If this shot literally changes your RNA, then it seems to me this could be the long awaited mark of the beast. Particularly if once it's released you have to have documentation just to step foot in any public place. Stay frosty folks, evil is working overtime these days!
The shot does not change your RNA. Let me explain why/how.
RNA is just a “photocopy” of DNA that your cells make so they can use them as blueprints to make proteins without having to somehow pull the raw DNA out of the nucleus (library) of the cell.
The RNA is what the cell reads to build proteins, and it is temporary: each photocopy gets degraded after a short while in the cell body. This gives your cells control over what proteins are made, by controlling what DNA is allowed to be photocopied into temporary RNA copies.
When the cell wants to stop making a protein, it stops the DNA sequence that encodes that protein from being photocopied into any more RNA, and so any RNA blueprints still floating around outside the nucleus end up degraded without any more photocopies to replace them, so no more of the protein is made.
The moderna vaccine puts RNA (temporary by definition) into the body of some of your cells, which encodes the spike protein of the coronavirus.
The RNA is used as a blueprint by the cells to make some copies of the spike protein, which the cell presents on its surface and this allows your immune system to recognize the foreign protein and make an immune response against it.
However... because RNA is temporary, it doesn’t last long inside the cells. Just long enough to make some of these proteins, before it gets degraded like all other RNA. (Proteins are also temporary, and they get degraded after some time too, by the way.)
Because this sequence of RNA is simply not part of your genes (meaning, it isn’t in your DNA), there’s no more of it that can be made. So by definition it is temporary.
The concern for safety is not related to whether it will change your genes or do some other weird stuff.
The causes for concern are primarily:
Whether your immune system will “overreact” to the foreign proteins and cause damage through a runaway stress/inflammation response (phase 2 trials have shown this is not the case).
Whether your immune system, having seen these proteins in the vaccine and prepared antibodies & immune cells against them, will mount such an over-the-top response when it sees the actual virus that it will cause more damage than if it hadn’t gotten the vaccine to begin with. This is what current phase 3 trials are seeking to test as we speak.
Keep in mind that this is all just for Moderna’s RNA-based vaccine. Doesn’t apply to vaccines using other approaches.
I was disappointed by the side effect profile of the Moderna candidate. Some of the other candidates taking a different approach such as prefusion protein based vaccines may be better in that regard. But in the end the proof is in the pudding and how well these safely prevent COVID will be the ultimate judge.
The mRNA vaccine is nice because if it works well in Phase 3 trials, then we can take a very similar approach to developing vaccines quickly for very many diseases, including future pandemics.
So what's the verdict for accepting this vaccine? I was going to stand my ground, but I have a feeling that this will lead to my possible death, as the government might send law enforcement to force me to do it, and that's likely to end up in my death, shot by the cops.
The alternative is accepting the vaccine, and dealing with whatever consequences it brings?
I don’t think the government will send law enforcement to force you to do it.
Much like Covid, the vaccine is likely to not produce symptoms or it will be at most a mild feeling of being under the weather for a day or two. This is just your body creating symptoms of itself, because it has literally found a foreign “invader” (protein) in your body.
However, the vaccine will prevent those with high risks of dying from Covid from that fate.
What people should understand is that it isn’t the virus itself that is dangerous, it is the added factor of a massive immune response, which really throws some randomness into the equation of who has zero symptoms or mild symptoms and who gets killed. I’ve had immunocompromised patients with extremely mild symptoms; I’ve had healthy, middle-aged patients die.
Even if there are risks, it is inconceivable to me that the vaccine would be MORE risky than catching Covid itself.
Well I know that's an extreme scenario. The more likely scenario is that you lose your job, are blacklisted from working at all, and are banned from leaving the country until you get "immunized".
As for the vaccine itself, everything you say makes sense "provided" we can trust the authorities.
Can there be something in that vaccine that targets changes in DNA? Or adds nanotech to do something nefarious to your body? Hell maybe it's as simple as adding nano particles that allow you to be forever tracked.
There are no systemic changes to DNA that could be accomplished with a vaccine.
There are also no nanoparticles that track you. For tracking, something requires an antenna and likely a battery, and a nanoparticle cannot act as an antenna in any frequency that is likely to escape your body.
If the government wanted to track you, they’d ask AT&T or Verizon for data about your cellphone. Or they’d ask one of the private companies like Facebook, Google, etc. because they already track you.
Something important to consider is that research in general is all about clout chasing. You want to be the first to discover, first to break a story about a new finding. Scientists get the vaccine for research, including for toxicological analysis. If they found some weird stuff in it, it could make their career for a lifetime.
Also, if the government really had the technology to do some of these things, there are many other vectors available. They could’ve put these things into headache meds, into the water supply, and so on. It’s extremely unlikely to me.
Also, if the government really had the technology to do some of these things, there are many other vectors available
That really is the key to me. What technology does the government have? You're right if they had something that was airborne, for example, they could release it that way. Or in the drinking water.
The other side of the coin, is that there is no reason for them to force people to take the vaccine, as long as the higher risk do it, lower risk people like me don't need it. But will the government force me to take it anyway?
That really is the key to me. What technology does the government have?
With electronic/mechanical systems, there is such a higher ceiling to government technology because things change dramatically when there is no constraint to cost. The Hubble telescope, for instance, is a cheaper version of the dozens of schoolbus-sized spy satellites that the US put into orbit, difference being that the Hubble points away from Earth and not toward it.
Same thing goes with things like jet planes and their construction and targeting/weapons systems. If a missile’s guidance system costs $1M in bleeding edge sensors, that’s fine, the use justifies it.
In biology we are not constrained by design cost, we are constrained by our understanding of biology. The cutting edge of biology research is done at universities and at the NIH, and is funded by the government (NIH primarily). It’s not so much a challenge of needing to throw money at a problem.
Much of the classified data concerning biology is on countermeasures to traditional chemical and bioweapons. You can bet that the govt keeps stockpiles of vaccines or countermeasures for known threats like smallpox and anthrax. Just like they had a big strategic reserve of ventilators that they had to dip into a little.
There is also a tremendous amount of money spend on chemical and bioweapons development. And countermeasures to those.
