I don’t believe the argument is too simplistic, it’s merely an observation about the psychology of what the left justifies and prioritizes; followed through to the end. I mean really, you have to ask yourself how the left can justify burning down the livelihoods of innocent people over the death of George Floyd. Seems like certain lives > other lives; which is the exact argument pro-abortionists make? Doesn’t it follow that someone who values the life of the mother over the child would not take an “all lives matter” stance? Seems logical.
The left says “Black Live Matter” and a woman was gunned down for saying “All Lives Matter” - why wouldn’t you assume “all lives matter” includes Black Lives? What’s the ultimate result of valuing one life over the other; isn’t it just death? All I‘m saying is that we need to make room for everyone, including children. BLM seems to think there’s only room for their side just like the Left seems to think there’s only room for one side (the mother). If you follow the premise to its conclusion, its a logical progression of ideas with results to match.
Here’s my response to the “but it’s too simplistic” phrase: “2+2=5”.
If you complicate things enough you can justify things like men can be women and gender is a construct. If you complicate things enough, you can start defending absurd ideas. The results of such absurd ideas are coming to fruition in our generation in front of our eyes.
I have to point you to the Virginia Governor Ralph Northam that stated:
‘ “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”’
There is definitely a correlation between abortion and infanticide and I would argue that it has to do with the value someone places on human life.
As you’ve said, due to sociopathy or psychopathy if serial killers don’t give a toss about abortions then I would argue that it says something about the sociopathy or psychopathy of the left - which is evidenced by everything going on right now, especially the violence, murder, mayhem, and lawlessness coming from the left. Their actions fall in line with their beliefs on the value life, there certainly is a correlation and plenty of evidence.
Out of the millions of abortion performed every year, only a fraction of that is due to rape, the rest are merely a convenience issue. I’m advocating sexual conservatism and responsibility. The left promotes sexual heathenism while being pro-abortion; I just have to ask at what point is responsibility ever something promoted by the left? Is their response to procreation of life as simple as a one night stand and aborting it? Really? We’re not talking about a small statistic of non-rape abortions. This is the crux of the issue even though the left always frames it as a rape issue. Roe vs Wade was historically based on a lie; the biography of the women who the Democrats used to pass Roe vs Wade explains the lies it was based off of (and her part in that lie). Abortion clinics are placed in predominately Black area because the women who championed abortions was using it to wipe out the Black communities. Pro-Abortion is not merely about rape.
My issue is with the acceptance and promotion of culturally and socially irresponsible behavior. Promote sexual promiscuity and be surprised that there’s a #metoo movement? Isn’t promoting sexual promiscuity merely shuffling women to less than ideal groups of men? The womens’ sexual freedom movement, all it did was hurt women in the end and encourage them to kill their own children. This acceptance of sexual promiscuity is merely supplying naive women to creepy men, which opens up more avenues for the sexual abuse of women, and the #metoo movement thereafter have made the good men (the men who are worried about their reputation) afraid to be near women. It’s the sexual predators who are thrilled when women don’t care about one-night stands, more opportunities.
Even with the acceptance of sexual promiscuity, the average man is now afraid to be near a women. The men who value their livelihoods are limiting their interaction with women, and in a strange way being forced to be sexually conservative because of the left (which is honestly not what I expected would happen, but it’s logical). Protecting your reputation against sexual accusations = sexual conservatism.
There are also many children who have had rough lives, but why take away the opportunity for that child’s chance at life? What do you have to say to the children who were adopted into families and are doing fine? Do they deserve a chance at life or not?
Filled orphanages in Romania and pedophile plans are leaps you’ve made, not I. Here’s my solution for the pedophile problem (which Hollywood is filled with), how about we not put pedophiles in charge of orphanages? How about we punish the pedophile by imprisoning them while we let innocent get a chance at life? People are born into difficult situations, I don’t think we should kill them for it. To equate a less than ideal start in life as a mercy killing of sorts is frankly atrocious. Blacks born in the hood have a tough freaking life too, is that why abortion clinic are always near the hood? If Black Lives Mattered, what about the children who are aborted? The left stance has so much cognitive dissonance it’s very difficult for me to follow.
