Government is supposed to be the guard against evil, for "he does not bear the sword in vain". After self conscience and family, there is the government to contain the sin of humanity. California government has forfeited its authority by allowing this to happen. This must be challenged in court.
Politics IS a religion for the left. They have idols, preachers, doctrines, congregations, now even an original sin that is "whiteness". The only thing they don't have is God.
To be fair, if you read the article, this is a legitimate case of LGBT inequality. I just think they should move in the OPPOSITE direction.
Under the current law, if a 25 year old man has sex with an underaged girl, the judge can opt not to put him on the sex offender registry, if he feels it's not necessary, while the same can't be said if the underaged sex was with a boy.
This is a legit case of sexuality-based discrimination, HOWEVER. I think it should go the other way around and put those people on the sex offender list no matter what.
The logic behind this was that a straight couple could get pregnant and therefore it didn't always make sense to put the offender on a sex offender list because it would interfere with stuff like child support. But fuck em. Lock the pedos up and register them.
You are ignoring the fact that 16 and 17 year old girls get fake ID's and go bar hopping, usually a few years after they started being sexually active.
I think the judge SHOULD have discretion for this scenario because it's a very common one. If it's a neighbor or friend's older son who fucks your 14 year old in your house, let judge give that man the hammer.
If you're legitimately worried about fucking a 16-year-old you met in a club then, yes, not fucking random strangers is a perfectly good solution to your problem. Ask her out for dinner on a weeknight and if she says "I can't; it's a school night" OOPS you were about to fuck a teenager.
Except that that circumstance shouldn't be a crime at all. A crime should require mens rea, so the man would have to know or have reason to believe that the girl is underage. If she has fake ID and is in a bar, that's on her, not him. It shouldn't be up to a judge to opt out of anything: it should be not guilty.
There's a rise and fall to all civilizations. Towards the end of the cycle decadence sets in and morals become far looser. We saw the same pattern with Rome.
The Republic lasted around 5 centuries but was beyond corrupted over 2 centuries BEFORE Augustus made it a formality on paper only. Caesar tried and they stabbed him to death.
...and Greece. And Persia. And Babylon (the whole writing on the wall thing started with an orgy using the furnishings of Israel's Temple.) And Israel. And Egypt.
This is how you get a "and then one day, for no reason at all people voted Hitler." It's not the end, at least not yet. It may be, it might even lead to a new rise in the history of civilization. The period while it's happening is probably gonna be shit though.
Anytime someones says this I feel obliged to point out...they always had the right to marry. Just like everyone else. What they did was change the legal definition of marriage to mean something else.
I don't even believe that. I thought you could list anyone on your life insurance policy. If I'm single, but I have a nephew that I love, I can make him the beneficiary, right?
I actually hate occam's razor and think it is poor logic. Take trump russian collusion for example. Which has more assumptions?
The FBI, CIA, NSA, Congressional committees, members of his own administration, england, Italy, ukraine, and more, all conspired against trump to frame him falsely as a russian. There was a huge conspiracy, seth rich was murdered and covered up, and the SC was entirely fraudulent just to keep the lie going.
Or..
Trump just really colluded with russia.
Which explanation is true? Which would occams razor prefer?
Yeah, but what you and I think or know just isn't important. We're just serfs. It is the all powerful rulers in black like Anthony Kennedy who make decisions for us.
neither the article's title nor OP's title bears out when one reads the article.
The issue at hand: if the law does not prescribe minimum sentencing for heterosexual crimes involving same ages, they claim it shouldn't for gay people.
Personally, I think California needs to make their age of consent laws less overall retarded:
California laws have this state of idiocy where their age of consent is 18 and ANY sex under that age is considered in violation of age of consent. (No minimum age under which one can get married with parental approval though)
They have no 'Romeo and Juliet' type bracket exceptions to accommodate relations of young people with each other. Just a hard cut-off
They should lower age of consent to 16 and most of their silly cases go away. At that point nothing wrong with straightening out proper penalties for offenders who prey on younger people.
Instead their legislature aims at unrealistic human standards, judges are carving out exceptions to try and prevent this stupid legislation from ruining lives and real predators slipping through the cracks created.
Exactly. Pedophilia is not a teenager of 14-17. It is a prepubescent child. 14-17 is statutory rape. And even the idea that a 17 year old doesn’t understand how to consent is ridiculous. This difference between consent and pedophilia is like Me Too conflating sexual harassment with sexual assault. The difference is dangerous and pisses me off. People, please don’t try and act like an adult having sex with a 16 yr old is the same as a 6 year old. It’s harmful and overly modern to conflate the two. I’m not saying I support this bill but it’s a difference we should be clear on. Or else the real problem that destroys children physically, psychologically, and spiritually will become acceptable somehow.
There are 17 year olds in bars with fake ID's that do NOT look 17. A 25 year old guy in a bar picking up one of these girls is not pedophilia. A 22 year old guy who meets a 17 year old who looks older then she is and she lies about her age is also a reasonable scenario that happens.
I agree, we need to be careful with this "anything under 18 is pedo because I'm an angry old dude, get off my lawn, harumf" shit. It could be your 22 year old.son suddenly facing a lifetime pedo tag on him.
This is why the judge is allowed some leeway based on the situation.
I dont care if there are 17yr olds in bars with fake IDs. If you are old enough to be in bars then grow the fuck up and stop sticking your penis or allowing yourself to be stuck with penises with people who you don't really know.
So unknowingly having sex up with someone who is 17 years and 364 days old is pedophilia but when have sex one day after it isn't pedophilia? Pedophilia by its definition is the attraction to minors and is not the same thing as having sex with someone who is younger than an arbitrary age cut off. Obviously there is a certain point (maybe defined as prepubescence/during pubescence) where it is pedophilia.
In case you haven't noticed, people meet in bars. Girls may go on a follow up date and that young just turned 21 year old GI may not realize she is younger then she's advertising. Maybe they sleep on a second date, and the military police sweep the barracks. Maybe the college kid takes her on a date, and cops raid the frat party where they are banging later. Maybe it's even the parents who call it in.
I think the puritanism on display here is kind of silly tbph. There are a lot of scenarios where a girl can misrepresent her age and the guy is busted sleeping with her. We should accommodate within the law for these cases.
