The difference between the lefties then and the lefties now is that they were not against America, they were against the people who were running America and sending many of her men to die in what are arguably pointless wars.
They were into give everyone a voice. Until it was their voice. Now it is censorship down the line. Line up and wear your mouth diaper or you will kill someone. Our equality of opportunity did not make equality of outcome so we will fix that.
If you go and listen to the words they spoke at that time. It is not different than now. They are just louder now. My theory is they all retired and started protesting again because they do not really need to work and want to pretend they are children again.
I'm a Boomer myself and I'm seeing some over-generalizations about my d-g-g-eneration. Some of us wised up a long time ago. Some (raises hand) vote Trump now. Some were just harmless naive flower-children; some were instinctive conformists going with the non-conformist flow because all their friends were. Some were just degenerates and into the drugs and orgies. There was Joan Baez. There was Charlie Manson. There was the outright traitor Jane Fonda. There was Jack Kerouac who was actually pro-Vietnam War and anti-Communist. There were Marxists like Thomas Sowell and David Horowitz who woke up and are now warning people against the evils of Marxism. And then there were the Left-Fascist Weather Underground types, the unspeakable Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffman, Saul Alinsky--they represent the ugliest side of the Hippie era, and unfortunately they now dominate the Left, driving out all moderate old school cold war liberal wrongthink out of today's Democrat party. And let's not forget the Black Panthers and post-MLK race-baiters like Sharpton--the forefuckers of BLM.
But enough Hippies went into academe to poison our education system. The flower-children became the participation-trophy, safe-space types. The militants made campuses brainwashing camps/training grounds for SJWs and AntiFa. So, long story short, yeah: Despite the variety and the exceptions, it's fair to say that as a whole my generation is responsible for where we are now. And saddest of all, they've indoctrinated at least two generations, meaning they've spawned a huge cohort of Lefties that will be around for a long time to come. But remember how far back Marxist indoctrination goes in the universities--at least as far back as the Frankfurt School in the late 30s. In a sense you could say the Hippie Movement was a popularized version of the Leftism that had been steadily spreading through the intellectual elite for decades.
I apologize I did not mean to generalize. That was not my intention. My intention was to convey the fact these people yelled for a platform. They were given one. Then now use it to abuse the rest of us. There are many who will gladly take that platform if it means they can bully and be hurtful. All in the name of being 'good'. They are anything but. I pray for them. But I suspect their hearts are closed off. My other theory is many of them of the 60s generation are now getting into retirement. They are bored and have reverted to their childish ways. Many who felt they 'missed out' on being a crusader in the 60s and are not going to lose that opportunity again.
You also point out this has been going on for a long time. It goes even further back to when we were founded as a country. There were two factions yelling at each other one to show how they can own people the other to show how free we are now. The democrats will pull upon themselves any system that lets them be the boss of others and not let freedom reign. Their current infatuation with Marxisim is just a form of that. One example I use is you do not get a bunch of dirt farmers to fight for slavery. They will never own a slave. They can not and never would have afforded it. They used lies to round them up and get them to fight. Many disagree with that view.
There is one man I was listening to last night. If I mentioned his name it would just start a fight here. Because many are not willing to let him go yet. But his lies are insidious. Built upon a system of hate of our government and God, but mostly God. I too looked up to him as I grew up. But his 60s BS is just that, BS. As I grow older and get more perspective I can see his lies.
Berkeley students protesting in favor of free speech. The ACLU fighting for the American Nazi Party's right to hold a march--and winning the case. Look at them now.
Confucius say: Tune change when shoe on other foot.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
Although I agree that in the Vietnam war was exploited tremendously buy a lot of people in order to make money, I wouldn't say that I was pointless. If you speak to Thai people, they were extremely grateful for American involvement in preventing communism from spreading there. If you look at the situation is people in Hong Kong and Taiwan are facing you might not think it's pointless. I'm sure there's also a lot of Russians and other Eastern Europeans who would have thought a hell of a lot harder if they knew what they were going to face.
You make a very fair point about the Thai. But as for the Vietnamese, they didn't exactly open their arms to the People's Liberation Army. In fact they fought a war with them not long after we left. As far as Communist ideology's concerned: Cambodia invaded Vietnam during this time, and Vietnam counter-invaded--which led to China invading Vietnam. Three Communist countries fighting each other. Historical rivalries much older than Communism were in play during that war and during the Vietnam War itself--though try telling that to McNamara and Johnson, who saw only dominoes.