But these technologies are not “cutting edge” in the sense that there’s some hidden technology to take control of your brain or to modify your genes or what have you. It is more along the lines of “cutting edge prophylactics for mustard gas exposure” than it is something equivalent to a giant space laser on the other side of the moon.
Another thing is that even vectors like viruses for delivering DNA are still large in the scale of things. It’s very hard to shrink biology. So even if there were an advanced virus being hidden in the vaccine, for instance, even poorly funded labs could detect it very easily. Hope this makes sense.
To be honest I don’t have a great, definitive answer.
There is a lot of variability to the immune response that the virus provokes even in asymptomatic cases. Some of them get what’s essentially the same effect as a vaccine, if not stronger. For others, the effect is weaker.
To rephrase; even asymptomatic cases provide some level of immunity. For some people the level of immunity is high and the vaccine will not be too helpful; for others, the vaccine will act as a good booster. It’s difficult to know without a bunch of blood tests (and even those may be inconclusive) so I would personally think to get it regardless, but that is just a personal choice, and clearly subject to change based on the guidelines with which the vaccine is provided.
Please don't be as ignorant as the average /r/politics user. The world isn't creating a vaccine to kill everyone. To even think that is a possibility puts you on the spectrum
That's real news as far as I can tell. The spike protein is from HIV. I don't have a link handy. I think even the Lancet Medical Journal reported that months ago.
Look how you talk: "phase 2 trials have shown this is not the case." So, according to you, the individuals in the phase 2 trials are representative of every single individual in the country. I'm pretty sure the individuals in the phase 2 trials didn't go into a phase 2 trial with an autoimmune disease, for example.
What happens when someone has an allergic reaction to the foreign spike proteins that are now handily being made inside the cells of his body?
You generally don't give vaccines to the immunocompromised or people with other complicating factors. Generally, you would ask your doctor if it was okay.
And you answer to what happens? You probably feel shitty for a few days. Same as if you have an adverse reaction to other vaccines, like Gardasil for HPV. Generally not a real concern, because those kinds of reactions are so rare.
I did not realize vaccines were such an issue. I'm glad that we were able to get rid of polio and small pox when we could, good golly, you guys.
If anyone wants to actually look at the data or report a vaccine injury, go to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System link at the top of this reply.
Be educated before you take a stance. Turns out most vaccines, like everything else, are fine in moderation. But, it is your body, your choice. Make it a good one.
The problem with discussions about Covid and especially vaccines is that immunology is incredibly complex and it is extremely difficult to simplify it because there is no good analogy for a lot of the interactions that happen.
An autoimmune disease is a condition where your body mistakes its own proteins as foreign and mounts an immune response. “Auto” means “self” in this case. The vaccine creates an immune response to foreign proteins.
I cannot answer the allergy question as easily because there’s a lot of complexity here that has to be unpackaged, but the straightforward answer is that a different branch of the immune system causes allergy attacks. That’s not the branch that these vaccines stimulate.
I have a very stable and long term career. Myself and many of my colleagues will be suing(possibly class action) if our department heads try to force vaccinations.
If that doesn't work myself and many others will be walking away. Quitting will be a great cost to the people we serve; however, our lives are worth more than the FIAT paper money we're given.
I am in charge of making these rules at my company. We are in the final phases of enforcing this. I have to keep the board happy. What they don't know is I am paying my lawyer to tell them they must a) pay for it if we require it (no insurance will be at least $500) b) must enforce ALL deadly virus vaccines and must pay for them with a higher death rate than CV19. SO..... that is TB, POLIO, FLU, HIV(preventative treatment is several thousand). Our "board members" will slowly back out from the virtue signaling once they see their pocket book affected.
Serious note, large companies are already discussing it. Remember, forced vaccinations are not legal. Neither is your guaranteed employment there, but i agree with you.
You're doing the right thing - straddling the line between reason and fulfilling your duties to your BOD.
I'd advise you caution in underestimating dems/globalists wishes to fulfill their plans. Wouldn't be suprised in one bit if govt offers to subsidize COV19 vaccines.
Obamacare was meant to already handle this issue. EVERYTHING is planned in advance.
What about people who've already had the Rona and recovered months ago? Tests were very restricted when I was symptomatic, and I never took the antibody test. Several former coworkers were confirmed positive, though.
I'm not eager to get a first round Rona vaccine, and I suspect many others who are looking for employment feel similarly. Will potential offers be contingent on the applicant having proof of vaccination, or will employers offer to pay for vaccination upon hire?
My plan will reflect these considerations.... Thanks P ede!!! To be clear, i am totally against this. But the people paying my bills might have a different opinion. I am roughly 400k deep in Covid related expenses this year.... they paid all of them...
Yeah the first amendment is null and void due to some judge in big phama's pocketbook having a ruling.
Right. Welcome to 1776. See how long a shattered broken social contract lasts at your own risk.
NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO DO ANYTHING. God may require my life at this point. He gave me a First Amendment, HE can enforce it. I'll be the FIRST to die at the hands of ANYBODY OR FORCE who attempts to coerce me into taking a deadly magic potion that belongs at the medieval faire section of alchemists and grifters.
Don't attempt to justify crooked politics and judges.
I think the courts have ruled on stuff like this before. Chances seem slim to avoid if it mandated, which is why we need GEOTUS to make a stand or start a strategy to drag it out long enough to where it becomes moot.
We are already almost through this thing with natural herd immunity. I pray Trump heart's our voice on this.
If you create a class action lawsuit, you will have a lot of people willing to help, join it.
I have the same concern regarding Bill "Earth is 70% Overpopulated" Gates being so closely involved in not one but at least two vaccine candidates. Also the fact that he and Fucktard Fauci had their hands in the Wuhan Lab as well.
Gates seems to be more interested in killing and sterilizing people in third world countries for now, the aborting thing doesn't go over well in Africa, India.......
The FAKE NEWS and FACT CHECKERS are saying Bill Gates is not facing legal action in India for his astronomical vaccine misery count, but I have read it enough to think that the Bill Gates killer vaccine issues are very real.