Actually it’s not. Look it up. Pedophilia is specifically towards prepubescent children. Actual children. Kids. Babies. Little elementary school aged kiddos. Toddlers. Ten year olds. On the other hand, sexually fully developed minors is statutory rape. It is often wrong and can be damaging. And in every non modern time of human history was totally normal before we added a new arbitrary age to adulthood. It should not be confused with the evil, devastating damage, and lifelong ruin of raping a child. It must not be confused with that. There is nothing you can say to convince me that having sex with a 16 year old is the same as a 7 year old. Just ask yourself if someone had sex with your 16 year old vs with your 7 year old or 2 year old how you’d react and that shows the difference. I’m not sticking up for the former but in condemnation of the latter they absolutely must not be confused.
-LadyPede
Fuck off. Do you realize that kids actually hit puberty at all different levels, many far far earlier than 8 now bc of all the soy in our food and health & beauty products while others hit it in much later teens due to eating disorders, anxiety, and other mental issues?
Quit using presence of boobs on a child as to determine if pedo or hepb. You dont know by looking at a child if they have started their period or not. Something seriously wrong with an adult who looks in any sexual way. Fucking disgusting. I pray you don't have a 16yr old daughter with a grown man lusting after her ffs
It’s not about having boobs or a period. We’re talking about the definition of pedophile vs statutory rape. Your definition is wrong. A ten year old can have a period they’re still a child. It makes me sick that anyone would feel the same way about a 16 year old who is conscious enough to know what they are doing having sex as a helpless baby being raped. It is NOT the same. If you see it as the same I question you. If you see the person doing that as the same I question you. There is no evil involved in being physically attracted to someone who looks so much like a grown adult that you’d have to check ID to tell the difference. It may be rightfully illegal and immoral but it is not the same. Someone being attracted to a little kid is sick and evil and entirely unnatural and would completely destroy that child’s entire life. I speak from experience on both. A grown man being attracted to a 16 year old in most states is considered ok. If I were the parent I’d threaten him to leave her alone and probably punch him in the face. If an adult went after my seven year old however, I would tear them apart with my bare hands and feed their body parts to wild animals. See, that’s the difference. And actually the definition of pedophilia is prepubescent, if you don’t agree with that take it up with the dictionary. 🤷🏼♀️
Oh but thought pedophilia was only about PREPUBESCENT children? 🙄
Take it up with the dictionary? Like meanings havent been changed before to suit agendas. Stick up for grown adults wanting to have sex with teens then, by all means. Disgusting
If a grown ass man or woman goes after my 16 yr I would feel the same if they go after my 7 yr old. Grown men and women don't need to fucking prey on children!
I dunno but that's at least more reasonable than what is proposed. A 24 year old with a 14 year old is predatory. (some people have stunted development but that's rare)
I just don't trust the pervert who is proposing the change.
The proposed thing is to allow judge discretion for cases that have some special extenuating circumstances.
I used to be for that, but seeing all the DAs use their discretion to let off rioters and violent thugs, I don't know if judicial discretion is really a good thing. Better to have clearer and saner laws.
Some situations with current laws, a well meaning judge having such discretion would be good - like a teen spiking an adult's drink, or teens could prey on someone with actual developmental problems, or what I believe is the most common case - where teens lie about their ages. Really don't like that the courts hold people as guilty of a crime because someone else lied to them.
They have basically made casual hook-up culture among young people illegal with that, which I believe is morally good for social structure but should not be accomplished by such ill-conceived means.
these monsters need to be stopped. this is some of the sickest most vile shit going on in the world right now and its happening in America of all places. pure evil
I meant to say “full of fucking beasts of humans” 🤣 my b I was in the emergency room, this morning I had heart and stomach problems pedes :/ I’m all good now but please pray for me ♥️
Really wish there would be a federal standard regarding the age, as it is baffling how in some states 16 year olds can bang who they want but in others its 17 or 18. And those outlier cases when a girl who is underage goes to a club and is let in, goes home with a guy, he assumes she is of age since she is in the club, and then later it is discovered she is underage.
I also believe the punishments should be much more severe in cases of prepubescent children, since they are in fact children and not young adults.
And those outlier cases when a girl who is underage goes to a club and is let in, goes home with a guy, he assumes she is of age since she is in the club, and then later it is discovered she is underage.
This is one of the most unfair ones yet. It's not fair to anyone. This has happened to a friend of mine. He met the girl in the bar, assumed she was old enough to be at the bar.
Technically that’s already the case in California, this just extends those protections to gay people since their current law is only for straight people.
Something like that happen with Akon when he basically humped a girl on stage assuming she was 18 since that was the age to get in, but then she turned out to be like 15
Those degenerates might argue that gay rape should be punished less since it doesn't cause pregnancy. We are talking about crazy people that aren't in a straitjacket!
if these monsters have their way they will transform the state into a twisted paradise of corruption, evil, degeneracy and violence, the likes of which will rival some of the worst human history has ever seen, its well on its way there.
America is a holy, good nation, and when something like that gets twisted and perverted it falls further than anything else can. I can see it now.
These people are fucking disgusting and retarded. Where in their world, spreading aids is nowhere near as bad as not wearing a mask that spreads a highly survivable cold.
There was a petition to split the state up, everyone signed... it was supposed to be up for the vote. Then they removed it. Ca would have been split into 3 states.
We had the votes, the idiots on the left wanted to split and we on the right wanted to split. I have no idea how they all of a sudden they decided NO you can't vote on it. It sucks I'm trying to convince my fiancee we need to move but both our families are here in Ca. Both our families are conservative out side of my younger sister and my idiot brother in law.
It looks that we might be the ones starting the exodus, we're saving to get married and with 90% of immediate and extended family it would be easier to have it in Ca. but after that we need to leave if things haven't changed in this shit hole state (doesn't look like it will)
True, but if they hate us so much let us leave. We didn't want the coastal cities, I forget where the split would have been but right leaning Ca. would have been more inland and the left would keep the shit hole Pandæmonium cities they created.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it would have been a bad idea anyway. The way the lines were drawn, it would have spread the liberalism to all three, at minimum two of the new states. Liberals would have gained even more power. Split it in half, keeping liberal areas clearly in their own state, and leaving conservative areas in their own would have been ideal.
