"The health authorities have received many complaints about how elderly relatives were treated. A consistent theme is that nursing home residents with suspected Covid-19 were immediately placed on palliative care and given morphine and denied supplementary oxygen and intravenous fluids and nutrition. For many this was effectively a death sentence.
“People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. “Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”
How could that happen?
The problem seems to have been the guidelines issued by the National Board of Health and Welfare. "
So if you subtract the old, they have an amazing narrative and the death rate is inflated? The number is lower if you subtract killing the elderly like they did in NYC sending the Covid patients into retirement and nursing homes and forcing ventilators on everyone.
Let me restate it for you. You claim that what Sweden did was not good because it killed the old and is not a good solution against Covid.
I say when you subtract the old you get a rate among everyone else that is much lower than the US AND they have shown group immunity since July as they now bounce along at almost 0, zero, roll deaths.
Rely on a vaccine for a disease we have never been able to build before? This was the right call and the over all loss of life going into the next flu season will show they did the right thing.
I am not saying herd immunization is the wrong way. We should do it in a controlled way, Sweden took a huge risk at the time. It is unclear if immunization is permanent or how the different strains behave.
We should also do it with minimal loss of life. Administration of Morphine which makes it harder to breathe is not a treatment against Covid-19 but a death sentence for many elderly. I don't trust "people" who do that while complaining about the cost of pensions.
Who gets the money the state safes now that they are dead?
I am not saying herd immunization is the wrong way. We should do it in a controlled way, Sweden took a huge risk at the time. It is still unclear if immunization is permanent or how the different strains behave. We should also do it with minimal loss of life. Administration of Morphine which makes it harder to breathe is not a treatment against Covid-19 but a death sentence for many elderly. I don't trust "people" who do that while complaining about the cost of pensions.
“People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. “Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”
Who gets the money the state safes now that they are dead?
You can be against vaccination efforts while condemning the cucks who kill their grandparents.
Italian hospitals were overcrowded and not enough ventilators available. They made many mistakes but at least they tried treating their elderly unlike Sweden.
California in the first 5 months of 2018 lost 120,000 total dead from all causes.
Hint the US had 80,000 vaccinated Americans die from the FLU that year
California in the first 5 months of 2020 lost 120,000 total dead from all causes
???????
Oh yeah source is the CDC Wonder Database
“These infection fatality rates are remarkably low and are similar to the fatality rate for the seasonal flu.”
“The virus is 10 times less fatal than we first thought.”
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia is an affiliated assistant clinical professor of Medicine at Stanford University. He is a former deputy health officer for the San Francisco Department of Public Health, [email protected]. Dr. Jeffrey Klausner is a professor of Medicine and Public Health at the University of California, Los Angeles.
“To properly assess the mortality risk associated with the coronavirus pandemic, it is necessary to examine deaths and death rates from all causes, not just deaths and death rates from COVID-19.”
They are asking this question because it is clear the Covid-19 numbers are highly inflated from other causes of death.
“During January-May 2020, the CDC and Department of Health and Human Services show about 120,000 total deaths in California, which is similar to the number during January-May 2018.”
They are comparing this current flu season against the last big pandemic that his us in 2017-2018 Flu season. The numbers look the same.
“Thus, the 2020 total death rates in California can be approximated by the 2018 total death rates, which are in the CDC’s WONDER database. I focus here on those under 65 years of age because they include students and most working-age people, and because COVID-19 deaths comprise only 3% of the total deaths in this age range during 2020.”
My point is that Sweden sacrifices its elderly population by not treating them. Hence since they keep them in the elderly homes despite there being room in hospitals, I don't trust their data.
They are highly collective people. They let child rapists off with community service, don't you think they would lie to fit their narrative? All they worry about is their appearances.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/deadly-covid-discrimination-against-the-elderly-in-sweden/
"The health authorities have received many complaints about how elderly relatives were treated. A consistent theme is that nursing home residents with suspected Covid-19 were immediately placed on palliative care and given morphine and denied supplementary oxygen and intravenous fluids and nutrition. For many this was effectively a death sentence.
“People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. “Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”
How could that happen?
