I apologize for being pedantic, but technically, that was the average life expectancy. People didn't just flop over dead at 35. The average was very low because so many children died in infancy or from injury/infection that would be easily treatable today. If you did survive childhood, you could expect a long life, barring any unfortunate accident (or the Black Death). There's an interesting book about everyday life in Victorian times that describes the recommended diet for young children - it's shocking any of the poor things survived at all!
Infection was a stinker! According to legend, the first person given penicillin (as a test because he was dying anyway) got sepsis after scratching himself on a rosebush. He got better quite quickly at first, but unfortunately they didn't have enough made, so he ended up dying.
Most people's perceptions of history are poor - especially the Middle Ages. They think people shuffled around in rags making mud pies in fields, like a Monty Python movie, but their lives were much more...everything, than thought. The Victorian Era was similar to the US in living standards, the upper lower class and middle class lived very well. Sure, medicine was poor, compared to now, but people still lived happy, healthy, fulfilling lives.
The more you learn real history, the more you learn most people don't have a fucking clue about it, except what they see in poorly researched (if at all) movies.
It really wasn't "western medicine" that increased life expectancy. It was mainly plumbing, having a toilet, bath, sink with running water. Add to that automobiles and electricity. Once those came into society all deaths from disease plummeted.
Of course the plummet in disease gets credited to vaccines by mainstream science, of course running water and washing your hands had nothing to do with it!
Even the father of Germ Theory himself admitted Terrain Theory was correct before he died.
Germs cause disease, but it depends more on whether or not your body is healthy. Not every person will get sick from every germ because there Many factors that affect your immune system.
Eating nutritious foods (and supplementing with extra vitamins and minerals), exercising, and getting enough sleep will do more for your health than general pharmaceuticals.
It was Western medicine along with many other things you mention. Running water and washing your hands is a Western thing. It "came into society" along with all the other gifts to the world from the West. Such as vaccinations for previously deadly diseases, like smallpox.
I'd argue that vaccinations had nothing to do with it. Plumbing, automobiles, refrigeration, etc. had everything to do with it. If you look at the charts for polio and smallpox, they had already decreased dramatically before the vaccines were even introduced.
But of course, once the disease is already eradicated, vaccines came into save the day so now we get to hear the false parroting "vaccines cured polio" by NPCs.
The disease was not eradicated pre-vaccine, though. Polio is still around, but not in the West. Smallpox existed for THOUSANDS of years and wasn't fully eradicated until after the vaccine. Even into the 1970s there were still a handful of cases.
I'm not a vaccine cheerleader by any means (I never get a flu shot and I don't trust the china virus vaccine narrative at all) but it wasn't simply sanitation and handwashing that led to diseases disappearing. If that were the case, they wouldn't be reappearing. But that's exactly what we're seeing - outbreaks in the US of things like pertussis in areas with two factors: lower vaccination rates and higher levels of disease carriers (usually illegals).
You could keep exactly the same sanitation/handwashing levels and eliminate vaccines and you would absolutely see vaccine-controlled diseases return.
Hey WiseToad, New Pede here. We have a saying in the plumbing trade, Plumbers prevent diseases, doctors cure them. When I explain that to NPC's I'm generally told that plumbing is racist because you know patriarchy and I'm a bigot. Of course, until they have a plumbing problem, then, I am a saint. Anyway here is an article I use to try and break their programming, you might like it.
There is an odd tendency to think of ancestors as somehow less evolved, or just stupid because they didn't think or do things just as a modern person does. There are some really great channels on YouTube with real historians talking about life in the Middle Ages - you can even see how armor, food, all sorts of things looked and functioned. Then someone in the comments always insists "but they never bathed, and they threw sewage out the window onto people below, and they were all smelly and dirty!" It's been debunked a hundred times, just like all the silly corset myths.
The biggest myth is that they never bathed, and thought it unhealthy. They didn't. They had washtubs, they heated water, they had soap. They even cleaned their teeth. The Romans brought an even bigger bath game to the areas they conquered - they're still digging Roman baths up in England.
That young child diet - how much of it was bacon grease? You know, stored in a coffee can on the stove. Pretty sure that has to be added to everything if you're a Brit. Probably in your tea.
It's been a few years since I read it, but it was very nutrient-poor. The bulk of it was porridge kind of stuff, bread and butter. They thought fresh fruit might be dangerous, so that always had to be well cooked and not too much.
The book was "How to be a Victorian," by Ruth Goodman. She was also involved in a some marvelous shows where they lived on historic farms. You get to see how the house is set up and how she did housekeeping, and then two (male) archaeologists did the farming and animal husbandry using period machines.
Carbs carbs and more carbs! Fresh fruit is dangerous; sounds like the adults wanted to keep that for themselves. I bet the successful farmers raised their kids better than that. Amazing how much hardship our species survived, not that long ago.