And I think therein lies our folly. Never fight your enemy when you enemy is doing that for you. You aren't going to settle an ancient dispute like that. Just let them wipe each other out as they like. I eel the same way about the Middle East. Those people are going to fuck each other up just like they always have. Let's not stop that, let's stay out of it. It's so obvious that I'm sure profits were the driver in both Vietnam, Iraq, etc. All mistakes that cost us dearly and gave us nothing in the end.
The KGB and their organs were will into infiltration. They had it down to an art how to take over countries. They were good at it. It is part of their manifesto to do so.
Make no mistake these people did not go away. They just lost. That does not mean they stop.
At the end of the day Russia and China are enemies now so why would it make no sense to fight them then. Anytime you can stop those bastards it's a good thing. Today we let them do whatever they want. Obviously Vietnam was not a success but I agree that it being pointless in the first place is not 100% accurate.
Well... either that or they wanted to protect the Marxist adversaries of the USA, and let that ideology spread more and more by forcing the only superpower in the world that was willing to fight it go idle. To tip the balance in favor of Marxism.
Later on they became Marxists in all sorts of institutions who live in all sorts of delusions.
The difference between the lefties then and the lefties now is that they were not against America, they were against the people who were running America...
But, same as today, their good movement got hijacked by the self aggrandizing Communists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Bill Ayers whose rich daddy kept him from going to jail for murder and told him to stay out of trouble for a while.
Becoming aware that most Americans were too smart for his commie bullshit, Bill Ayers gave up bombing and turned his efforts to dumbing down America through our educational system. Using the wealth and prestige of his father he infiltrated the groups preparing the curricula used int K-12 public Schools. He stayed hidden in academia where he would be idolized by successive generations of dumber and dumber education majors.
The difference between the lefties then and the lefties now is that they were not against America, they were against the people who were running America and sending many of her men to die in what are arguably pointless wars.
Yeah but so were a lot of people. If you're still into that stuff by that age you were probably a couch surfing burnout.
At least the 60s hippies were into farming and self sufficiency. Even Hunter S Thompson and Jerry Garcia had guns.
When they burned out they either found politics or religion. It all depended on the drugs they did.
Rare wisdom!
They were into give everyone a voice. Until it was their voice. Now it is censorship down the line. Line up and wear your mouth diaper or you will kill someone. Our equality of opportunity did not make equality of outcome so we will fix that.
If you go and listen to the words they spoke at that time. It is not different than now. They are just louder now. My theory is they all retired and started protesting again because they do not really need to work and want to pretend they are children again.
I'm a Boomer myself and I'm seeing some over-generalizations about my d-g-g-eneration. Some of us wised up a long time ago. Some (raises hand) vote Trump now. Some were just harmless naive flower-children; some were instinctive conformists going with the non-conformist flow because all their friends were. Some were just degenerates and into the drugs and orgies. There was Joan Baez. There was Charlie Manson. There was the outright traitor Jane Fonda. There was Jack Kerouac who was actually pro-Vietnam War and anti-Communist. There were Marxists like Thomas Sowell and David Horowitz who woke up and are now warning people against the evils of Marxism. And then there were the Left-Fascist Weather Underground types, the unspeakable Bill Ayers, Abbie Hoffman, Saul Alinsky--they represent the ugliest side of the Hippie era, and unfortunately they now dominate the Left, driving out all moderate old school cold war liberal wrongthink out of today's Democrat party. And let's not forget the Black Panthers and post-MLK race-baiters like Sharpton--the forefuckers of BLM.
But enough Hippies went into academe to poison our education system. The flower-children became the participation-trophy, safe-space types. The militants made campuses brainwashing camps/training grounds for SJWs and AntiFa. So, long story short, yeah: Despite the variety and the exceptions, it's fair to say that as a whole my generation is responsible for where we are now. And saddest of all, they've indoctrinated at least two generations, meaning they've spawned a huge cohort of Lefties that will be around for a long time to come. But remember how far back Marxist indoctrination goes in the universities--at least as far back as the Frankfurt School in the late 30s. In a sense you could say the Hippie Movement was a popularized version of the Leftism that had been steadily spreading through the intellectual elite for decades.