The problem seems to have been the guidelines issued by the National Board of Health and Welfare. "
IT'S A BULLSHIT NARRATIVE.
So if you subtract the old, they have an amazing narrative and the death rate is inflated? The number is lower if you subtract killing the elderly like they did in NYC sending the Covid patients into retirement and nursing homes and forcing ventilators on everyone.
Of course if you substract the elderly you get better results. I don't get your point.
Let me restate it for you. You claim that what Sweden did was not good because it killed the old and is not a good solution against Covid.
I say when you subtract the old you get a rate among everyone else that is much lower than the US AND they have shown group immunity since July as they now bounce along at almost 0, zero, roll deaths.
Rely on a vaccine for a disease we have never been able to build before? This was the right call and the over all loss of life going into the next flu season will show they did the right thing.
I am not saying herd immunization is the wrong way. We should do it in a controlled way, Sweden took a huge risk at the time. It is unclear if immunization is permanent or how the different strains behave. We should also do it with minimal loss of life. Administration of Morphine which makes it harder to breathe is not a treatment against Covid-19 but a death sentence for many elderly. I don't trust "people" who do that while complaining about the cost of pensions.
Who gets the money the state safes now that they are dead?
I am not saying herd immunization is the wrong way. We should do it in a controlled way, Sweden took a huge risk at the time. It is still unclear if immunization is permanent or how the different strains behave. We should also do it with minimal loss of life. Administration of Morphine which makes it harder to breathe is not a treatment against Covid-19 but a death sentence for many elderly. I don't trust "people" who do that while complaining about the cost of pensions.
“People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. “Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”
Who gets the money the state safes now that they are dead?
You can be against vaccination efforts while condemning the cucks who kill their grandparents.
Yup that is what a group of Isreali doctors in Italy are saying that are being told not to use any breathing equipment on people over 60.
Wonder why they have such an unusually hight death rate in Italy?
https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856
Italian hospitals were overcrowded and not enough ventilators available. They made many mistakes but at least they tried treating their elderly unlike Sweden.
Oh yeah, Sweden shows 90% of all patients were over 70 years of age that statistically would have died of something else.
Swedish Government Dashboard https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
But why does that matter?
California in the first 5 months of 2018 lost 120,000 total dead from all causes. Hint the US had 80,000 vaccinated Americans die from the FLU that year
California in the first 5 months of 2020 lost 120,000 total dead from all causes ???????
Oh yeah source is the CDC Wonder Database
“These infection fatality rates are remarkably low and are similar to the fatality rate for the seasonal flu.”
“The virus is 10 times less fatal than we first thought.”
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia is an affiliated assistant clinical professor of Medicine at Stanford University. He is a former deputy health officer for the San Francisco Department of Public Health, [email protected]. Dr. Jeffrey Klausner is a professor of Medicine and Public Health at the University of California, Los Angeles.
https://calmatters.org/commentary/its-time-to-end-the-state-of-emergency-over-covid-19/
“To properly assess the mortality risk associated with the coronavirus pandemic, it is necessary to examine deaths and death rates from all causes, not just deaths and death rates from COVID-19.”
They are asking this question because it is clear the Covid-19 numbers are highly inflated from other causes of death.
“During January-May 2020, the CDC and Department of Health and Human Services show about 120,000 total deaths in California, which is similar to the number during January-May 2018.”
They are comparing this current flu season against the last big pandemic that his us in 2017-2018 Flu season. The numbers look the same.
“Thus, the 2020 total death rates in California can be approximated by the 2018 total death rates, which are in the CDC’s WONDER database. I focus here on those under 65 years of age because they include students and most working-age people, and because COVID-19 deaths comprise only 3% of the total deaths in this age range during 2020.”
https://news.yahoo.com/california-reopen-coronavirus-stats-science-230000221.html
Science
We don't disagree here.
My point is that Sweden sacrifices its elderly population by not treating them. Hence since they keep them in the elderly homes despite there being room in hospitals, I don't trust their data.
They are highly collective people. They let child rapists off with community service, don't you think they would lie to fit their narrative? All they worry about is their appearances.