Those smelly hippies with all the mud and no soap or napkins grew up and took over the schools and courts and are still trying to have their garbage revolution.
It was supposed to last a few days, but instead lasted an entire week. That’s not cool. That isn’t “peaceful” or “cool”. It was illegal occupation of private property. Not to mention the rampant drug abuse and sexual assaults that were occurring. “Hippies” were not cool. They are just a continuation of the same enemy we have been fighting for over 100 years.
That's a one-dimensional interpretation of a complicated musical gesture. I hear a highly ambivalent mixture of emotions--anger and grief, yes, but Hendrix served in 26th Airborne, and though he was a fuck-up, he was not dishonorably discharged, as many believe, but discharged on the grounds of "unsuitability — under honorable conditions" (in 1962). He never lost a certain affection for the military, if only for his fellow soldiers, many of whom would go on to die in a war I and eventually more than 1/2 of Americans disapproved of--to say the least. I hear anguish at an America gone wrong with a misguided policy that killed almost 60,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese--and accomplished less than nothing.
(SOME HELPFUL BACKGROUND: I love my country, and I say fuck you to anyone who says I don't just because I believe we made a tragic mistake getting involved in a civil war in a minor third-world country based on a policy-wonk theory. Did the dominoes fall, did the Chinese take over Vietnam? No, war broke out between the two countries in 1979, and the war involved three Communist nations (add Cambodia). Our leaders fought the war in total ignorance of the historical geopolitics of the region--a history of constant rivalries between and among China and the small nations of Indochina. These rivalries long predated the Vietnam War, played a part in it, and also figured in the intra-Communist war that followed. McNamara was a shallow technocrat who coldly used the draft to send thousands of hapless 18-year-olds to their deaths in what he KNEW was an unwinnable war (so did Johnson).
Tens of thousands of Vets came home maimed and traumatized and stuck with sub-par VA medical care; spat on by fellow Americans for fighting for America, many of them because they were forced to; ending up homeless on the streets in droves (maybe some of them are out there to this day); and some of them so embittered that they joined the anti-war movement. McNamara was a soulless bastard who deserved to be pushed into the river by an enraged Vet. Compared with Johnson and this spreadsheet bureaucrat, Bush and Cheney's reckless interventionism in the Middle East looks pretty mild. To anyone who accuses me of America-bashing, I say America's greatness consists partly in its sense of fair play and its willingness to recognize and correct its shortcomings--e.g., the Civil War and "a new birth of freedom." (Sadly, going from Vietnam quagmire to Middle East sand-trap doesn't suggest any lessons were learned.)
Hendrix was beyond dispute a genius who was a fucked-up individual and anything but a role model in his personal life, yes; but his musical theme (besides drugs and sex and extra-terrestrials) was Love. He was a typical Hippie in that sense. "Peace and Love" are facile sentimental slogans, certainly, but as far as you can get from today's Leftist hate-mongering.
Most Hippies were self-indulgent, drugged-out, affluent pseudo-anarchists, but only a few poisonous individuals like Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground advocated and practiced violence. Sadly, that's what the Hippie movement evolved into--today's Alinsky-ized Far Left Chicago-style machine politicians destroying every city they control, cynical exploitation of racial grievance, blatant anti-Americanism, crypto-Communism culminating in a traitor named Obama.
Hendrix was no fan of Communism, and in his last years the Black Panthers were already criticizing him for not being (as we now say) "woke" and on board with anti-white identity politics. Unlike them and their modern-day descendants, he was not a hater.
With all this in mind, that Anthem performance makes a lot of sense in its surreal way. I'll quote this Quora comment: "Hendrix evoked the majesty of America while also summoning the howling undercurrents of dissonance and violence echoing the Vietnam war and the nation's racial struggles.” At the right historical moment at a now-historic event Hendrix turned in a performance that was also a dramatic piece of performance art, iconoclastic and yet, to this day, an icon standing for that entire period, creative and destructive, peace-and-love on the one hand, massively violent on the other. But in retrospect, tragic at the time and tragic in its consequences.
One hallmark of the Left is being offended by complexity. Ideology-driven people are allergic to truth, and the truth is rarely simple. That goes for Hendrix, his version of the Anthem and his attitude to America. If anyone's offended by the fact that I don't see this issue in "black and white," I don't give a fuck. I'm voting for the same man you are.
One glaring difference to me is that back then there was an and game. End the war and bring the troops home and there is not further need to protest the war. Since Occupy WS there had been no goal. Nothing you can do will end these riots. The insanity that has gripped the minds of young folks is just an endless churn of disjointed thinking that has no real goals. Systemic racism is fake and therefore you can never end it.
Alvin Lee ...I saw him play years after Woodstock when the group was named Ten Years Later (they were Ten Years After for a bit too). A power trio. I saw them play at a venue indoors ...a huge old movie theater that had been a regular theater at one time. Stacks of Marshall amps across the back of the stage. They had to halt the show temporarily when during a bass solo (that was de rigeure back then, every player took his ten minute solo) plaster started falling from the ceiling ...hehehe. But as things were, after a few custodial flashlights performed a perfunctory examination of the ceiling, the show went on. I was just a kid at the time, couldn't even drive yet. But that's how things were, no helmets, no seatbelts, you could even make it across a parking lot on a summer's day without bottled water, and a little thing like the possible collapse of a roof was not going to deter a promoter or the band. Glory days. I'm Going Home... to See my Baby, I'd lLove to Change the World, etc.
Hell, back in the day tiles full of asbestos falling on your head in your 2nd grade classroom didn't mean shit. If nobody got hit, you laughed. If someone got hit they headed to the nurse's office. Lucky ducks.
Hi there, -1. Obviously there WERE too many words, because you ran out of attention span and forgot (assuming you noticed) what I said at the beginning. "Complicated musical GESTURE"--is the distinction too subtle for you? It doesn't mean a Bach fugue, it means the drama he made out of the Anthem, with among other things the use of brutal feedback to spook the melody, which he stretched and distorted beyond recognition and back again--with unpredictable tempo and rhythm to further disorient things. Shocking, unprecedented and unforgettable.
I’ll quote another description: “Hendrix evoked the majesty of America while also summoning the howling undercurrents of dissonance and violence echoing the Vietnam war and the nation's racial struggles.” But you have such penetrating musical insight that you see through the hype: it was all just “blues with hints of progressive notes.” Brilliant!
lol He wasn't playing upside down so much as being left handed. Hendrix does have some complicated music but getting fucked up and just making noise is not it. Because of the high level of distortion and tones bleeding into each other a lot of non-players find it complicated. Some people say math is complicated but if you understand it you see how elegant it really is. I don't know who JFC is but music critics are pretty much useless. Someone once said, "writing about music is like dancing about architecture." Things is with the insanity on the left we see these days I would not be surprised to find plenty of people who think dancing about architecture actually makes sense.
Not only that but when we brought troops home they said, " but what about our poor Kurdish allies". Hippies were totally fucked but still several 100x better than the newest batch of chuckle fuck commies.
Actually he broke his ankles on every landing he made a Ft. Campbell. Spent too much time in the infirmary. Not an unusual thing actually. His career was unremarkable but not bad, like most. In comparison to many of his fellow travelers, many of whom were radically hostile to veterans, he looks good.
And frankly it sucked. I love Hendrix's music but I've always thought his version of the anthem was just some dumbass bullshit. Nothing interesting or talented about it.
I heard a story from a musician who was there as a kid. The group of blankets he was sitting on got hungry. He was the only one with any money so he offered to go get them all food. He said it took something like 2 hours to just get to the hotdog stand and then like 3 to get the dogs and get back. As soon as he got back his "friends" mobbed his ass and quickly gobbled up every last bite and left him with not even a crumb. He realized at that moment that the whole peace and love movement was complete bullshit.
Maybe the entire meme is directed at liberals. Draw them in and then punch them in the head. Bait and switch. You will never convince lefties that these things aren't cool so why not exploit that?
Also, because he wanted to be the final act (as any true showman would), by the time Hendrix played his immortal instrumental version of the anthem as the morning sun rose on the third day, there were fewer than 25,000 people left, not 500,000.
The 60s are a sad time in world history. We're trying to pull ourselves out of the shit that their social revolution caused while fighting those who want to take it to its conclusion.
For the record, actual Boomers are like 80 today, and most of the people LARPing a love for the dissidence of the '60s were teenagers at the time, at best joining the violent riots of the '70s. The vast majority of them did not and were just happily going about their lives in cloistered suburbs, not even meeting a black person until the Great Migration a few years later. They really wanted into the free love of the '60s, but if we're being honest they were busy masturbating to Sears catalogues at the time.
