look up pics of him some time on image search. He looks SUPER trustworthy, important, professional and smart. Some men go out and get that bread, Baden goes out and gets the whole grocery store
I tried to convince a liberal of this and their response was "Yeah he died of a heart attack, but he only had the heart attack because of his encounter with law enforcement. Putting a knee on his neck, even if there wasn't any bruising, could still cause a heart attack so therefore whether or not he died from an OD is unknowable." Then he said I was uncompromising because of this "revelation" when I told him that was a load of shit and a defense mechanism where he can't admit he was lied to. He also said that my argument was inline with what white supremacists might use to brush aside systemic racism.
It was extremely demoralizing that one of my best friends was that stupid and willing to call me a white supremacist just to defend his own fragile ego and tapestry of lies that compose his world view. I still can't believe it, frankly. The media has destroyed the minds of our countrymen to the point of no return.
A lot of things are possible. It's, also, possible that Floyd could have had that heart attack while driving, on serious drugs, and killed many other people. I don't know why not one of them comments on how this guy was driving with an entire pharmacy running through his veins.
Doesn't take too much muscle to light a house on fire in the middle of the night. These people are absolutely convinced that their actions are just, and any tactic, no matter how vile, is allowed.
He has no pulse and they immediately do CPR and put him on a machine that does it along with an AED. At 48:00 he walks off with the machine still running. At 51:45 he returns and the machine is off and they're all sitting. Was he revived there temporarily and then later died?
I'm on brave and not signed into Youtube or my Gmail account, they would not allow me to see this video, but we can have transmen show their balls to preschoolers in Texas.
Well, it isn't quite that clear. In this case, it means before the official time of death was recorded. And the reason it matters is that blood levels of fentanyl often increase after death. So, people argue that he was dead on the pavement at 8:30 (ish) and that the fentanyl levels in the tox report are inaccurate - essentially that he didn't die of a self-inflicted overdose.
But the medical literature involves comparisons of blood drawn perimortem (at the time of death) with blood drawn postmortem (typically several days later). I haven't seen anything to suggest that PMR (post-mortem redistribution) of opiods can happen so fast that testing of blood drawn while the doctors are still actively attempting a rescue would be seriously misleading.
So, bottom line, words like antemortem, perimortem and postmortem are not sharply defined objective facts. For that matter, neither is "time of death" - George died somewhere 8:25 and 9:25, was it when his heart stopped beating by itself? Was it when the doctors gave up? Was it some instant in between? Or was it the whole interval?
Basically, if you use it medically, a patch releases it slowly into your blood over the course of about 24 hours, and it reaches something like an equilibrium and stays there.
But, if you take it recreationally, you get a big pulse. The first organs to see it will take in a lot of it. As is spreads through the body, the blood concentration reduces, and the organs that took up that big pulse give some back. This is a pretty passive process, so it continues even after you die.
What the ME should have done (and maybe did do) is draw blood from several different points in his body, along with tissue samples from several organs, then send them all off for testing. All of that data together could be used to basically reconstruct the fatal dose.
What is wrong with the media in our country? I was under the direct impression that the cop kneeled on his neck and he died of asphyxiation. I feel so lied to.
Why does Trump not tweet about this new George Floyd developments .I understand he wants the Black vote but people would pay attention to some uncomfortable facts if Trump tweets them.
I don’t like presidents commenting on police shootings because lots of facts are withheld.i felt Trump pandered a bit to Ahmed Arbery family and George Floyd family.I know their sons life passed but I would prefer a simple sorry or condolences over them personally visiting the White House.
Asphyxiation is something that kills you while you can’t breathe (like having a knee on your neck) not an hour later. Now you can argue that the asphyxiation caused whatever killed Floyd, but that makes that the cause of death, not asphyxiation. This shows the second coroners report is wrong because it states the cause of death as asphyxiation which is impossible (related to the knee) seeing as that was an hour earlier.
I think it's inconceivable that being pinned to the ground for 10 minutes with someone's knee on your neck is unrelated to you dieing 30 minutes later.
But then again what do I know? I'm not a pathologist. However, I just found this article written by a forensic pathologist.
TLDR: It criticises any 2nd autopsy as being innacurate compared to a 1st autopsy. States that the person doing the 2nd autopsy isn't 'independent' but an expert retained by the family. But also explains that the 1st autopsy found that the death was a homicide, caused by the arrest and while George Floyd's health and drug abuse were contributing factors they were not the cause.
Lots of people have medical conditions and substance abuse problems which is exactly the reason that it's so irresponsible to pin someone face down to the ground with pressure on their neck for 10 minutes.
