And it was done using extremely twisted logic that says "growing wheat on your own land to feed your own cows affects inter-state commerce, therefore pretty much anything affects inter-state commerce, therefore pretty much anything falls under the inter-state commerce regulation powers of the govt in the constitution". Therefore pot can be banned, despite the constitution not actually granting the govt that power.
It's crazy we had a constitutional amendment to prohibit alcohol, and then another constitutional amendment to repeal the prohibition, but just a little judicial activism to authorize prohibition of every substance under the sun.
I beg to differ. FDR's policies are still very much in our life while BHO's policies have largely been erased. All we lack is getting totally rid of Obamacare.
No! The Bible Belt won’t legalize it for many more years. It needs to be legalized federally. That way the people who work in the military and DOT can use it without being punished.
It should appeal to all Conservatives who believe in limited government. If you think politicians should be allowed to lock you in a cage for personal use marijuana, you're not a Conservative.
Yeah exactly the only "conservatives" against it are the extremely sheltered sheeple Christians who nothing about it and don't read the Bible themselves, instead taking somebody else's word for it that "pot bad" is in there
Nah, there are some of us that have no problem with people smoking pot on their own time, but there are currently no methods to measure how "high" someone is. We have laws that regulate how sober you must be to drive, but no regulation on how high is too high to drive. When there is no way to objectively measure an amount of impairment, then maybe a substance shouldn't be legal for widespread use.
If you want to drink alcohol, no problem, but keep your BAC below 0.08 if you wanna drive due to the risk you impose on others. If you wanna smoke pot, no problem, just don't drive when you're too high... and as far as I know, there is no way to enforce this.
Are they able to measure this roadside? I didn't know that, but I think that is totally fair to have an objective standard. I don't care about people smoking pot, I just think it's rational to have a conversation about behaviors that can impact those that don't smoke, and driving while high is one of those behaviors.
I'm not sure, I haven't looked into the process behind it because I never drive intoxicated so it's not something I'm at all likely to face. I do know that smell of pot smoke in a car is probable cause, "open containers" (a baggie and paraphernalia in reach) of pot is illegal and also probable cause, obvious signs of intoxication (red eyes, failing a normal field sobriety test) are also probable cause as well.
Once they have probable cause they can demand a blood sample or your license, just like with alcohol. Really the instant alcohol breathalyzer just lets cops let people go easier.
How do we measure how "high" someone is on painkillers? Xanax? Alcohol?
Do you realize that a serious alcoholic will seem more "sober" within a threshold of blood alcohol content?
Do you realize that cannabis doesn't impair a person like alcohol?
Mind your own business, and let people be charged with poor driving. Police aren't medical professionals, and they have no business conducting medical procedures on the side of the road. I don't care if the impairment is due to a medication. The moronic concept that an RX somehow makes an excuse is also deluded.
Painkillers and Xanax are controlled substances, and the discussion is on making marijuana not controlled. So that argument is entirely different and not what is going on here. People that are prescribed those drugs aren't supposed to drive on them anyway. "Do not drive or operate heavy machinery if you are taking..."
Also, just because an alcoholic will seem more sober at a given BAC doesn't mean they aren't actually impaired and should be able to drive. Is that an argument you are trying to make? And while cannabis and alcohol may impair people differently, we are talking about generally driving under the influence - whatever that influence may be. Until pro-marijuana people can have a conversation without getting butthurt about how it is reasonable for sober people to express themselves about not wanting others driving under the influence of any drugs, then this conversation is moot. You can't drive or be in public while drunk, so why can't we reach some compromise about limits on driving or being high in public?
And finally, police don't have to be medical professionals to have you blow in a machine and see if you are over the accepted legal alcohol limit to drive.
I'm saying that not even the breathalyzer is accurate for judging impairment, it's just there to prove the existence of alcohol.
A medication being controlled doesn't mean it magically becomes non-impairing. Also, cannabis not being controlled doesn't magically make it impairing.
I don't believe cannabis impairs driving. Coffee sure doesnt. Xanax definitely does impair driving.
One thing I've noticed having spent lots of time around both alcohol and cannabis users is that booze makes you more likely to overestimate your sobriety (or driving skill for that matter), and then go forth and get into trouble. A lightweight cannabis user is a lot more likely to either couchlock in front of a video game/tv show/stereo or just fall asleep, but a drunk guy might think riding his motorcycle home is a good idea.
Literally saved a friend's life by not letting him do the latter once, never had to physically stop someone high from doing something extremely dangerous.
There are ways to measure the active THC metabolites in someone's blood/saliva/urine...
However they CHOOSE to keep it the way it is, testing for inactive THC metabolites, so they can screw you out of your money/time/freedom/job a month and a half after sharing a joint with your uncle on the family camping trip.
You don't think it's a big win for insurance companies to send you to get drug tested whenever you injure yourself at work? You cut your toes off on a faulty machine at work and the insurance company denies your claim because you were "high" when it happened (even though you haven't smoked in a month).
Some states have begun testing for active metabolites but it's a very very short list.
He’s basically said the same thing as he always says, “Leave it up to the states.” If he were to make a big announcement that he’s going to decriminalize, it could swing a lot of otherwise left leaning folks, and it would make a ton of TDS ridden liberals seethe
Pick up a Browning M2 and just mount that sucker to a steel post in the middle of my house. If I ever need to, I can just hop on that bitch and spin in a circle.
Wouldn't legalizing it on a fed level just be a matter of "recommending" the bureaucrats remove it from schedule 1? As far as I know scheduling of a particular substance is left entirely to the unelected shitbag class, it's not like congress votes on every novel molecule when they (quite regularly) add em.
