We need to begin protesting in mass for this type of shit. Enough is enough. Here in Western NY, all formal gyms are closed, yet I am allowed to go to Jiu Jitsu class six times a week and drill/spar as much as I want to, and Cuomo approves of it. Their rules and morals are so shallow it's nauseating.
The reason people protest and ultimately riot is because the legal system takes time and money and is designed to support the status quo. Which is usually good thing. The court is system is flawed in terms of fixing oppression of any kind.
rioting is not caused by those things, but by being given permission to riot. You'll find very little rioting in truly oppressed societies, like Soviet Russia. When a government is truly oppressive, riots and other actions of that sort are very ineffective. It's a law of power.
For example, do you think the rioting currently happening is because blacks in the cities are 'oppressed'? Or because they are poor, violent, and being given a pass? Do you think their rioting will end the problems for which they decided to riot? The answers here are obvious. Choose effective political action, if you must choose political action.
People making excuses to riot is not the same as being oppressed. You connected the two, not me. There is a long history of rioting, and effective violent confrontation in truly oppressed societies. It's in the margins that it goes astray.
We have been trying since April to organize mass protests but unfortunately here in The People's Republic of NJ, the libs and communists outnumber us and the best we can do is 500 people to a statewide rally. No, we need to conduct our fight in a courtroom.
I Have a Gut Felling That Ian is Playing the Long Game and is baiting this into a Supreme Court decision which (if he wins there) would set a business opening precedent for the rest of the oppressed business owners,
What makes you think those two gym owners are gonna quit now? Did you read the article? They're even quoted as saying "we're prepared to lose every battle to win the war."
Smith says nothing warrants the business to be shut down.
"We've all heard these public officials say 'science and data'...We are so confident in our process and in our safety protocol that if you can show us the science and data that proves Atilis Gym in Bellmawr poses more of a threat to the general public than any other place and should remain shut down, we will happily shut our doors," said Smith in a video posted to Instagram.
Smith says he will not back down.
"We are prepared to lose every single battle along the way to win the war," he said.
Still need a license to operate, even if your services are free --- not that i agree, but government has done a much better job closing loopholes lately.
My state has very large covid FAQ poster just to state no Mac mask exemptions for kids, medical, it religious reasons... The business should accommodate with online/curbside rather than let you in without a mask
Right, so blacks are allowed to eat at my restaurant, they just have to go around back to the pickup spot by the dumpsters where we do curbside pickup. Oh I mean, people who don't wear masks
The word "law" is very fluid in NJ, as everyone from your local cop and mayor to the "freeholder" (some retarded version of a state rep) and county judge are on the take that streams from the governor's office.
If you are protected by the person above you, you can literally do and claim almost anything. And it happens all the time.
Example: there's a man in a popular resort town
that owns a very popular deli, but works for the city public works as a grunt in the off-season. That's his contract. So what does he do? He doesn't collect a paycheck from his million+ dollar business because they live in an apartment upstairs, bills everything as an expense, and collects unemployment during the summer, while working full-time at the business.
Now, the only way he'd really get fucked is if someone above him in the union or city hall decided to make a stink to the labor commission, otherwise it's just an investigation the LC isn't into pursuing. Since he's a good egg and looks the other way with other schemes he witnessed people pull, nobody gives him a problem, and he siphons off tens of thousands every year being "seasonally unemployed". He's done it for decades.
If you are protected by the person above you, you can literally do and claim almost anything.
This is exactly how and why everything works like it does. If you've got a corrupt person at top, you'll have corruption all the way down. And if you've got a good person at top, stuff will only be good ontil until you hit a layer of corruption, then everyone under that person will be corrupt, apathetic, or incompetent.
You'll find good workers, but rarely any good people with any kind of decision making power or influence will exist in mamagement.
Justify? They didn't. Most business licenses are privileged and they don't need any real good reason to take them. I say let them take them and open without one. Cut em out of the picture
You better post armed security at the doors. The city won't take kindly to your business operating without a license. They'll send their uniformed thugs to shut you down. Again.
“Atilis Gym’s brazen conduct is abhorrent to an organized judicial system, jeopardizes the public health and the safety of New Jerseyans, and must not be tolerated,” the state Attorney General’s office has said. “It is clear that additional sanctions and relief are necessary to coerce Atilis Gym’s compliance with the court’s order.”
