I tell every pro masker: if masks work, why can’t we go to a ballgame? If masks work, why can’t we go to the gym? If masks work, why can’t we vote in person?
Apparently, masks only work in supermarkets and Walmarts. That doesn’t sound so effective.
Literally saw posts of people saying they weren't wearing a mask for themselves but for others. To make others "FEEL" better during this time of panic. I know some people are scared shitless and shaking like a leaf but lemme just give those weaklings and government a little sign that we're with them. Gimme that stinking mask. I'll muzzle myself. See? We're all here with you being scared. Woooooo, big covid gonna get us now. We're all onboard with this covid pendulum.
Now look at as. Being told what to wear and where we can go and with how many people. They are still pretending like this is an emergency when it clearly is not. This virus was so weak that many people didn't even know they fucking had it. And the govenors and mayors are still playing pretend like we're at defcon 20. Next they get to test kids and add those numbers to the mix and says schools are spreading, think of the kids. REEEE... We can't do the election. Trumps illegitimate! VOTE HIM OUT! REEEEEEE!!!!!
I mean,aside from those fleece ones that go down to your neck which actually just increase the chance of spreading the virus it isn't actually wrong that most masks slow the spread.It's moreso the fact that aside from N95 masks most aren't efffective enough to help all that much if youre around others for long periods of time.IIRC even the best cloth masks only lower the amount of viral pathogens down to 10% of what you'd spread without the mask.
Not claiming to be an expert here.Just going by this study posted on this site last week.
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083
I don't recall anyone here having any issue with it when it was posted then so if this study is bunk then blame the OP who first linked it here and everyone who went in for not calling out the flawed methodology.
I was under the impression that the virus could only be transmitted through droplets since it's not airborne though?Would there not then be at least strong correllation between number of droplets and infection rate?Even as someone who's fairly critical about how the pandemics been handled I imagine if you could count the number of virions you'd get something at least comparable.
Or maybe I'm just a complete idiot idk.Mostly just playing devils advocate anyway.
Too many assumptions are being made in these. Let me ask you this...why does the covid tests take a very deep nasal swab and not just a cough or spit test? Covid does not aerosolitize easily. Wash your hands, don't touch your face. You will be fine.
The peer review process did not find to many assumptions were made. Can you elaborate on which assumptions are incorrect or explain what layers of assumptions you believe invalid the study conclusion?
Regarding the rest of your comment:
why does the covid tests take a very deep nasal swab and not just a cough or spit test?
Your sentence improperly reduces/minimizes the number of covid-19 tests and there specimen collection methods. There are multiple covid-19 tests that use multiple specimen collection methods (including spit/sputum collection). See link: https://www.verywellhealth.com/coronavirus-test-sample-type-4843506
Nope, I will not. You are making leftist talking points and I am immune to that shit. I don't have covid, so I can't spread it. If I get it, I will recover.
If masks work, then why can't you go to a professional baseball game? Why can you go to Walmart, but not church? An N95 mask protects the wearer only and does not prevent the virus from being expelled...but you think a shitty mask from China will? You have bought the leftist party line hook, line, and sinker. You are no patriot and you are not a thinking person.
If masks work, then why can't you go to a professional baseball game? Why can you go to Walmart, but not church?
Why assume my opinions on these items without basis? I think you should be able to go to sports games, and wal-mart, and church, and anywhere else you choose. I also think you should follow the science (all linked above) that says you should socially distance whenever possible and wear a face covering whenever you can't socially distance. All these private organizations you mentioned also have the right to refuse you service if you don't comply with their policies and wear a mask if requested. That's called freedom. Continue not wearing a mask if you like, but stop acting like its absurd that other people might choose differently.
You are no patriot and you are not a thinking person.
You also have no idea of my patriotism. I recommend you don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
Real conservatives don't need to attack the person, minimize information that dissents, and reduce everything to absurdity. Try forming a coherent argument based on some facts.
So, care to actually discuss the topic or want to attack me more?
I know this is probably a shill or one of nothomo’s alts, but I still have to say this:
In studies of logic, there’s this concept called the “burden of proof.” It means that the person making the claim needs to prove it. The default position of science is that masks do nothing, so if you’re claiming they have an effect of any kind, produce evidence for the claim. Otherwise we can just laugh as we press the deport button (I might just do that anyways)
I form opinions in my own brain based on my experience and views of the world.