If I recall correctly, the fresh fruit thing might have been a fear of diarrhea, since there were some deadly diseases that involved diarrhea. And you're right, there were definitely differences between city kids and farm kids, plus it's hard to know just how many or which groups followed the official recommendations. I believe meat in poor families was often reserved for the dads or older sons who were working the hard graft jobs. If they could only get a little meat, they'd give it to the one who was bringing home the bacon, so he'd be strong enough for 12 hours in the coal mine or whatever. We've got some pretty sturdy ancestors!
That we do. My Mom's Mom was born on the boat, coming over from England. The 13th child. One of her many brothers, born 19 years later, was the first soldier into battle on D-Day. He survived the whole ordeal including the Battle of Bastogne, came home in one piece physically and mentally, and lived in his hometown the rest of his life. I know exactly what my Uncle Frank was made of and I tell people that correctly say we need men like that today that most of us are made of the same "stuff." The only thing exceptional about him was determination, and the people here have that in spades, as well as a common will. While the right doesn't organize, I'd at least like to plan ...
That's true of politicians in general. If they actually fixed anything they'd be out of work. That's one of the reasons why Trump is such a great man for the job. He's not looking to make a career out of this.
Find a statement of his where he doesn't seem to have dementia. At any age. I'll wait. They weren't all gaffes, and he's suffered recent mental decline, but he was ALWAYS a space cadet.
He enriched the Biden family by collecting bribes and no-show jobs from MBNA - in return for passing legislation to remove bankruptcy protection from credit-card users.
You know, the same people who are in the streets screaming about their ruinous debt-loads, thinking that Trump did it to them.
Senator Biden was the chief architect of the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 that criminalized the possession of anabolic steroids for non-medical purposes. Biden also wrote the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 which opened the door for significantly harsher penalties for steroid possession and steroid distribution; this has resulted in the increased prosecution of steroid users over the past few years who are treated as dangerous criminals with the worst penalties for the non-medical use of steroids in history. Senator Biden has been on his anti-steroid crusade for almost two decades.
That’s perspective right there. When Joe Biden was getting put in a limo and taken to the Senate, my parents were putting me in a ‘64 Dodge and bringing me home from the maternity ward at the hospital. Fucker has been leeching the nation dry for LITERALLY my entire life.
only libs are dumb enough to believe somebody who did nothing for 48 years only needs 4 more years to do something. hell look at chicago. it's 100 years of straight lib rule.
I hopped over to reddit recently and a leftist was trying to argue that even though Joe had been in office that long, that Trump was the problem with America now.
Honestly what in the blue hell has Biden done to help move our country forward? Nothing! What has Biden done to help the average American citizens? NOTHING!! This racist senile grifter has been profiting off our paychecks and restricting our constitutional rights and more. The world would be better if Pedo Joe dropped dead!
Fun Fact: The average reign of an English king was about 15 years.
Life expectancy was 35 back then lol
I apologize for being pedantic, but technically, that was the average life expectancy. People didn't just flop over dead at 35. The average was very low because so many children died in infancy or from injury/infection that would be easily treatable today. If you did survive childhood, you could expect a long life, barring any unfortunate accident (or the Black Death). There's an interesting book about everyday life in Victorian times that describes the recommended diet for young children - it's shocking any of the poor things survived at all!
Was gonna bring up this point. Plenty of people lived well into old age.
It was the wild cards that killed you more.
Bad Hang nail infection etc etc a lot of men and some women lived to be very old.
Child birth killed tons of women. Not unheard of to see a man thrice widowed with lots of kids
110% of the people died due to tooth abscess infections, usually around age 14.
Infection was a stinker! According to legend, the first person given penicillin (as a test because he was dying anyway) got sepsis after scratching himself on a rosebush. He got better quite quickly at first, but unfortunately they didn't have enough made, so he ended up dying.
Most people's perceptions of history are poor - especially the Middle Ages. They think people shuffled around in rags making mud pies in fields, like a Monty Python movie, but their lives were much more...everything, than thought. The Victorian Era was similar to the US in living standards, the upper lower class and middle class lived very well. Sure, medicine was poor, compared to now, but people still lived happy, healthy, fulfilling lives. The more you learn real history, the more you learn most people don't have a fucking clue about it, except what they see in poorly researched (if at all) movies.
It really wasn't "western medicine" that increased life expectancy. It was mainly plumbing, having a toilet, bath, sink with running water. Add to that automobiles and electricity. Once those came into society all deaths from disease plummeted.
Of course the plummet in disease gets credited to vaccines by mainstream science, of course running water and washing your hands had nothing to do with it!
Even the father of Germ Theory himself admitted Terrain Theory was correct before he died.
