Still stupid. Your parents don't have to be citizens for you to be a citizen. The only constitutional question is if her parents were AUTHORIZED to be in the USA. Tourists who give birth here gift their babies American citizenship bc they were authorized to be in the USA. So, as long as her parents were not here illegally and weren't diplomats, there's no question as to her citizenship.
Edit: I've revised my view on this. After reading this
Your parents do need to be citizens for you to be a natural born citizen.
Here is Emmerich de Vattel's "Laws of Nations," which the Founding Fathers read at the Continental Congress. "Natural-born citizen" wasn't a made-up term. It was a well-defined legal concept: A natural-born citizen is someone born on the soil to two PARENTS who are citizens at the time of birth. Not parent. PARENTS (plural). See a screenshot of the passage: https://imgur.com/a/cBghOWj
It's astonishing to me that anyone would claim that the Constitution was "the weakest way to attack Kamala Harris".
This isn't about "attacking" anyone. This is about RULE-OF-FUCKING-LAW.
She does not meet the Constitutional qualifications to be President. Period.
If conservatives agree to overlook the fucking law, then they're agreeing with the Democrats that we're in a post-legal phase of our history.
People care about the spirit of the law more than the letter of the law and tyrants like you who want to use the letter of the law as a cudgel are the reason why this is the weakest way to attack her.
People care a lot more about character than whether or not she has violated some technicality. Get over it.
Also, I highly suspect you’re some troll faggot trying to seed some bullshit outrage over this red herring “Kamala citizenship truther” movement. Get fucked. And I mean that, you need to get fucked and relax.
The "spirit" of the Natural-Born citizen rider is that foreign citizens cannot be President.
Period.
THAT is the spirit of the law.
No dual citizens.
The fact that you're defecting to the Democrats and globalists and trying to normalize this illegality is breathtaking.
You've ceded ground to the people subverting and collapsing the republic. You're allowing THEM to "re-interpret" the Constitution and remove all the protections designed to defend us. You're going along with the same people who pulled a switcheroo by conflating "immigrant" with "illegal alien". Likewise, the Constitution demands that the President be a "Natural-born citizen" and you're allowing them to switch it out for "citizen". (They're two different things.)
We are NOT supposed to be ruled by dual citizen globalists. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE LAW. THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. THAT IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
Doesn’t matter bud. Anyone born in the United States is a citizen regardless of parents status. People plan for it and come over here pregnant just to have a baby.
You're confusing a citizen with a NATURAL-BORN citizen. They're two different things. See the definition of a NATURAL-BORN citizen here: https://imgur.com/a/cBghOWj
No one's arguing that Kamala Harris isn't a citizen.
But the Constitution doesn't call for a "citizen" to be President. It demands that the person be a "NATURAL-BORN" citizen. That's a higher threshold, where you're 1) Born on the soil, and 2) BOTH of your parents are citizens at the time of your birth.
Kamala Harris does not meet this legal standard.
Footnote: The Founding Fathers put this rider into the Constitution to prevent any dual citizen from ever acceding to the Presidency. If one of your parents was a citizen of a foreign country, then you are a citizen of a foreign country at birth. Hence a disqualifying factor for being the Chief Executive of the United States. Kamala Harris was born to BOTH a Jamaican citizen (making her an automatic Jamaican citizen at birth) and an Indian national (making her a citizen of India). She was born with three citizenships. That's a big no-no Constitutionally. Here's India's parliament from December 30, 1955: "Persons born outside India are considered citizens of India if either of their parents is a citizen of India at the time of their birth." Jamaican law is similar: "A person born outside Jamaica after 5 August, 1962 to a father who is a Jamaican citizen, is automatically considered a Jamaican citizen at birth." Kamala Harris was born in 1964. She IS a Jamaican citizen. As well as a citizen of India. These are Constitutionally disqualifying. Citizens of foreign countries CANNOT be President of the United States. Repeat after me: Citizens of foreign countries CANNOT be President of the United States.