Yet all the 60-something libs I know love to talk like they personally marched with MLK Jr. and attended Woodstock themselves.
Admitting to being 13 and not really giving a shit about civil rights but really wanting the free love side makes them sound like selfish shitty people, so here we are: pretending that the hippies are still alive and politically active and not being killed by Cuomo in NY nursing homes.
Dude plenty of us GenXer's at one point thought the 60's were cool as fuck. They weren't but it's not just Boomers who ever thought that. I smoked a ton of dope back in the 80's and did a high school history presentation on the Hippie movement. I was stupid and thought they were cool as fuck.
They already did and their fodder became even more extreme which is what we have today. The hippies had double-standards, but at least advocated that everyone get along. The current swarm of cur flipped the script entirely and want anything and everything opposite of what is - good or bad (hint: it’s bad).
Having spent a little time in the Phish culture, I can assure you so called “hippies” are mostly selfish, cruel, disgusting creatures that will steal from you and screw you over just as soon as look at you, all the while talking bullshit about “be kind and share”. Lots of sad tales of people being robbed and screwed over by their so called “phamily” and left high and dry with nothing or raped in a tent by a bunch of guys while passed out on drugs. My mistrust of “hippies” is based on observable reality.
My experience is most of those cool people will stab you in the back. Even people I knew pretty well ended up screwing me over in one way or another. Just seriously fuck all hippies, man.
Either you're still a child with no life experience or so delusional you can't think straight.
The reason why "stereotypes" exist is because our brains (when they work properly) are meant to group things. It's one of the defining characteristics of the human mind: to recognize patterns. To understand systems and not hang up on the "one on one" struggle of predator/prey.
As with any pattern, grouping or system there are outliers. Some have more than others, of course, but you're almost always right if you recognize the system and adapt to the pattern.
The left's biggest victory in America is somehow convincing most people to stop believing their lying eyes. This "stereotypes are bad" nonsense is how people end up getting stabbed on the street. Enjoy it, I guess...
Okay, I'm really gonna let you have it over this one, as follows:
I've thought it over and: I made a careless comment, downright silly, really, and I apologize for it. You're right about pattern recognition. But I also remember something Elias Canetti wrote: "The leap into the general is so dangerous that it has to be made again and again, and from the same place." I take it that "the same place" is the awareness of the potential dangers of generalizing about people (Canetti was a Jew and I think that's part of what he had in mind). This doesn't mean we don't, or shouldn't generalize. The goal of scientific inquiry is to reach a valid generalization (e.g., a law of nature, such as the instinct to generalize). Without it we couldn't think, period. The point is to do it empirically and with awareness of the stakes.
Also, I'm a Boomer myself and ambivalent and maybe a bit defensive about the rickety old cohort I belong to. I even contradict myself in another comment here.
I'm unclear what that person meant I guess, I read it as they were being facetious and accusing (me?) of stereotyping, which they feel is the evilest of evils.
I was a Govt Mule junkie for ages. Uncle Warren decided to get woke on stage during performances. I tossed all my bootlegs and vinyl in the garbage. Makes me sick when they RUIN something I love like that.
I can believe that but I've also spent a little time amongst Dead Heads and Oregon Country Fair. I've actually had one guy point out to me that I had been walking around in a crowd with my Dead ticket hanging out of the pocket on my backpack. Nobody stole it and I was amazed. I'm sure mileage varies and still think Dead Heads were mostly fools but I didn't get the whole rape and theft vibe. Phish is more for a younger generation and I can fully believe they are bunch of raping thieving fools.
That's the part of it that is so devastating. The vibe is this "hey everyone share and be friendly to each other" and then you go back to your tent and someone has stolen literally everything from it - they "shared" it from you.
Then you say "oh well that was just one time, the crowd here is cool" and then shit like that keeps happening and at some point you just realize "Oh, that's what this crowd is REALLY about!"
You get lulled into this sense of well being, maybe it's the pot, I dunno. I never went to a Dead show, I was an adult while they were still touring, it just never really landed on my radar as something to do. The phish thing for me was coincidental, I made some friends in a new town where I knew no one and they happened to be into it and I kinda got into it through them, but I was always kind of outside looking in. I was never a long hair dirty hippie type. Occasionally kids in the lot would mumble "Five-O" when I walked by because I was a little older and had short hair and didn't dress like a shithead. Honestly I only ever kinda liked the music.
But hippies are hippies and so many of them are people living on the outskirts of society, don't work and just sort of float around as long as they can without having to really work or commit to much. There's plenty of people who are just regular folk or college kids that go to the shows and have fun, some of them even have "long hair" but I wouldn't actually call those guys "hippies". Those regular folks, sure they're cool.
Not to mention they would have starved to death, and died in a pile of their own feces, had Christian Churches from miles around not banded together to provide all these dumb fucks with food and latrines because they brought NOTHING with them and the "organizers" hadn't planned anything beyond "hur, dur, lets tell everyone about a big concert thing and see what happens!"
It took a massive, spontaneous humanitarian effort to keep these idiots alive. The whole story is just one bizarre conglomeration of occurrences.
Totally. My "idea" of ideology is relatively narrow: respecting and defending the entire Constitution, America First, law and order, do the right thing, Golden Rule, prosperity and liberty and abundance over communism and feewings, equal justice over "social justice", responsibility over welfare, EQUALITY over racial or religious—e.g., black or islamic—supremacy. Giving over taking. Live and let live. Free adults in a free society are free to do as they please without infringing on the rights of others. Trump uber alles. (That's for you, libbies.)
By contrast, music is broad and vast and varied and complex and amazing and fun to play.
I can't hate Hendrix or Morrison or Joplin, to name just a few, just because they were flaming gooey liberals. I could if they were pedophiles. But that isn't a political ideology. I have to comparmentalize, because I love certain types of music too much to cut them loose based on political ideology. I went to see Heart three times—and each time, they were not even the headliner. Because they ROCKED in concert. A vast continent of classic rock was created by left wingers, it's just a fact of life. I can't just listen to Nugent and Derringer all day. :)
From where we stand now, Joplin, Morrison, Hendrix, Bowie, the Stones, the Beatles--they look like giants. We have assembly-line soft-porn pop tarts. THEY could rock the planet but also had poetic imaginations, they actually explored new mental worlds. They were mostly self-indulgent as hell, including when it came to drugs, but there's even something heroic about that--in a Byronic Romantic way. And they often used psychedelics the way Terence McKenna used them--not to get high so much as to experiment and explore their minds.
When I think of, e.g., Jennifer Lopez with nothing to offer but her shaking booty, the glitzy regimented choreography to cover up the emptiness of of the music... Ah, well, I geeze, I geeze...
EDIT: You mention Heart. I saw Ann Wilson in concert, and she was damn good. But. Then. Came. JEFF BECK...
No matter how many times I've seen him in concert, it will never be enough. And the way he gives the props to other guitarists blows my mind. It's ike being complimented by Trump on your negotiation skills.
This is pretty much the case with any peaceful movement. Everyone like to point to Ghandi as proof that peaceful protest works. Yeah when a couple armies are standing right behind you guarding your ass.
They were raised by dudes who fought WWII and Korea. They first hand heard the horror stories. They understood that America is the worlds beacon. The idiots now were raised by the children of these hippies, who no nothing of sacrifice and suffering.
NGL, if I'd been of age and had the govt order me to SE Asia to get mutilated and/or killed, I would not have seen it as ::heroic music:: being called to WWII Part Deux to keep the world safe for democracy.
I note with irony that the entire Vietnamese peninsula is thoroughly commie and has been ever since the war. So everybody that got killed, or maimed, or fucked up in the head for life and then spat on after returning for having risked everything, did so for nothing.
Exactly and Vietnam was at least worth protesting about. We should have cut our losses early. If I was 18-22 back then I’d be worried about being drafted and sent to war that had a high casualty count
Not everyone was a hippy. Some of my generation also knew our grandparents well and heard the stories and came to the same understanding and do know something of sacrifice and suffering. Not on their level but we did learn a thing or two from them.
There is a difference between someone who heard the stories and decided to embrace counter culture and those of GenX who heard the stories as well and embraced America and honor our grandparents and want the same things they wanted.
The difference between the lefties then and the lefties now is that they were not against America, they were against the people who were running America and sending many of her men to die in what are arguably pointless wars.
Ironically, my parents weren't but I was for a while. I love the culture and anarcho capitalism aspects. The focus on the live music format is also brilliant.
I listen to 60s music every day, the rest is the entire catalog of the Grateful Dead.