How about we give the child a chance at life and you might be surprised at how well they end up doing?
I’m not for state-run orphanages, but I believe we need to support and promote adoption in the same manner (if no, more so) than we do Abortion clinics, with the same energy that MSM supports Planned Parenthood - create awareness, accept donations to orphanages, run regular wellness checks by the government and have a free press that would report any abuse and not run cover for them (like they do Planned Parenthood). There’s a better solution than Abortion.
There is one area where I do sit back and take a pause, which is the “forced birth” scenario. I would hope that culturally we all see value to life, that we punish rapists severely, and children are given a chance to succeed and define what their own life means to them. That the stigma of being a “rape child” would go away completely just like the way the stigma of being a “gay man” has been done away. The women who make these life-affirming decisions should be celebrated and respected for their strength in the same manner IF NOT MORE than the ones aborting them, they should be given a parade bigger than the LGBT parades; but a society like that is only plausible if we value human life at it’s fundamental core. A human is a human is a human.
That’s my take/observation on the whole matter. We can agree to disagree but the whole “Christ almighty with all this pro-life going on in the Donald forum”, Trump is Pro-Life. Pro-Life people have been congregating outside of the Leftists bubble for decades despite the MSM attempt to stamp us out. Let us speak for ONCE, its not like you have the whole of Hollywood, MSM, and my tax paying dollars supporting your stances.
The post I made states the entire position and it has nothing to do with woman hating. You’re the one who keeps moving the goal post. Abortion is NOT just about rape just like transgendered issues are NOT just about making a transgendered person feel ok. The statistics are that they are outliers and you force the entire population to redefine truths for the outlying statistics.
There are plenty of women who have had abortions who completely regret it and are within the pro-life movement. READ their stories and actually pay attention and absorb information that doesn’t just support your position. There’s forgiveness so long as there is repentance. You don’t get to redefine what is life simply due to the circumstances.
Is your stance that Pro-Lifers are “woman hater!”? I care about women and I want them to be safe and live their lives in a way and choose their partners in a way where they won’t have to make these life altering choices. With that being said, WE do not get to redefine what gender is and WE do not get to redefine what is and isn’t life. PERIOD. This is a fact. It’s truth, and my feelings towards or sympathy towards them doesn’t get to redefine a fact or the truth. If you think it’s uncaring or hating someone not to redefine the fundamentals of truth then you’re the weak minded fact-bending one, not me.
I literally have no clue what you are talking about with woman-hating or blasphemy or spending eternity is hell. Literally NO clue. Are you trying to scare someone to supporting pro-abortion stances by saying you’re going to hell 🙄? That’s pretty manipulative. Using fear tactics about hell without actually explaining or intellectually debating your stances is low. Ultimately if you want to kill humans, that’s between you and God. No law is going to prevent murder. Your beliefs are yours but I will side-eye you with concern about your values on humanity and psychopathy or sociopathy. Never mind ignoring like 90% of my post with actual solutions. Ad hominem attacks on my character (wild assumptions too) gives you no points.
PS: It’s literally mind boggling to me, how you’ve gone to some unhinged rant about hell.
Edit: I wouldn’t abort. If we started making laws to allow the killing of mental disorders then 90% of the left and liberals would be killed and I’m not for that. A majority of abortions are from one-night stands, relationships long term or short term, some are even from married couples with husbands pressuring abortions. Trump is pro-life and his stance on it basically mirrors mine. I would be willing to compromise on policy if the left compromises. Two wrongs don’t make a right in my book but I am willing to compromise on policy to come halfway with a leftist. I made an entire post that states my position while trying to address your outlying statistics but you keep circling back to rape. Are you able to argue the case for abortion without rape? If your response to this post is more rape talk then I’m going to assume that is a no. Neither could Roe v Wade, the woman who had never been raped where Democrats made her lie, in order to pass pro-abortion laws. Read her biography, because she lived the remaining days of her life regretting helping the Democrats lie to win. It’s not the first lie and it won’t be the last one coming from Dems. We can agree to disagree but pro-lifers are not a small segment, if you think we are then you’ve been living far too long in your leftist bubble. You can continuing feigning some kind of surprise and shock at the pro-lifers on the Donald but I’m telling you as a a matter of fact that this is not a minority stance. It simply isn’t. If you’re not going to be intellectually honest enough to discuss the vast majority of abortions being non-rape abortions, then I’m not going to sit here and talk about an outlying statistic to pander to your intellectual dishonesty and ad hominem attacks on my character. People can’t be caring, loving, or enter heaven if they don’t exactly agree with your views? 🙄 Get a grip.