People don't die of asphyxiation hours after the event, after having a breathing tube inserted.
Floyd died of an overdose. There were no fatal wounds. He wasn't even bruised on the neck.
https://www.scribd.com/document/464472105/Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd#from_embed
Right. The report of the second autopsy is worthless. Asphyxiation was diagnosed because they saw the video clip of the knee on his neck.
The second autopsy was conducted by Micheal Baden.
Micheal Baden also did the Epstein autopsy, JFK's autopsy, MLK Jr's autopsy and testified at the OJ Simpson trial so you know you can trust him.
I suppose you might be sarcastic, but Baden also did a second autopsy on Michael Brown and helped continue the ‘hands up don’t shot’ lie.
Michael Baden is paid well to give "important" autopsies. He gets the results his clients want!
It's a great gig if you can get it
look up pics of him some time on image search. He looks SUPER trustworthy, important, professional and smart. Some men go out and get that bread, Baden goes out and gets the whole grocery store
I wonder if he's part of some sort of subversive tribe.
I tried to convince a liberal of this and their response was "Yeah he died of a heart attack, but he only had the heart attack because of his encounter with law enforcement. Putting a knee on his neck, even if there wasn't any bruising, could still cause a heart attack so therefore whether or not he died from an OD is unknowable." Then he said I was uncompromising because of this "revelation" when I told him that was a load of shit and a defense mechanism where he can't admit he was lied to. He also said that my argument was inline with what white supremacists might use to brush aside systemic racism.
It was extremely demoralizing that one of my best friends was that stupid and willing to call me a white supremacist just to defend his own fragile ego and tapestry of lies that compose his world view. I still can't believe it, frankly. The media has destroyed the minds of our countrymen to the point of no return.
I had better luck
https://thedonald.win/p/Gc7e94op/softly-softly-red-pill-monkey/c/
I hear ya. Hang tough bro
Tell him that Stacy isn't going to fuck him when he makes up a bunch of BS to defend a dead thug.
A lot of things are possible. It's, also, possible that Floyd could have had that heart attack while driving, on serious drugs, and killed many other people. I don't know why not one of them comments on how this guy was driving with an entire pharmacy running through his veins.
Autopsy doesn't include liver toxicology, which is almost always done in cases involving overdose. They didn't want to pursue that avenue.
Is it possible that he hadn't been pronounced yet?
Dude got a Chinese Speedball. Heroin metabolizes into morphine in the body, plus the meth an you die like Chris Farley
He’s not that kinda guy
Sharia law
Good point.
Damn that was perfect
lol, laws. Keith Ellison is the law.
They did CPR in the ambulance.
The full bodycam video was just released: https://youtu.be/bYJTF-bb1jc
antemortem = before death
Thank you. That should have been in the title.
By mob do you mean a bunch of scrawny faggots and fat dykes?
Doesn't take too much muscle to light a house on fire in the middle of the night. These people are absolutely convinced that their actions are just, and any tactic, no matter how vile, is allowed.
Nah, Joggers who played basketball and did drugs instead of going to school
BLM
Bolshevik Lynch Mob
Lol like the city has any money. CNN will just cover it up.
Well now that sure as shit aint going to be told to anyone on the MSM.
What time did the incident happen? Was definitely light out in the video.
It was around 8 PM.
u/ThisTrainHasNoBrakes (EDIT:I don't know how to tag people here, oh well)
I checked the bodycam video, and Chauvin first puts his knee on his neck at about 8:20pm.
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Thank you! So he "suffocated" 90 minutes later. Yeah, okay.
hat far north it doesn't get dark until around 10 (22:00) on the longest days
Big PP if true.
Here is a link to the county autopsy. It's on page 2 section VI under toxicology. It's real.
https://www.scribd.com/document/464472105/Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd#from_embed
Could be an error made by a careless lab technician. Still very interesting. Hope something develops from this tidbit.
And once he was on the ground he said "Please let me stand up".
I suspect George had been working on his particular "resisting arrest without getting charged with resisting arrest" schtick for many years.
Just curious how they word this.
https://youtu.be/bYJTF-bb1jc?t=2408
He has no pulse and they immediately do CPR and put him on a machine that does it along with an AED. At 48:00 he walks off with the machine still running. At 51:45 he returns and the machine is off and they're all sitting. Was he revived there temporarily and then later died?
I'm on brave and not signed into Youtube or my Gmail account, they would not allow me to see this video, but we can have transmen show their balls to preschoolers in Texas.
Type "nsfw" in front of the "youtube" part of the address in the link and it will take you to an alternative site to watch without signing in.