My other concern is that near everyone in the study has gotten sick, some at higher doses severely so. The other obvious concern is that they are rushing this shit and there is no way it can be properly evaluated for long term safety.
I will most surely be required to take any vaccine by my employer, we are already required to get the regular flu vaccine every year. If it were not for maintaining my employment, I would never get a vaccine ever again.
i've never been anti-vax myself but the ferocity with which the left demonizes anti-vaxxers makes me think that they (anti-vaxxers) might be on to something
A cheaper alternative would be to keep taking COVID-19 tests. Eventually, and statistically, you'll eventually get a 'positive' result. That will be my strategy to avoid any mandatory vaccination.
God broke my uterus for a reason because they would have to kill me before i would ever have my kids vaccinated by GLOBALIST kiddie fucking money laundering treasonous SWAMP creatures!
I have family in ND but some of them are drinking the blm koolaid. Idaho has been high on my list for a while. Planning on returning to the states from Canada, but I'm so disgusted with my home state of Oregon I wouldn't even want to road trip there.
SD seems like the only state that has actually weathered covid1984 without adopting some form of tyranny.
As far as I can tell, I agree about South Dakota. I’ve been researching state reactions and policies, and it’s the only one that doesn’t have any bullshit. Even Texas has bullshit up the wazoo, even by Abbot!
I don’t want to move to South Dakota, but I feel I have to. I live in Oregon now, and although I don’t wear a mask, I am literally one of only 3 people over the course of months without one. I won’t be able to keep this up once they get more draconian measures in place. I’m outnumbered by pretty much everyone. And I’m not even in Multnomah county!
We could go to Washington DC and take it over. Any city. Why take the place no one else will go? This is a great idea.
Why not just invoke the Biblical notion of being a city on the hill, in everybody's face, full of light and truth.
No walls. No hiding. Taunting all comers. Give me a dedicated group of 100 in any city and we take it over in 5 years.
I'm not living in caves and swamps. I'm going right to the belly of the beast and striking to kill the mind control.
Like Washington - a losing general on the run after the Brooklyn disaster - I say we turn and counterstrike everywhere we stand. Turn the offense back on the enemy.
I know this may sound sorta... "extreme" but... the "culture" or w/e you want to call it wouldn't let us and would spark a civil war in doing so because the type of people (like rothchilds, steins, goldbergs) that fund those type of people (cryptic I know...) have too much money, run the 3/4 of the ceo's of the federal reserve, Hollywood, MSM etc... Its impossible without 1 million of us marching there. Than they would call on other countries to step (just like WW2...) and start another world war... Just research the events that happened between 1931-1933 and you may arrive to your answer. Idk.
The silent majority is the majority. The reality is we fill stadiums, they barely fill gymnasiums. Don't forget that.
Retreat to one state assumes we are a tiny group that could hold our borders together against a single world govt who would see us as a cancer cell. We don't want that, and the reality doesn't fit that scenario anyways.
I say again, it is NOT the job of the government to educate your kids. It is YOUR job, parents. Accept your responsibility and make the most of it. Otherwise, your children will come visit you after college is over, telling you all about hate speech, truth is relative, white people bad, America bad, and I identify as gender fluid.
Optional online is available for those too scared to attend classes, which happens to be a long term alternative to taking the vaccine. Play the game by their rules.
It’s easy for you to say. It’s not just about finding a different job. It’s about finding a job period. It’s about throwing away my entire future. I have family I need to provide for.
Fat chance I’ll find a job in my field right now with everyone on a hiring freeze anyway. And if I do I’ll probably make shit money.
If you aren't free to do things your way, you'll be a slave to the ideas and suggestions of others for life. MAKE THINGS HAPPEN! THINK FOR YOURSELF! DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO ASSIGN YOU A PLACE IN THEIR PLANTATION!
I would think a GRAD SCHOOL would teach basic ideas like this.
Get your money back. They sound as bad as the frauds at BYU.
Just because the choice is hard doesn't mean it isn't there. Taking our country back requires a lot of hard choices, as long as no one is willing to make them, we won't be getting it back.
I don't personally give a shit about karma. I never used mine at T_D. Not sure how it even can be used.
The reason I posted this type of post, and maybe the reason others do, is to demonstrate a very simple unified position to lurkers like Don Jr (or dare I dream, GEOTUS himself).
Contrary to our popular desired vision of him, he's not a strong constitutionally principled person. He's practical to a fault. If he "thinks it's good for people" , he'll try to do it. This could be banning bump stocks, or mandating vaccines. As an open germaphobe, and with all his open promotion of "the best vaccines ever", I think we need to make our voices clear and distinct on this issue.
I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I also used to think George W Bush was a great president and the Iraq war was necessary.
Times change. We wake up. Fuck mRNA vaccines. I won't be a guinea pig because GEOTUS has a blind faith in science and a fear of germs, no matter how much I love the guy. If a mandate comes down before Nov 3rd, I'll stay home. That's how serious I am.
I can see how they might seem simlar but it's not the same at all. Primary difference is the lack of a curse.
"Share this or you are an evil person" - Curse
"Share this and you will receive a blessing" - if you won't share it you will miss out - Curse
"Jesus says good people share this post" - Curse AND Blaspheme. Someone not only wrote the curse, but dared to claim they were the voice of Christ.
Those posts make me angry at whoever created it, and disappointed in whoever shared it.
"<---This many people" posts are just unofficial polls.
There's no curse, no psychological manipulation tactic, it's just a mematic way of enacting an unofficial single question pole. It works because this forum does not have post downvotes to screw with the results. Since it works, people are going to keep using it to gauge overall opinion on a topic.
And we need to start telling our Representatives that we will not submit ourselves or anyone we are medically responsible for to the uncertainties of a 'vaccine" linked to this China Virus hoax. If they think the vaccine is important they better start clearing away the lies - first being the lies about HCQ. 1-202-224-3121
I'm not an anti vaxer, I got all my shots when I was growing up, and when I have kids I'll probably vaccinate them for polio etc... But I have zero fear of this virus, and zero trust of the elites pushing the narrative.
So I'll take my chances with the China virus, thanks!