Germs cause disease, but it depends more on whether or not your body is healthy. Not every person will get sick from every germ because there Many factors that affect your immune system.
Eating nutritious foods (and supplementing with extra vitamins and minerals), exercising, and getting enough sleep will do more for your health than general pharmaceuticals.
It was Western medicine along with many other things you mention. Running water and washing your hands is a Western thing. It "came into society" along with all the other gifts to the world from the West. Such as vaccinations for previously deadly diseases, like smallpox.
I'd argue that vaccinations had nothing to do with it. Plumbing, automobiles, refrigeration, etc. had everything to do with it. If you look at the charts for polio and smallpox, they had already decreased dramatically before the vaccines were even introduced.
But of course, once the disease is already eradicated, vaccines came into save the day so now we get to hear the false parroting "vaccines cured polio" by NPCs.
The disease was not eradicated pre-vaccine, though. Polio is still around, but not in the West. Smallpox existed for THOUSANDS of years and wasn't fully eradicated until after the vaccine. Even into the 1970s there were still a handful of cases.
I'm not a vaccine cheerleader by any means (I never get a flu shot and I don't trust the china virus vaccine narrative at all) but it wasn't simply sanitation and handwashing that led to diseases disappearing. If that were the case, they wouldn't be reappearing. But that's exactly what we're seeing - outbreaks in the US of things like pertussis in areas with two factors: lower vaccination rates and higher levels of disease carriers (usually illegals).
You could keep exactly the same sanitation/handwashing levels and eliminate vaccines and you would absolutely see vaccine-controlled diseases return.
Hey WiseToad, New Pede here. We have a saying in the plumbing trade, Plumbers prevent diseases, doctors cure them. When I explain that to NPC's I'm generally told that plumbing is racist because you know patriarchy and I'm a bigot. Of course, until they have a plumbing problem, then, I am a saint. Anyway here is an article I use to try and break their programming, you might like it.
HOW PLUMBING (NOT VACCINES) ERADICATED DISEASE
There is an odd tendency to think of ancestors as somehow less evolved, or just stupid because they didn't think or do things just as a modern person does. There are some really great channels on YouTube with real historians talking about life in the Middle Ages - you can even see how armor, food, all sorts of things looked and functioned. Then someone in the comments always insists "but they never bathed, and they threw sewage out the window onto people below, and they were all smelly and dirty!" It's been debunked a hundred times, just like all the silly corset myths.
The biggest myth is that they never bathed, and thought it unhealthy. They didn't. They had washtubs, they heated water, they had soap. They even cleaned their teeth. The Romans brought an even bigger bath game to the areas they conquered - they're still digging Roman baths up in England.
That young child diet - how much of it was bacon grease? You know, stored in a coffee can on the stove. Pretty sure that has to be added to everything if you're a Brit. Probably in your tea.
It's been a few years since I read it, but it was very nutrient-poor. The bulk of it was porridge kind of stuff, bread and butter. They thought fresh fruit might be dangerous, so that always had to be well cooked and not too much.
The book was "How to be a Victorian," by Ruth Goodman. She was also involved in a some marvelous shows where they lived on historic farms. You get to see how the house is set up and how she did housekeeping, and then two (male) archaeologists did the farming and animal husbandry using period machines.
Carbs carbs and more carbs! Fresh fruit is dangerous; sounds like the adults wanted to keep that for themselves. I bet the successful farmers raised their kids better than that. Amazing how much hardship our species survived, not that long ago.
If I recall correctly, the fresh fruit thing might have been a fear of diarrhea, since there were some deadly diseases that involved diarrhea. And you're right, there were definitely differences between city kids and farm kids, plus it's hard to know just how many or which groups followed the official recommendations. I believe meat in poor families was often reserved for the dads or older sons who were working the hard graft jobs. If they could only get a little meat, they'd give it to the one who was bringing home the bacon, so he'd be strong enough for 12 hours in the coal mine or whatever. We've got some pretty sturdy ancestors!
That we do. My Mom's Mom was born on the boat, coming over from England. The 13th child. One of her many brothers, born 19 years later, was the first soldier into battle on D-Day. He survived the whole ordeal including the Battle of Bastogne, came home in one piece physically and mentally, and lived in his hometown the rest of his life. I know exactly what my Uncle Frank was made of and I tell people that correctly say we need men like that today that most of us are made of the same "stuff." The only thing exceptional about him was determination, and the people here have that in spades, as well as a common will. While the right doesn't organize, I'd at least like to plan ...
Yup.
Imagine hitting 30 and you either die of a flu, or an assassin.
Must have been fun to be King. /S
That or your own peasants flog you or something. Or the multitude of other fun execution methods. Those were the days...