Sadly, he would alienate some of his harcore Christian base if he did it now. For some reason, "I give you all the plants and seed bearing fruits to use" doesn't include weed to them.
Reefer Madness rearing it's ugly head 75 years later.
In years past I would agree with you, but I think Christians are learning some middle ground is winning elections which is far better than ushering in communism and an anti-Christian agenda
What do you think they are going to do? You think all these Bible thumpers are going to vote for Biden because Trump decriminalized weed? Not going to happen.
God bestowed all the plants and animals of the Earth for man to use.
The medicinal qualities just need to be better advocated to them and they'll come around. I think the vast majority of Christians and Catholics know it's not as harmful as it was claimed.
I know and live among many who may have felt this way 10 years ago, but I don’t know anyone who would sit out the election over this in the Trump/Biden choice.
And I know a lot of young single issue voters who would jump to support the cause
If it became federally descheduled and pot shops could access traditional banking, that would instantly change the landscape even where it's already "legal". It would be popular among the majority of the electorate, and especially those under 40. So much so it would be hard for MSM to spin it negativity.
I think a real reason for the riots is that these idiots actually think the world is as bad as the DNC wants them to think it is. Doing something like this would, for many of them, be seen as a huge positive, and that enough would get many people to stop rioting.
Everyone knows weed is taxed way too high in Washington and Oregon. Creates a barrier for the broke ass snowflakes tryna get high and forget their shame.
It should, and should be regulated fairly like any other altering substance. None of this get behind the wheel high stuff and expect to get off scot-free. This coming from someone who's never touched the stuff and no desire to personally.
See the thing is, cannabis alone is one of the least hazardous drugs all around, including while operating motor vehicle. If any increased traffic risk, it’s probably going too slow and getting rear-ended.
Whats the old saying about a stoned driver vs a drunk driver? A drunk driver will run through a stop sign, a stoned driver will wait for it to turn green.
I'm a pretty big fan of the herb and regularly partake myself (right now, in fact) but I feel like in some ways the pendulum has swung the other way - now people act like there's absolutely no downside to weed. It provably slows your reaction time so while it's not as dangerous behind the wheel as alcohol, all things equal a sober driver will be safer so I don't think we should be promoting that idea of high driving.
I smoked heavily for about 6 years straight. I stopped one day and stopped feeling so much anxiety. My emotions were more in control and I didn't feel like a slave to the bong anymore. Every once in a while I'll take a small rip, but usually regret doing so. The only benefit it gives me is instant headache and stomachache relief, which are rare anyways. Last time I smoked, I had a major panic attack and thought I was going to dye. Definitely more downsides than people ever speak of.
Yeah, the people I've known who smoke have big side effects people here don't like to admit to. Paranoia is a big one. I'm perfectly happy with all weed being illegal.
Someone’s paranoia is no basis to illegalize something.
“Some people get angry when they’re drunk. I’m perfectly happy with all booze being illegal.”
Far more people try weed exactly because it’s illegal. Removing that galvanizing factor will take away a large percentage of first-time users. Gen Z is already showing a smaller percentage of weed users than millennials.
But see, this is the problem. If you wanna convince people that driving high isn't actually a risky behavior, then prove it. Show some studies on reaction time or something. Quips like "the increased traffic risk is probably from going too slow and getting rear-ended" are asinine.
When someone's personal choices affect those around them - such as driving while high - then it's no longer just a personal choice.
I think this is a very flippantly used stereotype when for many people who have slow reaction times to begin with driving high is a serious risk.
I would trust myself with a mild alcohol buzz over a mild cannabis high when driving.
It should be taxed much less too. In many legal states the taxes are so insane that people still turn to their old dealers to buy it. Why is it that it takes $30 in weed to get enough for a day of smoking, but I can buy enough alcohol to kill myself for $10?
You want DECRIMINALIZATION, not legalization. The government fucked EVERYONE here and all of Canada knows they have their heads up their ass with NO PLAN.
The 'illegal' dispensaries from 2016-2018 all but murdered the door-to-door delivery from 'your guy'. If they had DECRIMINALIZED, many businesses would be paying huge taxes right now and there would be an open market.
Since they legalized instead, illegal shops have all been raided and replaced by government-approved shops that drive the price up by 50% or more...and WE pay close to 60% in tax out of every paycheque already on everything else in life here.
Not only is dispensary weed ridiculously priced (though it is good when it's good), now that it's so expensive you have MORE SMALL TIME DEALERS THAN EVER BEFORE AND ILLEGAL WEED DELIVERY IS NOW HUGE. Congrats, Canada. Once again you didn't listen to the people and now you have MORE WEED CRIME THAN EVER.
Tl;dr America wants DECRIMINALIZATION if they want anything, they do NOT want legalization.
In the US you are technically only prohibited from buying guns if you are an "unlawful user." The doctor said he just lets his card expire and buys guns before renewing.
I grew up around guns and learned a lot at a young age. For me, guns are natural. An overwhelming majority of Canadians have no experience with guns and would refuse if freely given the opportunity. They have no idea what it's like for it to be a part of the culture.
Here, it's viewed as a privilege, and where I live the gun laws are tougher than California. We don't have rifle mags of more than five rounds and handguns are limited to 7. You can't really carry them anywhere in my province.
Hang onto yours while you still have it. 'Legalization' is a slippery slope.
You do have a point that the government has no business controlling marijuana. I don't know if cheeseburgers were on any criminal bills though. "Legalization" is code for Look, a New Racket!.
When you say legalize it, you are giving the government the authority to represent it.
In USA it's a vastly different system than in Canada where the government has its finger in EVERY PIE. Vastly different but parts of the USA are trending that way.
"When you say legalize it, you are giving the government the authority to represent it."