Not never. Will take one if they keep shutting shit down over the sniffles and after I have seen at least one solid long term study about it's safety and efficacy.
Lots of companies are working to creat the vaccine. There will likely be only one, “Highlander.” However, it is not that I don’t want to take this vaccine. I just don’t want to be in the first 15 million. I’ve been fine not getting the virus and like all drugs, I would like to see the visible side effects first. After that, stick me.
That’s true, I doubt China and Russia will use our vaccine of course. But here we will be patent restricted and we will dish out our vaccine for dirt cheap to friendly nations. Big money in pharmaceutical patents of any kind. We would likely even use a British or European vaccine. I was just stating companies will come up with them across the board. They will all get a patent of some kind. However like erection drugs and hair loss drugs I think one will be the primary supplier. Until the patent runs out.
Posts like this is what keeps me from completely labeling myself as a republican. I look at the posts in /r/politics and facepalm so hard at their stupidity. Then I come here and I see a lot of posts that I agree with and make sense, but then stumble on things like this that are so mind-blowingly retarded.
If you actually think the entire world is creating a vaccine that is intentionally made to fuck us over, you're an absolute moron.
Imagine thinking Bill Gates and Big Pharma are the ones who create the vaccines being trialed worldwide, and then going on the internet and posting about it. are you also one of those people who think Bill Gates is trying to inject us with microchips at the same time? You're an absolute buffoon of a human, and I feel bad for your mother who had to give birth to such an autistic, fat lard such as yourself
Why are you so gung ho to take a rushed vaccine for a coronavirus with a 99.98% survival rate that can easily be cured with a common malaria medication that is safe, and effective. It makes absolutely no sense unless you are a low-info sheep or a pharma shill. If not being either of those things makes me a "fat autistic child"to you, that's fine. Tell your fat wife thanks, cuck.
Well, first off, labeling oneself "a republican" sounds like something a liberal typically says.
I'm a constitutional conservative.
I'm a fiscal conservative.
I'm a social conservative.
I'm a libertarian.
These are the labels we typically assign on the right to ourselves. Most of us hate "Republican" as a label because it doesn't tell anyone shit.
As far as the arrogance displayed to call people crazy for clearly seeing a profit revenue platform in the new mRNA technical capabilities, one that can be exploited by big pharma, what is your counter argument besides the idea is crazy?
Former liberals have a lot of red pills left to swallow before they even know what we talk about over here. The entire walkaway movement is full of stories of how the more cult like turned on them for not agreeing with the orthodoxy, but they still carry a leftist desire for group think and a need to bully down via consensus seeking.
I left it open though. You can agree not to take an mRNA vaccine based on the risks of the platform, or a new vaccine based on the historic rush in testing and safety over rides, but neither require you to believe in the "number of the beast" implants or even the simple reality that big pharma doesn't care about you as other then a consumer to give them money.
Shit, watch TV for a couple hours. Count the amount of drug commercials, then come back and argue against a create problem, sell problem "fix" drug model.
If this shot literally changes your RNA, then it seems to me this could be the long awaited mark of the beast. Particularly if once it's released you have to have documentation just to step foot in any public place. Stay frosty folks, evil is working overtime these days!
The shot does not change your RNA. Let me explain why/how.
RNA is just a “photocopy” of DNA that your cells make so they can use them as blueprints to make proteins without having to somehow pull the raw DNA out of the nucleus (library) of the cell.
The RNA is what the cell reads to build proteins, and it is temporary: each photocopy gets degraded after a short while in the cell body. This gives your cells control over what proteins are made, by controlling what DNA is allowed to be photocopied into temporary RNA copies.
When the cell wants to stop making a protein, it stops the DNA sequence that encodes that protein from being photocopied into any more RNA, and so any RNA blueprints still floating around outside the nucleus end up degraded without any more photocopies to replace them, so no more of the protein is made.
The moderna vaccine puts RNA (temporary by definition) into the body of some of your cells, which encodes the spike protein of the coronavirus.
The RNA is used as a blueprint by the cells to make some copies of the spike protein, which the cell presents on its surface and this allows your immune system to recognize the foreign protein and make an immune response against it.
However... because RNA is temporary, it doesn’t last long inside the cells. Just long enough to make some of these proteins, before it gets degraded like all other RNA. (Proteins are also temporary, and they get degraded after some time too, by the way.)
Because this sequence of RNA is simply not part of your genes (meaning, it isn’t in your DNA), there’s no more of it that can be made. So by definition it is temporary.
The concern for safety is not related to whether it will change your genes or do some other weird stuff.
The causes for concern are primarily:
Whether your immune system will “overreact” to the foreign proteins and cause damage through a runaway stress/inflammation response (phase 2 trials have shown this is not the case).
Whether your immune system, having seen these proteins in the vaccine and prepared antibodies & immune cells against them, will mount such an over-the-top response when it sees the actual virus that it will cause more damage than if it hadn’t gotten the vaccine to begin with. This is what current phase 3 trials are seeking to test as we speak.
Keep in mind that this is all just for Moderna’s RNA-based vaccine. Doesn’t apply to vaccines using other approaches.
Check out the big brain on Brad.
Haha I do this for a living (lung doctor). Not like I’m a walking Wikipedia on any other topic out there!
Would you give a man a foot massage ?
I was disappointed by the side effect profile of the Moderna candidate. Some of the other candidates taking a different approach such as prefusion protein based vaccines may be better in that regard. But in the end the proof is in the pudding and how well these safely prevent COVID will be the ultimate judge.
The mRNA vaccine is nice because if it works well in Phase 3 trials, then we can take a very similar approach to developing vaccines quickly for very many diseases, including future pandemics.
Fauci was Moderna’s CEO
So what's the verdict for accepting this vaccine? I was going to stand my ground, but I have a feeling that this will lead to my possible death, as the government might send law enforcement to force me to do it, and that's likely to end up in my death, shot by the cops.
The alternative is accepting the vaccine, and dealing with whatever consequences it brings?
I don’t think the government will send law enforcement to force you to do it.
