a fairly large majority to get things rolling. If you recall from the impeachment trial earlier this year, it only required a majority to “impeach” trump In the House, but to actually convict would have required a 2/3 majority in the Senate.
That is, in fact, exactly the reason why. The Founders foresaw basically all of this because they studied history. They even had commie-like movements to deal with, though they called them "levellers."
Or over tax corporations. And still repeal the 17th.
Corporations used to require an act of Congress to be formed. For a reason. Anything too large to be owned by one person/family would by definition be too large to be accountable. If you or I sold "tickle my clit" Troll dolls to kids, our asses would be getting pounded as we speak. But Hasbro? They'll just have a quiet recall.
How about just be a law-abiding citizen without any criminal convictions? Because that whole land-ownership thing never really worked out as well as people wanted it too in many cases.
Our Republican form of government and the confederation of states was not a mistake. The democratic process within was crafted by our founders. It is the system of the East that Black Lives matters endorses. It is the system of the East that is a threat to Republican governance, and the end of democratic processes.
I agree. Kept wondering why nobody instantly reminded this gentleman that we do not, in fact, live in a democracy. The U.S.A. is a constitutional republic. BIG difference.
This is a quote by Benjamin Franklin. He said of our Constitution that, though it was imperfect, it was as near perfection as could probably ever be attained by mortal man. We have been fighting SO LONG to win back our Constitution, and now, when the tide is finally turning, you people want a Caesar?
I hear you, pede, but hang on a little. Let's see what happens in November. Then, let's think VERY carefully about what comes next. How about, like, actual states' rights, like the 9th and 10th amendments are supposed to protect? Under a dictator there are no rights. By the way, what we have is essentially a constitutional monarchy, which is not actually Constitutional. If people just PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION instead of finding six ways from Sunday to make excuses why they should ignore abuses of it or throw it out altogether, it works--not perfectly, of course not, it was fashioned by mortal men, but it works pretty well. Don't attack the Constitution, attack the EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM that is attacking the Constitution! That's how all this started, infiltration of academia! Fight!
The problem is, eventually, like Rome, you'll get somebody who won't give up his powers and the legislature will be too weak, corrupt, or inept to force him to step down. Given how bad they are already, I give it about four years.
I think we all should wait until November to see what to do next. There is a lot of propaganda trying to make it seem like the sky is falling and frankly I don't think it is. I think the future is solidly in the hands of conservatives and we should think now about exactly what direction to go from here, and not make rash and destructive choices now as a reaction to the D party's dying thrashes. To be clear, I'm not advocating complacency--we need to bust our asses in November to get Trump reelected--but I advocate discretion and respect for the wisdom of the Founders, who absolutely thought of all this stuff. Anybody trying to tell you "the Founding Fathers never anticipated x" is usually uninformed. They really thought of just about everything. Remember, they lived under a monarch! They were intimately familiar with Roman history also. Rome was a constant companion in debates over Constitutional law. They debated everything we're talking about here. We should all go learn from them before we start ripping up what they wrote. We're not Democrats, are we?
Technically our form of government was suitable for anyone, good, bad, indifferent, or militant lesbian. The problem arises when we let the cocksuckers slide for so long, eroding long-standing principles an inch at a time. We had to know it was over when a state decided killing already born babies was legal, and the capital wasn't burned down that night.
I get what you're saying, but we really need to look further ahead than the next five or ten years. This is critical. We are rapidly losing hold of our national identity because people are seeking alternative systems (see: marxism) rather than bothering to understand the one we were founded on.
Republics have 2 century lifespans. We don't need an emperor, we need a reset button. Don't make your reply to leftists trying to destroy everything this country was built on to destroy it another way. It'll kust play right back into their hands in a couple generations because power will have been totally consolidated.
No one will accept the count either way. 2016 was America's last election. Good thing too, democracy was a mistake.
Democracy is fine. The part where shit started going bad is when we found ways to legalize bribes, allow paid lobbying, and ultimately pass laws that favor the unique interest of certain industries
If democracy is fine why did they create the bill of rights (which scotus ignore)? The problem with democracy is you only need 51% to outlaw what 49% want. Thats the only reason the US still have guns. 51%+ want them. In Australia 70% were happy for them to go so we lost that right. So then the only way to maintain a functioning democracy is through ensuring those that vote maintain values. Once democracies dilute values they begin to fail see Rome. The truth is once you let everyone vote or non citizens they vote for a welfare state and then its all downhill from there.