Yet everybody uses the legal name (birth certificate) instead, thereby placing themselves in the NEW CORPORATE Constitution (Act of 1871) "of the United States", instead of "for the United States".
NB: We are just in the beginning of a massive awakening!
Did they also arrest the people that tampered with and contaminated the water supply of this business, a fact which was incidentally cited in a demand to shutdown due to a lack of safety? Oh wait, that crime was committed by the city.
Tyrants, not law-makers or mayors. And health is the last concern of any of these people. Ordering millions of dollars of damage be committed against lawful people and their business interests should be treated like any other instance of this crime, with the perps going to prison.
The game now should be keeping the gym open and protesting at the houses of these council members and the Governor. Is what the first amendment is for, redress grievances to your Government.
Unfortunately, freedom loving right thinking folks do not tend to organize. Or maybe supporters are silent due to the Tryanny evident in NJ.
Vote against all bond measures locally (this is to force the government to remain as small as possible).
Organize conservatives in your local neighborhood / voting district to vote in blocs (like the Democrats). The only difference here, is that you will not be changing the votes of people, using fake ballots, etc.
Detail the histories of candidates (your local ballot) and spread the word on the good boys & girls to back (judges, council members, people elected to boards, etc.).
The long game is complicated, hard, and difficult to win, which is why a lot of us don't play. If we don't play it, we lose it.
I also bought a t-shirt from their website to power my workouts. I figure if those guys can stand up to the entire governance of New Jersey, I can do one more set.
But what if some retarded man-child tries to bench press too much and hurts themselves! That never happens at regular gyms, only dangerous, unlicensed ones!
Permits for businesses and licenses for jobs is nothing more than a way for the government to hold us ransom and be able to only let their people do what they want them to. Fuck these bastards.
Fuck this council. I hope the owners tell them to shove it and continue to stay open. Let them send the cops to arrest them yet again. If they try to fine them, refuse to pay it. Take this shit all the way to the SCOTUS if need be.
Police that are enforcing this need to lose their job when this is all said and done. They're there to protect us, not be a goon squad for the Democrats. Police are becoming political.
When this is over we need to completely obliterate the idea of a "police department" that was copied from the British model. No, we need sheriffs all across the board that serve the people. State police need to be abolished, alphabet agencies too.
Do the liberals not realize that at some point they will be made to answer for this shit. The myth of the pissed old white dude is going to manifest. These idiot politicians are gonna get shot in their doorways like that judges son and husband. By the way she didn't seem too broken up.
The real claim here is property rights and due process rights. "Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is a set of essential ideals but the right to property is the technical one here.
Their property rights were arbitrarily violated by a retaliatory government that issued and enforced unjustified and overbroad regulations and deprived them of their property interest in their business.
If Walmart and bars can be open there is no reason gyms, have to be closed.
Sadly not a thing confined to America. With even conservative governments getting increasingly pushed left in policy. The virus really could not have come at a worse time for the western world.
They are prepared to bring in laws (that won't be going anywhere for years) to force the population to turn on each other. If you don't turn in your fellow citizen they will put you out of work and trap you in your home.
Make them enforce it, and shoot any cops that show up to do so. They're traitors to their oath, the people they're supposed to protect, and the country it itself.
Heres a bigger question of freedom. Why the fuck should anyone need a license to have a big room where people pick up heavy objects and then put them down again?
The fucking pathetic thing is all the headlines on r/politics about how “the town” voted for this. NO. Fucking 6 Democrat assholes on the City Council voted for this shit. We need to support these gym owners.
Covid 19 has no legal basis. Only governor mandates. No law has been passed. No legal body has made a ruling on any single measurement taken against it.
How can a judge rule Corona violation are grounds for losing unconstitutional business licenses (free commerce clause between states).
clearly retaliation.....the message is clear....you will do whatever silly thing we say whenever the idea occurs to us or else......
Yet nobody is going to stand up against that ruling, this is where that story ends, because we live in a time of keyboard warriors.
