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FOREVERKAG 133 points ago +133 / -0

When bat shit crazy as you suggest, there's nothing you can say that will resonate with them from a logical argument perspective. If the forgoing comments didn't cause them to pause, then nothing likely will. Sad but this is what we're up against.

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catatonic_frog 79 points ago +79 / -0

its just stupid people using circular logic. leftism creates utopia. it didnt work out so it wasnt real leftism. repeat forever.

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Long_time_lurker 24 points ago +24 / -0

It's funny because you can see that basically all of the homeless have signs saying "God bless" or some variation, you can see who is helping them, not to mention if you volunteer at any of the shelters or soup kitchens, they're practically all run by churches.

The left will claim they want to address that at a government level, but never really have any plan except using the problem as an excuse to gain more power and no answer to why their ways of doing things always make things worse. The proponents of socialism never explain why it can't scale itself up from small communes of people sharing everything voluntarily. Like, if you can't even get a small scale version working, what makes you think the problems get easier when running a whole country? It's always just an excuse to leech off of others, they never want to build anything, they want a utopia but also want to pretend that no work goes into making stuff. You can see how insane they are from wanting a 4 day week. Yes, in theory that'd get more employment, but employment is already rebounding, what we need is more production so that there's something to actually buy with all the money being printed. A ridiculous amount of crops were wiped out in the midwest last week... we're not headed for good times.

We have a corruption of competence going on with them, they've slowly hollowed out industries where almost any idiot can at least do the job poorly (education, journalism, acting, administration) and corrupted them with their leftist favoritism which is coming back to bite us as the institutions they corrupt fall apart.

As for why Stalin "isn't a leftist" it's because they're in a purity spiral at the left pole. Everyone is to the "right" of them. It's why you always hear Eurocucks saying that we don't even have real degenerate leftists. Sure, they probably do have even more degenerate ones over there, but it's not something to brag about.

Right now, SF is falling apart due to work from home, so people can actually leave those hell holes. I wonder where that will take us.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 35 points ago +35 / -0

Exactly. These people are morally and intellectually bankrupt, so there is no way to get through to them. Empowering their leftist ideology is their only value. Case in point:

We had BLM vandals spray paint graffiti on some large rocks at the beach here. Some patriots went down a couple of days later and cleaned it all up, and a local Democrat complained about it on social media and called them Nazis. A few days later the BLM vandals returned and spray painted the rocks again. The same Democrat who had complained about it being cleaned up the first time posted "The Republicans have been spray painting again!" This lady blames Republicans for cleaning up the shitty BLM graffiti, then turns around and blames Republicans for painting more BLM graffiti.

Morally and intellectually bankrupt.

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VoidWanderer 15 points ago +15 / -0

They always go for the education system first. If you never learn about certain things that happen you never know what to be watchful of. Control the past to control both the present and future.

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Grillervative 81 points ago +81 / -0

Never try to convince mentally ill people of anything. 1st, they are mentally ill. 2nd, they are mentally ill. 3rd, they are mentally ill. 4th, they are fucking nuts.

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Meme_Too 24 points ago +24 / -0

Also, they're mentally ill nuts.

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2020yall -3 points ago +2 / -5

*there

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booblitchutz 5 points ago +5 / -0

Their

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fusreedah 7 points ago +8 / -1

False. We need to never ever ever stop talking. You know why the left are winning the psychological operation? Because of sheer mass. They are talking about how evil Trump is and maybe socialism isn't that bad ALL THE TIME. We chime in every now and then and argue back mildly when we think it could be an occasion that wouldn't damage us socially, reminding ourselves "it doesn't matter, we'll vote in November." Yes, of course we will. But they will have a false narrative driven into their heads that what they believe is normal because they've never heard it countered. THAT is what's making them mentally ill. Because they're not even being offered a dose of reality.

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JohnnyThomas 71 points ago +71 / -0

There are few experiences as frustrating as trying to have a civil, good faith argument with a leftist.

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alfredbester 49 points ago +49 / -0

That's because they just want you to shut up and die.

Painfully, if possible. It's a hard truth.

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alfredbester 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's a very dark red pill. The hardest one to swallow. Good and decent people have a difficult time believing that others harbor so much hate and loathing. It really is just like the movie. One day you wake up and realize it was all lies and that a whole bunch of people wish you ill just for existing outside their control.

