It's not quite like that actually, Moloch is at the top of the Qliphothic Tree of Death (The Dark Kaballah, if you study Rabnic literature at all)
Completely different entities.
As a practicing occultist, Moloch is extremely freaky. I work darker currents too.
From a magickal perspective he devours fate, or "potential."
Think about that. What has more potential "fate" than a baby? Or a fetus? You guys aren't wrong when you say Planned Parenthood is a ritualistic offering to Moloch. It's spot on and they gain immense favor with it.
Lucifer is often seen as a mirror image of Christ in an abstract way, depending on if people are theistic Luciferians or not. (Don't reply with a giant paragraph citing scripture to this part.. just mentioning archetypes discussed in this sphere, my beliefs are a bit different.)
I'm more into other currents, though I will say that even though my stuff tends to scare the living hell out of most Christians (respect if you are one, whatever brings you peace) there is indeed something EXTREMELY scary the whole species is up against and it's against everyone. It's a form of spiritual marxism and it's working remarkably well. Insidious. Most will never know.
It's not Luciferians or even Satanists you have to worry about, many are actually helping in ways you'll likely never believe. The war of the gods is waged within however and there is devil worship going on; though it's not the kind you'd want to know the full extent of. You've glimpsed the surface when you read about spirit cooking and adrenochrome.
It's real, and it makes perfect sense why they're doing it.
There's many shades of grey darker than the kneejerk most religious people go to. It's much much darker, and it's after everyone
I know this is going to sound like your typical Christian but delving in the occult isn't a good thing. There's forces there that you don't want to get involved in. It's like taking DMT from what I've heard. Oh yeah you could run into something good on the spiritual plane but more than likely you'll run into the forces of evil.
I would be happy to continue this conversation - I can write a paragraph as well as the next guy but I prefer to type my thoughts rather than cite scripture to argue my point.
As a Protestant, I think I'm a special kind of Christian.
As someone who was raised agnostic, I can appreciate it more now.
As for your points about Moloch and other dark entities/forces of evil.. well.. That interests me. I've always wondered about the conundrum re: killing is bad, but vanquishing evil a no-brainer 'good'. I suspect it's a more complicated process (dying)... I expect it's some kind of mix between virtual realities, frequencies, timelines..etc..
I keep an open enough mind that the Bible stories can still jive with little blue human children coming out of the earth in england, pyramids buried, Antarctica (Adm Byrd), secret space programs, Nazis on the moon, Bermuda triangles etc etc etc...
I've been a fan of John Titor stories for a long time (I stumbled across his posts when they were hardly a year old) I think Moloch/Potential discussion is the most interesting because it ties directly into timeline theory.
It's a deep rabbit hole. In essence "nothing is true, everything is permitted."
If you've heard of simulation theory it allows for some very interesting stuff where everything is the same energy at the fundamental level and causality can be more than just the physics engine within the system.
Spirits could be AI constructs and god could be a 12 yearold kid playing a game like the Sims. It's twisted but truth is usually weird anyway.
If you study ceremonial magick and the history of the occult at all you'll find things got a bit weird around the 1970's when Chaos magick hit the scene. People left the secret orders like the OTO and the Golden Dawn and found it was all the same mechanisms dressed up as different traditions. They'd call on different forces and get similar results just the same, even inventing their own (Look up Servitors, yes this is all absolutely real and you can find out for yourself that firing a sigil is the same mechanism as wishing on a star or blowing out candles on your birthday.)
This is how the pharoah's magicians replicated what Moses and Aaron did. It wasn't using "the power of Satan" to do it like many claim. It was just using the laws of metaphysics to reverse engineer something and replicate it. The engineering in your phone or wristwatch is just as "satanic" as those acts were. It's a whole world to get lost in and it's beautiful.
Anyway this shows a lot of strange patterns reality tends to follow. The laws of the universe behave differently based on the observer, consciousness. One can engineer conincidence at the low end and at the higher end things get very very weird.. That's what I'm aiming for.
The thing is, dipping one's toe into this stuff is like discovering electricity or the wheel for the first time all over again. It can certainly hurt you, but the potential is amazing. With it though, there are very dark forces at play and most of them are human in origin.
I can go deeper into that if you're interested but there's a lot of context. What you believe becomes true in your reality though, think about that in any way ranging from personal abilities to sacred experiences. Finding the absolute, what isn't relative, is the great work.