Yeah... that is the difference. The government only has as much authority as the liberals give to them. The baseline here is more of a libertarian foundation. A legal market MAY result in a "new racket" but it doesnt have to. If we legalized it and did not regulate it to death, then there is no way that is worse than having it still be illegal. Id certainly prefer gov't to stay out of my PIE.
I hate smoking. I absolutely hate the idea of it. It's not good for your health or others no matter what you smoke. Yes, Marijuana has its health benefits and I completely understand that. I support consuming it through food or lotions and whatnot. No need to smoke it. And too much of it just like junk food, alcohol, etc... is not good for you. And personally, I don't care about this issue. But if many of you Pedes want Marijuana legalized completely than go for it. It's not my right to stop anybody. It's just my personal decision to stay away from non-medical use of Marijuana.
We shouldn't lock up people for smoking a plant that has harmed no one ever, and has properties that heal the sick, can feed the hungry and that can clothe the needy.
Medicine, Plastics, Fuel, Textiles, Building Materials and Food.
Cannabis and it's cousin Hemp have been used for thousands of years, it's foolish to think the Romans and Egyptians had it wrong on Cannabis.
Legalize it, use it to add even more vitality to the American Economic Machine.
The time has come to Federally Legalize all Cannabis types.
And release all non-violent marijuana users from Jail and Prison.
You can have your own opinion on marijuana and how harmless it is, but citing it being used by an ancient civilization doesn't exactly prove that point
I don’t like marijuana and although I think it helps some people, it lowers other people’s IQs and makes then lazy.
To be fair, I think that legalizing it would reduce the trafficking. I don’t like people being thrown in prison with felonies that ruin their lives over a plant.
However, I refuse to have anything to do with marijuana!
Prediction: Donald Trump blitzes a Libertarian's love list, legalizing marijuana, freeing Assange AND Snowden, and reversing his position on bump stock bans.
He does this, now, because he knows Democrats and RINOs are too weak to oppose him (being caught up in their moronic stalling in Congress). Then he dares liberty loving moderates to vote against him in the election.
People on the internet, especially a lot that migrated from Reddit, are more likely to be potheads. They think it is some magical shit and has healing powers akin to those essential oils weirdos. And they circle jerk themselves into thinking that everyone agrees with them.
100% war on drugs is a joke. Trillions $ wasted on something that is human nature and will never be fixed!!! Im not saying all should be sold. Just not illegal with jail time!!
It’s the easiest and cheapest way to address income inequality among minorities
Less going to jail, less records, more likely to stay in a job, find better work, not have their relationships end as often from financial or judicial reasons, more two parent households, more kids graduating high school and going to college
It would take a generation to see the full effects but it would be amazing.
I think marijuana ought to be legal, but I think states should have the right to make that decision per the 10th amendment. Trump can start by taking it off the federal prohibited substance list.
All he has to do is re-schedule it to a class 2 and it would solve a LOT of problems without pissing off the people who still don't understand what weed is.
Meh. More important things to tackle first, even though I agree.
Decriminalization is my preferred option. Keep the line drawn in the sand, so to speak, but don't ruin people's lives because they get busted with a few grams of shit.
To everyone saying "but you can't measure how high someone is", why don't we use the logical measurement that if someone doesn't actually break any other law while they're using a substance, then how does that matter? It's such a stupid idea that if you drink X amount of alcohol that in and of itself is a crime even if the individual hasn't actually committed another crime.
Like I understand the correlation between intoxication and poor judgement, but by that measurement those that are visually/hearing impaired, take nearly any prescription drug, or are just plain stupid are more likely to exhibit poor judgement, so why not measure stupidity while we're at it? Minimum government means judging someone by their actions, not the possibility of an action. Weed should be legal because it doesn't cause poor behavior, the user does.
I’m split for so many reasons, but ultimately lean in favor of it.
Pros:
We can embrace true liberty by letting people do what the fuck they want with themself
It has legitimate benefits to some conditions, not all of which are worth/necessary doing the whole doctor rigmarole. Not everyone is a deadbeat who smokes.
Lots of other benefits to marijuana outside of smoking it, for manufacturing things, etc.
It exists. It happens. Might as well give people a regulated and safe environment to do it.
It’s a big industry and tax revenue could help fiscally smart governments.
Cons:
Everywhere that legalized it smells like garbage shit fuck cunt ass town because nobody knows how to have nice things and smoke in the privacy of their own abode, so they smoke every where like god damn piss shit animal. I was in Portland when the expansion was allowed in 2017. You could noticeable smell a difference.
Even if people smoke in their own home that disgusting putrid smell permeates for miles.
Most people that smoke are deadbeats. Not all, but let’s be real here. Sketchy ass people are all over the marijuana shops. I saw a noticeable difference in Portland as it became legal and Portland was already deadbeat city.
Part of me thinks that just because people do something doesn’t mean we should automatically just let them do it and regulate it, it kind of feels like it enables that behavior.
But liberty is heavily weighted so it wins for now.
Very similar opinion. But I lean to keep it illegal. If you've got 400 acres and no one else can smell it, it shouldn't be prosecuted for you to grow a little yourself. But that shit stank, both smoked and as a plant.
I could compromise and say no smoking it, but I doubt it'll stop people from skunking up everything.
You keep citing Portland as if it's a great city full of wonderful people that didn't just throw an insurrection party. Yeah, you're right, it's all weed's fault.
Lol. Yeah Portland is a shithole. But I noticed vegas was the same. I usually go 2+ times a year since 2008. And of course there were always pockets of weed smell, especially downtown, but you can definitely smell the difference now that it’s legal. It’s everywhere.You even smell it all over the strip sidewalk much more than in the past.