Feels bad man, but people need to learn or we're all going to get stomped.

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mogstaar 18 points ago +18 / -0

Yup. Because far left ideology is based on very shortsighted and overly emotional world views that also discount our world's experience with far left govenments in practice. The fact the LGBTQ community trends far left is especially short sighted, since they would be the first ones sent to re-education camps if communism ever did take hold. Communism does not allow for independent thought or diversity of culture. Of course they are being told that it is the majority white culture that would be erased, but that is of course a lie. The culture of the majority is the easiest to install when a new system comes to power. It has always been the culture of the majority that takes hold in communist systems, no?

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VoidWanderer 8 points ago +8 / -0

We just have to look at china for a glimpse into what communism will be like here. They don't tolerate homosexuality or islam, are incredibly racist, and enforce gender stereotypes. All things that are very consistent with every socialist and communist group that's sprung up and seized power.

They setup groups like feminism and use degeneracy and outside forces like islam to destabilize society and leave it ripe for conquest. Then they turn around and stamp out everything they used as viciously as possible because they know it will also destroy them. Why do you think Russia of all countries is pushing back against some of the same shit we're dealing with here. Putin knows damn well what these things do.

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Codreanu 3 points ago +3 / -0

Really curious about all the stuff the KGB was involved in, that Yuri Bezmenov talked about, and Putin knows about/personally worked on.

He probably has a few spicy redpills in store in the form of classified documents, but I guess it would be damaging to Russia's already dubious image to give exposure to the Soviet role in the subversion and corruption of Western institutions and morals.

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booblitchutz 4 points ago +4 / -0

Gays are useful idiots to the left, as are single feminists, criminals and no-T men. They exist outside the norms of society, which is fine (except for the criminals) but the left actively courts them and cultivates a narrative that they aren’t actually outside the norm, it’s that the “norm” is oppression and they can be freed from their victimhood. Complete bullshit.

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catatonic_frog 12 points ago +12 / -0

like trying to dig through a petrified mountain of shit with your bare hands

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VoteCyborgTrump2040 4 points ago +4 / -0

They don't even know what a good faith conversation is. I'm not being hyperbolic. They live their lives mired in so much bullshit, believing so many layers of false things (meaning they believe false things that are based on false things they were convinced of before, that are based on false things they were convinced of before that) that they have literally never once in their lives had an honest conversation.

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IllusionOfChoice 33 points ago +33 / -0

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axrevolutionai 4 points ago +4 / -0

Potatoes can power a lightbulb Liberals will tax your electricity twice and then start a rolling blackout so you can't even turn on the lightbulb

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VoidWanderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

The old "would you play chess with a pigeon?"

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memechallenger33 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think it's OK to have these convos. It won't sap your strength if you know that your main goal is to not spend too much time on it, make ONE good and valid point (like the one that conservatives helped you when you were homeless), and then move on. All you need to do is PLANT THE SEED OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. To do this, best to just make your best point and then move on. Don't muddy the waters with weaker arguments that they might fixate on.

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YUUUUGETURDS 32 points ago +32 / -0

Thats the entire point of their "arguments" is to get you to a point of wtf do I say to that. Then you feel crazy because you KNOW this information for a fact. It is all by design. Now it is known as IIA.

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koyima 32 points ago +32 / -0

Once had someone tell me: people can't be illegal..they are human. I was speechless... I was like how the fuck is this an argument? Illegal doesn't mean not human, it mean you hopped the border ILLEGALLY... it took time, but I realized it was a tactic, they accuse of something else entirely and unless you know what they are doing they wriggle away

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LaPastillaEscarlata 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wriggle is right, that's most of my mom's side of the family, bunch of wrigglers married to their insane leftist ideology.

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DL535 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's pretty jaw dropping, if that argument was valid the entire notion of laws becomes meaningless. Which come to think of it, makes sense from the leftist POV. A key motive for them is avoiding accountability for the crimes they want to commit.

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FitOfficial 30 points ago +31 / -1

I was told several times that the National Socialists were right wing on reddit.

The retard runs deep there.

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Southern_Belle 15 points ago +15 / -0

They were right wing.

So are all commies.

WE are left wing. Goes back to the National Assembly in France -- 1789. The aristocrats sat on the right; commoners on the left.