I never pray for death and destruction but some days I want God's judgement to fall on the San Andreas fault and finally get that 10.0. The ugly one too not the shake back and forth..no I want the one that makes waves so it looks like the Earth is flinging these faggots into the Pacific
Yes they do require some federal aid but compared to other states its almost nothing.
California: Net federal funding: $12 per resident
Texas: Net federal funding: $304 per resident
Kentucky: Net federal funding: $9,145 per resident
You can clearly see that they are not even close to the most Gib Me Dat welfare state. Im sure that If they were cut off from federal funding a few small programs might need to be downsized/cut but overall It wouldn't make a huge difference. People here shit on California a lot but you should realize that even if politically its a shit state, economically speaking it ranks very high.
You're believing propaganda. California is a shithole in economic dire straits. I wish they would declare themselves their own country so we can then see how well their " 5th / 6th largest economy" does on its own. It won't do well. Furthermore, CA has by far the worst wealth disparity of anywhere in the country...
It's not really propaganda its just federally available financial data. Im confused why you say that they wouldn't do well on their own given that I just showed you that they are almost net positive in cash for government programs. Have you ever considered that the commiefornia shithole narrative sprouted on here might be a slight exaggeration? I've lived in many states and California has lots of problems but none of them are exceptionally worse than other states.
Totally agree with you on the wealth disparity part. Fuck silicon valley and Hollywood liberal elites.
Central Valley; Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach and San Francisco; plus military bases; plus water and electric infrastructure, plus highways, plus ocean access to fisheries; plus forests; plus mineral rights; plus large concentration of skilled labor - NO, you cannot have it China/Communist shills.
Fuck no; California is the U.S. of A. Bought it fair and square from the Mexican Empire in 1849.
THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THE AGENDA SINCE THE 60S. The fathers of the "movement" were openly NAMBLA.
Ignore the factual link between alphabet people and EXTREMELY higher instances of child abuse at your own peril. This includes adults toward children, and also the extremely high instance of alphabet people who were abused themselves as children. It's a repeating cycle and the predators at the tip top want it protected.
Yup, Berlin has a huge ongoing scandal right now where pedophiles got into government and let pedophiles adopt children saying they would "love" them in a "deeper" way than a straight couple could.
The users of this adoption system were systematically leftists, Marxists and other degenerates.
This institutional child rape program went on for 30 years. The pedophiles who were given victims were also paid stipends by the German taxpayer to rape these orphans. Many have committed suicide.
Patriots welcome in AZ! Dem are throwing everything they've got at this state trying to flip it, and R's are running Martha... We'll probably have two Dem senators :(
Nothing magical happens on someone's 18th birthday to make them sexually appealing when they weren't before. Puberty means you're ready to have sex soon, so after that it's just an appeal to people's animal instincts. One is illegal and innapropriate, usually isn't good for people that young, the other is truly sick. There is a grey area. Some people on here want to hang you if you think a 17 year old is cute. We are animals. Society works because we control our animal instincts, not eliminate them from the gene pool.
The bill would make it legal for a 26 year old to rape a 14 year old. This bill has nothing to do with a 18 year old dating a 17 year old. Those are Romeo and Juliet laws which already exist in California and almost everywhere else.
This is the neon red line. The communists in California who have total control over elections through fraud might get it passed there. But parents will not sit by for this. Good parents will burn the world down for their kids. Don't fucking try them.
Lots of people defended this bill and Weiner on here. People called this bill fake and the headline misleading. Make no mistake, they're pushing for allowing the rape of children.
You are correct, they're not forcing the sex registry for offenders. Still a bad thing to do, just not a full decriminalization as title makes it sound like. The problem is heterosexual offenders don't always have to be put on the registry, not the other way around. They're still going backwards.
So guys if you read the law it’s already in place in CA if the sex is vaginal. If minor at least 15 and you’re not more than 10 years older the judge can decide whether or not you’ll register as a sex offender. This is already legal in CA. The rainbow people want to expand it to also cover oral and anal. Do I agree with this? No...all I’m saying is it’s already been legal to some extent in the state
You have an extreme need to reexamine your logical faculties. I'm predicting you have suffered extreme drug abuse.
This expansion is in no way justifiable. Just because an ancient law allows someone to have sex with a dog they own, doesn't mean we should expand that antiquated law to allow people to have sex with dogs they don't own.
Hey I found an old dumb law, logically we should update it by making it worse! No, your logic only makes sense to pedophiles and if you're not one then you have severe logical brain damage.
I am serious about your logical standing. I've seen some of my friends slip like this, particularly those who have used psychedelics.
I'll show you precisely where you fucked up.
if you read the law it's already in place
[they] want to expand it
Those are two opposite logical statements, and I well understand historical precedent. But just because a law allows black slavery, doesn't mean abolitionists have to logically respect that law's expansion to allow for the slavery of all peoples. Abolitionists had every legal, ethical and logical foundation to say it ends now.
We as human beings have full right and privilege to denounce all expansions of current laws. You're trying, or have been taught, to put the burden of justification on us. That we play devil's advocate and find why it makes sense.
Marxists could make a law that Marxists are allowed to breathe oxygen and i am allowed to denounce said law.
At no point will I ever shed my personal opinion in favor of advocating for my enemies.
Also I shouldn't have to remind you that your mouth and your anus are not the same things.... should I? Trust me. The law distinguishes the two and for your benefit. You cannot simply view a law applying to one as easily expandable to the other. Otherwise you might find yourself in jail having oatmeal and bacon being rammed up your ass when you go on hunger strike.
18 with a 14yr old, 19-25 with a 15yr old, 19-26 with a 16 yr old, etc...fucking disgusting and fucking pedo. Any adult preying on a child like that and using their bodies and minds to manipulate CHILDREN should be dealt with HARSHLY.
California here- before even opening the fucking link I knew it was Scott Weiner sponsoring it. Dude is legitimately a faggot pedophile. I pray I see him in the streets one day.
Oh no I'm "homophobic" whatever will I do? If you're unwilling to see that accepting these people lead here (because sexual abuse as a minor and homosexuality are explicitly linked) this late in the game then you're lost.
Water and electricity infrastructure too mixed up and intertwined. Would become a failed state, where it is inevitably heading now - but would fail fast and hard. NO. CA is USA. Fuck commies, fuck shills.
Got it. The raping of 14-year-old children by adult men masturbating inside the child's rectum wasn't able to stand on its own as being bad enough...but add in "jew", and NOW it's over the line.