Much like Covid, the vaccine is likely to not produce symptoms or it will be at most a mild feeling of being under the weather for a day or two. This is just your body creating symptoms of itself, because it has literally found a foreign “invader” (protein) in your body.
However, the vaccine will prevent those with high risks of dying from Covid from that fate.
What people should understand is that it isn’t the virus itself that is dangerous, it is the added factor of a massive immune response, which really throws some randomness into the equation of who has zero symptoms or mild symptoms and who gets killed. I’ve had immunocompromised patients with extremely mild symptoms; I’ve had healthy, middle-aged patients die.
Even if there are risks, it is inconceivable to me that the vaccine would be MORE risky than catching Covid itself.
Well I know that's an extreme scenario. The more likely scenario is that you lose your job, are blacklisted from working at all, and are banned from leaving the country until you get "immunized".
As for the vaccine itself, everything you say makes sense "provided" we can trust the authorities.
Can there be something in that vaccine that targets changes in DNA? Or adds nanotech to do something nefarious to your body? Hell maybe it's as simple as adding nano particles that allow you to be forever tracked.
What do you think?
There are no systemic changes to DNA that could be accomplished with a vaccine.
There are also no nanoparticles that track you. For tracking, something requires an antenna and likely a battery, and a nanoparticle cannot act as an antenna in any frequency that is likely to escape your body.
If the government wanted to track you, they’d ask AT&T or Verizon for data about your cellphone. Or they’d ask one of the private companies like Facebook, Google, etc. because they already track you.
Something important to consider is that research in general is all about clout chasing. You want to be the first to discover, first to break a story about a new finding. Scientists get the vaccine for research, including for toxicological analysis. If they found some weird stuff in it, it could make their career for a lifetime.
Also, if the government really had the technology to do some of these things, there are many other vectors available. They could’ve put these things into headache meds, into the water supply, and so on. It’s extremely unlikely to me.
That really is the key to me. What technology does the government have? You're right if they had something that was airborne, for example, they could release it that way. Or in the drinking water.
The other side of the coin, is that there is no reason for them to force people to take the vaccine, as long as the higher risk do it, lower risk people like me don't need it. But will the government force me to take it anyway?
With electronic/mechanical systems, there is such a higher ceiling to government technology because things change dramatically when there is no constraint to cost. The Hubble telescope, for instance, is a cheaper version of the dozens of schoolbus-sized spy satellites that the US put into orbit, difference being that the Hubble points away from Earth and not toward it.
Same thing goes with things like jet planes and their construction and targeting/weapons systems. If a missile’s guidance system costs $1M in bleeding edge sensors, that’s fine, the use justifies it.
In biology we are not constrained by design cost, we are constrained by our understanding of biology. The cutting edge of biology research is done at universities and at the NIH, and is funded by the government (NIH primarily). It’s not so much a challenge of needing to throw money at a problem.
Much of the classified data concerning biology is on countermeasures to traditional chemical and bioweapons. You can bet that the govt keeps stockpiles of vaccines or countermeasures for known threats like smallpox and anthrax. Just like they had a big strategic reserve of ventilators that they had to dip into a little.
There is also a tremendous amount of money spend on chemical and bioweapons development. And countermeasures to those.
But these technologies are not “cutting edge” in the sense that there’s some hidden technology to take control of your brain or to modify your genes or what have you. It is more along the lines of “cutting edge prophylactics for mustard gas exposure” than it is something equivalent to a giant space laser on the other side of the moon.
Another thing is that even vectors like viruses for delivering DNA are still large in the scale of things. It’s very hard to shrink biology. So even if there were an advanced virus being hidden in the vaccine, for instance, even poorly funded labs could detect it very easily. Hope this makes sense.
Would you advise a patient that tested positive for the virus in the past and showed no symptoms to take the vaccine in the future?
Are people who are proven to be asymptomatic or only get mild symptoms better off without the vaccine?
To be honest I don’t have a great, definitive answer.
There is a lot of variability to the immune response that the virus provokes even in asymptomatic cases. Some of them get what’s essentially the same effect as a vaccine, if not stronger. For others, the effect is weaker.
To rephrase; even asymptomatic cases provide some level of immunity. For some people the level of immunity is high and the vaccine will not be too helpful; for others, the vaccine will act as a good booster. It’s difficult to know without a bunch of blood tests (and even those may be inconclusive) so I would personally think to get it regardless, but that is just a personal choice, and clearly subject to change based on the guidelines with which the vaccine is provided.
Please don't be as ignorant as the average /r/politics user. The world isn't creating a vaccine to kill everyone. To even think that is a possibility puts you on the spectrum
I'm glad to see you have more down votes than upvotes.
That's real news as far as I can tell. The spike protein is from HIV. I don't have a link handy. I think even the Lancet Medical Journal reported that months ago.
Yes. Definitively fake news.
Still fucking hate China, though.
Look how you talk: "phase 2 trials have shown this is not the case." So, according to you, the individuals in the phase 2 trials are representative of every single individual in the country. I'm pretty sure the individuals in the phase 2 trials didn't go into a phase 2 trial with an autoimmune disease, for example.
What happens when someone has an allergic reaction to the foreign spike proteins that are now handily being made inside the cells of his body?
You generally don't give vaccines to the immunocompromised or people with other complicating factors. Generally, you would ask your doctor if it was okay.
And you answer to what happens? You probably feel shitty for a few days. Same as if you have an adverse reaction to other vaccines, like Gardasil for HPV. Generally not a real concern, because those kinds of reactions are so rare.
I did not realize vaccines were such an issue. I'm glad that we were able to get rid of polio and small pox when we could, good golly, you guys.
Oh wow. Gardasil has absolutely horrendous side effects, including primary ovarian failure and death.
There is a database for reported vaccine reactions that experts estimate only contain 1-5% of total reactions.
You cannot sure manufacturers for faulty products, and injuries must go through a secret court that has paid billions in damages.
Vaccine reactions can be deadly and ruin lives. The safety trials for vaccines are abysmal if you actually sit down and read them.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/
If anyone wants to actually look at the data or report a vaccine injury, go to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System link at the top of this reply.
