Reconciliation was a farce. Yes the country was functionally made whole in terms of the states all participating in the federal government again, but the Democrats never got over their butthurt. They assassinated Lincoln and it just got worse from there.
If JFK ran today with the same exact persona, he would be a republican. And sadly he'd be one of our best ones. The country has been shifted that much.
I like to ask them to provide historical documents that alerted the voters that they needed to vote for someone different now. It's absurd that you would switch parties and not let the people who vote for you know.
How did the party switch work exactly? Did they all go to a big convention and get drunk and decide it would be a great practical joke if they all traded nametags?
He would have spent the rest of his presidency trying to undo the damage to the powers of the states, and re-enshrined into our civics the way that rights start with the individual, then form the rights of the locality, then the rights of the state, and then from there the rights of the federal government.
It's almost like Slavery was clung to in order to force a war to erode that system, and then Lincoln was murdered not BEFORE he could end slavery, but before he could repair the world's only free nation.
The "North" passed an amendment (Corwin Amendment) codifying slavery in the constitution in an attempt to stave off a Civil War. If all the South wanted was slavery, the southern states would have ratified the amendment and walked away, but they didn't. Just one of the many inconvenient truths your red diaper baby history teacher failed to mention.
Redditors genuinely think wars were fought over "morality" lmao. Some redditors seriously think that america joined ww2 to bash the fash because they hated nazis or something, or that northerners fought the civil war because they just thought slavery was so bad. Bro your grandpa would rather have lost the war than see the country be desegregated, shut the fuck up. I've literally had convos with Antifa-apologist retards trying to take credit for the GIs who stormed the beaches, and trying to paint Antifa as the same group of people, like the greatest generation really wanted to spend their time killing Germans on behalf of central banking interests or something, rather than be at home with their families.
I would like to politely disagree on a point you made here. I think it not entirely correct to define either the North nor the South as the "good guys" or the "bad guys," simply because they were ALL -- every single man who took to the field -- Americans. That's one of the reasons a war that should have taken four months at the most was protracted into four years. That's why an armistices was sought and Jefferson Davis not convicted of treason. And that's why the Southern monuments were "allowed" to be erected and stand: to preserve the honour of the Southerner and to accept him once again into the American union.
Listen, I think we VERY much agree on the overall sense; it's in this one stringy point that we see differently. But look at it this way: were we neighbours, we'd be having a roaring discussion over some mighty fine brews!
Not entirely true, Lincoln did make slavery the focus of the Civil War. Mostly to gain support in the south as well as nationally for a very unpopular war. He also did it to keep England from throwing support to the south, which was being considered.
That’s why I said not entirely, it’s true the civil war wasn’t started over slavery, Lincoln himself said he’d allow it if it kept the union together. But saying it wasn’t about slavery at any point isn’t correct, he shifted the focus to that after the fact to for his needs.
The whole war had two madmen bookends—one from each side. John Brown, and then John Wilkes Booth. It was essentially perfect symmetry. Funny how that works.
Democrats remain ashamed of their history and that’s why they want to tear down statues.
Reconciliation was a farce. Yes the country was functionally made whole in terms of the states all participating in the federal government again, but the Democrats never got over their butthurt. They assassinated Lincoln and it just got worse from there.
...BUT MUH PARTY SWITCH...
I love to point out to them that according to that logic, FDR was a Republican.
As was St. JFK (according to their "logic")
If JFK ran today with the same exact persona, he would be a republican. And sadly he'd be one of our best ones. The country has been shifted that much.
I like to ask them to provide historical documents that alerted the voters that they needed to vote for someone different now. It's absurd that you would switch parties and not let the people who vote for you know.
How did the party switch work exactly? Did they all go to a big convention and get drunk and decide it would be a great practical joke if they all traded nametags?
schroedingers party switch. when did it happen? right before democrats did something bad, of course!
Funny thing is
They'd actually be better off with Lincoln then they where without him. He would have been way kinder to the south
Lincoln also would have dealt with some of our current problems if he wasn't assassinated cough Liberia cough.
Ding, ding, ding
He would have spent the rest of his presidency trying to undo the damage to the powers of the states, and re-enshrined into our civics the way that rights start with the individual, then form the rights of the locality, then the rights of the state, and then from there the rights of the federal government.
It's almost like Slavery was clung to in order to force a war to erode that system, and then Lincoln was murdered not BEFORE he could end slavery, but before he could repair the world's only free nation.
Yep.
The "North" passed an amendment (Corwin Amendment) codifying slavery in the constitution in an attempt to stave off a Civil War. If all the South wanted was slavery, the southern states would have ratified the amendment and walked away, but they didn't. Just one of the many inconvenient truths your red diaper baby history teacher failed to mention.
Redditors genuinely think wars were fought over "morality" lmao. Some redditors seriously think that america joined ww2 to bash the fash because they hated nazis or something, or that northerners fought the civil war because they just thought slavery was so bad. Bro your grandpa would rather have lost the war than see the country be desegregated, shut the fuck up. I've literally had convos with Antifa-apologist retards trying to take credit for the GIs who stormed the beaches, and trying to paint Antifa as the same group of people, like the greatest generation really wanted to spend their time killing Germans on behalf of central banking interests or something, rather than be at home with their families.
I would like to politely disagree on a point you made here. I think it not entirely correct to define either the North nor the South as the "good guys" or the "bad guys," simply because they were ALL -- every single man who took to the field -- Americans. That's one of the reasons a war that should have taken four months at the most was protracted into four years. That's why an armistices was sought and Jefferson Davis not convicted of treason. And that's why the Southern monuments were "allowed" to be erected and stand: to preserve the honour of the Southerner and to accept him once again into the American union.
Listen, I think we VERY much agree on the overall sense; it's in this one stringy point that we see differently. But look at it this way: were we neighbours, we'd be having a roaring discussion over some mighty fine brews!
Not entirely true, Lincoln did make slavery the focus of the Civil War. Mostly to gain support in the south as well as nationally for a very unpopular war. He also did it to keep England from throwing support to the south, which was being considered.
He made slavery the focus ex post facto. It was not started over slavery. You admit as much in your own post.
That’s why I said not entirely, it’s true the civil war wasn’t started over slavery, Lincoln himself said he’d allow it if it kept the union together. But saying it wasn’t about slavery at any point isn’t correct, he shifted the focus to that after the fact to for his needs.
"It may be inferred..."
I can't learn anything from people who preface what they say with "It could well be...it may be...one can infer that...everyone just knows..."
We should have expelled the Democrats after the first civil war. They have shown to be cancerous as communists. They are communist lite.
The whole war had two madmen bookends—one from each side. John Brown, and then John Wilkes Booth. It was essentially perfect symmetry. Funny how that works.
Democrats remain ashamed of their history and that’s why they want to tear down statues.