Really, for you people, it was the "jew" part that was the more egregious and loathsome, not so much the pedophile rapist. Wasn't it. Yes it was. Go ahead, admit it.
Actually you don't have to. It's abundantly clear.
Just want to take this moment to remind everyone that the big gay black guy that portrays Elmo on Sesame Street molested and raped an underage boy as his "sex partner" for many years and when it came out, it was said that it was a "consensual relationship" and therefore not allowed to be criticized or questioned.
No "next." This one doesn't pass. They slip the other shit by with their cancel culture, saying we are "phobic" if we don't like something. In the case of pedo, we don't worry about cancel culture. We cancel the fucking pig suggesting the defense of it as well as whoever they are defending.
Don't worry, give it a few more years and the meatbag scum who live in California will just accept it. You'll be called a Nazi for not wanting to rape kids.
Because 🤡🌎
Also because to the left, they just call it “LGBTQ equality”
Government is supposed to be the guard against evil, for "he does not bear the sword in vain". After self conscience and family, there is the government to contain the sin of humanity. California government has forfeited its authority by allowing this to happen. This must be challenged in court.
Lol no, government is there to protect our rights, build roads and defend our borders.
Evil people trample on your rights and invade your country.
Politics IS a religion for the left. They have idols, preachers, doctrines, congregations, now even an original sin that is "whiteness". The only thing they don't have is God.
They already do. They knew full well what would happen when they forced the boyscouts to accept them.
We can no longer rely on the government to protect us look up supreme court ruling on the responsibilities of police.
It isn't "the government of the US" that's taking this action, it's the government of the Peoples' Republik of Kalifornia.
Coming up next from them: "why pedophilia snuff porn is moral in regards to global warming"
To be fair, if you read the article, this is a legitimate case of LGBT inequality. I just think they should move in the OPPOSITE direction.
Under the current law, if a 25 year old man has sex with an underaged girl, the judge can opt not to put him on the sex offender registry, if he feels it's not necessary, while the same can't be said if the underaged sex was with a boy.
This is a legit case of sexuality-based discrimination, HOWEVER. I think it should go the other way around and put those people on the sex offender list no matter what.
The logic behind this was that a straight couple could get pregnant and therefore it didn't always make sense to put the offender on a sex offender list because it would interfere with stuff like child support. But fuck em. Lock the pedos up and register them.
You are ignoring the fact that 16 and 17 year old girls get fake ID's and go bar hopping, usually a few years after they started being sexually active.
I think the judge SHOULD have discretion for this scenario because it's a very common one. If it's a neighbor or friend's older son who fucks your 14 year old in your house, let judge give that man the hammer.
Easy solution: don't fuck random girls you meet in a bar or club
Bingo!
Hahaha! I'm old, but not so old I have Biden dementia to the point I see that as a serious answer, or forgot what the bar scene was like.
Good luck with that one Quaker Oats!
If you're legitimately worried about fucking a 16-year-old you met in a club then, yes, not fucking random strangers is a perfectly good solution to your problem. Ask her out for dinner on a weeknight and if she says "I can't; it's a school night" OOPS you were about to fuck a teenager.
That's a good point.
I think in general that there's a lot more grey area when you have people within the 16-20 year old range that needs a bit more leeway in judgements.
I'm okay either way. A judge with flexibility, or new laws that reflect older teen girls without sacrificing grooming of younger teen boys.
Most states actually have laws that separate the 16-18 case from the <16 last time I saw a debate on this.
That said, I don't trust the gay Nambla senator at all. He clearly just wants to make it legal to groom and fuck little boys.
Except that that circumstance shouldn't be a crime at all. A crime should require mens rea, so the man would have to know or have reason to believe that the girl is underage. If she has fake ID and is in a bar, that's on her, not him. It shouldn't be up to a judge to opt out of anything: it should be not guilty.
Good point. I'm not sure all states work that way, but for this scenario I agree they should.
Yea I forget their term for pedos they've added to their rainbow. But I sure as shit saw the signs at their protests.
So this is how western Civilization ends...
There's a rise and fall to all civilizations. Towards the end of the cycle decadence sets in and morals become far looser. We saw the same pattern with Rome.
Communications and the technology to facilitate it will do that, unfortunately.
Didn't the founders say Democracy last about 200 or maybe 250 years before it breaks down?
How long was the Roman Republic going, before it turned into a dictatorship with Emperors?
The Republic lasted around 5 centuries but was beyond corrupted over 2 centuries BEFORE Augustus made it a formality on paper only. Caesar tried and they stabbed him to death.
...and Greece. And Persia. And Babylon (the whole writing on the wall thing started with an orgy using the furnishings of Israel's Temple.) And Israel. And Egypt.
This is how you get a "and then one day, for no reason at all people voted Hitler." It's not the end, at least not yet. It may be, it might even lead to a new rise in the history of civilization. The period while it's happening is probably gonna be shit though.
Nah. Just these so called LGBT activists. ☠️☠️☠️
It was never globohomo it was always globopedo
Isn't it the same picture?
This Scott Weiner guy needs to be put down. Same guy who made it legal to knowingly infect others with AIDS.
He needs to be Harvey Milk'ed.
Somehow I get the feeling that Harvey Milk wouldn't approve of this....
Um, I heard Harvey Milk did indeed involve himself with younger boys... or at least "youths".
I'll admit I'm not too familiar with his history... other than early GLB advocacy and that he was on the SF city council.
Here's a bit from a pjmedia article.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/02/05/barack-obama-awarded-the-medal-of-freedom-to-a-sex-predator-but-liberals-are-triggered-about-rush-limbaughs-n381173
Same state will arrest you for not wearing a mask outside.
Think about THAT one.
Scott (((Weiner)))
Because ultimately they lower the voting age. Plus, they're irredeemable sick miscreants.
I don't think this is the end goal. I just think they're a bunch of pedos.
Anytime someones says this I feel obliged to point out...they always had the right to marry. Just like everyone else. What they did was change the legal definition of marriage to mean something else.
I don't even believe that. I thought you could list anyone on your life insurance policy. If I'm single, but I have a nephew that I love, I can make him the beneficiary, right?
Maybe if we go on the offensive of taking back marriage, they'll retreat on these other fronts.
Ding ding ding!!!
Great application of Occam's Razor.