This is a losing argument. She's got a ton of more unappetizing traits to emphasize that won't immediately get people's backs up as precursor to Obama BirtherGate 2.0
Yeah, under current law she is a 'natural born' citizen. It would be a supreme court battle to fight the anchor baby court case because under that ruling natural born is anyone born within US borders, with citizen parents or not.
Globalists don’t care and in fact they prefer people not born in the United States like the Kenyan because it furthers their goal of undermining our sovereignty and rule of law. They like getting Americans to cheer for someone who isn’t qualified to be President and to defend the unqualified elitists who are legally prohibited from higher office. Globalists are the scum of the earth.
I can understand doing this as a satirical, flat-earthed, “outer space doesn’t exist because there is no videotape of all of the universe” stuff... but not for Grandmas email chains that old timers might fall for.
Don't fall for this BS. Even if it were true, don't bother. She's a weak pick that we should be grateful for. Let's say she did get busted for this, her replacement would probably be stronger.
She's a non-african American, pro-police, pro-war on drugs, obviously corrupt moron who got booted out of the DNC primaries in no time. She's a weak candidate and 100% the wrong pick for the current clusterfuck that is the DNC.
This is dumb. First, she is a natural born citizen. The law is crystal clear on this point. Second, the natural born citizen rule is stupid and should be abolished. There's no good reason at all why a kid who is adopted from overseas shouldn't be able to run for president when he/she grows up. Just require that a person have been a citizen for 30 years.
Please don't turn this into a thing. We've got far better objections to her than this.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Depends on how one interprets the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," I would guess.
The interpretation is diplomatic in nature. Say a proper diplomat or the queen of England squeezes out a kid on US soil, they aren't subject to our jurisdiction and citizenship is not passed on to the child. That's the gist of it, generally speaking, if you are plopped out on US soil, you get citizenship.
Please, lets not support this argument. The left is just going to harp on Trump birther thing over and over, and then when its beaten to a pulp, they're just going to beat it some more
This is the weakest angle to attack her from
And that's saying something
It may be the weakest from a political or cultural sense, but what about the legal?
Still stupid. Your parents don't have to be citizens for you to be a citizen. The only constitutional question is if her parents were AUTHORIZED to be in the USA. Tourists who give birth here gift their babies American citizenship bc they were authorized to be in the USA. So, as long as her parents were not here illegally and weren't diplomats, there's no question as to her citizenship.
Edit: I've revised my view on this. After reading this
Your parents do need to be citizens for you to be a natural born citizen.
Kamala's parents would be extradited to their home country if they committed a felony.
Therefore, they are NOT subjected to our jurisdiction.
As the 14th implies, Birth, is not enough.
sorry pede... I changed my mind. You're right. She shouldn't be eligible
Dude... I Apologize.... I agree with you now. I now think she shouldn't be eligible
Born OR naturalized.
Such claim. Small proof
The LAW is the weakest angle to attack her from?
Here is Emmerich de Vattel's "Laws of Nations," which the Founding Fathers read at the Continental Congress. "Natural-born citizen" wasn't a made-up term. It was a well-defined legal concept: A natural-born citizen is someone born on the soil to two PARENTS who are citizens at the time of birth. Not parent. PARENTS (plural). See a screenshot of the passage: https://imgur.com/a/cBghOWj
It's astonishing to me that anyone would claim that the Constitution was "the weakest way to attack Kamala Harris".
This isn't about "attacking" anyone. This is about RULE-OF-FUCKING-LAW.
She does not meet the Constitutional qualifications to be President. Period.
If conservatives agree to overlook the fucking law, then they're agreeing with the Democrats that we're in a post-legal phase of our history.
People care about the spirit of the law more than the letter of the law and tyrants like you who want to use the letter of the law as a cudgel are the reason why this is the weakest way to attack her.
People care a lot more about character than whether or not she has violated some technicality. Get over it.