Right wing meant, in today's terms, establishment, authoritarian. They wanted more power to the State.

Left wing wanted power vested in the people.

They've switched it over the years. Same as the "party switch."

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LaPastillaEscarlata 11 points ago +11 / -0

That's why the whole right/left thing is useless when talking to them. It's really freedom and small/limited government vs authoritarianism. Doesn't matter though, they are so brainwashed and specialized in mental gymnastics that logic or reason means nothing to them.

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Sticky 6 points ago +6 / -0

You would think arguing for less freedom would just be against common sense.

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IllusionOfChoice 5 points ago +5 / -0

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VoidWanderer 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's built in psychologically. The weaker sex that is unable to defend or provide for themselves, especially while pregnant, and has to rely on men for support even if they don't want to admit it, are always going to vote for safety and security when possible. Resources and protection while giving up "freedoms" doesn't seem so bad when that's hardwired into you for survival.

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ILearnedToCode 4 points ago +4 / -0

They don't mind less freedom if it makes them "feel safer" by having less control over their lives. They are retarded

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Kamekaze 4 points ago +4 / -0

Not when you don't value personal responsibility and want daddy government to take care of everything.

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MustafaJones 3 points ago +3 / -0

The political spectrum between left and right I find isn’t linear but more horseshoe shaped. Once you get to either extreme it’s just the same shit with a different name.

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IllusionOfChoice 2 points ago +2 / -0

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Kamekaze 2 points ago +2 / -0

Aren't you referring to the difference between American right/left and European right/left? Because they're opposites.

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ProphetOfKek 12 points ago +12 / -0

Say to them? Hey friend, would you like a helicopter ride?

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Grillervative 4 points ago +4 / -0

And those holes in the Crocs are too allow your dignity to leak out.

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weebrian 3 points ago +3 / -0

What do wearing crocs and getting a bj from a dude have in common?

They both feel good until you look down.

I’ll see myself out.

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KekistaniMemeLord 9 points ago +9 / -0

Leftists post on social media and LARP as good people. Conservative type folks actually DO good in the world with real actions.

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Swellingsuperman 6 points ago +6 / -0

One of my better friends is a lifelong Democrat and is very open to debate. He keeps his composure and doesn’t hurl insults. However I notice when I’m winning the Democrat or Republican debate he would always end the conversation with a, “well they’re both bad and don’t care for us!” That was as far as he would concede. I did change his mind on Hillary but that’s no big win. He loves Obama and he actually believes the scandal free narrative. When I sent him a link on the Obama drone strikes he didn’t speak to me for 2 months. We were coworkers for 15 years lol.

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RonBohr 5 points ago +5 / -0

Dunning-Kruger: the stupid can't know how stupid they are, so they invariably believe they are much more intelligent than they are. Their inability to understand genuinely smarter people will be brushed off as the smarter person being so stupid that he is unintelligible and worthy of ridicule. I've seen this in person, it's astounding and scary to watch.

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Meme_Too 5 points ago +6 / -1

What do I even say to that?

Goodbye. Don't waste your time on lunatics.

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PropagandaWizard1984 4 points ago +4 / -0

If Stalin wasn't a leftist, then who is? Did I miss something when I read his biography? What do I even say to that....

You say the following:

"Eat shit and die you commie scumbag!"

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szl_ 4 points ago +4 / -0

My personal favorite is when they say....

"Have you even read Marx????"

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memechallenger33 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then all you have to say is, "Yes, have you?" And watch them break into a million pieces and float off on the wind like a dandelion....

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GottliebPins 3 points ago +3 / -0

Stalin is an ultra far right extremist compared to today’s left.

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Grillervative 3 points ago +3 / -0

One time I was having an argument with my wife. I told her that she was bat shit crazy. Then I found out what bat shit crazy really was.

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BaronFalcon 2 points ago +2 / -0

kek, calling a woman crazy is like poking a pissed off dog with a stick, its fucking hilarious right up until you get bit and need stitches. I speak as the ex of a batshit crazy woman

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Dereliction 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, they're definitely insane (and typically stupid).

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ChasingRed 2 points ago +2 / -0

I remember when Nazi's were Left, but google changed the definition to "right".

Imagine trying to do that with communism, LOL

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de9ebkmd7 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good grief, if the left in America today thinks Stalin was alt-right then I didn't buy nearly enough ammo. Not nearly enough.