It's not quite like that actually, Moloch is at the top of the Qliphothic Tree of Death (The Dark Kaballah, if you study Rabnic literature at all)
Completely different entities.
As a practicing occultist, Moloch is extremely freaky. I work darker currents too.
From a magickal perspective he devours fate, or "potential."
Think about that. What has more potential "fate" than a baby? Or a fetus? You guys aren't wrong when you say Planned Parenthood is a ritualistic offering to Moloch. It's spot on and they gain immense favor with it.
Lucifer is often seen as a mirror image of Christ in an abstract way, depending on if people are theistic Luciferians or not. (Don't reply with a giant paragraph citing scripture to this part.. just mentioning archetypes discussed in this sphere, my beliefs are a bit different.)
I'm more into other currents, though I will say that even though my stuff tends to scare the living hell out of most Christians (respect if you are one, whatever brings you peace) there is indeed something EXTREMELY scary the whole species is up against and it's against everyone. It's a form of spiritual marxism and it's working remarkably well. Insidious. Most will never know.
It's not Luciferians or even Satanists you have to worry about, many are actually helping in ways you'll likely never believe. The war of the gods is waged within however and there is devil worship going on; though it's not the kind you'd want to know the full extent of. You've glimpsed the surface when you read about spirit cooking and adrenochrome.
It's real, and it makes perfect sense why they're doing it.
There's many shades of grey darker than the kneejerk most religious people go to. It's much much darker, and it's after everyone
I know this is going to sound like your typical Christian but delving in the occult isn't a good thing. There's forces there that you don't want to get involved in. It's like taking DMT from what I've heard. Oh yeah you could run into something good on the spiritual plane but more than likely you'll run into the forces of evil.
Very similar indeed, I've used it in my practice
I would be happy to continue this conversation - I can write a paragraph as well as the next guy but I prefer to type my thoughts rather than cite scripture to argue my point.
As a Protestant, I think I'm a special kind of Christian.
As someone who was raised agnostic, I can appreciate it more now.
As for your points about Moloch and other dark entities/forces of evil.. well.. That interests me. I've always wondered about the conundrum re: killing is bad, but vanquishing evil a no-brainer 'good'. I suspect it's a more complicated process (dying)... I expect it's some kind of mix between virtual realities, frequencies, timelines..etc..
I keep an open enough mind that the Bible stories can still jive with little blue human children coming out of the earth in england, pyramids buried, Antarctica (Adm Byrd), secret space programs, Nazis on the moon, Bermuda triangles etc etc etc...
I've been a fan of John Titor stories for a long time (I stumbled across his posts when they were hardly a year old) I think Moloch/Potential discussion is the most interesting because it ties directly into timeline theory.
It's a deep rabbit hole. In essence "nothing is true, everything is permitted."
If you've heard of simulation theory it allows for some very interesting stuff where everything is the same energy at the fundamental level and causality can be more than just the physics engine within the system.
Spirits could be AI constructs and god could be a 12 yearold kid playing a game like the Sims. It's twisted but truth is usually weird anyway.
If you study ceremonial magick and the history of the occult at all you'll find things got a bit weird around the 1970's when Chaos magick hit the scene. People left the secret orders like the OTO and the Golden Dawn and found it was all the same mechanisms dressed up as different traditions. They'd call on different forces and get similar results just the same, even inventing their own (Look up Servitors, yes this is all absolutely real and you can find out for yourself that firing a sigil is the same mechanism as wishing on a star or blowing out candles on your birthday.)
This is how the pharoah's magicians replicated what Moses and Aaron did. It wasn't using "the power of Satan" to do it like many claim. It was just using the laws of metaphysics to reverse engineer something and replicate it. The engineering in your phone or wristwatch is just as "satanic" as those acts were. It's a whole world to get lost in and it's beautiful.
Anyway this shows a lot of strange patterns reality tends to follow. The laws of the universe behave differently based on the observer, consciousness. One can engineer conincidence at the low end and at the higher end things get very very weird.. That's what I'm aiming for.
The thing is, dipping one's toe into this stuff is like discovering electricity or the wheel for the first time all over again. It can certainly hurt you, but the potential is amazing. With it though, there are very dark forces at play and most of them are human in origin.
I can go deeper into that if you're interested but there's a lot of context. What you believe becomes true in your reality though, think about that in any way ranging from personal abilities to sacred experiences. Finding the absolute, what isn't relative, is the great work.
Interdasting.