We need to begin protesting in mass for this type of shit. Enough is enough. Here in Western NY, all formal gyms are closed, yet I am allowed to go to Jiu Jitsu class six times a week and drill/spar as much as I want to, and Cuomo approves of it. Their rules and morals are so shallow it's nauseating.
mass protesting doesn't do anything. Targeted legal action may. Maybe even call up the totem pole... you know, that big white house
The reason people protest and ultimately riot is because the legal system takes time and money and is designed to support the status quo. Which is usually good thing. The court is system is flawed in terms of fixing oppression of any kind.
rioting is not caused by those things, but by being given permission to riot. You'll find very little rioting in truly oppressed societies, like Soviet Russia. When a government is truly oppressive, riots and other actions of that sort are very ineffective. It's a law of power.
For example, do you think the rioting currently happening is because blacks in the cities are 'oppressed'? Or because they are poor, violent, and being given a pass? Do you think their rioting will end the problems for which they decided to riot? The answers here are obvious. Choose effective political action, if you must choose political action.
People making excuses to riot is not the same as being oppressed. You connected the two, not me. There is a long history of rioting, and effective violent confrontation in truly oppressed societies. It's in the margins that it goes astray.
they are in practice one and the same
find a patron
Western New yorker here, Cuomo is a piece of human shit.
We have been trying since April to organize mass protests but unfortunately here in The People's Republic of NJ, the libs and communists outnumber us and the best we can do is 500 people to a statewide rally. No, we need to conduct our fight in a courtroom.
You live in Jersey?
Nope, I live in a free state.
Will not comply
Amen
I Have a Gut Felling That Ian is Playing the Long Game and is baiting this into a Supreme Court decision which (if he wins there) would set a business opening precedent for the rest of the oppressed business owners,
Yea I have my own business and they can come and take me!
What makes you think those two gym owners are gonna quit now? Did you read the article? They're even quoted as saying "we're prepared to lose every battle to win the war."
This story isn't over.
"We've all heard these public officials say 'science and data'...We are so confident in our process and in our safety protocol that if you can show us the science and data that proves Atilis Gym in Bellmawr poses more of a threat to the general public than any other place and should remain shut down, we will happily shut our doors," said Smith in a video posted to Instagram.
Smith says he will not back down.
"We are prepared to lose every single battle along the way to win the war," he said.
The gym owner is standing up to that.
License? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING LICENSE!
Time to become a private fitness club that operates on donations.
Underground Fightclub?
Time to become a personal gym that friends are permitted to use on a subscription basis.
Oi you got a loicense for that excercise your doing?
I'd open up as a free gym. Put out a donation bucket. Fuck their licensjng
Still need a license to operate, even if your services are free --- not that i agree, but government has done a much better job closing loopholes lately.
My state has very large covid FAQ poster just to state no Mac mask exemptions for kids, medical, it religious reasons... The business should accommodate with online/curbside rather than let you in without a mask
Right, so blacks are allowed to eat at my restaurant, they just have to go around back to the pickup spot by the dumpsters where we do curbside pickup. Oh I mean, people who don't wear masks
I just refuse to do business / rent to joggers
What? You gonna lift things without a license? You crazy, bro??
We're a running joke in the UK with how over-regulated and spineless we are.
What is the logic supporting Bellmawr's action, if the underlying "law" is NOT legal?
The word "law" is very fluid in NJ, as everyone from your local cop and mayor to the "freeholder" (some retarded version of a state rep) and county judge are on the take that streams from the governor's office.
If you are protected by the person above you, you can literally do and claim almost anything. And it happens all the time.
Example: there's a man in a popular resort town that owns a very popular deli, but works for the city public works as a grunt in the off-season. That's his contract. So what does he do? He doesn't collect a paycheck from his million+ dollar business because they live in an apartment upstairs, bills everything as an expense, and collects unemployment during the summer, while working full-time at the business.
Now, the only way he'd really get fucked is if someone above him in the union or city hall decided to make a stink to the labor commission, otherwise it's just an investigation the LC isn't into pursuing. Since he's a good egg and looks the other way with other schemes he witnessed people pull, nobody gives him a problem, and he siphons off tens of thousands every year being "seasonally unemployed". He's done it for decades.
That's New Jersey, in a nutshell.
Your deli guy runs a money laundering business.
This is exactly correct.