Matthew 5:21-26
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Do you read your Bible at all? You think women are advanced in 2020 because they can kill human beings? There’s few people on earth who can leave me speechless but wow. There’s definitely something unhinged about you, an angry person, who constantly lies, projects your own anger onto someone else by falsely accusing them of anger, can’t give a truthful response, manipulative, self-righteous, haughty (looks down on others), and likes to tell people they’re going to hell if they disagree with you.
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder.
Proverbs 6:16-17
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
Psalm 127:3-5
3 Children are a heritage from the LORD, offspring a reward from him. 4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. 5 Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.
Exodus 21:22-25
“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Psalm 106:37-38
They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons; they poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood.
Ezekiel 23:37
For they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. With their idols they have committed adultery, and they have even offered up to them for food the children whom they had borne to me.
If you call yourself a Christian and believe that God is blessing your abortions, I’m sorry to say but you are utterly deluded. The Bible is very clear that God hates shedding of innocent blood. The fact that you’re so full of hate and projecting your hatred of me as a hatred of women is telling. You need to get your heart checked. Thank you for proving my point.
Matthew 7:3-5
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Are you sure the name of your god isn’t Lucifer? Satan? The Devil? You sure you reading the right book? 🤔 That’s not the book of Molech that you’re reading there? The one that talks about child sacrifices? Sounds like the book of Molech to me. “oh, yes, Jesus told me you’re going to hell because you don’t agree with me” - lady that’s not Jesus talking to you 😂
The Bible is clear that not everyone who says “Lord Lord” enters God’s kingdom, but only those who do God’s will (God the father). Maybe you should be more worried about your own soul rather than mine?
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
I don’t believe the argument is too simplistic, it’s merely an observation about the psychology of what the left justifies and prioritizes; followed through to the end. I mean really, you have to ask yourself how the left can justify burning down the livelihoods of innocent people over the death of George Floyd. Seems like certain lives > other lives; which is the exact argument pro-abortionists make? Doesn’t it follow that someone who values the life of the mother over the child would not take an “all lives matter” stance? Seems logical.
The left says “Black Live Matter” and a woman was gunned down for saying “All Lives Matter” - why wouldn’t you assume “all lives matter” includes Black Lives? What’s the ultimate result of valuing one life over the other; isn’t it just death? All I‘m saying is that we need to make room for everyone, including children. BLM seems to think there’s only room for their side just like the Left seems to think there’s only room for one side (the mother). If you follow the premise to its conclusion, its a logical progression of ideas with results to match.
Here’s my response to the “but it’s too simplistic” phrase: “2+2=5”.
If you complicate things enough you can justify things like men can be women and gender is a construct. If you complicate things enough, you can start defending absurd ideas. The results of such absurd ideas are coming to fruition in our generation in front of our eyes.
I have to point you to the Virginia Governor Ralph Northam that stated: ‘ “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he continued. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”’
There is definitely a correlation between abortion and infanticide and I would argue that it has to do with the value someone places on human life.
As you’ve said, due to sociopathy or psychopathy if serial killers don’t give a toss about abortions then I would argue that it says something about the sociopathy or psychopathy of the left - which is evidenced by everything going on right now, especially the violence, murder, mayhem, and lawlessness coming from the left. Their actions fall in line with their beliefs on the value life, there certainly is a correlation and plenty of evidence.
Out of the millions of abortion performed every year, only a fraction of that is due to rape, the rest are merely a convenience issue. I’m advocating sexual conservatism and responsibility. The left promotes sexual heathenism while being pro-abortion; I just have to ask at what point is responsibility ever something promoted by the left? Is their response to procreation of life as simple as a one night stand and aborting it? Really? We’re not talking about a small statistic of non-rape abortions. This is the crux of the issue even though the left always frames it as a rape issue. Roe vs Wade was historically based on a lie; the biography of the women who the Democrats used to pass Roe vs Wade explains the lies it was based off of (and her part in that lie). Abortion clinics are placed in predominately Black area because the women who championed abortions was using it to wipe out the Black communities. Pro-Abortion is not merely about rape.