Easy decision yes, easily done, no. The US has international drug treaties, so there will be some legal mumbo jumbo more than just saying "poof its legal"
He should put magic mushrooms (psilocybin) on schedule V so that psychiatrists can prescribe it in a controlled environment
Both have astounding medical merit
He should make trafficking heroin, crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and fentanyl be narco-terrorism of a degree akin to treason and punished with death sentence
He should make people taking these things be put into a special prison that is really a low security rehab prison, where they are given the option to take psychedelics to reverse their addiction and accelerate their release, and retrained for polite society through meritorious acts they can do inside this prison as community service; things that actually pay for this service (they add value). Some will say this is slavery, but fuck them. We already make prisoners work
I gotta be honest. I’ve never met anyone waiting for heroine to be legal to start and I don’t know anyone who would start if it became legal. Federal drug laws seem kinda pointless to me. We all have to be responsible for our own decisions.
The issue is a lot of drugs rob you of your own decision making process. That's why they are dangerous. You're talking to an ex-pothead. When I was smoking, it felt like it was the answer to every one of my problems. Anything that makes you feel that way, is not to be trusted.
I agree with you, our young people cannot handle it, they will never recover with that being legal plus all the other drugs that are ruining them, plus the lousy schools, plus the lousy entertainment industry. No, bad for future generations of Americans.
It kinda did. It provided unearned happiness that led to feelings of contentment where-in I should've been working for it. It provided an outlet for things that should've been resolved meaningfully. Instead I saturated my brain with drugs to simulate achievement, instead of actually accomplishing anything. I regret ever smoking weed.
Same thing can be said for video games, or sex, or basically any other vice.
Granting the state almost infinite power to intrude into our lives because someone out there might be making a poor decision is not what I consider a good idea. I judge prohibitionist policy by its completely disastrous track record.
And it was done using extremely twisted logic that says "growing wheat on your own land to feed your own cows affects inter-state commerce, therefore pretty much anything affects inter-state commerce, therefore pretty much anything falls under the inter-state commerce regulation powers of the govt in the constitution". Therefore pot can be banned, despite the constitution not actually granting the govt that power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
It's crazy we had a constitutional amendment to prohibit alcohol, and then another constitutional amendment to repeal the prohibition, but just a little judicial activism to authorize prohibition of every substance under the sun.
That's what happens when democrats come to power. fdr was the greatest crime to hit our nation. well... Now obama.
I beg to differ. FDR's policies are still very much in our life while BHO's policies have largely been erased. All we lack is getting totally rid of Obamacare.
one of a few amendments we need includes one to clean up and tighten the interstate commerce clause
And to implement the federal government as a block chain application incapable of violating its constitution
He's also the first president to put American citizens in concentration camps which you couldn't leave without being shot.
Weed is dope.
Easy decision.
No! The Bible Belt won’t legalize it for many more years. It needs to be legalized federally. That way the people who work in the military and DOT can use it without being punished.
Plenty of Midwest states have medical right now.
Plenty doesn’t mean ALL. Lord. It needs to be done in the federal level.
You are trading one federal overreach for another.
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It should appeal to all Conservatives who believe in limited government. If you think politicians should be allowed to lock you in a cage for personal use marijuana, you're not a Conservative.
IMO.
Yeah exactly the only "conservatives" against it are the extremely sheltered sheeple Christians who nothing about it and don't read the Bible themselves, instead taking somebody else's word for it that "pot bad" is in there
Nah, there are some of us that have no problem with people smoking pot on their own time, but there are currently no methods to measure how "high" someone is. We have laws that regulate how sober you must be to drive, but no regulation on how high is too high to drive. When there is no way to objectively measure an amount of impairment, then maybe a substance shouldn't be legal for widespread use.
If you want to drink alcohol, no problem, but keep your BAC below 0.08 if you wanna drive due to the risk you impose on others. If you wanna smoke pot, no problem, just don't drive when you're too high... and as far as I know, there is no way to enforce this.
You are a bit out of date on your information.. You can easily get a DUI for driving while high in Colorado. They test you on the scene.
Sorry, was unaware!
Colorado has had a legal limit for driving for years, 5ng/ml of THC.
Are they able to measure this roadside? I didn't know that, but I think that is totally fair to have an objective standard. I don't care about people smoking pot, I just think it's rational to have a conversation about behaviors that can impact those that don't smoke, and driving while high is one of those behaviors.
I'm not sure, I haven't looked into the process behind it because I never drive intoxicated so it's not something I'm at all likely to face. I do know that smell of pot smoke in a car is probable cause, "open containers" (a baggie and paraphernalia in reach) of pot is illegal and also probable cause, obvious signs of intoxication (red eyes, failing a normal field sobriety test) are also probable cause as well.
Once they have probable cause they can demand a blood sample or your license, just like with alcohol. Really the instant alcohol breathalyzer just lets cops let people go easier.
That's none of your business.
How do we measure how "high" someone is on painkillers? Xanax? Alcohol?
Do you realize that a serious alcoholic will seem more "sober" within a threshold of blood alcohol content?
Do you realize that cannabis doesn't impair a person like alcohol?
Mind your own business, and let people be charged with poor driving. Police aren't medical professionals, and they have no business conducting medical procedures on the side of the road. I don't care if the impairment is due to a medication. The moronic concept that an RX somehow makes an excuse is also deluded.
Painkillers and Xanax are controlled substances, and the discussion is on making marijuana not controlled. So that argument is entirely different and not what is going on here. People that are prescribed those drugs aren't supposed to drive on them anyway. "Do not drive or operate heavy machinery if you are taking..."