Can’t say freeholder anymore dats racist
True, it's so rude to Morgan Freeman
This is exactly how and why everything works like it does. If you've got a corrupt person at top, you'll have corruption all the way down. And if you've got a good person at top, stuff will only be good ontil until you hit a layer of corruption, then everyone under that person will be corrupt, apathetic, or incompetent.
You'll find good workers, but rarely any good people with any kind of decision making power or influence will exist in mamagement.
Justify? They didn't. Most business licenses are privileged and they don't need any real good reason to take them. I say let them take them and open without one. Cut em out of the picture
You better post armed security at the doors. The city won't take kindly to your business operating without a license. They'll send their uniformed thugs to shut you down. Again.
That is the path that this tryannical behavior leads to
The cops who enforce this are as guilty as Murphy himself
That's how.
The logic is likely not incurring the wrath of King Murphy.
Exactly sir upvote
Yet everybody uses the legal name (birth certificate) instead, thereby placing themselves in the NEW CORPORATE Constitution (Act of 1871) "of the United States", instead of "for the United States".
NB: We are just in the beginning of a massive awakening!
Don't forget to breathe (BLM-pun not intended).
Did they also arrest the people that tampered with and contaminated the water supply of this business, a fact which was incidentally cited in a demand to shutdown due to a lack of safety? Oh wait, that crime was committed by the city.
Tyrants, not law-makers or mayors. And health is the last concern of any of these people. Ordering millions of dollars of damage be committed against lawful people and their business interests should be treated like any other instance of this crime, with the perps going to prison.
No - you don't understand: those people were helping, duh. The law is whatever your boss wants to accomplish in NJ.
More fodder for the lawsuit.
Donate to them here https://www.gofundme.com/f/mk6ez-atilis-bellmawr-court-relief
Donations are a short term solution, and hurts you in the long run (before your own job gets taken out because of the causes you support).
We need to shift to a longer game and counter the Liberal Left-fags & Marxist-Communists at their own long game.
Ok how?
The game now should be keeping the gym open and protesting at the houses of these council members and the Governor. Is what the first amendment is for, redress grievances to your Government.
Unfortunately, freedom loving right thinking folks do not tend to organize. Or maybe supporters are silent due to the Tryanny evident in NJ.
I miss the Tea Party.
Vote consistently for conservatives.
Vote against all bond measures locally (this is to force the government to remain as small as possible).
Organize conservatives in your local neighborhood / voting district to vote in blocs (like the Democrats). The only difference here, is that you will not be changing the votes of people, using fake ballots, etc.
Detail the histories of candidates (your local ballot) and spread the word on the good boys & girls to back (judges, council members, people elected to boards, etc.).
The long game is complicated, hard, and difficult to win, which is why a lot of us don't play. If we don't play it, we lose it.
It's up almost 10k from when I posted the url. Nice work!
I also bought a t-shirt from their website to power my workouts. I figure if those guys can stand up to the entire governance of New Jersey, I can do one more set.
How long before GoFundMe takes that down? They've proven themselves cancel-culture cucks on too many occasions to count.
The thing here that should piss people off is that there's a fucking permit required to operate a gym.
But what if some retarded man-child tries to bench press too much and hurts themselves! That never happens at regular gyms, only dangerous, unlicensed ones!
Think of the children!
You need a permit to open any business, which is ridiculous.
Permits for businesses and licenses for jobs is nothing more than a way for the government to hold us ransom and be able to only let their people do what they want them to. Fuck these bastards.
I want to see "right-to-operate" enshrined in the Constitution, and upheld by a bench of originalists who make Clarence Thomas look like RBG.
Your permit is called the US Constitution.
Fuck this council. I hope the owners tell them to shove it and continue to stay open. Let them send the cops to arrest them yet again. If they try to fine them, refuse to pay it. Take this shit all the way to the SCOTUS if need be.
This is why governments shouldn't be allowed to require licenses or permits.
Governments should not have been given 75% of the power that they currently have.
We didn't give them shit they just took it. And are we going to take it back? I doubt it at this point
They've already gotten this far... they should continue to operate anyways.
"It's no longer a business, it's a peaceful protest"
"It's not a business, it's a private gym for some of my close friends."
Police that are enforcing this need to lose their job when this is all said and done. They're there to protect us, not be a goon squad for the Democrats. Police are becoming political.