My issue is with the acceptance and promotion of culturally and socially irresponsible behavior. Promote sexual promiscuity and be surprised that there’s a #metoo movement? Isn’t promoting sexual promiscuity merely shuffling women to less than ideal groups of men? The womens’ sexual freedom movement, all it did was hurt women in the end and encourage them to kill their own children. This acceptance of sexual promiscuity is merely supplying naive women to creepy men, which opens up more avenues for the sexual abuse of women, and the #metoo movement thereafter have made the good men (the men who are worried about their reputation) afraid to be near women. It’s the sexual predators who are thrilled when women don’t care about one-night stands, more opportunities.
Even with the acceptance of sexual promiscuity, the average man is now afraid to be near a women. The men who value their livelihoods are limiting their interaction with women, and in a strange way being forced to be sexually conservative because of the left (which is honestly not what I expected would happen, but it’s logical). Protecting your reputation against sexual accusations = sexual conservatism.
There are also many children who have had rough lives, but why take away the opportunity for that child’s chance at life? What do you have to say to the children who were adopted into families and are doing fine? Do they deserve a chance at life or not?
Filled orphanages in Romania and pedophile plans are leaps you’ve made, not I. Here’s my solution for the pedophile problem (which Hollywood is filled with), how about we not put pedophiles in charge of orphanages? How about we punish the pedophile by imprisoning them while we let innocent get a chance at life? People are born into difficult situations, I don’t think we should kill them for it. To equate a less than ideal start in life as a mercy killing of sorts is frankly atrocious. Blacks born in the hood have a tough freaking life too, is that why abortion clinic are always near the hood? If Black Lives Mattered, what about the children who are aborted? The left stance has so much cognitive dissonance it’s very difficult for me to follow.
How about we give the child a chance at life and you might be surprised at how well they end up doing?
I’m not for state-run orphanages, but I believe we need to support and promote adoption in the same manner (if no, more so) than we do Abortion clinics, with the same energy that MSM supports Planned Parenthood - create awareness, accept donations to orphanages, run regular wellness checks by the government and have a free press that would report any abuse and not run cover for them (like they do Planned Parenthood). There’s a better solution than Abortion.
There is one area where I do sit back and take a pause, which is the “forced birth” scenario. I would hope that culturally we all see value to life, that we punish rapists severely, and children are given a chance to succeed and define what their own life means to them. That the stigma of being a “rape child” would go away completely just like the way the stigma of being a “gay man” has been done away. The women who make these life-affirming decisions should be celebrated and respected for their strength in the same manner IF NOT MORE than the ones aborting them, they should be given a parade bigger than the LGBT parades; but a society like that is only plausible if we value human life at it’s fundamental core. A human is a human is a human.
That’s my take/observation on the whole matter. We can agree to disagree but the whole “Christ almighty with all this pro-life going on in the Donald forum”, Trump is Pro-Life. Pro-Life people have been congregating outside of the Leftists bubble for decades despite the MSM attempt to stamp us out. Let us speak for ONCE, its not like you have the whole of Hollywood, MSM, and my tax paying dollars supporting your stances.
The post I made states the entire position and it has nothing to do with woman hating. You’re the one who keeps moving the goal post. Abortion is NOT just about rape just like transgendered issues are NOT just about making a transgendered person feel ok. The statistics are that they are outliers and you force the entire population to redefine truths for the outlying statistics.
There are plenty of women who have had abortions who completely regret it and are within the pro-life movement. READ their stories and actually pay attention and absorb information that doesn’t just support your position. There’s forgiveness so long as there is repentance. You don’t get to redefine what is life simply due to the circumstances.