No one’s going to kick you out. I live in a state with mask requirements and not once have I worn one anywhere. Most that ever happened was someone asked if I had a mask and I said no and went about my business. Quit being such a pussy lol
Never said China virus didn’t exist. It definitely does, but it’s not nearly as bad as the response has been to it.
If someone wants to wear a mask, I don’t care. If they’re scared or whatever, that’s their problem and more power to em. But only wearing it cause the TV told em too or peer pressure, is cowardly. You’re from Minneapolis? That explains a whole lot. My condolences.
Ah the shirt and shoes argument. The shirt and shoes requirement has been around for a long time and in today’s degenerate world, I see people pushing the envelope on even that, what with fishnet shirts and sports bras, etc.
If all of a sudden Target required you to wear a 10-gallon hat in their store, would you do it? Why are you shopping at Target anyway? Support local bro
There is no evidence that masks work. The CDC has a peer reviewed study on their website that concluded masks do not prevent the spread of flu.
If you’re looking for a study that says masks work for COVID, it doesn’t exist.
I will also note: there is one mask that is rated to “eliminate” the virus. It’s the N-95 mask. Surgical masks theoretically “mitigate” the virus. Gaiters/tshirts/homemade masks likely make matters worse and are not recommended.
So, how do I know the mask mandate is BS? No one is checking for the quality/make/model of your mask. In mask world, a Tshirt is just as good as an N-95 to get you in to wherever you want to be.
Tells me everything I need to know.
"Masks won't help"
"Only N95 masks will work, and it only stops you from spreading it"
"Fuck it, grab a t-shirt."
I tell every pro masker: if masks work, why can’t we go to a ballgame? If masks work, why can’t we go to the gym? If masks work, why can’t we vote in person?
Apparently, masks only work in supermarkets and Walmarts. That doesn’t sound so effective.
We need to use the Left against themselves. Masks will safely allow us all to vote at the polls! Love it.
This is meme worthy.
Literally saw posts of people saying they weren't wearing a mask for themselves but for others. To make others "FEEL" better during this time of panic. I know some people are scared shitless and shaking like a leaf but lemme just give those weaklings and government a little sign that we're with them. Gimme that stinking mask. I'll muzzle myself. See? We're all here with you being scared. Woooooo, big covid gonna get us now. We're all onboard with this covid pendulum.
Now look at as. Being told what to wear and where we can go and with how many people. They are still pretending like this is an emergency when it clearly is not. This virus was so weak that many people didn't even know they fucking had it. And the govenors and mayors are still playing pretend like we're at defcon 20. Next they get to test kids and add those numbers to the mix and says schools are spreading, think of the kids. REEEE... We can't do the election. Trumps illegitimate! VOTE HIM OUT! REEEEEEE!!!!!
This is just a specialization of the old quote:
I wear a mask because the Navy tells me if I'm caught in public without one I will be sent to NJP
I used to maskerbate all the time. I can't get it up anymore now though.
I mean,aside from those fleece ones that go down to your neck which actually just increase the chance of spreading the virus it isn't actually wrong that most masks slow the spread.It's moreso the fact that aside from N95 masks most aren't efffective enough to help all that much if youre around others for long periods of time.IIRC even the best cloth masks only lower the amount of viral pathogens down to 10% of what you'd spread without the mask.
Not claiming to be an expert here.Just going by this study posted on this site last week. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083 I don't recall anyone here having any issue with it when it was posted then so if this study is bunk then blame the OP who first linked it here and everyone who went in for not calling out the flawed methodology.
I was under the impression that the virus could only be transmitted through droplets since it's not airborne though?Would there not then be at least strong correllation between number of droplets and infection rate?Even as someone who's fairly critical about how the pandemics been handled I imagine if you could count the number of virions you'd get something at least comparable.
Or maybe I'm just a complete idiot idk.Mostly just playing devils advocate anyway.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/06/12/texas-am-study-face-masks-critical-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857
Article about effectiveness of masks and link to source document; a published study in a scientific journal. Let me know what you think @10gauge
Too many assumptions are being made in these. Let me ask you this...why does the covid tests take a very deep nasal swab and not just a cough or spit test? Covid does not aerosolitize easily. Wash your hands, don't touch your face. You will be fine.
The peer review process did not find to many assumptions were made. Can you elaborate on which assumptions are incorrect or explain what layers of assumptions you believe invalid the study conclusion?