Becoming? That has been going on since the dawn of policing.
When this is over we need to completely obliterate the idea of a "police department" that was copied from the British model. No, we need sheriffs all across the board that serve the people. State police need to be abolished, alphabet agencies too.
100%
Hanging, firing squad. I swear. They are peaceful now, but I support real anti-fascism.
Do the liberals not realize that at some point they will be made to answer for this shit. The myth of the pissed old white dude is going to manifest. These idiot politicians are gonna get shot in their doorways like that judges son and husband. By the way she didn't seem too broken up.
I think it's obvious that you nor me or anyone here is gonna do anything.
How many have been shot so far? By my count, only Republicans at baseball games are getting shot.
Don't forget about the 5 year old white kids shot for riding their bikes in the driveway. The media sure did..
They hey should have brought in a bunch of bags of chips and called it a restaurant.
The gym's merch shop is now accepting orders... just saying....
Just ordered a bunch of gear. Fuck NJ's government.
These men are being denied their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The real claim here is property rights and due process rights. "Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is a set of essential ideals but the right to property is the technical one here.
Their property rights were arbitrarily violated by a retaliatory government that issued and enforced unjustified and overbroad regulations and deprived them of their property interest in their business.
If Walmart and bars can be open there is no reason gyms, have to be closed.
They'll win this but it's going to take a while.
The right to property is the means to life liberty and happiness.
Most people who say "the pursuit of happiness" don't know that it's originally "property".
All politics are local, according to Rich Zeoli. If there is any hope left in Jersey you people mus get the word out now! Make them pay.
There's no such thing as COVID-19 violations.
Start a non profit organization with gym equipment.
I don't understand why he can't open, but climbing gyms CAN. You can do your own thing and be separated.
That's why the law is overbroad and arbitrary, and the retaliatory enforcement is unjustified.
Collective punishment.
Sadly not a thing confined to America. With even conservative governments getting increasingly pushed left in policy. The virus really could not have come at a worse time for the western world.
They are prepared to bring in laws (that won't be going anywhere for years) to force the population to turn on each other. If you don't turn in your fellow citizen they will put you out of work and trap you in your home.
This is not America, WTF is wrong with New Jersey?
Make them enforce it, and shoot any cops that show up to do so. They're traitors to their oath, the people they're supposed to protect, and the country it itself.
Is planet fitness not open there?
Stop voting Democrat. You only get tyranny.
New Jersey pedes, maybe it's time to arm yourselves, surround Bellmawr city hall?
Sue the bastards into oblivion. Sue them personally. Make them pay individually, not the taxpayers.
Time to start working out at city hall. With armed militia guarding them.
They need to sue, licenses are the BS regulations that we need to kill to get America back on track
Oi, you got a license to setup some gym equipment?!
Heres a bigger question of freedom. Why the fuck should anyone need a license to have a big room where people pick up heavy objects and then put them down again?
Didn't Trump tap some Doctor from Stanford to be his new health advisor?
I don't recognize their authority. Why must Socialists bother this honest businessman.
Anyone who lives in New Jersey funds this terrorism with their taxes. Move out of New Jersey or this is on you too!
Lawsuit inbound.
They aren’t tyrants until the people drag them into the streets and guillotine them
What are "covid 19 violations"? Show me the law. Not the unconstitutional edict, the law.
Imagine needing a license to run a business, and even more so one granted by people who have never run a business.
The fucking pathetic thing is all the headlines on r/politics about how “the town” voted for this. NO. Fucking 6 Democrat assholes on the City Council voted for this shit. We need to support these gym owners.
These guys are heroes
Healthy subjects are bad for public health. War is peace. And now for our 6 PM Thirty Minute Hate news broadcast.
Winning there branches of govt will solve this. Couldn't happen at first cause we had people like RINO RYAN I power.
Vote? That's not how democracy works
"I say we blow their fucking houses up" ~Booger, ROTN
Psst.
This is America. We never needed licenses for our businesses.
Covid 19 has no legal basis. Only governor mandates. No law has been passed. No legal body has made a ruling on any single measurement taken against it.
How can a judge rule Corona violation are grounds for losing unconstitutional business licenses (free commerce clause between states).
I guess all protests are not created equal...
Keep opening the gym, at all costs