Be educated before you take a stance. Turns out most vaccines, like everything else, are fine in moderation. But, it is your body, your choice. Make it a good one.
The problem with discussions about Covid and especially vaccines is that immunology is incredibly complex and it is extremely difficult to simplify it because there is no good analogy for a lot of the interactions that happen.
An autoimmune disease is a condition where your body mistakes its own proteins as foreign and mounts an immune response. “Auto” means “self” in this case. The vaccine creates an immune response to foreign proteins.
I cannot answer the allergy question as easily because there’s a lot of complexity here that has to be unpackaged, but the straightforward answer is that a different branch of the immune system causes allergy attacks. That’s not the branch that these vaccines stimulate.
Quick rundown on the RNA thing? I kind of started tuning the covid "vaccine" news out because I'll take a bullet to the head before I take that shit.
I made a reply to describe it. Let me know if it helps.
Sure did, thanks for going into such detail; lays it out really well for someone with not much prior knowledge on the subject.
No problem. Glad it was useful.
I have a very stable and long term career. Myself and many of my colleagues will be suing(possibly class action) if our department heads try to force vaccinations.
If that doesn't work myself and many others will be walking away. Quitting will be a great cost to the people we serve; however, our lives are worth more than the FIAT paper money we're given.
I am in charge of making these rules at my company. We are in the final phases of enforcing this. I have to keep the board happy. What they don't know is I am paying my lawyer to tell them they must a) pay for it if we require it (no insurance will be at least $500) b) must enforce ALL deadly virus vaccines and must pay for them with a higher death rate than CV19. SO..... that is TB, POLIO, FLU, HIV(preventative treatment is several thousand). Our "board members" will slowly back out from the virtue signaling once they see their pocket book affected.
Serious note, large companies are already discussing it. Remember, forced vaccinations are not legal. Neither is your guaranteed employment there, but i agree with you.
You're doing the right thing - straddling the line between reason and fulfilling your duties to your BOD.
I'd advise you caution in underestimating dems/globalists wishes to fulfill their plans. Wouldn't be suprised in one bit if govt offers to subsidize COV19 vaccines.
Obamacare was meant to already handle this issue. EVERYTHING is planned in advance.
Ruling after ruling says otherwise. It may not be right, but it's currently "legal".
I should clarify because I think I misread your comment... a business can't legally force you. The government, however, can.
Exactly, how I feel. I will be armed by elections.
Yes, sorry, clarify. My business can't legally require you to vaccinate, but I also don't have to legally hire you.
What about people who've already had the Rona and recovered months ago? Tests were very restricted when I was symptomatic, and I never took the antibody test. Several former coworkers were confirmed positive, though.
I'm not eager to get a first round Rona vaccine, and I suspect many others who are looking for employment feel similarly. Will potential offers be contingent on the applicant having proof of vaccination, or will employers offer to pay for vaccination upon hire?
My plan will reflect these considerations.... Thanks P ede!!! To be clear, i am totally against this. But the people paying my bills might have a different opinion. I am roughly 400k deep in Covid related expenses this year.... they paid all of them...
Yeah the first amendment is null and void due to some judge in big phama's pocketbook having a ruling.
Right. Welcome to 1776. See how long a shattered broken social contract lasts at your own risk.
NO ONE CAN FORCE YOU TO DO ANYTHING. God may require my life at this point. He gave me a First Amendment, HE can enforce it. I'll be the FIRST to die at the hands of ANYBODY OR FORCE who attempts to coerce me into taking a deadly magic potion that belongs at the medieval faire section of alchemists and grifters.
Don't attempt to justify crooked politics and judges.
I'm right there with ya. They try and force us to take a vaccine and I'll give them a war.
I love this fellow pedes! If they want to virtue signal, this is what they deserve. I hope this works!
I will do my best to keep you updated, I don't get on much, but when I do. Haha
I think the courts have ruled on stuff like this before. Chances seem slim to avoid if it mandated, which is why we need GEOTUS to make a stand or start a strategy to drag it out long enough to where it becomes moot.
We are already almost through this thing with natural herd immunity. I pray Trump heart's our voice on this.
If you create a class action lawsuit, you will have a lot of people willing to help, join it.
FACTS. Vaccines take at the very minimum a year to make. They've done this in 6 months? Really, bitch? Fuck that.
I have the same concern regarding Bill "Earth is 70% Overpopulated" Gates being so closely involved in not one but at least two vaccine candidates. Also the fact that he and Fucktard Fauci had their hands in the Wuhan Lab as well. Gates seems to be more interested in killing and sterilizing people in third world countries for now, the aborting thing doesn't go over well in Africa, India....... The FAKE NEWS and FACT CHECKERS are saying Bill Gates is not facing legal action in India for his astronomical vaccine misery count, but I have read it enough to think that the Bill Gates killer vaccine issues are very real.
My other concern is that near everyone in the study has gotten sick, some at higher doses severely so. The other obvious concern is that they are rushing this shit and there is no way it can be properly evaluated for long term safety.
I will most surely be required to take any vaccine by my employer, we are already required to get the regular flu vaccine every year. If it were not for maintaining my employment, I would never get a vaccine ever again.
i've never been anti-vax myself but the ferocity with which the left demonizes anti-vaxxers makes me think that they (anti-vaxxers) might be on to something
Vaccine companies have immunity from lawsuits.
What do you do if you are injured from a vaccine?
You go to a special court and your results are sealed.
What was the result when drug companies did a long term study of kids who received the entire vaccine schedule compared to unvaccinated kids?
No such study exists.
I'd pay a nurse 10K cash to squirt it into a garbage bin and give me my little stamp or certificate or whatever. No rushed bullshit vaccine for me.
Also, closely related, let's stop pretending Melinda is a woman.
I've thought this exact same thing.
A cheaper alternative would be to keep taking COVID-19 tests. Eventually, and statistically, you'll eventually get a 'positive' result. That will be my strategy to avoid any mandatory vaccination.
I already had COVID, and I have a positive and after that a negative test saved. They can suck my dick. :^)
God broke my uterus for a reason because they would have to kill me before i would ever have my kids vaccinated by GLOBALIST kiddie fucking money laundering treasonous SWAMP creatures!