I actually hate occam's razor and think it is poor logic. Take trump russian collusion for example. Which has more assumptions?
The FBI, CIA, NSA, Congressional committees, members of his own administration, england, Italy, ukraine, and more, all conspired against trump to frame him falsely as a russian. There was a huge conspiracy, seth rich was murdered and covered up, and the SC was entirely fraudulent just to keep the lie going.
Or..
Trump just really colluded with russia.
Which explanation is true? Which would occams razor prefer?
Conversely. Trump secretly did all the stuff the tried to frame him for or he didn't because you'd have to be an idiot to believe he did.
Lowering the voting age is a big issue in the EU.
“We JUST want to get married”
Yeah, but what you and I think or know just isn't important. We're just serfs. It is the all powerful rulers in black like Anthony Kennedy who make decisions for us.
neither the article's title nor OP's title bears out when one reads the article.
The issue at hand: if the law does not prescribe minimum sentencing for heterosexual crimes involving same ages, they claim it shouldn't for gay people.
Personally, I think California needs to make their age of consent laws less overall retarded:
California laws have this state of idiocy where their age of consent is 18 and ANY sex under that age is considered in violation of age of consent. (No minimum age under which one can get married with parental approval though)
They have no 'Romeo and Juliet' type bracket exceptions to accommodate relations of young people with each other. Just a hard cut-off
They should lower age of consent to 16 and most of their silly cases go away. At that point nothing wrong with straightening out proper penalties for offenders who prey on younger people.
Instead their legislature aims at unrealistic human standards, judges are carving out exceptions to try and prevent this stupid legislation from ruining lives and real predators slipping through the cracks created.
Exactly. Pedophilia is not a teenager of 14-17. It is a prepubescent child. 14-17 is statutory rape. And even the idea that a 17 year old doesn’t understand how to consent is ridiculous. This difference between consent and pedophilia is like Me Too conflating sexual harassment with sexual assault. The difference is dangerous and pisses me off. People, please don’t try and act like an adult having sex with a 16 yr old is the same as a 6 year old. It’s harmful and overly modern to conflate the two. I’m not saying I support this bill but it’s a difference we should be clear on. Or else the real problem that destroys children physically, psychologically, and spiritually will become acceptable somehow.
Sorry but a grown man going after a minor, even 14-17, IS pedophilia. Dont stick up for that shit!
There are 17 year olds in bars with fake ID's that do NOT look 17. A 25 year old guy in a bar picking up one of these girls is not pedophilia. A 22 year old guy who meets a 17 year old who looks older then she is and she lies about her age is also a reasonable scenario that happens.
I agree, we need to be careful with this "anything under 18 is pedo because I'm an angry old dude, get off my lawn, harumf" shit. It could be your 22 year old.son suddenly facing a lifetime pedo tag on him.
This is why the judge is allowed some leeway based on the situation.
I dont care if there are 17yr olds in bars with fake IDs. If you are old enough to be in bars then grow the fuck up and stop sticking your penis or allowing yourself to be stuck with penises with people who you don't really know.
So unknowingly having sex up with someone who is 17 years and 364 days old is pedophilia but when have sex one day after it isn't pedophilia? Pedophilia by its definition is the attraction to minors and is not the same thing as having sex with someone who is younger than an arbitrary age cut off. Obviously there is a certain point (maybe defined as prepubescence/during pubescence) where it is pedophilia.
In case you haven't noticed, people meet in bars. Girls may go on a follow up date and that young just turned 21 year old GI may not realize she is younger then she's advertising. Maybe they sleep on a second date, and the military police sweep the barracks. Maybe the college kid takes her on a date, and cops raid the frat party where they are banging later. Maybe it's even the parents who call it in.
I think the puritanism on display here is kind of silly tbph. There are a lot of scenarios where a girl can misrepresent her age and the guy is busted sleeping with her. We should accommodate within the law for these cases.
Why don't you apply that same reasoning to the underage girls who make the choice to go into those bars? They aren't responsible for their actions?
Of course they are but adults should know better.
Actually it’s not. Look it up. Pedophilia is specifically towards prepubescent children. Actual children. Kids. Babies. Little elementary school aged kiddos. Toddlers. Ten year olds. On the other hand, sexually fully developed minors is statutory rape. It is often wrong and can be damaging. And in every non modern time of human history was totally normal before we added a new arbitrary age to adulthood. It should not be confused with the evil, devastating damage, and lifelong ruin of raping a child. It must not be confused with that. There is nothing you can say to convince me that having sex with a 16 year old is the same as a 7 year old. Just ask yourself if someone had sex with your 16 year old vs with your 7 year old or 2 year old how you’d react and that shows the difference. I’m not sticking up for the former but in condemnation of the latter they absolutely must not be confused. -LadyPede
Fuck off. Do you realize that kids actually hit puberty at all different levels, many far far earlier than 8 now bc of all the soy in our food and health & beauty products while others hit it in much later teens due to eating disorders, anxiety, and other mental issues?
Quit using presence of boobs on a child as to determine if pedo or hepb. You dont know by looking at a child if they have started their period or not. Something seriously wrong with an adult who looks in any sexual way. Fucking disgusting. I pray you don't have a 16yr old daughter with a grown man lusting after her ffs
It’s not about having boobs or a period. We’re talking about the definition of pedophile vs statutory rape. Your definition is wrong. A ten year old can have a period they’re still a child. It makes me sick that anyone would feel the same way about a 16 year old who is conscious enough to know what they are doing having sex as a helpless baby being raped. It is NOT the same. If you see it as the same I question you. If you see the person doing that as the same I question you. There is no evil involved in being physically attracted to someone who looks so much like a grown adult that you’d have to check ID to tell the difference. It may be rightfully illegal and immoral but it is not the same. Someone being attracted to a little kid is sick and evil and entirely unnatural and would completely destroy that child’s entire life. I speak from experience on both. A grown man being attracted to a 16 year old in most states is considered ok. If I were the parent I’d threaten him to leave her alone and probably punch him in the face. If an adult went after my seven year old however, I would tear them apart with my bare hands and feed their body parts to wild animals. See, that’s the difference. And actually the definition of pedophilia is prepubescent, if you don’t agree with that take it up with the dictionary. 🤷🏼♀️
Oh but thought pedophilia was only about PREPUBESCENT children? 🙄 Take it up with the dictionary? Like meanings havent been changed before to suit agendas. Stick up for grown adults wanting to have sex with teens then, by all means. Disgusting
If a grown ass man or woman goes after my 16 yr I would feel the same if they go after my 7 yr old. Grown men and women don't need to fucking prey on children!