Say what you want about monarchy, but at least they had term limits. :D
Problem is 1 term lasted the rest of their life 😂
Not sure why I laughed my ass off on that comment but thanks pede
Average reign of a Roman Emperor was only 8 years.
And their leading cause of death was the Praetorian Guard
That's true of politicians in general. If they actually fixed anything they'd be out of work. That's one of the reasons why Trump is such a great man for the job. He's not looking to make a career out of this.
48 years of self serving self interest. Well that and being wrong on every foreign policy, and the angry back biting jerk of the senate.
And let's not forget all the blatant lies and racism.
Racism codified in legislation. Systemic racism, you might call it.
Or looting countries. The Ukraine would like you to remember that.
Find a statement of his where he doesn't seem to have dementia. At any age. I'll wait. They weren't all gaffes, and he's suffered recent mental decline, but he was ALWAYS a space cadet.
Can anyone even tell us what he accomplished in Congress other than hanging out with racists and Klandsmen?
He enriched the Biden family by collecting bribes and no-show jobs from MBNA - in return for passing legislation to remove bankruptcy protection from credit-card users.
You know, the same people who are in the streets screaming about their ruinous debt-loads, thinking that Trump did it to them.
big truth here
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/10/14/hunter-biden-was-paid-consultant-at-age-21-to-large-credit-card-co-while-dad-helped-credit-card-industry-with-legislation-839084
"Hunter Biden was paid consultant at age 21 to large credit card co. while dad helped credit card industry with legislation"
Holy shit I didn't realize you can't declare bankruptcy on a credit card anymore!
He made mandatory 5 year prison sentences for small amounts of drugs.
Dude must have been beaten up as a kid.
Corn Pop was a bad hombre
Klandsmen, those must be the clandestine racists I keep hearing about!
I see Grenell has adopted Trump's subtle misspellings to rile people up as well.
He isn't popular enough for anyone to care, so it looks like a mistake on his part.
Just saying. I didn't know who he was until people started posting his tweets here.
Show his income levels for the past 48 years.
Worth $9M. You and I starting out at $40k 48 years ago would not have $9M especially with no books or accomplishments of any kind.
Hunter is worth two billion. Check all of his Chinese stocks.
I'm sure he is worth way more than that. His son made a lot more as well being a drug addict.
And yet nobody is going to demand his tax returns I'd bet lol.
I bet in Trumps 3 years in office so far he has accomplished more than Biden in 48 years.
I'd be confused too if I had to deal with those 'tards for 48 years.
Love the GEOTUS-influenced misspelling of "FOURTY".
"I will teach you how to win!"
Is that what it is? I'm confused.
That's change we can believe in.
Almost as long as he's been fucking children. Do pedos get a coin at the 50 year mark or something?
Joe Biden has been in office so long, he still rails against "The Man" by saying "c'mon man".
That’s perspective right there. When Joe Biden was getting put in a limo and taken to the Senate, my parents were putting me in a ‘64 Dodge and bringing me home from the maternity ward at the hospital. Fucker has been leeching the nation dry for LITERALLY my entire life.
only libs are dumb enough to believe somebody who did nothing for 48 years only needs 4 more years to do something. hell look at chicago. it's 100 years of straight lib rule.
Half a century. Or 5% of a millennium.
Longer than I've been alive.
And then after all this time, when he's at his most retarded, they want to elect him to be president. Geezus fuck Dems, how inept can you be?
What about Ruth bader Ginsberg,even roaches are jealous of her life span 😎🇺🇸💪Can you sayTERM LIMITS
That’s more than 47 and less than 49!
Fourty eight years. Yeah, I uh think it's time this Biden person goes.
Biden might evolve from a single cell organism at this rate
IT'S HIS TURN !!!
B-b-b-but THIS time, he'll really make some changes if we elect him! SMDH.
48 years and now he decides that it's time for Real Progressive change ... get the fuck out
I hopped over to reddit recently and a leftist was trying to argue that even though Joe had been in office that long, that Trump was the problem with America now.
They really are the best at mental gymnastics.
Honestly what in the blue hell has Biden done to help move our country forward? Nothing! What has Biden done to help the average American citizens? NOTHING!! This racist senile grifter has been profiting off our paychecks and restricting our constitutional rights and more. The world would be better if Pedo Joe dropped dead!
Four to Eight year?
Richard Grenell has to be one of the best personifications of the Trump Train.
Ain't a damn thing changed but the weather. Drain the swamp.
Does The Donald dot Win have honorary titles that are giving out? e.g.
If so, one needs to be given to Richard.
It's HIS turn!
It’s his turn!!
but he knows how to "fix the nation" ...it just came to him
Term limits should be mandatory at the federal & state levels for all positions. Supreme Court should have a retirement age limit as well.
Mike Madigan has basically run my state since 1983 (when I was 2yo!