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NorthAfricanViolet 1 point ago +1 / -0

MFW: Stalin is Right of today's Leftists...

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PhillyNekim 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would visit leftist places, but I can't tell if there are any that aren't all just paid bots and shills.

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Omniwulf 1 point ago +1 / -0

leftist guy i know thinks Trump and his administration are the communist and the left are the ones wanting to make America better. Like you .. I dont even know how to confront him on that.. it is like Day is night to them. everything is reversed. they are so far gone.

When you really dont want to see a world war.. but at the same time think. " there are not enough hospitals to house all these mentally insane people. maybe better just to thin the herd.

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GarudaOne 2 points ago +2 / -0

leftist guy i know thinks Trump and his administration are the communist

This is the type of person who believes the "Trump is a Russian deep cover agent" narrative and reflexively believes that Russia = Communist USSR

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DonttrustChina 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nobody who says something like that is actually arguing in good faith. You were being trolled good anon.

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gnomenclature 1 point ago +1 / -0

Some are bat-crap-crazy. Some are dumb, or misinformed, uninformed, etc. But some are just plain evil.

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Mcbignuts 1 point ago +2 / -1

Stalin just a dietitian bigots

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Choomguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

You had me at the left are insane...

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yzzp 1 point ago +1 / -0

mass crazy only leads to...

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jiujiujiu 1 point ago +1 / -0

You say nothing. You do what has to be done.

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TrumpCard1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

Circular reasoning is a disease.

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aangler100 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, I don't know about crazy, but damn, the Left wing Democrats & RINOs are not honest. When they tell lies, that don't match up with reality, of course it does not make sense. When they say one thing and do something different, it looks like nonsense.

The main difference I see between the Left wing Democrat/RINO and the Extreme Center Trump voter is the Trump voter is honest, it is just that simple. We don't have to convince or explain, on the surface it just makes sense, it is common sense.

When I look at it that way it makes sense. Leftist lie, they are not going to make sense.

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TrippingRed 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can't argue with people incapable of logical thought. They react emotionally and compared to mainstream media you have little chance of being able to emotionally manipulate them better than the likes of fake news and democrats. That's assuming you even want to emotionally manipulate them. Likely you are going to be stuck trying to treat them as rational humans and are going to be constantly disappointed.

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tdwinner2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Stalin certainly knew and understood Marxist-Leninist theory and practice, and developed it too. Whether he believed in it or used to gain and keep power, who the fuck knows. Liars and Trotskyists (who also lie) will say Stalin was not a leftist, but all that does is tell you what liars they are and how much more insane they might be than Stalin if ever they get power!

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Marno91 1 point ago +1 / -0

Its the same shit with them calling everyone Nazis. The conversation usually goes something like this :

Me: ''So you're saying person X is a Nazi?''

Leftist: Yep Nazi for sure

Me: So you ACTUALLY think they hate Jews, and they agree with Adolph Hitler? Where is your proof of this??

Leftist: Well, when I say Nazi, I don't mean they hate Jews..blah blah blah

Their position crumbles when you just ask common sense questions.

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RonBohr 1 point ago +1 / -0

What do you say to a fool?

Nothing.

They either are trolling you and aren't really interested in anything you might say (and so lie when they pretend to be) or they're high and/or insane and can't comprehend you.

Either way you waste your time once you figure out how irrational they are. Walk away.

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Fairybride 1 point ago +1 / -0

They've been tricked to think that being a leftist means being compassionate. They don't actually know what defines the left vs the right.

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UnwaveringDefiance 1 point ago +1 / -0

My job is to inform, not to convince. ~Saint Bernadette

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Pirate_Lafitte 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Name one way Stalin was a leftist"

I can't believe someone actually asked him that .

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SentryS 1 point ago +1 / -0

Chances are:

  1. You were arguing with the exact same person through their various troll accounts.

  2. They're NPC's they can read English and write English but have no reading comprehension.

  3. Since they don't have brains and can't read they just randomly insert questions that have likely been asked already or covered in a previous response which makes them seem really really stupid

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the-new-style 0 points ago +1 / -1

The left / right thing is horse shit anyway.

It tries to convince you that the extreme version of "Limit govt power over my life" is "full state control over all of our lives".

The more state control, the more Stalins and Hitler.