That's too bad because you sound like you would be a great based mom. Glad you are here fighting with us!
I got the snip, partly for the exact same reason.
God has power over life and death and can heal you.
If our society is as lost and fallen as the prophet Jeremiah, it is better to not have kids.
I'll plead for your healing over the teardown/rebuilding of society over 1000 years.
Everyone on TheDonald should move to 1 state that MOST OTHERS WILL NOT MOVE TO and just lock that shit down. I vote North Dakota....
trucks loaded, family strapped in, when we leaving?
I have family in ND but some of them are drinking the blm koolaid. Idaho has been high on my list for a while. Planning on returning to the states from Canada, but I'm so disgusted with my home state of Oregon I wouldn't even want to road trip there.
SD seems like the only state that has actually weathered covid1984 without adopting some form of tyranny.
As far as I can tell, I agree about South Dakota. I’ve been researching state reactions and policies, and it’s the only one that doesn’t have any bullshit. Even Texas has bullshit up the wazoo, even by Abbot!
I don’t want to move to South Dakota, but I feel I have to. I live in Oregon now, and although I don’t wear a mask, I am literally one of only 3 people over the course of months without one. I won’t be able to keep this up once they get more draconian measures in place. I’m outnumbered by pretty much everyone. And I’m not even in Multnomah county!
It's a travesty what has happened to our beautiful state.
We could go to Washington DC and take it over. Any city. Why take the place no one else will go? This is a great idea.
Why not just invoke the Biblical notion of being a city on the hill, in everybody's face, full of light and truth.
No walls. No hiding. Taunting all comers. Give me a dedicated group of 100 in any city and we take it over in 5 years.
I'm not living in caves and swamps. I'm going right to the belly of the beast and striking to kill the mind control.
Like Washington - a losing general on the run after the Brooklyn disaster - I say we turn and counterstrike everywhere we stand. Turn the offense back on the enemy.
I know this may sound sorta... "extreme" but... the "culture" or w/e you want to call it wouldn't let us and would spark a civil war in doing so because the type of people (like rothchilds, steins, goldbergs) that fund those type of people (cryptic I know...) have too much money, run the 3/4 of the ceo's of the federal reserve, Hollywood, MSM etc... Its impossible without 1 million of us marching there. Than they would call on other countries to step (just like WW2...) and start another world war... Just research the events that happened between 1931-1933 and you may arrive to your answer. Idk.
We had that idea a year or so ago except it was we all move to Greenland and make it a MAGA country.
lol like the rothchilds would let go of that country
The silent majority is the majority. The reality is we fill stadiums, they barely fill gymnasiums. Don't forget that.
Retreat to one state assumes we are a tiny group that could hold our borders together against a single world govt who would see us as a cancer cell. We don't want that, and the reality doesn't fit that scenario anyways.
I can't imagine taking a vaccine that was rushed to market, especially for an illness that is not fatal in the vast majority of cases.
I roll my eyes at least a handful of times. "Vaccines should be out by next year", we won't have to wear this mask.
I'm just like, fuck the mask..
I work in the city, some sjws walking around.
I wouldn't. not then, not ever.
That should also depend on who is in power. A rino, Democrat, and who or what (deep state) is in control of one or more parts of the vaccine chain.
Never
They can inject my corpse if they want. That's the only way it's happening.
That shit will probably re-animate you.
And the first words to exit your zombie mouth will be ‘Black Lives Matter!’
I say again, it is NOT the job of the government to educate your kids. It is YOUR job, parents. Accept your responsibility and make the most of it. Otherwise, your children will come visit you after college is over, telling you all about hate speech, truth is relative, white people bad, America bad, and I identify as gender fluid.
Optional online is available for those too scared to attend classes, which happens to be a long term alternative to taking the vaccine. Play the game by their rules.
I can't say never, but no way I'm taking a rushed version.
I'll take the vaccine if it's voluntary. If it's mandated, the government can piss off. Freedom>Safety
I may be forced to because of my job
Not really. I’m in graduate school and if I drop out at this point I’ll have wasted the last few years of my life.
It’s easy for you to say. It’s not just about finding a different job. It’s about finding a job period. It’s about throwing away my entire future. I have family I need to provide for.
Fat chance I’ll find a job in my field right now with everyone on a hiring freeze anyway. And if I do I’ll probably make shit money.
Sure. I’m making a choice to not be homeless.
False paradism.
If you aren't free to do things your way, you'll be a slave to the ideas and suggestions of others for life. MAKE THINGS HAPPEN! THINK FOR YOURSELF! DON'T WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO ASSIGN YOU A PLACE IN THEIR PLANTATION!
I would think a GRAD SCHOOL would teach basic ideas like this.
Get your money back. They sound as bad as the frauds at BYU.
Just because the choice is hard doesn't mean it isn't there. Taking our country back requires a lot of hard choices, as long as no one is willing to make them, we won't be getting it back.
I'm applying to dental hygiene schools. I'm basically fucked if they decide that it's part of the check for immunizations before attending class.
I'll riot.
Never too late to #walkaway from fake academics and their tokens of slavish obedience (Ph.D)
I’m not in gender studies. What I work on isn’t fake, and I like what I do, though the bureaucracy is quite a pain.
But if we end up living in a totalitarian police state you will have wasted your WHOLE life.
I am NOT anti-vax, but I will NOT take the COVID-19 vaccine for the same reason that I do not take the flu vaccine - I do not believe I need it.
I don't consider myself anti-vax either, but mRNA is scary af, and I think it's a whole new game they want to play on an entirely new level.
FUCK. THAT.
They’ll never shoot me up with that shit.
I don't personally give a shit about karma. I never used mine at T_D. Not sure how it even can be used.
The reason I posted this type of post, and maybe the reason others do, is to demonstrate a very simple unified position to lurkers like Don Jr (or dare I dream, GEOTUS himself).
Contrary to our popular desired vision of him, he's not a strong constitutionally principled person. He's practical to a fault. If he "thinks it's good for people" , he'll try to do it. This could be banning bump stocks, or mandating vaccines. As an open germaphobe, and with all his open promotion of "the best vaccines ever", I think we need to make our voices clear and distinct on this issue.