They were into give everyone a voice. Until it was their voice. Now it is censorship down the line. Line up and wear your mouth diaper or you will kill someone. Our equality of opportunity did not make equality of outcome so we will fix that.
If you go and listen to the words they spoke at that time. It is not different than now. They are just louder now. My theory is they all retired and started protesting again because they do not really need to work and want to pretend they are children again.
I'm a Boomer myself and I'm seeing some over-generalizations about my d-g-g-eneration. Some of us wised up a long time ago. Some (raises hand) vote Trump now. Some were just harmless naive flower-children; some were instinctive conformists going with the non-conformist flow because all their friends were. Some were just degenerates and into the drugs and orgies. There was Joan Baez. There was Charlie Manson. There was the outright traitor Jane Fonda. There was Jack Kerouac who was actually pro-Vietnam War and anti-Communist. There were Marxists like Thomas Sowell and David Horowitz who woke up and are now warning people against the evils of Marxism. And then there were the Left-Fascist Weather Underground types, the unspeakable Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffman, Saul Alinsky--they represent the ugliest side of the Hippie era, and unfortunately they now dominate the Left, driving out all moderate old school cold war liberal wrongthink out of today's Democrat party. And let's not forget the Black Panthers and post-MLK race-baiters like Sharpton--the forefuckers of BLM.
But enough Hippies went into academe to poison our education system. The flower-children became the participation-trophy, safe-space types. The militants made campuses brainwashing camps/training grounds for SJWs and AntiFa. So, long story short, yeah: Despite the variety and the exceptions, it's fair to say that as a whole my generation is responsible for where we are now. And saddest of all, they've indoctrinated at least two generations, meaning they've spawned a huge cohort of Lefties that will be around for a long time to come. But remember how far back Marxist indoctrination goes in the universities--at least as far back as the Frankfurt School in the late 30s. In a sense you could say the Hippie Movement was a popularized version of the Leftism that had been steadily spreading through the intellectual elite for decades.
I apologize I did not mean to generalize. That was not my intention. My intention was to convey the fact these people yelled for a platform. They were given one. Then now use it to abuse the rest of us. There are many who will gladly take that platform if it means they can bully and be hurtful. All in the name of being 'good'. They are anything but. I pray for them. But I suspect their hearts are closed off. My other theory is many of them of the 60s generation are now getting into retirement. They are bored and have reverted to their childish ways. Many who felt they 'missed out' on being a crusader in the 60s and are not going to lose that opportunity again.
You also point out this has been going on for a long time. It goes even further back to when we were founded as a country. There were two factions yelling at each other one to show how they can own people the other to show how free we are now. The democrats will pull upon themselves any system that lets them be the boss of others and not let freedom reign. Their current infatuation with Marxisim is just a form of that. One example I use is you do not get a bunch of dirt farmers to fight for slavery. They will never own a slave. They can not and never would have afforded it. They used lies to round them up and get them to fight. Many disagree with that view.
There is one man I was listening to last night. If I mentioned his name it would just start a fight here. Because many are not willing to let him go yet. But his lies are insidious. Built upon a system of hate of our government and God, but mostly God. I too looked up to him as I grew up. But his 60s BS is just that, BS. As I grow older and get more perspective I can see his lies.
No need to apologize at all. There's a big boulder of truth in them.
My 60-year-old cousin announced she was retiring from her law professor position so she could be an activist. (Again, just like when she was 40 years younger.)
So, yeah. Nostalgia for the good old days when there was injustice to fight. No longer true, but you can use make-believe injustice and larp just like it was old times.
Berkeley students protesting in favor of free speech. The ACLU fighting for the American Nazi Party's right to hold a march--and winning the case. Look at them now.
Confucius say: Tune change when shoe on other foot.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
Although I agree that in the Vietnam war was exploited tremendously buy a lot of people in order to make money, I wouldn't say that I was pointless. If you speak to Thai people, they were extremely grateful for American involvement in preventing communism from spreading there. If you look at the situation is people in Hong Kong and Taiwan are facing you might not think it's pointless. I'm sure there's also a lot of Russians and other Eastern Europeans who would have thought a hell of a lot harder if they knew what they were going to face.
You make a very fair point about the Thai. But as for the Vietnamese, they didn't exactly open their arms to the People's Liberation Army. In fact they fought a war with them not long after we left. As far as Communist ideology's concerned: Cambodia invaded Vietnam during this time, and Vietnam counter-invaded--which led to China invading Vietnam. Three Communist countries fighting each other. Historical rivalries much older than Communism were in play during that war and during the Vietnam War itself--though try telling that to McNamara and Johnson, who saw only dominoes.
And I think therein lies our folly. Never fight your enemy when you enemy is doing that for you. You aren't going to settle an ancient dispute like that. Just let them wipe each other out as they like. I eel the same way about the Middle East. Those people are going to fuck each other up just like they always have. Let's not stop that, let's stay out of it. It's so obvious that I'm sure profits were the driver in both Vietnam, Iraq, etc. All mistakes that cost us dearly and gave us nothing in the end.
The KGB and their organs were will into infiltration. They had it down to an art how to take over countries. They were good at it. It is part of their manifesto to do so.
Make no mistake these people did not go away. They just lost. That does not mean they stop.
At the end of the day Russia and China are enemies now so why would it make no sense to fight them then. Anytime you can stop those bastards it's a good thing. Today we let them do whatever they want. Obviously Vietnam was not a success but I agree that it being pointless in the first place is not 100% accurate.
Well... either that or they wanted to protect the Marxist adversaries of the USA, and let that ideology spread more and more by forcing the only superpower in the world that was willing to fight it go idle. To tip the balance in favor of Marxism.
Later on they became Marxists in all sorts of institutions who live in all sorts of delusions.
The difference between the lefties then and the lefties now is that they were not against America, they were against the people who were running America...
But, same as today, their good movement got hijacked by the self aggrandizing Communists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Bill Ayers whose rich daddy kept him from going to jail for murder and told him to stay out of trouble for a while.
Becoming aware that most Americans were too smart for his commie bullshit, Bill Ayers gave up bombing and turned his efforts to dumbing down America through our educational system. Using the wealth and prestige of his father he infiltrated the groups preparing the curricula used int K-12 public Schools. He stayed hidden in academia where he would be idolized by successive generations of dumber and dumber education majors.
I've seen some people who actually sing it the way it goes and I'm always so impressed and grateful. This isn't about you posing for the crowd and doing some fucking 10 minute vocal run.you egotistical bitch.
He clarified later that it was because he loved being American. That we are all Americans, even if we don’t like the actions of our government. I don’t agree with his thoughts about the Vietnam war being evil, but try to get anyone in BLM to say the same thing. Also, if this was his form of protesting, then it was actually a peaceful protest.
And he didn't do it to get attention to save his failing career and make it about his skin color. And he didn't have little Vietnamese kids making his brand of shoes so he can make millions. And he didn't conjure up a fake black accent to go give platitudes to the camera.
Yeah I NEVER saw the allure. It's like when black women get to sing the national anthem and all the sudden they're queens of range and pitch and flourish.
It was intentional, or so the rumors now go. He used distortion, whammy (to bend notes and generally make the music chaotic) and wailing notes in an intentional manner to attempt to make the anthem sound like the war/Vietnam, and do his best to have the guitar playing be reflective of gunfire and bombs going off. It wasn't supposed to sound pretty or melodious. Personally, as a pretty capable guitarist of ~20 years, I have a difficult time replicating his version perfectly (though I do use his version, skipping over the chaotic parts and retabbing certain areas of his version, to play a more normal/recognizable version of the anthem)
He was on the genius side of things IMO. People like that write incredible songs interspersed with complete bullshit. I'm also a Prince fan so I know all about that lol. But I agree that was the worst version ever. Although Roseanne.....
He was intentionally trying to mix in other noises that weren’t conventionally used in guitar. He did it all the time live and it is part of what made him so different from everyone else before him. Most famous was his machin gun noise which you can hear at :35 in this video https://youtu.be/Lw2L_vGUMtE
If you are a guitar player you can appreciate his playing but I never thought has music as a whole was very special. His records are a lot of dated cheap studio effects and his live recordings his playing is sometimes interesting and often unintelligible.
I think Stevie Ray Vaughan took his playing style (among many others) and made it into something special and real (and unique). Hendrix was just playing a lot of Albert King riffs when you really break it down.