Also, just because an alcoholic will seem more sober at a given BAC doesn't mean they aren't actually impaired and should be able to drive. Is that an argument you are trying to make? And while cannabis and alcohol may impair people differently, we are talking about generally driving under the influence - whatever that influence may be. Until pro-marijuana people can have a conversation without getting butthurt about how it is reasonable for sober people to express themselves about not wanting others driving under the influence of any drugs, then this conversation is moot. You can't drive or be in public while drunk, so why can't we reach some compromise about limits on driving or being high in public?
And finally, police don't have to be medical professionals to have you blow in a machine and see if you are over the accepted legal alcohol limit to drive.
I'm saying that not even the breathalyzer is accurate for judging impairment, it's just there to prove the existence of alcohol.
A medication being controlled doesn't mean it magically becomes non-impairing. Also, cannabis not being controlled doesn't magically make it impairing.
I don't believe cannabis impairs driving. Coffee sure doesnt. Xanax definitely does impair driving.
Eh, pot can definitely impair your ability to drive safely, especially if you don't smoke often.
One thing I've noticed having spent lots of time around both alcohol and cannabis users is that booze makes you more likely to overestimate your sobriety (or driving skill for that matter), and then go forth and get into trouble. A lightweight cannabis user is a lot more likely to either couchlock in front of a video game/tv show/stereo or just fall asleep, but a drunk guy might think riding his motorcycle home is a good idea.
Literally saved a friend's life by not letting him do the latter once, never had to physically stop someone high from doing something extremely dangerous.
Driverless cars FTW
There are ways to measure the active THC metabolites in someone's blood/saliva/urine...
However they CHOOSE to keep it the way it is, testing for inactive THC metabolites, so they can screw you out of your money/time/freedom/job a month and a half after sharing a joint with your uncle on the family camping trip.
You don't think it's a big win for insurance companies to send you to get drug tested whenever you injure yourself at work? You cut your toes off on a faulty machine at work and the insurance company denies your claim because you were "high" when it happened (even though you haven't smoked in a month).
Some states have begun testing for active metabolites but it's a very very short list.
He’s basically said the same thing as he always says, “Leave it up to the states.” If he were to make a big announcement that he’s going to decriminalize, it could swing a lot of otherwise left leaning folks, and it would make a ton of TDS ridden liberals seethe
Decriminalize machine guns.
OMG all of my money would go into guns and ammo then. I want to start a new series of art where I sign my name in cursive using a M249 machine gun.
Exactly! It's a 1st amendment issue that you can't own a M249 to sign your name.
Unironically something like this.
Pick up a Browning M2 and just mount that sucker to a steel post in the middle of my house. If I ever need to, I can just hop on that bitch and spin in a circle.
Wouldn't legalizing it on a fed level just be a matter of "recommending" the bureaucrats remove it from schedule 1? As far as I know scheduling of a particular substance is left entirely to the unelected shitbag class, it's not like congress votes on every novel molecule when they (quite regularly) add em.
An order to deschedule it would be effectively legalization.
And the government had no right to make it illegal
After the election.
Sadly, he would alienate some of his harcore Christian base if he did it now. For some reason, "I give you all the plants and seed bearing fruits to use" doesn't include weed to them.
Reefer Madness rearing it's ugly head 75 years later.
In years past I would agree with you, but I think Christians are learning some middle ground is winning elections which is far better than ushering in communism and an anti-Christian agenda
What do you think they are going to do? You think all these Bible thumpers are going to vote for Biden because Trump decriminalized weed? Not going to happen.
Lol, good point.
If he says all revenue from the marijuana tax will be used to help addiction - he wins them over.
We going to tax other medications as well?
Alcohol is medicinal (it’s a depressant) and taxed for leisure use but tax free when used in medical context. Same can apply here.
I know I’m a minority here but I’m fine with pigovian taxes subsidies to correct for market failures.
Not if he frames it as a creation of God.
God bestowed all the plants and animals of the Earth for man to use.
The medicinal qualities just need to be better advocated to them and they'll come around. I think the vast majority of Christians and Catholics know it's not as harmful as it was claimed.
I think it is like alcoholism: bad for you but your choice.
https://keytocannabis.com/juicing-cannabis-medicine-without-the-high/
I know and live among many who may have felt this way 10 years ago, but I don’t know anyone who would sit out the election over this in the Trump/Biden choice. And I know a lot of young single issue voters who would jump to support the cause
I agree
At this point, go for it. Everyone needs to chill the Fuck out
Instant end to all riots
Patently false, Seattle & Portland you dope
If it became federally descheduled and pot shops could access traditional banking, that would instantly change the landscape even where it's already "legal". It would be popular among the majority of the electorate, and especially those under 40. So much so it would be hard for MSM to spin it negativity.
I think a real reason for the riots is that these idiots actually think the world is as bad as the DNC wants them to think it is. Doing something like this would, for many of them, be seen as a huge positive, and that enough would get many people to stop rioting.
Everyone knows weed is taxed way too high in Washington and Oregon. Creates a barrier for the broke ass snowflakes tryna get high and forget their shame.
But it’s legal to grow up to six plants— oh wait that would require work. Never mind, libs aren’t up for work even if it means cheap pot.
It should, and should be regulated fairly like any other altering substance. None of this get behind the wheel high stuff and expect to get off scot-free. This coming from someone who's never touched the stuff and no desire to personally.
Very underrated comment right here.
People can’t see through the years of indoctrination.
God gave us weed. It has medicinal, recreational, and functional uses. Wake up my brothers and sisters. It’s been kept from us
I completely agree.
I also believe the exact same argument applies to ayahuasca.
See the thing is, cannabis alone is one of the least hazardous drugs all around, including while operating motor vehicle. If any increased traffic risk, it’s probably going too slow and getting rear-ended.