It's weird you mention that because the US didn't used to let everyone vote. It's almost like the founding fathers actually understood that only people that have a stake in the country should have a voice in how it should be run. That limit was chipped away at and then totally removed a century ago and look where we've ended up.
Democracy with limits is fine, and the founding fathers knew that. You had to actually work hard and earn your vote by owning land. Universal Suffrage was the largest mistake this country ever made.
My wife wants the 19th repealed. I now agree with her. You take any public assistance, farm, corporate, personal, anything - you should not be able to vote for 10 years from last date of use.
Only tax payers should be allowed to vote. Except for government civilian workers. They should not. (I'm an early retired fed.)
End Women's Suffrage! Last goddamn funny thing that cuck Kimmel did.
I want to do a slight push back. It was fine up until Woman's Suffrage movement and even then pre-Great Society everything was ok. The real downfall was when we allowed education to be ran by Government. That'd be around 1925, as education standards started to lower, the voting patterns started to lean towards more government. Its a safe reason that a population that does not keep its education system in line will eventually fall as it will become a tool for propaganda.
Even if we were to move everything back to Men of the age of 25 that own property, we'd still see a rapid rebound of giving these 'wrongs' back because of the education system. If anything it'd make it worse because a educated populace will eventually revolt. You would have to make education a direct correlation to property ownership. (families that own property will only be allowed to get education).
The quickest remedy is the implosion of the Government Ran/backed educational system. Divest it back to locality, that means to the municipalities themselves. Colleges would no longer have access to government backed student loans and finally removal of Unionization from schools themselves. A well educated society that is not brainwashed is the ultimate bulwark against socialism. I've posted it a lot but the greatest weakness of the Republican party is not trying to connect to the youth. Its maintaining and securing schools as a pro-American institution that teaches the failures of monarchy, totalitarianism and communism. That promotes freedom, unity through American Culture, individualism, honesty and virtue of hard work.
Yeah. Cause Rome failed the same way. They let more non citizens become Roman and they started demanding free grain.
you'd probably see an improvement if only net taxpayers could vote (taxes paid - any welfare received); maybe set a minimum tax paying threshold
Haha. Tried suggesting this one on Reddit. Did not go over well.
But really, net contributors should have more say in basically any kind of organization.
One way to ease this in could be to retain voting rights for everyone, but add an additional voting credit to people who are net contributors to the system. Might be easier to start on the state level rather than federal.
This would solve most of the problems.
If you receive more benefits than you pay in taxes, you are owned, therefore your vote is being bought. You think you're just "voting in your interests" but your interests align with what your masters tell you and you'll line up to take what they give you.
If you are a net taxpayer, citizen, have voter ID, and a non-felon, you have the right to vote.
I second this HARD. We shouldn't get rid of democracy but we need to put it back in balance, as the Founders intended.
Never happen. Those on the receiving end of the money outnumber those on the paying end. And sadly the situation suits the modern aristocracy, so the Uber rich will be no help. It's those of us in the middle getting fucked, and the only way to fix it involves a whole lot of liberty roots being watered, sadly.
This is why we are a republic. That said, I do not think those advocating for dictatorship have thought things through. In fact I think it is further evidence of a failed educational system.
The US is actually a constitutional republic but with democratic ideals (in the democracy sense of the word). Certain aspects of the country really on a 51% majority rule vote, but that’s usually at a local or state level. At a federal level (like absolute changes to the constitution) you need a fairly large majority to get things rolling. If you recall from the impeachment trial earlier this year, it only required a majority to “impeach” trump In the House, but to actually convict would have required a 2/3 majority in the Senate.
That is, in fact, exactly the reason why. The Founders foresaw basically all of this because they studied history. They even had commie-like movements to deal with, though they called them "levellers."
Stop taxing corporations and repeal the 17th.
Or over tax corporations. And still repeal the 17th.
Corporations used to require an act of Congress to be formed. For a reason. Anything too large to be owned by one person/family would by definition be too large to be accountable. If you or I sold "tickle my clit" Troll dolls to kids, our asses would be getting pounded as we speak. But Hasbro? They'll just have a quiet recall.
This times one thousand
Democracy is fine if you have to be a land owning tax paying male to be able to vote.
How about just be a law-abiding citizen without any criminal convictions? Because that whole land-ownership thing never really worked out as well as people wanted it too in many cases.