It literally isn’t. It can be gross, depending on how old the guy is, but it’s not pedophilia. Words mean things
I dunno but that's at least more reasonable than what is proposed. A 24 year old with a 14 year old is predatory. (some people have stunted development but that's rare)
I just don't trust the pervert who is proposing the change.
The proposed thing is to allow judge discretion for cases that have some special extenuating circumstances.
I used to be for that, but seeing all the DAs use their discretion to let off rioters and violent thugs, I don't know if judicial discretion is really a good thing. Better to have clearer and saner laws.
Some situations with current laws, a well meaning judge having such discretion would be good - like a teen spiking an adult's drink, or teens could prey on someone with actual developmental problems, or what I believe is the most common case - where teens lie about their ages. Really don't like that the courts hold people as guilty of a crime because someone else lied to them.
They have basically made casual hook-up culture among young people illegal with that, which I believe is morally good for social structure but should not be accomplished by such ill-conceived means.
How dare you talk about Adam Schiff like that
I came to comment this. Thank you.
The irony in his name being Weiner
Not ironic. There is a connection between the name Weiner and pedophilia but It's not exactly a secret.
Also obligatory not all Jews are bad which is actually true
these monsters need to be stopped. this is some of the sickest most vile shit going on in the world right now and its happening in America of all places. pure evil
California, where you can’t have a plastic straw but you can rape a 14 tear old no problem
And give them AIDS
And be ok when an illegal kills them
MAKE
AIDS
ILLEGAL
AGAIN
Call it by its original name, GRID: Gay Related Immune Deficiency
MAKE
AIDS
GRID
AGAIN
Maybe that's what they were talking about when those Nazis attacked juicy smolliet
Gay politicians also call for reopening gay orgy club. They can do whatever they want to spread the deadly AIDS virus.
Meanwhile, healthy citizens are under house arrest because of a flu virus.
Will statutory rape just be abolished? Will that be a crime anymore?
The whole state is fuck of fucking beasts of humans
Pedes autocorrect goes from full to fuck, no questions asked.
I meant to say “full of fucking beasts of humans” 🤣 my b I was in the emergency room, this morning I had heart and stomach problems pedes :/ I’m all good now but please pray for me ♥️
Prayers sent, fren.
Get better and fuck the hot nurse, fren
Thanks for the laugh btw brother, I love it here
Really wish there would be a federal standard regarding the age, as it is baffling how in some states 16 year olds can bang who they want but in others its 17 or 18. And those outlier cases when a girl who is underage goes to a club and is let in, goes home with a guy, he assumes she is of age since she is in the club, and then later it is discovered she is underage.
I also believe the punishments should be much more severe in cases of prepubescent children, since they are in fact children and not young adults.
This is one of the most unfair ones yet. It's not fair to anyone. This has happened to a friend of mine. He met the girl in the bar, assumed she was old enough to be at the bar.
Technically that’s already the case in California, this just extends those protections to gay people since their current law is only for straight people.
We need Real ID verification at clubs!
The girl needs to be punished as well
Something like that happen with Akon when he basically humped a girl on stage assuming she was 18 since that was the age to get in, but then she turned out to be like 15
Those degenerates might argue that gay rape should be punished less since it doesn't cause pregnancy. We are talking about crazy people that aren't in a straitjacket!
if these monsters have their way they will transform the state into a twisted paradise of corruption, evil, degeneracy and violence, the likes of which will rival some of the worst human history has ever seen, its well on its way there.
America is a holy, good nation, and when something like that gets twisted and perverted it falls further than anything else can. I can see it now.
Wrongthink will be the only crime if liberals get power.
NSFW Dude.
Ottermode and Batemanmode are goals. Bloatlords will cope
These people are fucking disgusting and retarded. Where in their world, spreading aids is nowhere near as bad as not wearing a mask that spreads a highly survivable cold.
I can't wrap my head around this. We joke about clown world, but how is knowingly giving someone HIV a misdemeanor?
Meanwhile your body is a bioweapon so put on your mask and don't go outside.
Man, first Anthony and now this guy.
If I had Wiener as my last name, I'd be in a hurry to change it.
"Scott Weiner"
I knew they where involved, they always are.
Pedos blackmailed to be communist Chinese shills.
There was a petition to split the state up, everyone signed... it was supposed to be up for the vote. Then they removed it. Ca would have been split into 3 states. We had the votes, the idiots on the left wanted to split and we on the right wanted to split. I have no idea how they all of a sudden they decided NO you can't vote on it. It sucks I'm trying to convince my fiancee we need to move but both our families are here in Ca. Both our families are conservative out side of my younger sister and my idiot brother in law.
Start the exodus for your family
It looks that we might be the ones starting the exodus, we're saving to get married and with 90% of immediate and extended family it would be easier to have it in Ca. but after that we need to leave if things haven't changed in this shit hole state (doesn't look like it will)
Easy. Someone on the left realised that if the right wanted it, then it must be prevented.
Pretty much the entire sphere of motivation for the left: the right can’t have anything.
But the right generally doesn’t even want anything. Just to be left alone.
Can’t have that though
True, but if they hate us so much let us leave. We didn't want the coastal cities, I forget where the split would have been but right leaning Ca. would have been more inland and the left would keep the shit hole Pandæmonium cities they created.
Come to Colorado, help us flip this state back to red. All the blue devils from CA are coming here, do your part to balance the equation!
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it would have been a bad idea anyway. The way the lines were drawn, it would have spread the liberalism to all three, at minimum two of the new states. Liberals would have gained even more power. Split it in half, keeping liberal areas clearly in their own state, and leaving conservative areas in their own would have been ideal.
I never pray for death and destruction but some days I want God's judgement to fall on the San Andreas fault and finally get that 10.0. The ugly one too not the shake back and forth..no I want the one that makes waves so it looks like the Earth is flinging these faggots into the Pacific
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about God's wrath destroying a couple of cities full of boy rapists.
Yeah that's The Old Testament for you. It was all of that and idol worship with a side of blaspheming God, just evil all over like LA and SF.