Whats the old saying about a stoned driver vs a drunk driver? A drunk driver will run through a stop sign, a stoned driver will wait for it to turn green.
That's fairly accurate.
Can confirm.. never thought it would happen to me.
I'm a pretty big fan of the herb and regularly partake myself (right now, in fact) but I feel like in some ways the pendulum has swung the other way - now people act like there's absolutely no downside to weed. It provably slows your reaction time so while it's not as dangerous behind the wheel as alcohol, all things equal a sober driver will be safer so I don't think we should be promoting that idea of high driving.
I smoked heavily for about 6 years straight. I stopped one day and stopped feeling so much anxiety. My emotions were more in control and I didn't feel like a slave to the bong anymore. Every once in a while I'll take a small rip, but usually regret doing so. The only benefit it gives me is instant headache and stomachache relief, which are rare anyways. Last time I smoked, I had a major panic attack and thought I was going to dye. Definitely more downsides than people ever speak of.
Yeah, the people I've known who smoke have big side effects people here don't like to admit to. Paranoia is a big one. I'm perfectly happy with all weed being illegal.
Someone’s paranoia is no basis to illegalize something.
“Some people get angry when they’re drunk. I’m perfectly happy with all booze being illegal.”
Far more people try weed exactly because it’s illegal. Removing that galvanizing factor will take away a large percentage of first-time users. Gen Z is already showing a smaller percentage of weed users than millennials.
But see, this is the problem. If you wanna convince people that driving high isn't actually a risky behavior, then prove it. Show some studies on reaction time or something. Quips like "the increased traffic risk is probably from going too slow and getting rear-ended" are asinine.
When someone's personal choices affect those around them - such as driving while high - then it's no longer just a personal choice.
I agree with all that, but my perspective is that weed is the LEAST of our problems.
I think this is a very flippantly used stereotype when for many people who have slow reaction times to begin with driving high is a serious risk. I would trust myself with a mild alcohol buzz over a mild cannabis high when driving.
It should be taxed much less too. In many legal states the taxes are so insane that people still turn to their old dealers to buy it. Why is it that it takes $30 in weed to get enough for a day of smoking, but I can buy enough alcohol to kill myself for $10?
A gram of overpriced primo can cost damn near $30 out the door at a legal shop depending on where you are.
Coming from a Canadapede, HARD NO.
You want DECRIMINALIZATION, not legalization. The government fucked EVERYONE here and all of Canada knows they have their heads up their ass with NO PLAN.
The 'illegal' dispensaries from 2016-2018 all but murdered the door-to-door delivery from 'your guy'. If they had DECRIMINALIZED, many businesses would be paying huge taxes right now and there would be an open market.
Since they legalized instead, illegal shops have all been raided and replaced by government-approved shops that drive the price up by 50% or more...and WE pay close to 60% in tax out of every paycheque already on everything else in life here.
Not only is dispensary weed ridiculously priced (though it is good when it's good), now that it's so expensive you have MORE SMALL TIME DEALERS THAN EVER BEFORE AND ILLEGAL WEED DELIVERY IS NOW HUGE. Congrats, Canada. Once again you didn't listen to the people and now you have MORE WEED CRIME THAN EVER.
Tl;dr America wants DECRIMINALIZATION if they want anything, they do NOT want legalization.
Prove me wrong.
No. 100% Wrong. That's NOT a problem with "legalisation" that's a problem with government control thereof.
Cheeseburgers are legalized, and the government isn't rounding up Ol' Pappy's BBQ down on the corner.
In Canada the State is in everything. They're just very nice about taxing you 26-45%.
Right, so it's a government controlling the means of production and distribution problem. It being legal isn't the problem.
You're not wrong, but my point is that the connotation of legalization is a slippery slope.
The nomenclature you're seeking is decriminalization. Legalization means the government WILL have a hand in your pocket.
What you're saying is factually incorrect.
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-legalization-and-decriminalization/
Perhaps this is so. My point is that they fucked the market up bigtime here and I hope they do it differently there.
You live in a country that voted a dude named JUSTIN to lead it. Your country has no idea what the fuck they are doing, we don't need your advice.
They tax it like 27% in Mass. I don't mind cause its better than whatever I'd have to get illegally. In Maine you can grow your own which is great.
Can't you get medical? Just say you have PTSD like we do in CT.
If you get medical in Canada you may be excluding yourself from driving but you'll definitely exclude yourself from owning guns.
In the US you are technically only prohibited from buying guns if you are an "unlawful user." The doctor said he just lets his card expire and buys guns before renewing.
I grew up around guns and learned a lot at a young age. For me, guns are natural. An overwhelming majority of Canadians have no experience with guns and would refuse if freely given the opportunity. They have no idea what it's like for it to be a part of the culture.
Here, it's viewed as a privilege, and where I live the gun laws are tougher than California. We don't have rifle mags of more than five rounds and handguns are limited to 7. You can't really carry them anywhere in my province.
Hang onto yours while you still have it. 'Legalization' is a slippery slope.
Not legal in NH. I have to cross into ME or MA.
Maine has the best growing laws ever.
They are the only ones that actually make sense.
NOPE - you are wrong.
The problem is government control. Legalization is great. Legalization means you can grow it right at home and share with your neighbors if you want.
You do have a point that the government has no business controlling marijuana. I don't know if cheeseburgers were on any criminal bills though. "Legalization" is code for Look, a New Racket!.
When you say legalize it, you are giving the government the authority to represent it.
In USA it's a vastly different system than in Canada where the government has its finger in EVERY PIE. Vastly different but parts of the USA are trending that way.
Either way we need a Landslide in 2020
"When you say legalize it, you are giving the government the authority to represent it."