Is your stance that Pro-Lifers are “woman hater!”? I care about women and I want them to be safe and live their lives in a way and choose their partners in a way where they won’t have to make these life altering choices. With that being said, WE do not get to redefine what gender is and WE do not get to redefine what is and isn’t life. PERIOD. This is a fact. It’s truth, and my feelings towards or sympathy towards them doesn’t get to redefine a fact or the truth. If you think it’s uncaring or hating someone not to redefine the fundamentals of truth then you’re the weak minded fact-bending one, not me.
I literally have no clue what you are talking about with woman-hating or blasphemy or spending eternity is hell. Literally NO clue. Are you trying to scare someone to supporting pro-abortion stances by saying you’re going to hell 🙄? That’s pretty manipulative. Using fear tactics about hell without actually explaining or intellectually debating your stances is low. Ultimately if you want to kill humans, that’s between you and God. No law is going to prevent murder. Your beliefs are yours but I will side-eye you with concern about your values on humanity and psychopathy or sociopathy. Never mind ignoring like 90% of my post with actual solutions. Ad hominem attacks on my character (wild assumptions too) gives you no points.
PS: It’s literally mind boggling to me, how you’ve gone to some unhinged rant about hell.
Edit: I wouldn’t abort. If we started making laws to allow the killing of mental disorders then 90% of the left and liberals would be killed and I’m not for that. A majority of abortions are from one-night stands, relationships long term or short term, some are even from married couples with husbands pressuring abortions. Trump is pro-life and his stance on it basically mirrors mine. I would be willing to compromise on policy if the left compromises. Two wrongs don’t make a right in my book but I am willing to compromise on policy to come halfway with a leftist. I made an entire post that states my position while trying to address your outlying statistics but you keep circling back to rape. Are you able to argue the case for abortion without rape? If your response to this post is more rape talk then I’m going to assume that is a no. Neither could Roe v Wade, the woman who had never been raped where Democrats made her lie, in order to pass pro-abortion laws. Read her biography, because she lived the remaining days of her life regretting helping the Democrats lie to win. It’s not the first lie and it won’t be the last one coming from Dems. We can agree to disagree but pro-lifers are not a small segment, if you think we are then you’ve been living far too long in your leftist bubble. You can continuing feigning some kind of surprise and shock at the pro-lifers on the Donald but I’m telling you as a a matter of fact that this is not a minority stance. It simply isn’t. If you’re not going to be intellectually honest enough to discuss the vast majority of abortions being non-rape abortions, then I’m not going to sit here and talk about an outlying statistic to pander to your intellectual dishonesty and ad hominem attacks on my character. People can’t be caring, loving, or enter heaven if they don’t exactly agree with your views? 🙄 Get a grip.
Matthew 5:21-26 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Do you read your Bible at all? You think women are advanced in 2020 because they can kill human beings? There’s few people on earth who can leave me speechless but wow. There’s definitely something unhinged about you, an angry person, who constantly lies, projects your own anger onto someone else by falsely accusing them of anger, can’t give a truthful response, manipulative, self-righteous, haughty (looks down on others), and likes to tell people they’re going to hell if they disagree with you.
Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.
Proverbs 6:16-17 16 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Psalm 127:3-5 3 Children are a heritage from the LORD, offspring a reward from him. 4 Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one’s youth. 5 Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.
Exodus 21:22-25 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Psalm 106:37-38 They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons; they poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood.
Ezekiel 23:37 For they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. With their idols they have committed adultery, and they have even offered up to them for food the children whom they had borne to me.
If you call yourself a Christian and believe that God is blessing your abortions, I’m sorry to say but you are utterly deluded. The Bible is very clear that God hates shedding of innocent blood. The fact that you’re so full of hate and projecting your hatred of me as a hatred of women is telling. You need to get your heart checked. Thank you for proving my point.
Matthew 7:3-5 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Are you sure the name of your god isn’t Lucifer? Satan? The Devil? You sure you reading the right book? 🤔 That’s not the book of Molech that you’re reading there? The one that talks about child sacrifices? Sounds like the book of Molech to me. “oh, yes, Jesus told me you’re going to hell because you don’t agree with me” - lady that’s not Jesus talking to you 😂
The Bible is clear that not everyone who says “Lord Lord” enters God’s kingdom, but only those who do God’s will (God the father). Maybe you should be more worried about your own soul rather than mine?
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.