Today's Sodom and Gomorrah for sure.
They'd never survive on their own and would end up begging us for help anyway.
Then we could watch them rot with zero obligations. I’m all for it.
They already are. Bailout after bailout.
I don't think so. Fuck california politics and taxes and cost of living but...
They are literally the 5th largest economy in the entire world.
They produce 13% of the us agriculture.
They are in extreme debt and rely on federal money to prop up their liberal policies. They would not last without the rest of the US. Not a chance.
Yes they do require some federal aid but compared to other states its almost nothing.
California: Net federal funding: $12 per resident
Texas: Net federal funding: $304 per resident
Kentucky: Net federal funding: $9,145 per resident
You can clearly see that they are not even close to the most Gib Me Dat welfare state. Im sure that If they were cut off from federal funding a few small programs might need to be downsized/cut but overall It wouldn't make a huge difference. People here shit on California a lot but you should realize that even if politically its a shit state, economically speaking it ranks very high.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2019/03/20/how-much-federal-funding-each-state-receives-government/39202299/
You're believing propaganda. California is a shithole in economic dire straits. I wish they would declare themselves their own country so we can then see how well their " 5th / 6th largest economy" does on its own. It won't do well. Furthermore, CA has by far the worst wealth disparity of anywhere in the country...
It's not really propaganda its just federally available financial data. Im confused why you say that they wouldn't do well on their own given that I just showed you that they are almost net positive in cash for government programs. Have you ever considered that the commiefornia shithole narrative sprouted on here might be a slight exaggeration? I've lived in many states and California has lots of problems but none of them are exceptionally worse than other states.
Totally agree with you on the wealth disparity part. Fuck silicon valley and Hollywood liberal elites.
All you need to think about is what happens to California if all that money were to leave (and it would), and you'll have your answers.
Wouldn't a Reconquista be much, much better? Why cede territory? Why not deport the illegal invaders?
Central Valley; Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach and San Francisco; plus military bases; plus water and electric infrastructure, plus highways, plus ocean access to fisheries; plus forests; plus mineral rights; plus large concentration of skilled labor - NO, you cannot have it China/Communist shills.
Fuck no; California is the U.S. of A. Bought it fair and square from the Mexican Empire in 1849.
Naw, let's just force VoterID and end the democrat rule of the state.
THIS HAS BEEN PART OF THE AGENDA SINCE THE 60S. The fathers of the "movement" were openly NAMBLA.
Ignore the factual link between alphabet people and EXTREMELY higher instances of child abuse at your own peril. This includes adults toward children, and also the extremely high instance of alphabet people who were abused themselves as children. It's a repeating cycle and the predators at the tip top want it protected.
Their stated goal was 12 year olds, but that was maybe a decade ago. I suspect their real intentions to be any age.
Yup, Berlin has a huge ongoing scandal right now where pedophiles got into government and let pedophiles adopt children saying they would "love" them in a "deeper" way than a straight couple could.
The users of this adoption system were systematically leftists, Marxists and other degenerates.
This institutional child rape program went on for 30 years. The pedophiles who were given victims were also paid stipends by the German taxpayer to rape these orphans. Many have committed suicide.
The Kentler Project
https://m.dw.com/en/berlin-authorities-placed-children-with-pedophiles-for-30-years/a-53814208
This is what they have planned for our children.
Back in the Old Testament, this is right around the time when God would get super pissed and decide to "show up".
Maybe we should plan ahead and start buying beach front property in Arizona.
1st time by flood, 2nd time by fire.
Time to move to Greenland.
There will not be a 3rd time.
Patriots welcome in AZ! Dem are throwing everything they've got at this state trying to flip it, and R's are running Martha... We'll probably have two Dem senators :(
Without God, man can't. Without man, God won't. Kick start the fiesta: let's get a Republican ballot harvesting operation going, stat!
Would it still be "homophobia" if a group of gay pedes started a pedo deathsquad?
Proud boys are "white supremacist" deslite having black and latino members so...yes but who gives a shit about their labels anymore.
Homophobia itself is a propaganda word designed to conflate disgust with fear and emasculate those who refuse to engage in degeneracy.
Pedos get the rope.
No. Pedophilia as I understand it is being attracted to prepubescent kids.
Nothing magical happens on someone's 18th birthday to make them sexually appealing when they weren't before. Puberty means you're ready to have sex soon, so after that it's just an appeal to people's animal instincts. One is illegal and innapropriate, usually isn't good for people that young, the other is truly sick. There is a grey area. Some people on here want to hang you if you think a 17 year old is cute. We are animals. Society works because we control our animal instincts, not eliminate them from the gene pool.
The bill would make it legal for a 26 year old to rape a 14 year old. This bill has nothing to do with a 18 year old dating a 17 year old. Those are Romeo and Juliet laws which already exist in California and almost everywhere else.
Consensual is a key word here. Look up age of consent.
This is the neon red line. The communists in California who have total control over elections through fraud might get it passed there. But parents will not sit by for this. Good parents will burn the world down for their kids. Don't fucking try them.
Lots of people defended this bill and Weiner on here. People called this bill fake and the headline misleading. Make no mistake, they're pushing for allowing the rape of children.
There is no defending this
You're out of your mind..
So right now you're saying California allows it between a man and an underaged girl.
And your solution is...well it's legal there, so let's make it legal for a man to rape a boy too.
You're defending adults raping children.
Alabama approves law to castrate adult sex offenders who abuse a 14 year old.
California approves law to decriminalize the acts of an adult sex offenders who abuse a 14 year old.
Notice a difference?
You are correct, they're not forcing the sex registry for offenders. Still a bad thing to do, just not a full decriminalization as title makes it sound like. The problem is heterosexual offenders don't always have to be put on the registry, not the other way around. They're still going backwards.
Then he should have gone the other way if that was his actual intent.
Why are you forcing me to upvote this
So guys if you read the law it’s already in place in CA if the sex is vaginal. If minor at least 15 and you’re not more than 10 years older the judge can decide whether or not you’ll register as a sex offender. This is already legal in CA. The rainbow people want to expand it to also cover oral and anal. Do I agree with this? No...all I’m saying is it’s already been legal to some extent in the state
Doesn't make it right. It's wrong the law is on the books to begin with, and explading the law is the wrong direction to take it.