Blues guitar players referencing other players is pretty normal, part of the art form actually. What made players like SRV or Clapton fascinating was how they took aspects of different players and mixed it up with their own thing. I suppose you can say the same for Hendrix, but his "style" was more about his visual flair and less about his playing IMO. He made a lot of noise and the psychedelic sound he got out of his guitar was interesting, but it wasn't great blues.
He was capable of playing good blues guitar, but it wasn't amazing. His big contribution was overdriven neck pickup on the strat. That hadn't really been done.
Hendrix was an amazing guitar player, no question about that. But part of his unique sound came from playing a right-handed Stratocaster left-handed. By doing this it flipped the pick-up pole pieces and changed the staggering.
Some are, some aren't (and are responsible for all the woke madness, today). A perfect example are my dad and one of his friends growing up: they both went to Woodstock, were both hippies. My dad's super conservative today, loves Trump. His friend is super liberal, hates Trump, and is a tenured professor that's been indoctrinating students into the intersectional woke ideology for decades now. That generation is the foundation for all the international woke ideology in society today, and it originated with them in academia (w/ critical theory initially) from that era, and spread out into culture by them and increasingly so with every generation to follow
That’s complete bullshit. The commie radicals of the 60s are still commie radicals. Plenty of boomers are conservatives now but they weren’t the bomb throwing radicals.
For the most part, people were protesting the draft to fight a (Democrat) war no one cared about. Plus, you could get out of going if you were in college. Really, it was a valid protest issue, unlike a lot of whst is going on now.
Little known fact about woodstock and Hendrix. He was obsessed with being the last act. He didn't want anyone to upstage his performance. So, by the time everyone was done playing and jamming and doing drugs and whatever, it was Monday morning when jimi took the stage. He woke the now >50k crowd with the rendition of the star spangled banner.
It wasnt 500K people, but the point still stands. I'm sure there wasn't anyone kneeling.
i respect people's rights to use whatever mind altering substances they please as long as they aren't causing harm to others. I think people are more butthurt that his rendition was a protest of the Vietnam War as he used the distortion to mimic the dropping of bombs. i think it was cool
His ability to get those sounds out of a guitar back then is what makes this so impressive. There were no digital effects. He was essentially using what many people considered to be the flaws of vacuum tube amps to create sounds of war.
Hippies.... bunch of drug addicted, lazy, idiotic losers who did nothing objectively good for society. Their legacy is a reminder of what a generation of people should not do.
Very rarely do I disagree with a TD post but Woodstock was a disease filled shithole filled with diseased filled hippies and Jimi Hendrix although a nice guy was a drugged up degenerate and should NOT have played the national anthem like a down syndrome.
Well ....technically, Hendrix played that version of the National Anthem in front of an estimated forty thousand concert-goers who were still onsite on Monday morning. If you look into the crowd from the stage (director's cut), the remaining crowd looks rode hard and put away wet after a trek to get in to the show, and then a couple of days of limited supplies in many cases,never mind the brown acid.
A friend of mine can be seen in-the-crowd ...dark hair, bangs falling over his forehead, and Buddy Holly specs (not too far from the ginger afro guy). It was his last hurrah before heading off to boot camp ...101st Airborne (a Ranger eventually). His nickname at the range is Tripwire. No hippie by a long shot, just a big-time music fan. He's old and gray now, but still kickin' pretty strong too.
And while Hendrix' version of the Star Spangled Banner (National Anthem) may have included some protest components, it still sounds great to me, and I satand and doff my hat whenever I hear it. Plus, let's not forget, Jimi was a veteran of the US Army.
This was back in the day though when health insurance has not corrupted the entire healthcare system. So people could afford life. Companies still had pensions and retirement plans, and hip hop had not glorified a life of crime. There was alot going on to make people loyal to their country. I think our problems now stem from a loyalty factor. Republican or dem, its harder then ever before to afford life. And when companies get greedy and cut benefits, and health insurance industry is allowed to be a gatekeeper to health and the govt does nothing it makes a disloyal population. Basic principle from the Art of War.
There's room to debate whether what the left then considered "fixing" was good or bad, but at least the disagreement was rooted in two sides who loved America in different ways.
Good discussion. But 2 points to clarify, 1.) Hendrix did the anthem in his style because he thought it was cool. That was his answer to Dick Cavett when he was asked if he agreed with the haters who termed it dis-respectful. 2.) He elected to stay over the last morning after everything was off schedule late so he could play last. He played that morning to a vary small leftover crowed estimated around 20,000. Layed down his best though! (Let's not mis-represent history. )
Minds melted on sex and drugs...that same party kept going for the future hacktavist cunts, faggot lawyers/judges and panthers....while we all worked and spent time with our families we created.
Most of the hippies have dingo-worship anyway, so it’s acceptable...
There was some anti-american stuff in the hippies, but the core were anti-war. They wanted a country that lived up to its ideals, not a different country.
Those smelly hippies with all the mud and no soap or napkins grew up and took over the schools and courts and are still trying to have their garbage revolution.
the coolest event that ever happened? and the coolest guy that ever lived? lol GTFO of here with that BS.
strike those lines in that meme and it would be 10x better.
It was supposed to last a few days, but instead lasted an entire week. That’s not cool. That isn’t “peaceful” or “cool”. It was illegal occupation of private property. Not to mention the rampant drug abuse and sexual assaults that were occurring. “Hippies” were not cool. They are just a continuation of the same enemy we have been fighting for over 100 years.
That's a one-dimensional interpretation of a complicated musical gesture. I hear a highly ambivalent mixture of emotions--anger and grief, yes, but Hendrix served in 26th Airborne, and though he was a fuck-up, he was not dishonorably discharged, as many believe, but discharged on the grounds of "unsuitability — under honorable conditions" (in 1962). He never lost a certain affection for the military, if only for his fellow soldiers, many of whom would go on to die in a war I and eventually more than 1/2 of Americans disapproved of--to say the least. I hear anguish at an America gone wrong with a misguided policy that killed almost 60,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese--and accomplished less than nothing.
(SOME HELPFUL BACKGROUND: I love my country, and I say fuck you to anyone who says I don't just because I believe we made a tragic mistake getting involved in a civil war in a minor third-world country based on a policy-wonk theory. Did the dominoes fall, did the Chinese take over Vietnam? No, war broke out between the two countries in 1979, and the war involved three Communist nations (add Cambodia). Our leaders fought the war in total ignorance of the historical geopolitics of the region--a history of constant rivalries between and among China and the small nations of Indochina. These rivalries long predated the Vietnam War, played a part in it, and also figured in the intra-Communist war that followed. McNamara was a shallow technocrat who coldly used the draft to send thousands of hapless 18-year-olds to their deaths in what he KNEW was an unwinnable war (so did Johnson).
Tens of thousands of Vets came home maimed and traumatized and stuck with sub-par VA medical care; spat on by fellow Americans for fighting for America, many of them because they were forced to; ending up homeless on the streets in droves (maybe some of them are out there to this day); and some of them so embittered that they joined the anti-war movement. McNamara was a soulless bastard who deserved to be pushed into the river by an enraged Vet. Compared with Johnson and this spreadsheet bureaucrat, Bush and Cheney's reckless interventionism in the Middle East looks pretty mild. To anyone who accuses me of America-bashing, I say America's greatness consists partly in its sense of fair play and its willingness to recognize and correct its shortcomings--e.g., the Civil War and "a new birth of freedom." (Sadly, going from Vietnam quagmire to Middle East sand-trap doesn't suggest any lessons were learned.)
Hendrix was beyond dispute a genius who was a fucked-up individual and anything but a role model in his personal life, yes; but his musical theme (besides drugs and sex and extra-terrestrials) was Love. He was a typical Hippie in that sense. "Peace and Love" are facile sentimental slogans, certainly, but as far as you can get from today's Leftist hate-mongering.
Most Hippies were self-indulgent, drugged-out, affluent pseudo-anarchists, but only a few poisonous individuals like Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground advocated and practiced violence. Sadly, that's what the Hippie movement evolved into--today's Alinsky-ized Far Left Chicago-style machine politicians destroying every city they control, cynical exploitation of racial grievance, blatant anti-Americanism, crypto-Communism culminating in a traitor named Obama.
Hendrix was no fan of Communism, and in his last years the Black Panthers were already criticizing him for not being (as we now say) "woke" and on board with anti-white identity politics. Unlike them and their modern-day descendants, he was not a hater.
With all this in mind, that Anthem performance makes a lot of sense in its surreal way. I'll quote this Quora comment: "Hendrix evoked the majesty of America while also summoning the howling undercurrents of dissonance and violence echoing the Vietnam war and the nation's racial struggles.” At the right historical moment at a now-historic event Hendrix turned in a performance that was also a dramatic piece of performance art, iconoclastic and yet, to this day, an icon standing for that entire period, creative and destructive, peace-and-love on the one hand, massively violent on the other. But in retrospect, tragic at the time and tragic in its consequences.