Yeah... that is the difference. The government only has as much authority as the liberals give to them. The baseline here is more of a libertarian foundation. A legal market MAY result in a "new racket" but it doesnt have to. If we legalized it and did not regulate it to death, then there is no way that is worse than having it still be illegal. Id certainly prefer gov't to stay out of my PIE.
A landslide would be nice.
Good point. Listen to the leafs when it comes to marijuana. There’s more than just maple leaves up north
Everything you need to know about Canadian dope can be learned by watching Trailer Park Boys from the very beginning.
I love TPB!
HASH HOCKEY
Decriminalize is all that Trump can do. Legalize would be an act of Congress.
Trump can however grant banking access to pot shops.
If Trump did this, I'd vote for him. I mean, I'm voting for him anyway, but if he did this, I'd still definitely vote for him.
Any day now... come on! Beat the democrats to it.
Now that you mention it, I have not heard democrats mention legal weed even once.
I hate smoking. I absolutely hate the idea of it. It's not good for your health or others no matter what you smoke. Yes, Marijuana has its health benefits and I completely understand that. I support consuming it through food or lotions and whatnot. No need to smoke it. And too much of it just like junk food, alcohol, etc... is not good for you. And personally, I don't care about this issue. But if many of you Pedes want Marijuana legalized completely than go for it. It's not my right to stop anybody. It's just my personal decision to stay away from non-medical use of Marijuana.
I dry vape it, no combustion. I use a Dynavap and an Arizer Solo II. Edibles are also nice when I visit legal states. Smoking isn't the only option :)
Picked it back up at almost 40yo after not using it since my 20s. I dig it. Mellows me out in the evenings.
I see you’re a man of culture as well. Dynavap ftw
Mighty owner over here. Vaping practically erased all the cons of me ripping a bong everyday.
We shouldn't lock up people for smoking a plant that has harmed no one ever, and has properties that heal the sick, can feed the hungry and that can clothe the needy.
Medicine, Plastics, Fuel, Textiles, Building Materials and Food.
Cannabis and it's cousin Hemp have been used for thousands of years, it's foolish to think the Romans and Egyptians had it wrong on Cannabis.
Legalize it, use it to add even more vitality to the American Economic Machine.
The time has come to Federally Legalize all Cannabis types.
And release all non-violent marijuana users from Jail and Prison.
“For smoking a plant that has harmed no one ever”
What utter ignorance.
Do you know how many innocent people - including children - have died in car accidents thanks to dope smoking?
Look it up.
That’s like saying “for drinking alcohol that has harmed no one ever”.
BREATHTAKING IGNORANCE
The Romans also practiced bloodletting lmao
You can have your own opinion on marijuana and how harmless it is, but citing it being used by an ancient civilization doesn't exactly prove that point
I think he's closer to putting the FDA through a fierce colonoscopy from top-to-bottom.
But. I think that's actually on the menu.
I don’t like marijuana and although I think it helps some people, it lowers other people’s IQs and makes then lazy.
To be fair, I think that legalizing it would reduce the trafficking. I don’t like people being thrown in prison with felonies that ruin their lives over a plant.
However, I refuse to have anything to do with marijuana!
DO IT, MAKE THE COMMIE-CRATS CRY!
People I know just got paranoid and lazy, and reclusive. Stopped having dreams at night.
tbh, the only reason I support is for less fucking government intervention. Smoke if you want, not for me, but fine for you.
I don't want anyone within half a mile of me to smoke it. That shit stinks.
End the war on drugs
Prediction: Donald Trump blitzes a Libertarian's love list, legalizing marijuana, freeing Assange AND Snowden, and reversing his position on bump stock bans.
He does this, now, because he knows Democrats and RINOs are too weak to oppose him (being caught up in their moronic stalling in Congress). Then he dares liberty loving moderates to vote against him in the election.
This not Art of the Deal. Legalize marijuana if drug dealers get mandatory death penalty.
Maybe it should just be left to the states.
Why would he do this?
People on the internet, especially a lot that migrated from Reddit, are more likely to be potheads. They think it is some magical shit and has healing powers akin to those essential oils weirdos. And they circle jerk themselves into thinking that everyone agrees with them.
If that’s his October surprise it’ll be the final nail in the coffin for the Democrats and the PharmaPhascist evil doers.
We need to move past big pharma and their lies and get back to natural remedies
100% war on drugs is a joke. Trillions $ wasted on something that is human nature and will never be fixed!!! Im not saying all should be sold. Just not illegal with jail time!!
It’s the easiest and cheapest way to address income inequality among minorities
Less going to jail, less records, more likely to stay in a job, find better work, not have their relationships end as often from financial or judicial reasons, more two parent households, more kids graduating high school and going to college
It would take a generation to see the full effects but it would be amazing.
I don’t think he can without congress
ATF? You mean DEA?
The commies would be in such a pickle. How could a hipster ever vote against a president legalizing weed?
Weed is tight.
I think marijuana ought to be legal, but I think states should have the right to make that decision per the 10th amendment. Trump can start by taking it off the federal prohibited substance list.
All he has to do is re-schedule it to a class 2 and it would solve a LOT of problems without pissing off the people who still don't understand what weed is.
Really hope so.... it would be a smart move.
Especially since NORML is jizzing their pants over KOPMALA rn: https://norml.org/blog/2020/08/12/tokin-woman-kamala-harris-gets-vp-nod/
Attorney General can literally do it by himself: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/811.htm
Libs would explode if he did this as they could not process it
It's time.
I had this thought at the start of his presidency. It would be legendary and would fuck with so many leftists' minds with this timing.
That is a disgusting and rude doctored picture of President Trump.