Regarding the rest of your comment:
Your sentence improperly reduces/minimizes the number of covid-19 tests and there specimen collection methods. There are multiple covid-19 tests that use multiple specimen collection methods (including spit/sputum collection). See link: https://www.verywellhealth.com/coronavirus-test-sample-type-4843506
Your sentence improperly reduces/minimizes the ways covid-19 is spread. Droplet spread and aerosol spread are not the same thing and should not be conflated. See link: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/07/06/887919633/aerosols-droplets-fomites-what-we-know-about-transmission-of-covid-19
Will you please consider wearing a face covering when unable to socially distance in public spaces now?
Nope, I will not. You are making leftist talking points and I am immune to that shit. I don't have covid, so I can't spread it. If I get it, I will recover.
If masks work, then why can't you go to a professional baseball game? Why can you go to Walmart, but not church? An N95 mask protects the wearer only and does not prevent the virus from being expelled...but you think a shitty mask from China will? You have bought the leftist party line hook, line, and sinker. You are no patriot and you are not a thinking person.
Keep on maskerbating. You seem to revel in it.
Attacking the person and not the argument I see. These aren't leftist talking points; Trump says he supports masks... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/global-report-trump-says-masks-patriotic-as-eu-leaders-agree-deal
Why assume my opinions on these items without basis? I think you should be able to go to sports games, and wal-mart, and church, and anywhere else you choose. I also think you should follow the science (all linked above) that says you should socially distance whenever possible and wear a face covering whenever you can't socially distance. All these private organizations you mentioned also have the right to refuse you service if you don't comply with their policies and wear a mask if requested. That's called freedom. Continue not wearing a mask if you like, but stop acting like its absurd that other people might choose differently.
You also have no idea of my patriotism. I recommend you don't talk about shit you know nothing about.
Real conservatives don't need to attack the person, minimize information that dissents, and reduce everything to absurdity. Try forming a coherent argument based on some facts.
So, care to actually discuss the topic or want to attack me more?
You are bereft of both scientific knowledge and patriotism. There is no point having a conversation with a proven fool. Goodbye.
1 doesn't exist though.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/06/12/texas-am-study-face-masks-critical-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857
Article about effectiveness of masks and link to source document; a published study in a scientific journal. Let me know what you think.
I know this is probably a shill or one of nothomo’s alts, but I still have to say this:
In studies of logic, there’s this concept called the “burden of proof.” It means that the person making the claim needs to prove it. The default position of science is that masks do nothing, so if you’re claiming they have an effect of any kind, produce evidence for the claim. Otherwise we can just laugh as we press the deport button (I might just do that anyways)
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/06/12/texas-am-study-face-masks-critical-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857
Article about effectiveness of masks and link to source document; a published study in a scientific journal. Let me know what you think.
Cite your source for "excess deaths."
Lemme translate
I get all of my opinions from the tv/Internet
I’m a coward
Ah the shirt and shoes argument. The shirt and shoes requirement has been around for a long time and in today’s degenerate world, I see people pushing the envelope on even that, what with fishnet shirts and sports bras, etc.
If all of a sudden Target required you to wear a 10-gallon hat in their store, would you do it? Why are you shopping at Target anyway? Support local bro
There are other viruses out there. Will you continue to wear a mask after the current edicts are lifted?
Ok. Honest question, honest answer. Not a great answer, but it tells me a lot.
its R0 is < 1 you fucking retard. back to MSDNC chat with you.
Wait a minute. Cuomo told me the R0 was 3 and we’re all gunna die unless we get 40k ventilators.
Are you implying that he lied to me?
There is no evidence that masks work. The CDC has a peer reviewed study on their website that concluded masks do not prevent the spread of flu.
If you’re looking for a study that says masks work for COVID, it doesn’t exist.
I will also note: there is one mask that is rated to “eliminate” the virus. It’s the N-95 mask. Surgical masks theoretically “mitigate” the virus. Gaiters/tshirts/homemade masks likely make matters worse and are not recommended.
So, how do I know the mask mandate is BS? No one is checking for the quality/make/model of your mask. In mask world, a Tshirt is just as good as an N-95 to get you in to wherever you want to be. Tells me everything I need to know.
https://today.tamu.edu/2020/06/12/texas-am-study-face-masks-critical-in-preventing-spread-of-covid-19/
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14857
Article about effectiveness of masks and link to source document; a published study in a scientific journal. Let me know what you think.
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