One hallmark of the Left is being offended by complexity. Ideology-driven people are allergic to truth, and the truth is rarely simple. That goes for Hendrix, his version of the Anthem and his attitude to America. If anyone's offended by the fact that I don't see this issue in "black and white," I don't give a fuck. I'm voting for the same man you are.
Couldn't agree with you more, Pede!
One glaring difference to me is that back then there was an and game. End the war and bring the troops home and there is not further need to protest the war. Since Occupy WS there had been no goal. Nothing you can do will end these riots. The insanity that has gripped the minds of young folks is just an endless churn of disjointed thinking that has no real goals. Systemic racism is fake and therefore you can never end it.
Most people dosnt see the bullshit initially
This guy guitars..
If you ever watch the Woodstock footage, Albert Lee smoked him.
Alvin Lee ...I saw him play years after Woodstock when the group was named Ten Years Later (they were Ten Years After for a bit too). A power trio. I saw them play at a venue indoors ...a huge old movie theater that had been a regular theater at one time. Stacks of Marshall amps across the back of the stage. They had to halt the show temporarily when during a bass solo (that was de rigeure back then, every player took his ten minute solo) plaster started falling from the ceiling ...hehehe. But as things were, after a few custodial flashlights performed a perfunctory examination of the ceiling, the show went on. I was just a kid at the time, couldn't even drive yet. But that's how things were, no helmets, no seatbelts, you could even make it across a parking lot on a summer's day without bottled water, and a little thing like the possible collapse of a roof was not going to deter a promoter or the band. Glory days. I'm Going Home... to See my Baby, I'd lLove to Change the World, etc.
Hell, back in the day tiles full of asbestos falling on your head in your 2nd grade classroom didn't mean shit. If nobody got hit, you laughed. If someone got hit they headed to the nurse's office. Lucky ducks.
If anyone says this shit's too long, buddy, it ain't long at all.
I've read short stories longer then what this guy just wrote.
Appreciated, GFF!
That's the best post I have ever read here. Thank you.
Thank you kindly, sir! You'll quite turn my head with these compliments, I do declare.
Hi there, -1. Obviously there WERE too many words, because you ran out of attention span and forgot (assuming you noticed) what I said at the beginning. "Complicated musical GESTURE"--is the distinction too subtle for you? It doesn't mean a Bach fugue, it means the drama he made out of the Anthem, with among other things the use of brutal feedback to spook the melody, which he stretched and distorted beyond recognition and back again--with unpredictable tempo and rhythm to further disorient things. Shocking, unprecedented and unforgettable.
I’ll quote another description: “Hendrix evoked the majesty of America while also summoning the howling undercurrents of dissonance and violence echoing the Vietnam war and the nation's racial struggles.” But you have such penetrating musical insight that you see through the hype: it was all just “blues with hints of progressive notes.” Brilliant!
lol He wasn't playing upside down so much as being left handed. Hendrix does have some complicated music but getting fucked up and just making noise is not it. Because of the high level of distortion and tones bleeding into each other a lot of non-players find it complicated. Some people say math is complicated but if you understand it you see how elegant it really is. I don't know who JFC is but music critics are pretty much useless. Someone once said, "writing about music is like dancing about architecture." Things is with the insanity on the left we see these days I would not be surprised to find plenty of people who think dancing about architecture actually makes sense.
Yeah the bomb dropping dives piss me off. Always have.
Get that stick out of your ass buddy. It’s fuckin rock and roll.
That song is such a trip.
No shit. Dive bombs rock. Even when I do synthesizer I like dive bombing the shit out of that pitch wheel.
Not only that but when we brought troops home they said, " but what about our poor Kurdish allies". Hippies were totally fucked but still several 100x better than the newest batch of chuckle fuck commies.
You got that right
more than actual bombs being dropped for no reason with your tax dollars? Weird.
Oh shutup hippie.
Neocons are not allowed to post here, sorry. Go back to 2004
I was going to say this and add most were stoned out of their minds.
Hendrix to his credit was a honorably discharged veteran.
‘Veteran’ my ball sack.
They discharged him because he was an unmotivated garbage soldier who was better off anywhere but the army.
He never said a bad thing about the army or our country. Was against Communism.
Actually he broke his ankles on every landing he made a Ft. Campbell. Spent too much time in the infirmary. Not an unusual thing actually. His career was unremarkable but not bad, like most. In comparison to many of his fellow travelers, many of whom were radically hostile to veterans, he looks good.
It doesn't affect me that way because I'm a patriot. I don't give a fuck about his motivations and honestly you don't know either.
And frankly it sucked. I love Hendrix's music but I've always thought his version of the anthem was just some dumbass bullshit. Nothing interesting or talented about it.
It was a tribute, with "taps" coming in with a cameo, done much better than his "combined british and us national anthems" stunt.
It was much better than some antifa queer burning the US flag!
I heard a story from a musician who was there as a kid. The group of blankets he was sitting on got hungry. He was the only one with any money so he offered to go get them all food. He said it took something like 2 hours to just get to the hotdog stand and then like 3 to get the dogs and get back. As soon as he got back his "friends" mobbed his ass and quickly gobbled up every last bite and left him with not even a crumb. He realized at that moment that the whole peace and love movement was complete bullshit.
Respect the flag
Maybe the entire meme is directed at liberals. Draw them in and then punch them in the head. Bait and switch. You will never convince lefties that these things aren't cool so why not exploit that?
Also, because he wanted to be the final act (as any true showman would), by the time Hendrix played his immortal instrumental version of the anthem as the morning sun rose on the third day, there were fewer than 25,000 people left, not 500,000.
The 60s are a sad time in world history. We're trying to pull ourselves out of the shit that their social revolution caused while fighting those who want to take it to its conclusion.
For the record, actual Boomers are like 80 today, and most of the people LARPing a love for the dissidence of the '60s were teenagers at the time, at best joining the violent riots of the '70s. The vast majority of them did not and were just happily going about their lives in cloistered suburbs, not even meeting a black person until the Great Migration a few years later. They really wanted into the free love of the '60s, but if we're being honest they were busy masturbating to Sears catalogues at the time.
Yet all the 60-something libs I know love to talk like they personally marched with MLK Jr. and attended Woodstock themselves.
Admitting to being 13 and not really giving a shit about civil rights but really wanting the free love side makes them sound like selfish shitty people, so here we are: pretending that the hippies are still alive and politically active and not being killed by Cuomo in NY nursing homes.
Dude plenty of us GenXer's at one point thought the 60's were cool as fuck. They weren't but it's not just Boomers who ever thought that. I smoked a ton of dope back in the 80's and did a high school history presentation on the Hippie movement. I was stupid and thought they were cool as fuck.
GEOTUS is a boomer, for some alternate perspective.
They already did and their fodder became even more extreme which is what we have today. The hippies had double-standards, but at least advocated that everyone get along. The current swarm of cur flipped the script entirely and want anything and everything opposite of what is - good or bad (hint: it’s bad).
Well to be fair, Hendrix played on the last day of Woodstock on Sunday morning to a much smaller crowd of less than 40,000
Everyone with a job to go to on Monday had already left, lol.
Except now they have tenure, a fat 403(b), and a vacation mountain cabin...
The first rule of R&T club is that you don't talk about R&T club.
Having spent a little time in the Phish culture, I can assure you so called “hippies” are mostly selfish, cruel, disgusting creatures that will steal from you and screw you over just as soon as look at you, all the while talking bullshit about “be kind and share”. Lots of sad tales of people being robbed and screwed over by their so called “phamily” and left high and dry with nothing or raped in a tent by a bunch of guys while passed out on drugs. My mistrust of “hippies” is based on observable reality.
I feel you 100% on that one. I’ve met a lot of cool people on phish lot...I’ve also met a lot of assholes.
My experience is most of those cool people will stab you in the back. Even people I knew pretty well ended up screwing me over in one way or another. Just seriously fuck all hippies, man.
Either you're still a child with no life experience or so delusional you can't think straight.
The reason why "stereotypes" exist is because our brains (when they work properly) are meant to group things. It's one of the defining characteristics of the human mind: to recognize patterns. To understand systems and not hang up on the "one on one" struggle of predator/prey.
As with any pattern, grouping or system there are outliers. Some have more than others, of course, but you're almost always right if you recognize the system and adapt to the pattern.