A lot of people should not be smoking it but plenty of other people are just fine with it. Not the government's place to make that decision.
Is in a welfare state.
Meh. More important things to tackle first, even though I agree.
Decriminalization is my preferred option. Keep the line drawn in the sand, so to speak, but don't ruin people's lives because they get busted with a few grams of shit.
To everyone saying "but you can't measure how high someone is", why don't we use the logical measurement that if someone doesn't actually break any other law while they're using a substance, then how does that matter? It's such a stupid idea that if you drink X amount of alcohol that in and of itself is a crime even if the individual hasn't actually committed another crime.
Like I understand the correlation between intoxication and poor judgement, but by that measurement those that are visually/hearing impaired, take nearly any prescription drug, or are just plain stupid are more likely to exhibit poor judgement, so why not measure stupidity while we're at it? Minimum government means judging someone by their actions, not the possibility of an action. Weed should be legal because it doesn't cause poor behavior, the user does.
I’m split for so many reasons, but ultimately lean in favor of it.
Pros:
Cons:
But liberty is heavily weighted so it wins for now.
Very well worded. And formatted to boot!
Very similar opinion. But I lean to keep it illegal. If you've got 400 acres and no one else can smell it, it shouldn't be prosecuted for you to grow a little yourself. But that shit stank, both smoked and as a plant.
I could compromise and say no smoking it, but I doubt it'll stop people from skunking up everything.
You keep citing Portland as if it's a great city full of wonderful people that didn't just throw an insurrection party. Yeah, you're right, it's all weed's fault.
Lol. Yeah Portland is a shithole. But I noticed vegas was the same. I usually go 2+ times a year since 2008. And of course there were always pockets of weed smell, especially downtown, but you can definitely smell the difference now that it’s legal. It’s everywhere.You even smell it all over the strip sidewalk much more than in the past.
The city of sin smells bad? Gee, never would have guessed that. Your examples are shit and frankly aren't doing much for your argument
I don’t understand what your argument is, nor do I think you understand mine.
All I’m saying is it was at one level before, and at a significantly higher Level after. That’s it. That’s my argument.
Also several things can be true at once. Your descriptions of those places are true. But it is also true they got worse.
I'm saying you blaming weed for that is asinine
Me blaming the smell of weed getting stronger on weed is asinine? What is the extra weed smell then?
Why are you so uppity lol
I don't smoke anymore but I'd love to grow and sell it. Botany is fun af.
If he does it he should just do it. Dont run on it.
I don't understand people who make this a big priority. If pot means that much to you, grow up or move.
That would be the clincher right there.
Nope. Legalization of weed is why the cities suck.
Democrat leadership is why these cities suck.
Easy decision yes, easily done, no. The US has international drug treaties, so there will be some legal mumbo jumbo more than just saying "poof its legal"
I think he should make Cannabis federally legal
He should put magic mushrooms (psilocybin) on schedule V so that psychiatrists can prescribe it in a controlled environment
Both have astounding medical merit
He should make trafficking heroin, crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and fentanyl be narco-terrorism of a degree akin to treason and punished with death sentence
He should make people taking these things be put into a special prison that is really a low security rehab prison, where they are given the option to take psychedelics to reverse their addiction and accelerate their release, and retrained for polite society through meritorious acts they can do inside this prison as community service; things that actually pay for this service (they add value). Some will say this is slavery, but fuck them. We already make prisoners work
No real changes to cocaine, lsd, others
I'm 5 years clean and sober and I would love to see him do that shit!
Tax. The. Heck. Outta it.
Put that toward MORE cops.
Rinse repeat.
Only thing I hate about pot is the smell. Places where people smoke openly stink the shit out of everything.
In your own home though? Go nuts.
YES, LET'S GET IT DONE ALREADY!
Me: "Looks at every single stoner community."
Me: "Looks at all the good weed has done for anyone ever."
Me: "Nah."
Me: “Does exact same survey of alcohol use“ Me: “Waits for anti-pot pedes to make constitutional case for a return to prohibition” Me: ...
That's a good point. But it can be applied to nearly every drug out there. So, legalize everything?
I gotta be honest. I’ve never met anyone waiting for heroine to be legal to start and I don’t know anyone who would start if it became legal. Federal drug laws seem kinda pointless to me. We all have to be responsible for our own decisions.
The issue is a lot of drugs rob you of your own decision making process. That's why they are dangerous. You're talking to an ex-pothead. When I was smoking, it felt like it was the answer to every one of my problems. Anything that makes you feel that way, is not to be trusted.
I see it as an anti-slavery thing. 13th amendment prohibits hard drugs.
I agree with you, our young people cannot handle it, they will never recover with that being legal plus all the other drugs that are ruining them, plus the lousy schools, plus the lousy entertainment industry. No, bad for future generations of Americans.
So you made an adult decision for yourself and I commend that. But the law didn’t deter you and legalization wouldn’t drive you back to it.
pot didn't make you a piece of shit addict
It kinda did. It provided unearned happiness that led to feelings of contentment where-in I should've been working for it. It provided an outlet for things that should've been resolved meaningfully. Instead I saturated my brain with drugs to simulate achievement, instead of actually accomplishing anything. I regret ever smoking weed.
Same thing can be said for video games, or sex, or basically any other vice.
Granting the state almost infinite power to intrude into our lives because someone out there might be making a poor decision is not what I consider a good idea. I judge prohibitionist policy by its completely disastrous track record.
That's a you problem man. Not an us problem.
Yes and if some junkie wants to die from a OD one less junkie. I’m not your nanny and I’m sure as fuck not your sugar daddy
perhaps you do not know about the stoners who are professionals with PhDs.
Ah yes, all 5 of them.