That doesn’t work. Have to at least add “that pay taxes”. Otherwise more people climb in the wheelbarrow and less are willing to push it.
Our Republican form of government and the confederation of states was not a mistake. The democratic process within was crafted by our founders. It is the system of the East that Black Lives matters endorses. It is the system of the East that is a threat to Republican governance, and the end of democratic processes.
Fuck the East.
I agree. Kept wondering why nobody instantly reminded this gentleman that we do not, in fact, live in a democracy. The U.S.A. is a constitutional republic. BIG difference.
They don't believe in the Republic.
"Democracy is like two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner"
This is a quote by Benjamin Franklin. He said of our Constitution that, though it was imperfect, it was as near perfection as could probably ever be attained by mortal man. We have been fighting SO LONG to win back our Constitution, and now, when the tide is finally turning, you people want a Caesar?
No - don't want a Caesar. But we have gone over the constitutional cliff. We have gone over the demographic cliff.
Trump will be re-elected but barring a seismic cultural change that will be our last national election.
Four more years of reprieve and then comes war.
I hear you, pede, but hang on a little. Let's see what happens in November. Then, let's think VERY carefully about what comes next. How about, like, actual states' rights, like the 9th and 10th amendments are supposed to protect? Under a dictator there are no rights. By the way, what we have is essentially a constitutional monarchy, which is not actually Constitutional. If people just PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION instead of finding six ways from Sunday to make excuses why they should ignore abuses of it or throw it out altogether, it works--not perfectly, of course not, it was fashioned by mortal men, but it works pretty well. Don't attack the Constitution, attack the EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM that is attacking the Constitution! That's how all this started, infiltration of academia! Fight!
The problem is, eventually, like Rome, you'll get somebody who won't give up his powers and the legislature will be too weak, corrupt, or inept to force him to step down. Given how bad they are already, I give it about four years.
I think we all should wait until November to see what to do next. There is a lot of propaganda trying to make it seem like the sky is falling and frankly I don't think it is. I think the future is solidly in the hands of conservatives and we should think now about exactly what direction to go from here, and not make rash and destructive choices now as a reaction to the D party's dying thrashes. To be clear, I'm not advocating complacency--we need to bust our asses in November to get Trump reelected--but I advocate discretion and respect for the wisdom of the Founders, who absolutely thought of all this stuff. Anybody trying to tell you "the Founding Fathers never anticipated x" is usually uninformed. They really thought of just about everything. Remember, they lived under a monarch! They were intimately familiar with Roman history also. Rome was a constant companion in debates over Constitutional law. They debated everything we're talking about here. We should all go learn from them before we start ripping up what they wrote. We're not Democrats, are we?
Ironically, the best option for a wolf in this case would be to form an alliance with the sheep to eat the other wolf.
This way, the traitor wolf would have a meal and eliminate future competition. It could also then eat the sheep anyway at any future date.
After seeing what a peice of shit our Congress is, we don't need the cocksuckers. I'm down to make trump the supreme emperor.
Our form of government was only adequate for a moral and religious people. Those days are over.
No legislature can stop the left. Authoritarianism must be responded to in kind.
Then you'll end up with an authoritarian government fit for an immoral people. You will never be free again.
Technically our form of government was suitable for anyone, good, bad, indifferent, or militant lesbian. The problem arises when we let the cocksuckers slide for so long, eroding long-standing principles an inch at a time. We had to know it was over when a state decided killing already born babies was legal, and the capital wasn't burned down that night.
Shit, what else do they need to do?
the only problem with that is when you get a bad emperor lol
I agree but also feel that Dictator Trump is the only way to save the country right now
benign dictatorship who's values you agree with does seem like the ideal. but its hard to keep it that way, hah
I get what you're saying, but we really need to look further ahead than the next five or ten years. This is critical. We are rapidly losing hold of our national identity because people are seeking alternative systems (see: marxism) rather than bothering to understand the one we were founded on.
Interesting! But what if Biden became emperor, LOL
Republics have 2 century lifespans. We don't need an emperor, we need a reset button. Don't make your reply to leftists trying to destroy everything this country was built on to destroy it another way. It'll kust play right back into their hands in a couple generations because power will have been totally consolidated.
I would say the problem is:
1.) Unaccountable bureaucrats (FBI, CIA) 2.) Corruption in Congress 3.) Politicized Supreme Court