Disgusting that it's being defended
Then this puke should be trying to overturn that law instead of expanding it.
So let's just make it worse?
You have an extreme need to reexamine your logical faculties. I'm predicting you have suffered extreme drug abuse.
This expansion is in no way justifiable. Just because an ancient law allows someone to have sex with a dog they own, doesn't mean we should expand that antiquated law to allow people to have sex with dogs they don't own.
Hey I found an old dumb law, logically we should update it by making it worse! No, your logic only makes sense to pedophiles and if you're not one then you have severe logical brain damage.
Did you not see the part where I said I don’t agree with it? All I was saying is they’re expanding a current law.
I am serious about your logical standing. I've seen some of my friends slip like this, particularly those who have used psychedelics.
I'll show you precisely where you fucked up.
Those are two opposite logical statements, and I well understand historical precedent. But just because a law allows black slavery, doesn't mean abolitionists have to logically respect that law's expansion to allow for the slavery of all peoples. Abolitionists had every legal, ethical and logical foundation to say it ends now.
We as human beings have full right and privilege to denounce all expansions of current laws. You're trying, or have been taught, to put the burden of justification on us. That we play devil's advocate and find why it makes sense.
Marxists could make a law that Marxists are allowed to breathe oxygen and i am allowed to denounce said law.
At no point will I ever shed my personal opinion in favor of advocating for my enemies.
Also I shouldn't have to remind you that your mouth and your anus are not the same things.... should I? Trust me. The law distinguishes the two and for your benefit. You cannot simply view a law applying to one as easily expandable to the other. Otherwise you might find yourself in jail having oatmeal and bacon being rammed up your ass when you go on hunger strike.
18 with a 14yr old, 19-25 with a 15yr old, 19-26 with a 16 yr old, etc...fucking disgusting and fucking pedo. Any adult preying on a child like that and using their bodies and minds to manipulate CHILDREN should be dealt with HARSHLY.
"Can't let them outshine us! We need to decriminalize sex with THIRTEEN year olds!"
-Colorado
"Also, 12 years and up can now buy weed"
California here- before even opening the fucking link I knew it was Scott Weiner sponsoring it. Dude is legitimately a faggot pedophile. I pray I see him in the streets one day.
"No Child's Behind Left Alone" - Steve Bridges impersonating Obama
California = Epsteinistan
top kek
People would lose their mind when I told them I was anti gay because homosexuality and pedophilia are linked.
Faggots are fine if they're in the closet and not being a pedo sonbitch, that's about it.
Oh no I'm "homophobic" whatever will I do? If you're unwilling to see that accepting these people lead here (because sexual abuse as a minor and homosexuality are explicitly linked) this late in the game then you're lost.
They had it all set to go at 3 and 4. I haven't seen a two-state solution, do you have a picture?
Water and electricity infrastructure too mixed up and intertwined. Would become a failed state, where it is inevitably heading now - but would fail fast and hard. NO. CA is USA. Fuck commies, fuck shills.
“Scott Wiener” Sounds like someone who would support this crap
California wants to be the satanic state.
A gay jew wants to decriminalize pedophilia?
Why am I not surprised.
Got it. The raping of 14-year-old children by adult men masturbating inside the child's rectum wasn't able to stand on its own as being bad enough...but add in "jew", and NOW it's over the line.
Really, for you people, it was the "jew" part that was the more egregious and loathsome, not so much the pedophile rapist. Wasn't it. Yes it was. Go ahead, admit it.
Actually you don't have to. It's abundantly clear.
I know what you mean but let's be honest, if he was a gay Christian or a Muslim, they'd be described in the same manner.
It's literally just a descriptor.
Also, rabbis sucking baby penis after circumcisions doesn't help.
Second sentence belies the first.
Second sentence is spice. The spice must flow.
You seem a little verklempt.
You seem a little douchey.
Oy vey there's no pattern goyim!
Typical Reddit man baby can't have big boy discussion without using comic books.
But he sure is defending expanding the law to allow homosexual men raping boys
No that guy is sick. Making fun of someone's race is just that. Words aren't violence. Victimhood is weakness
Well...
Remember how everyone on the right raised this as a concern when the gay marriage debate was at its peak? Well, here we are. Sick fucks.
We just want to get married bigot
we're dealing with pure evil
What's worse is straight pedo's are given a pass already.
They often use the "24 yr old with a 15 yr old" example, but they're already on that slope.
"Oh she was 16 and he was 18" then "Oh she was 14 and he was 19", and then "Oh she was 15 and he was 24".
Yeah, I call shenanigans, they're just moving goalposts trying to "Boil a Frog".
Horrendous
There should be some reasoning applied to such laws. 16 marrying 16 or 16 marrying 17-20, sure. (I know some who married at 17 & 17).
I feel like an idiot for not believing the slippery slope
Just want to take this moment to remind everyone that the big gay black guy that portrays Elmo on Sesame Street molested and raped an underage boy as his "sex partner" for many years and when it came out, it was said that it was a "consensual relationship" and therefore not allowed to be criticized or questioned.
I couldnt even finish this article - just stop fucking kids - how hard is that?
A staggering amount of gay men had some kind of predatory experience when they were in middle school or a young teenager.
Makes you think
Straight pedophila is wrong
The left has made a gross miscalculation regarding conservative’s beliefs regarding the protection of children - especially their own children.
This is the hill Americans will die on.
Honestly, after reverting to Jim Crowe and the votes to repeal discrimination protection,
nothing the far left does will surprise me anymore.
When God drops that shithole of a state into the ocean I will definitely hitch my boat to my truck and go fishing in Louisiana.
Necrophilia and bestiality are next. "Let me fuck your dog and grandma's grave bigot!"
No "next." This one doesn't pass. They slip the other shit by with their cancel culture, saying we are "phobic" if we don't like something. In the case of pedo, we don't worry about cancel culture. We cancel the fucking pig suggesting the defense of it as well as whoever they are defending.
I want this shit stain fired out of a cannon. He decrimed people who knowingly spread aids and hiv. Now this shit.
Ninja what? Dafuq is this world coming to
Its kinda bananas we're in a universe where someone saying "maybe don't have anal sex with children" is controversial in some cities.
Don't worry, give it a few more years and the meatbag scum who live in California will just accept it. You'll be called a Nazi for not wanting to rape kids.
FILTH
Cock worshipper.