I apologize I did not mean to generalize. That was not my intention. My intention was to convey the fact these people yelled for a platform. They were given one. Then now use it to abuse the rest of us. There are many who will gladly take that platform if it means they can bully and be hurtful. All in the name of being 'good'. They are anything but. I pray for them. But I suspect their hearts are closed off. My other theory is many of them of the 60s generation are now getting into retirement. They are bored and have reverted to their childish ways. Many who felt they 'missed out' on being a crusader in the 60s and are not going to lose that opportunity again.
You also point out this has been going on for a long time. It goes even further back to when we were founded as a country. There were two factions yelling at each other one to show how they can own people the other to show how free we are now. The democrats will pull upon themselves any system that lets them be the boss of others and not let freedom reign. Their current infatuation with Marxisim is just a form of that. One example I use is you do not get a bunch of dirt farmers to fight for slavery. They will never own a slave. They can not and never would have afforded it. They used lies to round them up and get them to fight. Many disagree with that view.
There is one man I was listening to last night. If I mentioned his name it would just start a fight here. Because many are not willing to let him go yet. But his lies are insidious. Built upon a system of hate of our government and God, but mostly God. I too looked up to him as I grew up. But his 60s BS is just that, BS. As I grow older and get more perspective I can see his lies.
Berkeley students protesting in favor of free speech. The ACLU fighting for the American Nazi Party's right to hold a march--and winning the case. Look at them now.
Confucius say: Tune change when shoe on other foot.
How else did BLM learn to say thing like
They became 'the man'. It's ironic.
Their violence at the Chicago convention in 1968 had a lot to do with Nixon's election. They never learn.
https://youtu.be/Eh7wIGAcKxM
Nixon stopped the war.
Yes he did but not until 1973.
And, unlike some other people (looking at you Biden), he has a very good record of trying to help black people. Gee, sounds a bit familiar.
We hadn't put them in charge of teaching our children and reporting our news for decades at that point.
Although I agree that in the Vietnam war was exploited tremendously buy a lot of people in order to make money, I wouldn't say that I was pointless. If you speak to Thai people, they were extremely grateful for American involvement in preventing communism from spreading there. If you look at the situation is people in Hong Kong and Taiwan are facing you might not think it's pointless. I'm sure there's also a lot of Russians and other Eastern Europeans who would have thought a hell of a lot harder if they knew what they were going to face.
You make a very fair point about the Thai. But as for the Vietnamese, they didn't exactly open their arms to the People's Liberation Army. In fact they fought a war with them not long after we left. As far as Communist ideology's concerned: Cambodia invaded Vietnam during this time, and Vietnam counter-invaded--which led to China invading Vietnam. Three Communist countries fighting each other. Historical rivalries much older than Communism were in play during that war and during the Vietnam War itself--though try telling that to McNamara and Johnson, who saw only dominoes.
And I think therein lies our folly. Never fight your enemy when you enemy is doing that for you. You aren't going to settle an ancient dispute like that. Just let them wipe each other out as they like. I eel the same way about the Middle East. Those people are going to fuck each other up just like they always have. Let's not stop that, let's stay out of it. It's so obvious that I'm sure profits were the driver in both Vietnam, Iraq, etc. All mistakes that cost us dearly and gave us nothing in the end.
The KGB and their organs were will into infiltration. They had it down to an art how to take over countries. They were good at it. It is part of their manifesto to do so.
Make no mistake these people did not go away. They just lost. That does not mean they stop.
At the end of the day Russia and China are enemies now so why would it make no sense to fight them then. Anytime you can stop those bastards it's a good thing. Today we let them do whatever they want. Obviously Vietnam was not a success but I agree that it being pointless in the first place is not 100% accurate.
Well... either that or they wanted to protect the Marxist adversaries of the USA, and let that ideology spread more and more by forcing the only superpower in the world that was willing to fight it go idle. To tip the balance in favor of Marxism.
Later on they became Marxists in all sorts of institutions who live in all sorts of delusions.
But, same as today, their good movement got hijacked by the self aggrandizing Communists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Bill Ayers whose rich daddy kept him from going to jail for murder and told him to stay out of trouble for a while.
Becoming aware that most Americans were too smart for his commie bullshit, Bill Ayers gave up bombing and turned his efforts to dumbing down America through our educational system. Using the wealth and prestige of his father he infiltrated the groups preparing the curricula used int K-12 public Schools. He stayed hidden in academia where he would be idolized by successive generations of dumber and dumber education majors.