The left's biggest victory in America is somehow convincing most people to stop believing their lying eyes. This "stereotypes are bad" nonsense is how people end up getting stabbed on the street. Enjoy it, I guess...
Okay, I'm really gonna let you have it over this one, as follows:
I've thought it over and: I made a careless comment, downright silly, really, and I apologize for it. You're right about pattern recognition. But I also remember something Elias Canetti wrote: "The leap into the general is so dangerous that it has to be made again and again, and from the same place." I take it that "the same place" is the awareness of the potential dangers of generalizing about people (Canetti was a Jew and I think that's part of what he had in mind). This doesn't mean we don't, or shouldn't generalize. The goal of scientific inquiry is to reach a valid generalization (e.g., a law of nature, such as the instinct to generalize). Without it we couldn't think, period. The point is to do it empirically and with awareness of the stakes.
Also, I'm a Boomer myself and ambivalent and maybe a bit defensive about the rickety old cohort I belong to. I even contradict myself in another comment here.
Anyway,
Peace, Pede.
Fair enough
You are right of course but I'm pretty sure the person you responded to was joking.
I'm unclear what that person meant I guess, I read it as they were being facetious and accusing (me?) of stereotyping, which they feel is the evilest of evils.
lot of assholes on a phish lot of assholes on a phish lot.....
Hippie is short for hypocrite.
I was a Govt Mule junkie for ages. Uncle Warren decided to get woke on stage during performances. I tossed all my bootlegs and vinyl in the garbage. Makes me sick when they RUIN something I love like that.
I can believe that but I've also spent a little time amongst Dead Heads and Oregon Country Fair. I've actually had one guy point out to me that I had been walking around in a crowd with my Dead ticket hanging out of the pocket on my backpack. Nobody stole it and I was amazed. I'm sure mileage varies and still think Dead Heads were mostly fools but I didn't get the whole rape and theft vibe. Phish is more for a younger generation and I can fully believe they are bunch of raping thieving fools.
That's the part of it that is so devastating. The vibe is this "hey everyone share and be friendly to each other" and then you go back to your tent and someone has stolen literally everything from it - they "shared" it from you.
Then you say "oh well that was just one time, the crowd here is cool" and then shit like that keeps happening and at some point you just realize "Oh, that's what this crowd is REALLY about!"
You get lulled into this sense of well being, maybe it's the pot, I dunno. I never went to a Dead show, I was an adult while they were still touring, it just never really landed on my radar as something to do. The phish thing for me was coincidental, I made some friends in a new town where I knew no one and they happened to be into it and I kinda got into it through them, but I was always kind of outside looking in. I was never a long hair dirty hippie type. Occasionally kids in the lot would mumble "Five-O" when I walked by because I was a little older and had short hair and didn't dress like a shithead. Honestly I only ever kinda liked the music.
But hippies are hippies and so many of them are people living on the outskirts of society, don't work and just sort of float around as long as they can without having to really work or commit to much. There's plenty of people who are just regular folk or college kids that go to the shows and have fun, some of them even have "long hair" but I wouldn't actually call those guys "hippies". Those regular folks, sure they're cool.
Not to mention they would have starved to death, and died in a pile of their own feces, had Christian Churches from miles around not banded together to provide all these dumb fucks with food and latrines because they brought NOTHING with them and the "organizers" hadn't planned anything beyond "hur, dur, lets tell everyone about a big concert thing and see what happens!"
It took a massive, spontaneous humanitarian effort to keep these idiots alive. The whole story is just one bizarre conglomeration of occurrences.
Or maybe they would have just left early and everyone would have been better off.
I know—I'm bummed too that I couldn't go :)
LOL sounds like you're into music more than ideology
Totally. My "idea" of ideology is relatively narrow: respecting and defending the entire Constitution, America First, law and order, do the right thing, Golden Rule, prosperity and liberty and abundance over communism and feewings, equal justice over "social justice", responsibility over welfare, EQUALITY over racial or religious—e.g., black or islamic—supremacy. Giving over taking. Live and let live. Free adults in a free society are free to do as they please without infringing on the rights of others. Trump uber alles. (That's for you, libbies.)
By contrast, music is broad and vast and varied and complex and amazing and fun to play.
I can't hate Hendrix or Morrison or Joplin, to name just a few, just because they were flaming gooey liberals. I could if they were pedophiles. But that isn't a political ideology. I have to comparmentalize, because I love certain types of music too much to cut them loose based on political ideology. I went to see Heart three times—and each time, they were not even the headliner. Because they ROCKED in concert. A vast continent of classic rock was created by left wingers, it's just a fact of life. I can't just listen to Nugent and Derringer all day. :)
From where we stand now, Joplin, Morrison, Hendrix, Bowie, the Stones, the Beatles--they look like giants. We have assembly-line soft-porn pop tarts. THEY could rock the planet but also had poetic imaginations, they actually explored new mental worlds. They were mostly self-indulgent as hell, including when it came to drugs, but there's even something heroic about that--in a Byronic Romantic way. And they often used psychedelics the way Terence McKenna used them--not to get high so much as to experiment and explore their minds.
When I think of, e.g., Jennifer Lopez with nothing to offer but her shaking booty, the glitzy regimented choreography to cover up the emptiness of of the music... Ah, well, I geeze, I geeze...
EDIT: You mention Heart. I saw Ann Wilson in concert, and she was damn good. But. Then. Came. JEFF BECK...
My favorite guitarist of all time? Upvoted!
No matter how many times I've seen him in concert, it will never be enough. And the way he gives the props to other guitarists blows my mind. It's ike being complimented by Trump on your negotiation skills.
Jeff Beck is on the daily music menu at our house
This is pretty much the case with any peaceful movement. Everyone like to point to Ghandi as proof that peaceful protest works. Yeah when a couple armies are standing right behind you guarding your ass.
The organizers were after the scratch, just as you'd expect.
Imagine if they had fentanyl back then. Hundreds would have died.
Imagine if there were black hippies. Black people would have shot each other.
Sauce?
Sounds like he's confusing the original Woodstock with the second Woodstock, which was a really ugly re-make.
They were raised by dudes who fought WWII and Korea. They first hand heard the horror stories. They understood that America is the worlds beacon. The idiots now were raised by the children of these hippies, who no nothing of sacrifice and suffering.
Yes. He was a vet. They were protesting the unfair draft.
NGL, if I'd been of age and had the govt order me to SE Asia to get mutilated and/or killed, I would not have seen it as ::heroic music:: being called to WWII Part Deux to keep the world safe for democracy.
I note with irony that the entire Vietnamese peninsula is thoroughly commie and has been ever since the war. So everybody that got killed, or maimed, or fucked up in the head for life and then spat on after returning for having risked everything, did so for nothing.
Exactly and Vietnam was at least worth protesting about. We should have cut our losses early. If I was 18-22 back then I’d be worried about being drafted and sent to war that had a high casualty count
Deaths/Injured:
Vietnam: 58,318 dead, 153,303 injured, 1587 MIA, 776 POW
Afghan: 2,420 dead, 19,950 injured
Iraq II: 4,507 dead, 32,292 injured
Not everyone was a hippy. Some of my generation also knew our grandparents well and heard the stories and came to the same understanding and do know something of sacrifice and suffering. Not on their level but we did learn a thing or two from them.
There is a difference between someone who heard the stories and decided to embrace counter culture and those of GenX who heard the stories as well and embraced America and honor our grandparents and want the same things they wanted.
They were spoiled brats for the most part, the millennials of their time.
The difference between the lefties then and the lefties now is that they were not against America, they were against the people who were running America and sending many of her men to die in what are arguably pointless wars.
Yeah but so were a lot of people. If you're still into that stuff by that age you were probably a couch surfing burnout.
At least the 60s hippies were into farming and self sufficiency. Even Hunter S Thompson and Jerry Garcia had guns.
When they burned out they either found politics or religion. It all depended on the drugs they did.
Rare wisdom!
My aunts and uncles were hippies and I was a flower child.
Ironically, my parents weren't but I was for a while. I love the culture and anarcho capitalism aspects. The focus on the live music format is also brilliant.
I listen to 60s music every day, the rest is the entire catalog of the Grateful Dead.
They were into give everyone a voice. Until it was their voice. Now it is censorship down the line. Line up and wear your mouth diaper or you will kill someone. Our equality of opportunity did not make equality of outcome so we will fix that.
If you go and listen to the words they spoke at that time. It is not different than now. They are just louder now. My theory is they all retired and started protesting again because they do not really need to work and want to pretend they are children again.
