I'm not disagreeing with you, but a lot of people don't understand the difference between an antibody test vs. the test to see if you currently have the virus.
The antibody test in particular is the one that can't differentiate between coronavirus and SARS-CoV-2.
I doubt even most County or Federal Health Department workers know the difference either. LPN nursing doesn't go very deep into hard science, and I'd bet most nurses brain dump that shit as soon as exams are over because most of their job is more about treatment and paperwork procedure versus in-depth hard science.
Same goes for most of the doctors too. I'd wager the majority are family practice specialties, which doesn't exactly require one to maintain any kind of detailed knowledge on virology and/or immunology. They fix booboos and ouchies and give yearly shots. Anything requiring more than that, they send up the chain to a specialist.
PCR test is also plagued with false positives. Even the inventor of the test said it’s especially susceptible to false positives (false negatives do happen but the nature of this method skews far to the false positive). Every test has the potential to give a false positive and it’s heavily influenced by the tech that runs it. If you run enough cycles there is a point where it will throw a positive.
This is dangerous in so many ways. Let's assume the virus actually is deadly for the sake of argument. False positives will allocate much needed resources to people who don't need it, including contract tracing on someone who never had it. False positives could swing the mortality in either direction. If they test everyone in the hospital, someone dying of plain old renal failure or cancer with a false positive would increase the mortality rate. On the other end, routine testing of healthy people would decrease the "mortality rate" since they obviously can't die from a false positive.
Basically, garbage data leads to garbage conclusions.
It depends on the jurisdiction. My county health department does not include antibody tests. They only report confirmed COVID-19 cases, with the nose swab and a PCR.
I won't claim my entire state does this, because I don't follow the 200+ counties. But, my state mandates that all confirmed cases require a PCR test. They have a separate classification for ""probable" cases, and a positive antibody test is only considered "probable" if the symptoms meet the clinical criteria.
Some counties in my state may be combining "confirmed" and "probable" cases in their reporting. But, my county does not.
Yes, you did. I was expounding on your point, using my particular county as an example.
My county health department posts a summary of confirmed cases and confirmed deaths on Facebook every day. And nearly every day, someone that just started reading it asks about antibody tests.
I think the person making the health dept. post has a copypasta to reply every time: "No, we only report confirmed cases. We do not collect or report antibody test results".
Spez: state guidelines permit the use of antibody tests to count a case as probable, if the patient is also exhibiting symptoms at the time. But, it's not clear (to me) if all counties are excluding it from the new cases they report to the state every day.
I was absent when this happened, can you link me to a source for the double counting? I can see where the false positive accusations are coming from but I don’t know where the double dipping accusation is coming from. I assume this was covered early when I wasn’t active.
It's worse than merely double counting. tons of people got out of line instead of waiting hours to be tested. They were given positive test results.
Tons of Drs have sent off 6 tests that were never used to get tested, and had them all return positive.
We should be going by Dr diagnosis, and immediately giving medicine to those at risk. This could've been brought to a screeching halt in March! 40+ Governors are mass murderers. We should file class action lawsuits, both civil and criminal, against their every act of tyranny. Then physically remove them from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder.
That video is over 2 hours long and I'm not saying it's not worth watching the whole thing. 16:15 shows a screen shot of one major problem. 15:30 introduces this speaker, who is a purple haired land whale that starts at 16:00. Or maybe that's a Muslim head covering over more normal hair? Either way, we see what it takes to peddle this bs.
Easily multiply actual cases by 10. Deaths? Who knows, but it's exaggerated and many Drs from all over the Country have come forward about this.
Look at the total death rate from all causes and we are below 2019 and all other recent years. That could not happen if we were dealing with a deadly pandemic.
For the antibody test, yes.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but a lot of people don't understand the difference between an antibody test vs. the test to see if you currently have the virus.
The antibody test in particular is the one that can't differentiate between coronavirus and SARS-CoV-2.