Also, I highly suspect you’re some troll faggot trying to seed some bullshit outrage over this red herring “Kamala citizenship truther” movement. Get fucked. And I mean that, you need to get fucked and relax.
The "spirit" of the Natural-Born citizen rider is that foreign citizens cannot be President.
Period.
THAT is the spirit of the law.
No dual citizens.
The fact that you're defecting to the Democrats and globalists and trying to normalize this illegality is breathtaking.
You've ceded ground to the people subverting and collapsing the republic. You're allowing THEM to "re-interpret" the Constitution and remove all the protections designed to defend us. You're going along with the same people who pulled a switcheroo by conflating "immigrant" with "illegal alien". Likewise, the Constitution demands that the President be a "Natural-born citizen" and you're allowing them to switch it out for "citizen". (They're two different things.)
We are NOT supposed to be ruled by dual citizen globalists. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE LAW. THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW. THAT IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
Doesn’t matter bud. Anyone born in the United States is a citizen regardless of parents status. People plan for it and come over here pregnant just to have a baby.
Jus Soli.
You're confusing a citizen with a NATURAL-BORN citizen. They're two different things. See the definition of a NATURAL-BORN citizen here: https://imgur.com/a/cBghOWj
No one's arguing that Kamala Harris isn't a citizen.
But the Constitution doesn't call for a "citizen" to be President. It demands that the person be a "NATURAL-BORN" citizen. That's a higher threshold, where you're 1) Born on the soil, and 2) BOTH of your parents are citizens at the time of your birth.
Kamala Harris does not meet this legal standard.
The Left don’t care about laws and everyone else is afraid to uphold them.
This is a losing argument. She's got a ton of more unappetizing traits to emphasize that won't immediately get people's backs up as precursor to Obama BirtherGate 2.0
Yeah, under current law she is a 'natural born' citizen. It would be a supreme court battle to fight the anchor baby court case because under that ruling natural born is anyone born within US borders, with citizen parents or not.
Globalists don’t care and in fact they prefer people not born in the United States like the Kenyan because it furthers their goal of undermining our sovereignty and rule of law. They like getting Americans to cheer for someone who isn’t qualified to be President and to defend the unqualified elitists who are legally prohibited from higher office. Globalists are the scum of the earth.
Hillary is back in the game folks!
I can understand doing this as a satirical, flat-earthed, “outer space doesn’t exist because there is no videotape of all of the universe” stuff... but not for Grandmas email chains that old timers might fall for.
Don't fall for this BS. Even if it were true, don't bother. She's a weak pick that we should be grateful for. Let's say she did get busted for this, her replacement would probably be stronger.
She's a non-african American, pro-police, pro-war on drugs, obviously corrupt moron who got booted out of the DNC primaries in no time. She's a weak candidate and 100% the wrong pick for the current clusterfuck that is the DNC.
This is an ignorant argument and shouldn't even be brought up. This is the kind of dumb shit we don't need.
No one really know what "natural born citizen" means. But it's generally not considered to mean you must have 2 US parents.
This is dumb. First, she is a natural born citizen. The law is crystal clear on this point. Second, the natural born citizen rule is stupid and should be abolished. There's no good reason at all why a kid who is adopted from overseas shouldn't be able to run for president when he/she grows up. Just require that a person have been a citizen for 30 years.
Please don't turn this into a thing. We've got far better objections to her than this.
are we deporting birthers?
Have the Courts ever ruled on this question, of whether a person can run to Office based on their birth location?
Per the 14th Amendment:
Depends on how one interprets the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," I would guess.
An honest inquiry: I would like to read up on that.
Thanks, fren.
The interpretation is diplomatic in nature. Say a proper diplomat or the queen of England squeezes out a kid on US soil, they aren't subject to our jurisdiction and citizenship is not passed on to the child. That's the gist of it, generally speaking, if you are plopped out on US soil, you get citizenship.
Please, lets not support this argument. The left is just going to harp on Trump birther thing over and over, and then when its beaten to a pulp, they're just going to beat it some more