I'm not an anti-vaxer, but I also used to think George W Bush was a great president and the Iraq war was necessary.
Times change. We wake up. Fuck mRNA vaccines. I won't be a guinea pig because GEOTUS has a blind faith in science and a fear of germs, no matter how much I love the guy. If a mandate comes down before Nov 3rd, I'll stay home. That's how serious I am.
I can see how they might seem simlar but it's not the same at all. Primary difference is the lack of a curse.
"Share this or you are an evil person" - Curse
"Share this and you will receive a blessing" - if you won't share it you will miss out - Curse
"Jesus says good people share this post" - Curse AND Blaspheme. Someone not only wrote the curse, but dared to claim they were the voice of Christ.
Those posts make me angry at whoever created it, and disappointed in whoever shared it.
"<---This many people" posts are just unofficial polls.
There's no curse, no psychological manipulation tactic, it's just a mematic way of enacting an unofficial single question pole. It works because this forum does not have post downvotes to screw with the results. Since it works, people are going to keep using it to gauge overall opinion on a topic.
I have advocated for polls from day one.
Twitter has them.
Why don't we?
I'm all-in for Trump, but miss me with that anti-vaxxer shit.
It is not anti-vaxxer to not want to take COVID19 crap.
It is not tested. It is dangerous. Fuck that, lol.
And we need to start telling our Representatives that we will not submit ourselves or anyone we are medically responsible for to the uncertainties of a 'vaccine" linked to this China Virus hoax. If they think the vaccine is important they better start clearing away the lies - first being the lies about HCQ. 1-202-224-3121
I'm not an anti vaxer, I got all my shots when I was growing up, and when I have kids I'll probably vaccinate them for polio etc... But I have zero fear of this virus, and zero trust of the elites pushing the narrative.
So I'll take my chances with the China virus, thanks!
Not never. Will take one if they keep shutting shit down over the sniffles and after I have seen at least one solid long term study about it's safety and efficacy.
Never. If they try to force a vaccine in me, I'll force high velocity lead in them. This is a hill I am willing to die over.
Lots of companies are working to creat the vaccine. There will likely be only one, “Highlander.” However, it is not that I don’t want to take this vaccine. I just don’t want to be in the first 15 million. I’ve been fine not getting the virus and like all drugs, I would like to see the visible side effects first. After that, stick me.
I think there will be one winner here, but globally I expect different "winners".
That’s true, I doubt China and Russia will use our vaccine of course. But here we will be patent restricted and we will dish out our vaccine for dirt cheap to friendly nations. Big money in pharmaceutical patents of any kind. We would likely even use a British or European vaccine. I was just stating companies will come up with them across the board. They will all get a patent of some kind. However like erection drugs and hair loss drugs I think one will be the primary supplier. Until the patent runs out.
Yup, true.
He misspelled "evil tyrant"
We should start persecuting evil fucks already
My line in the sand has been crossed.
No first amendment = Revolutionary War part II: Alter or Abolish.
It won't be a civil war. It's war of We the People against the cartels of mysticism, nonsense, idiocy, and incompetence.
The aristocracy has re-emerged. Time to put them behind bars.
Wondering what the point of vaccination will be if, by the time it arrives, the flu will have already ran its course?
Won't happen!
ALL DEMS BUT WE COULD CARE LESS IF THEY DIE
SO ARE 4 MILLION FOLKS WHO LOVE YOU AND ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM.EVERY ONE SEND THE RNC15,OO DOLLARS AND OUR PRESIDENT 25.00THE WAR IS ON.
Posts like this is what keeps me from completely labeling myself as a republican. I look at the posts in /r/politics and facepalm so hard at their stupidity. Then I come here and I see a lot of posts that I agree with and make sense, but then stumble on things like this that are so mind-blowingly retarded.
If you actually think the entire world is creating a vaccine that is intentionally made to fuck us over, you're an absolute moron.
STFU shill faggot
Who let this child out of the basement?
Hur dur.
You have five comments, and 4 of them are you licking Moderna's butthole, you absolute cuck. Shame on you, weak ass bitch.
Your autism is showing
said the shill who bends over for Bill Gates and Big Pharma.
You are a low-info sheep. Even your wife's boyfriend knows it. Why are you even here? This site is not for losers.
Imagine thinking Bill Gates and Big Pharma are the ones who create the vaccines being trialed worldwide, and then going on the internet and posting about it. are you also one of those people who think Bill Gates is trying to inject us with microchips at the same time? You're an absolute buffoon of a human, and I feel bad for your mother who had to give birth to such an autistic, fat lard such as yourself
Why are you so gung ho to take a rushed vaccine for a coronavirus with a 99.98% survival rate that can easily be cured with a common malaria medication that is safe, and effective. It makes absolutely no sense unless you are a low-info sheep or a pharma shill. If not being either of those things makes me a "fat autistic child"to you, that's fine. Tell your fat wife thanks, cuck.
Well, first off, labeling oneself "a republican" sounds like something a liberal typically says.
I'm a constitutional conservative. I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm a social conservative. I'm a libertarian.
These are the labels we typically assign on the right to ourselves. Most of us hate "Republican" as a label because it doesn't tell anyone shit.
As far as the arrogance displayed to call people crazy for clearly seeing a profit revenue platform in the new mRNA technical capabilities, one that can be exploited by big pharma, what is your counter argument besides the idea is crazy?
Former liberals have a lot of red pills left to swallow before they even know what we talk about over here. The entire walkaway movement is full of stories of how the more cult like turned on them for not agreeing with the orthodoxy, but they still carry a leftist desire for group think and a need to bully down via consensus seeking.
I left it open though. You can agree not to take an mRNA vaccine based on the risks of the platform, or a new vaccine based on the historic rush in testing and safety over rides, but neither require you to believe in the "number of the beast" implants or even the simple reality that big pharma doesn't care about you as other then a consumer to give them money.
Shit, watch TV for a couple hours. Count the amount of drug commercials, then come back and argue against a create problem, sell problem "fix" drug model.