Yeah, the conflating of tests is ridiculous. I'm torn between it being incompetence or political malice to inflate bad numbers.
I doubt even most County or Federal Health Department workers know the difference either. LPN nursing doesn't go very deep into hard science, and I'd bet most nurses brain dump that shit as soon as exams are over because most of their job is more about treatment and paperwork procedure versus in-depth hard science.
Same goes for most of the doctors too. I'd wager the majority are family practice specialties, which doesn't exactly require one to maintain any kind of detailed knowledge on virology and/or immunology. They fix booboos and ouchies and give yearly shots. Anything requiring more than that, they send up the chain to a specialist.
PCR test is also plagued with false positives. Even the inventor of the test said it’s especially susceptible to false positives (false negatives do happen but the nature of this method skews far to the false positive). Every test has the potential to give a false positive and it’s heavily influenced by the tech that runs it. If you run enough cycles there is a point where it will throw a positive.
Yes! IABS - It's all bullshit.
65 x running the PCR and everyone's positive. So they stop at 38. Close enough for nuclear bombs, horseshoes - and government work.
Accuracy isn't even attempted. It's all about installing OWG.
This is dangerous in so many ways. Let's assume the virus actually is deadly for the sake of argument. False positives will allocate much needed resources to people who don't need it, including contract tracing on someone who never had it. False positives could swing the mortality in either direction. If they test everyone in the hospital, someone dying of plain old renal failure or cancer with a false positive would increase the mortality rate. On the other end, routine testing of healthy people would decrease the "mortality rate" since they obviously can't die from a false positive.
Basically, garbage data leads to garbage conclusions.
This is literally what happened with Alyssa Milano. Who tested negative on the pcr test.
BUT SHE'S LOSING HER HAIR
It depends on the jurisdiction. My county health department does not include antibody tests. They only report confirmed COVID-19 cases, with the nose swab and a PCR.
I won't claim my entire state does this, because I don't follow the 200+ counties. But, my state mandates that all confirmed cases require a PCR test. They have a separate classification for ""probable" cases, and a positive antibody test is only considered "probable" if the symptoms meet the clinical criteria.
Some counties in my state may be combining "confirmed" and "probable" cases in their reporting. But, my county does not.
Yes, you did. I was expounding on your point, using my particular county as an example.
My county health department posts a summary of confirmed cases and confirmed deaths on Facebook every day. And nearly every day, someone that just started reading it asks about antibody tests.
I think the person making the health dept. post has a copypasta to reply every time: "No, we only report confirmed cases. We do not collect or report antibody test results".
Spez: state guidelines permit the use of antibody tests to count a case as probable, if the patient is also exhibiting symptoms at the time. But, it's not clear (to me) if all counties are excluding it from the new cases they report to the state every day.
goldfish...
I was absent when this happened, can you link me to a source for the double counting? I can see where the false positive accusations are coming from but I don’t know where the double dipping accusation is coming from. I assume this was covered early when I wasn’t active.
It's worse than merely double counting. tons of people got out of line instead of waiting hours to be tested. They were given positive test results.
Tons of Drs have sent off 6 tests that were never used to get tested, and had them all return positive.
We should be going by Dr diagnosis, and immediately giving medicine to those at risk. This could've been brought to a screeching halt in March! 40+ Governors are mass murderers. We should file class action lawsuits, both civil and criminal, against their every act of tyranny. Then physically remove them from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder.
That video is over 2 hours long and I'm not saying it's not worth watching the whole thing. 16:15 shows a screen shot of one major problem. 15:30 introduces this speaker, who is a purple haired land whale that starts at 16:00. Or maybe that's a Muslim head covering over more normal hair? Either way, we see what it takes to peddle this bs.
Easily multiply actual cases by 10. Deaths? Who knows, but it's exaggerated and many Drs from all over the Country have come forward about this.
Look at the total death rate from all causes and we are below 2019 and all other recent years. That could not happen if we were dealing with a deadly pandemic.