(Ie. turn "www.youtube.com/videoyouwanttowatch" into "www.nsfwyoutube.com/videoyouwanttowatch")
I use youtube-dl for situations like this
Well that just f's up the whole BLM narrative. Glad to know they burned and looted my home neighborhood for no reason at all! <angry noises>
Just wait until the cops get off, sue the shit out of everyone and win.
Then we'll have muh 2nd wave of "peaceful protests" no justice bullshit, it's coming.
spicy deets indeed
That's a lot of fentanyl, even for an addict.
You could tell the Left that he sat up, took a smoke, laid back down and died and they would still blame the knee.
For the record for anyone wondering, Chauvin's knee on neck hold started at about 8:20pm.
This needs to be stickied.
George Floyd was not murdered
Can someone explain to me how this proves he was alive at the time of testing? It just says they took his blood right?
Ante-mortem means before death. So he was still alive when they got to the hospital.
Well, it isn't quite that clear. In this case, it means before the official time of death was recorded. And the reason it matters is that blood levels of fentanyl often increase after death. So, people argue that he was dead on the pavement at 8:30 (ish) and that the fentanyl levels in the tox report are inaccurate - essentially that he didn't die of a self-inflicted overdose.
But the medical literature involves comparisons of blood drawn perimortem (at the time of death) with blood drawn postmortem (typically several days later). I haven't seen anything to suggest that PMR (post-mortem redistribution) of opiods can happen so fast that testing of blood drawn while the doctors are still actively attempting a rescue would be seriously misleading.
So, bottom line, words like antemortem, perimortem and postmortem are not sharply defined objective facts. For that matter, neither is "time of death" - George died somewhere 8:25 and 9:25, was it when his heart stopped beating by itself? Was it when the doctors gave up? Was it some instant in between? Or was it the whole interval?
How does fentanyl concentration go up after death? Doesn't it break down into metabolites like norfentanyl (which shows up in his tox report)
It diffuses out of organs.
Basically, if you use it medically, a patch releases it slowly into your blood over the course of about 24 hours, and it reaches something like an equilibrium and stays there.
But, if you take it recreationally, you get a big pulse. The first organs to see it will take in a lot of it. As is spreads through the body, the blood concentration reduces, and the organs that took up that big pulse give some back. This is a pretty passive process, so it continues even after you die.
What the ME should have done (and maybe did do) is draw blood from several different points in his body, along with tissue samples from several organs, then send them all off for testing. All of that data together could be used to basically reconstruct the fatal dose.
Ohh, thank you!
Correction: George Floyd died by overdosing before police arrived.
The media has been lying about EVERYTHING!
What is wrong with the media in our country? I was under the direct impression that the cop kneeled on his neck and he died of asphyxiation. I feel so lied to.
They need to run the video and state his toxicology.
Body cam showed them doing CPR in the ambalance though, seemingly to no avail.
So wait, if he was alive and breathing, and basically unharmed, why was he sent to the hospital? For detox?
Why does Trump not tweet about this new George Floyd developments .I understand he wants the Black vote but people would pay attention to some uncomfortable facts if Trump tweets them.
I don’t like presidents commenting on police shootings because lots of facts are withheld.i felt Trump pandered a bit to Ahmed Arbery family and George Floyd family.I know their sons life passed but I would prefer a simple sorry or condolences over them personally visiting the White House.
Can anyone explain the relevance of this?
If I shoot you in the head and you die 30 minutes later in hospital..... am I innocent???
Asphyxiation is something that kills you while you can’t breathe (like having a knee on your neck) not an hour later. Now you can argue that the asphyxiation caused whatever killed Floyd, but that makes that the cause of death, not asphyxiation. This shows the second coroners report is wrong because it states the cause of death as asphyxiation which is impossible (related to the knee) seeing as that was an hour earlier.
I think it's inconceivable that being pinned to the ground for 10 minutes with someone's knee on your neck is unrelated to you dieing 30 minutes later.
But then again what do I know? I'm not a pathologist. However, I just found this article written by a forensic pathologist.
TLDR: It criticises any 2nd autopsy as being innacurate compared to a 1st autopsy. States that the person doing the 2nd autopsy isn't 'independent' but an expert retained by the family. But also explains that the 1st autopsy found that the death was a homicide, caused by the arrest and while George Floyd's health and drug abuse were contributing factors they were not the cause.
No, but if you shoot up a metric shit ton of Fentanyl and die of an overdose inflicted heart attack Chauvin is.
Lots of people have medical conditions and substance abuse problems which is exactly the reason that it's so irresponsible to pin someone face down to the ground with pressure on their neck for 10 minutes.