I'm a Boomer myself and I'm seeing some over-generalizations about my d-g-g-eneration. Some of us wised up a long time ago. Some (raises hand) vote Trump now. Some were just harmless naive flower-children; some were instinctive conformists going with the non-conformist flow because all their friends were. Some were just degenerates and into the drugs and orgies. There was Joan Baez. There was Charlie Manson. There was the outright traitor Jane Fonda. There was Jack Kerouac who was actually pro-Vietnam War and anti-Communist. There were Marxists like Thomas Sowell and David Horowitz who woke up and are now warning people against the evils of Marxism. And then there were the Left-Fascist Weather Underground types, the unspeakable Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffman, Saul Alinsky--they represent the ugliest side of the Hippie era, and unfortunately they now dominate the Left, driving out all moderate old school cold war liberal wrongthink out of today's Democrat party. And let's not forget the Black Panthers and post-MLK race-baiters like Sharpton--the forefuckers of BLM.
But enough Hippies went into academe to poison our education system. The flower-children became the participation-trophy, safe-space types. The militants made campuses brainwashing camps/training grounds for SJWs and AntiFa. So, long story short, yeah: Despite the variety and the exceptions, it's fair to say that as a whole my generation is responsible for where we are now. And saddest of all, they've indoctrinated at least two generations, meaning they've spawned a huge cohort of Lefties that will be around for a long time to come. But remember how far back Marxist indoctrination goes in the universities--at least as far back as the Frankfurt School in the late 30s. In a sense you could say the Hippie Movement was a popularized version of the Leftism that had been steadily spreading through the intellectual elite for decades.
I apologize I did not mean to generalize. That was not my intention. My intention was to convey the fact these people yelled for a platform. They were given one. Then now use it to abuse the rest of us. There are many who will gladly take that platform if it means they can bully and be hurtful. All in the name of being 'good'. They are anything but. I pray for them. But I suspect their hearts are closed off. My other theory is many of them of the 60s generation are now getting into retirement. They are bored and have reverted to their childish ways. Many who felt they 'missed out' on being a crusader in the 60s and are not going to lose that opportunity again.
You also point out this has been going on for a long time. It goes even further back to when we were founded as a country. There were two factions yelling at each other one to show how they can own people the other to show how free we are now. The democrats will pull upon themselves any system that lets them be the boss of others and not let freedom reign. Their current infatuation with Marxisim is just a form of that. One example I use is you do not get a bunch of dirt farmers to fight for slavery. They will never own a slave. They can not and never would have afforded it. They used lies to round them up and get them to fight. Many disagree with that view.
There is one man I was listening to last night. If I mentioned his name it would just start a fight here. Because many are not willing to let him go yet. But his lies are insidious. Built upon a system of hate of our government and God, but mostly God. I too looked up to him as I grew up. But his 60s BS is just that, BS. As I grow older and get more perspective I can see his lies.
No need to apologize at all. There's a big boulder of truth in them.
My 60-year-old cousin announced she was retiring from her law professor position so she could be an activist. (Again, just like when she was 40 years younger.)
So, yeah. Nostalgia for the good old days when there was injustice to fight. No longer true, but you can use make-believe injustice and larp just like it was old times.
Berkeley students protesting in favor of free speech. The ACLU fighting for the American Nazi Party's right to hold a march--and winning the case. Look at them now.
Confucius say: Tune change when shoe on other foot.
How else did BLM learn to say thing like
They became 'the man'. It's ironic.
Their violence at the Chicago convention in 1968 had a lot to do with Nixon's election. They never learn.
https://youtu.be/Eh7wIGAcKxM
Nixon stopped the war.
Yes he did but not until 1973.
And, unlike some other people (looking at you Biden), he has a very good record of trying to help black people. Gee, sounds a bit familiar.
We hadn't put them in charge of teaching our children and reporting our news for decades at that point.
Although I agree that in the Vietnam war was exploited tremendously buy a lot of people in order to make money, I wouldn't say that I was pointless. If you speak to Thai people, they were extremely grateful for American involvement in preventing communism from spreading there. If you look at the situation is people in Hong Kong and Taiwan are facing you might not think it's pointless. I'm sure there's also a lot of Russians and other Eastern Europeans who would have thought a hell of a lot harder if they knew what they were going to face.
You make a very fair point about the Thai. But as for the Vietnamese, they didn't exactly open their arms to the People's Liberation Army. In fact they fought a war with them not long after we left. As far as Communist ideology's concerned: Cambodia invaded Vietnam during this time, and Vietnam counter-invaded--which led to China invading Vietnam. Three Communist countries fighting each other. Historical rivalries much older than Communism were in play during that war and during the Vietnam War itself--though try telling that to McNamara and Johnson, who saw only dominoes.
And I think therein lies our folly. Never fight your enemy when you enemy is doing that for you. You aren't going to settle an ancient dispute like that. Just let them wipe each other out as they like. I eel the same way about the Middle East. Those people are going to fuck each other up just like they always have. Let's not stop that, let's stay out of it. It's so obvious that I'm sure profits were the driver in both Vietnam, Iraq, etc. All mistakes that cost us dearly and gave us nothing in the end.
The KGB and their organs were will into infiltration. They had it down to an art how to take over countries. They were good at it. It is part of their manifesto to do so.
Make no mistake these people did not go away. They just lost. That does not mean they stop.
At the end of the day Russia and China are enemies now so why would it make no sense to fight them then. Anytime you can stop those bastards it's a good thing. Today we let them do whatever they want. Obviously Vietnam was not a success but I agree that it being pointless in the first place is not 100% accurate.
Well... either that or they wanted to protect the Marxist adversaries of the USA, and let that ideology spread more and more by forcing the only superpower in the world that was willing to fight it go idle. To tip the balance in favor of Marxism.
Later on they became Marxists in all sorts of institutions who live in all sorts of delusions.
But, same as today, their good movement got hijacked by the self aggrandizing Communists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Bill Ayers whose rich daddy kept him from going to jail for murder and told him to stay out of trouble for a while.
Becoming aware that most Americans were too smart for his commie bullshit, Bill Ayers gave up bombing and turned his efforts to dumbing down America through our educational system. Using the wealth and prestige of his father he infiltrated the groups preparing the curricula used int K-12 public Schools. He stayed hidden in academia where he would be idolized by successive generations of dumber and dumber education majors.
The way he was playing it was the protest...
This ∆∆∆∆. He uses his guitar to make the sound of bombs falling and exploding. He played it in a way to protest the Viet Nam war.
Exactly. Now everyone just accepts that each musician is going to butcher the song to make it their own. Sad!
I've seen some people who actually sing it the way it goes and I'm always so impressed and grateful. This isn't about you posing for the crowd and doing some fucking 10 minute vocal run.you egotistical bitch.
WRONG.
Coolest guy ever = GEOTUS
Coolest event ever = his inauguration
That's before we sent billions to china, who turned around and infiltrated our universities and media companies.
Wait. Does no one realize he played it ironically to protest the Vietnam war? He made sounds of bombs dropping and explosions in the middle.
He clarified later that it was because he loved being American. That we are all Americans, even if we don’t like the actions of our government. I don’t agree with his thoughts about the Vietnam war being evil, but try to get anyone in BLM to say the same thing. Also, if this was his form of protesting, then it was actually a peaceful protest.
Oh, awesome!
And he didn't do it to get attention to save his failing career and make it about his skin color. And he didn't have little Vietnamese kids making his brand of shoes so he can make millions. And he didn't conjure up a fake black accent to go give platitudes to the camera.
That was one of the shittiest renditions of the National anthem ever. It's baffling since he had some good songs.
Yeah I NEVER saw the allure. It's like when black women get to sing the national anthem and all the sudden they're queens of range and pitch and flourish.
I agree. I want to hear the Anthem straight. No junky high pitched interpretations.
Wouldn't it be refreshing to see more black women who don't think they are actual African queens?
It was intentional, or so the rumors now go. He used distortion, whammy (to bend notes and generally make the music chaotic) and wailing notes in an intentional manner to attempt to make the anthem sound like the war/Vietnam, and do his best to have the guitar playing be reflective of gunfire and bombs going off. It wasn't supposed to sound pretty or melodious. Personally, as a pretty capable guitarist of ~20 years, I have a difficult time replicating his version perfectly (though I do use his version, skipping over the chaotic parts and retabbing certain areas of his version, to play a more normal/recognizable version of the anthem)
He was on the genius side of things IMO. People like that write incredible songs interspersed with complete bullshit. I'm also a Prince fan so I know all about that lol. But I agree that was the worst version ever. Although Roseanne.....
Nono, you're thinking of Mariah Carey during the NBA Finals.
It’s not baffling. He was high as shit lol.
He was intentionally trying to mix in other noises that weren’t conventionally used in guitar. He did it all the time live and it is part of what made him so different from everyone else before him. Most famous was his machin gun noise which you can hear at :35 in this video https://youtu.be/Lw2L_vGUMtE
Am I the only one who doesn't Like Hendrix?
Probably
Have you listened to the Electric Ladyland album?
If you are a guitar player you can appreciate his playing but I never thought has music as a whole was very special. His records are a lot of dated cheap studio effects and his live recordings his playing is sometimes interesting and often unintelligible.
I think Stevie Ray Vaughan took his playing style (among many others) and made it into something special and real (and unique). Hendrix was just playing a lot of Albert King riffs when you really break it down.
While scuffing Buddy Guy moves like playing behind the back and having a 100' cable, BG also had a polka dot guitar decades before Randy Rhoads did
Blues guitar players referencing other players is pretty normal, part of the art form actually. What made players like SRV or Clapton fascinating was how they took aspects of different players and mixed it up with their own thing. I suppose you can say the same for Hendrix, but his "style" was more about his visual flair and less about his playing IMO. He made a lot of noise and the psychedelic sound he got out of his guitar was interesting, but it wasn't great blues.
He was capable of playing good blues guitar, but it wasn't amazing. His big contribution was overdriven neck pickup on the strat. That hadn't really been done.
Nope. I liked Purple Haze somewhat, but that's all. I have a ticket stub from his last concert in Berlin. My H went to it when he was starioned there.
H?
Hendrix was an amazing guitar player, no question about that. But part of his unique sound came from playing a right-handed Stratocaster left-handed. By doing this it flipped the pick-up pole pieces and changed the staggering.
The hippies of then are the conservatives of today.
A really simple comparison but you should get the point. More of a mindset that we are actually hippies.
Some are, some aren't (and are responsible for all the woke madness, today). A perfect example are my dad and one of his friends growing up: they both went to Woodstock, were both hippies. My dad's super conservative today, loves Trump. His friend is super liberal, hates Trump, and is a tenured professor that's been indoctrinating students into the intersectional woke ideology for decades now. That generation is the foundation for all the international woke ideology in society today, and it originated with them in academia (w/ critical theory initially) from that era, and spread out into culture by them and increasingly so with every generation to follow
That’s complete bullshit. The commie radicals of the 60s are still commie radicals. Plenty of boomers are conservatives now but they weren’t the bomb throwing radicals.
Yup. Saw many Trump 2020 flags and yard signs in the the town of Woodstock and many many more in Liberty/Bethel (the actual town of the festival).
Saw a single sign for Biden there and to date is only sign I’ve seen despite putting 1000s of miles on my car road tripping this summer.
Trump Rallies have legit shakedown streets
For the most part, people were protesting the draft to fight a (Democrat) war no one cared about. Plus, you could get out of going if you were in college. Really, it was a valid protest issue, unlike a lot of whst is going on now.
iirc, Hendrix was a vet.
I think he was kicked out
IIRC, he joined to avoid prison and faked being homosexual to avoid the Army.
Hail Jimi
Godless reprobate hippies are the reason the country is in the shitter. Look at their kids AKA millennials.
Back when the left was ACTUALLY LIBERAL.
Little known fact about woodstock and Hendrix. He was obsessed with being the last act. He didn't want anyone to upstage his performance. So, by the time everyone was done playing and jamming and doing drugs and whatever, it was Monday morning when jimi took the stage. He woke the now >50k crowd with the rendition of the star spangled banner.
It wasnt 500K people, but the point still stands. I'm sure there wasn't anyone kneeling.
Woodstock was held during a pandemic.
That was one helluva rendition though you can't lie about that.
a lot of people in this thread are extremely triggered by this redition.. Sad!
He might have been drugged out but the man could do things noone has mimic'd on a guitar just in that alone.
i respect people's rights to use whatever mind altering substances they please as long as they aren't causing harm to others. I think people are more butthurt that his rendition was a protest of the Vietnam War as he used the distortion to mimic the dropping of bombs. i think it was cool
Plus he was 82 Airborne.
https://youtu.be/TKAwPA14Ni4
Just listened to it, crap I must be getting old.
His ability to get those sounds out of a guitar back then is what makes this so impressive. There were no digital effects. He was essentially using what many people considered to be the flaws of vacuum tube amps to create sounds of war.
Hippies.... bunch of drug addicted, lazy, idiotic losers who did nothing objectively good for society. Their legacy is a reminder of what a generation of people should not do.
It's the shitty kids that the shitty hippies have raised while getting their shit-selves into positions of influence.
Very rarely do I disagree with a TD post but Woodstock was a disease filled shithole filled with diseased filled hippies and Jimi Hendrix although a nice guy was a drugged up degenerate and should NOT have played the national anthem like a down syndrome.
Society was much much more cohesive then.
The real downfall was pretty early still and slow going.
only a pure cuck idiot kneels for terror. i meet terror on my feet. don't live on your knees folks....
Well ....technically, Hendrix played that version of the National Anthem in front of an estimated forty thousand concert-goers who were still onsite on Monday morning. If you look into the crowd from the stage (director's cut), the remaining crowd looks rode hard and put away wet after a trek to get in to the show, and then a couple of days of limited supplies in many cases,never mind the brown acid.
A friend of mine can be seen in-the-crowd ...dark hair, bangs falling over his forehead, and Buddy Holly specs (not too far from the ginger afro guy). It was his last hurrah before heading off to boot camp ...101st Airborne (a Ranger eventually). His nickname at the range is Tripwire. No hippie by a long shot, just a big-time music fan. He's old and gray now, but still kickin' pretty strong too.
And while Hendrix' version of the Star Spangled Banner (National Anthem) may have included some protest components, it still sounds great to me, and I satand and doff my hat whenever I hear it. Plus, let's not forget, Jimi was a veteran of the US Army.
Stevie Ray Vaughan played Jimmy Hendrix better than Jimmy Hendrix: Change My Mind
Assuming the link is to 'Little Wing', if so, I agree with you.
Yes.
Yeah, I was just explaining to someone how this gave him part of his unique sound.
Nobody told them to kneel.
Actually, when Hendrix appeared at Woodstock there were no more than 50,000 left there. I did not kneel.
This was back in the day though when health insurance has not corrupted the entire healthcare system. So people could afford life. Companies still had pensions and retirement plans, and hip hop had not glorified a life of crime. There was alot going on to make people loyal to their country. I think our problems now stem from a loyalty factor. Republican or dem, its harder then ever before to afford life. And when companies get greedy and cut benefits, and health insurance industry is allowed to be a gatekeeper to health and the govt does nothing it makes a disloyal population. Basic principle from the Art of War.
The left then was "we want to fix America"
The left now is "we want to destroy America"
There's room to debate whether what the left then considered "fixing" was good or bad, but at least the disagreement was rooted in two sides who loved America in different ways.
The left is pro establishment now.
Good discussion. But 2 points to clarify, 1.) Hendrix did the anthem in his style because he thought it was cool. That was his answer to Dick Cavett when he was asked if he agreed with the haters who termed it dis-respectful. 2.) He elected to stay over the last morning after everything was off schedule late so he could play last. He played that morning to a vary small leftover crowed estimated around 20,000. Layed down his best though! (Let's not mis-represent history. )
Because those hippies loved America but hated a war where they had a fairly decent chance of being maimed or killed.
I hate commies but damn we should have left Vietnam sooner
If I remember correctly he said something to the effect of: ...everybody get up, stand up for your country! And if you don't, fuck you..."
And remember, progressive Hippies were Boomers. The same boomers that millenials and zoomers today accuse of being old racists.
It was still mockery.. They work in baby steps.
Nikola Tesla was the coolest guy who ever lived, not some drug addict music player.
Minds melted on sex and drugs...that same party kept going for the future hacktavist cunts, faggot lawyers/judges and panthers....while we all worked and spent time with our families we created.
Most of the hippies have dingo-worship anyway, so it’s acceptable...
Not only that but the way he played it was meant to conflate the sounds of war with the national anthem in protest of Vietnam.
The slide is decades in the making. RepubliCANT business as usual won't even slow it down.
And many of those hippies from the 60's grew up and are running our country into the ground.
Pete Townsend also knocked leftist scumbag extraordinaire Abbie Hoffman on his ass, too.
Because none of them were privileged black millionaires trying to salvage their dying careers.
There was some anti-american stuff in the hippies, but the core were anti-war. They wanted a country that lived up to its ideals, not a different country.