Suddenly the cure to Covid is a lethal amount of fentanyl.... or maybe Covid cures opiate overdoses... Either way a knee on the BACK of the neck is what caused lack of oxygen because my trachea is in the back of my neck too.
I called his acquittal as soon as the 2nd degree murder charge was announced. No way in hell can they prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chauvin intended to murder Floyd. They purposely wanted the acquittal, so they’ll get the black community all stirred up again right before the election.
Well without a venue change he's going to have a difficult time convincing a hostile jury of his innocence. It's not going to matter what the evidence shows. Charges should be dropped
2nd degree requires proving intent, a much higher bar than manslaughter. I'm saying they'll find at least one juror who will have a "reasonable doubt."
They charged him knowing it wouldnt stick! They did it on purpose! They need nationwide riots (even more than they have now) over a dismissal or acquittal as a last ditch effort to keep everyone home afraid to leave their homes mailing in their ballot!
You have no idea how this process works in MN, obviously. Every lesser charge is automatic. If they can't convict on 2nd degree murder, 3rd is in play. Etc. On down the line ...
They won't get an acquittal before the election - trial is set for next year. Only way this blows up before the election is if they drop the charges. Not sure if that's what you meant.
We all know that this is coming and probably right before the election. They're probably going to burn down the rest of Minneapolis when it happens.
Ellison is a scumbag who purposefully held back the full footage to push a narrative. I doubt most people have gone back and viewed the full video. They still believe what they want them to believe.
You haven't seen the full video. The bodycam circulating doesn't change anything. Nobody should've thought GF was anything other than combative, freaking out, OD. We all knew that from day 1.
What we don't know is if he died under Chauvin's knees. Nor do we know how that fact might change a verdict.
They have to prove that the officer intentionally murdered GF for the second degree murder charge to stick. An accidental death isn't going to be enough.
I don't see anything in the circulating video that shows them acting with any intention to kill him, but I guess there could be more video that we haven't seen that does show it.
609.19 Subdivision 2 (1) requires that they prove an additional felony above and beyond what was listed in the charging document, plus prove the cause of death.
I've been known to troll threads on reddit, saying that I hope Keith Ellison has a room full of interns scouring the published medical literature looking for a case, any case, where even a single human being has survived more than a few minutes after registering 10+ ng/ml in a fentanyl blood concentration test, because the defense is damn sure that the jury is going to be hearing about dozens of documented cases who all died with ~4 ng/ml in their blood.
we do know that. he was alive in the ambulance, because the emt's requested an officer in the ambulance in case he became conscious. they drew blood and he was pronounced dead an hour later at the hospital. both of his autopsies show no neck trauma, nor do they show asphyxiation as cause of death.
how is neck trauma and asphyxiation irrelevant? the common belief is that GF died due to officer chauvin having his knee on floyd's neck, preventing him from breathing. if he was declared dead AT THE HOSPITAL, then how could he have died on the ground under chauvin's knee. THINK THIS THROUGH.
ambulance arrives = 8:27pm
ambulance leaves with GF for hospital = 8:30pm
blood samples = collected at hospital @ 9pm (before death)
time of death = 9:25pm IN HOSPITAL
chauvin couldnt have possibly killed GF because GF was still alive in the ambulance. how do i know? a recorded phone call from paramedics shows that he went into cardiac arrest less than 5 mins after being loaded into the ambulance.
i have no doubt this man OD'ed on multiple drugs, and combined with advanced heart disease, sickle cell anemia, and covid, he was a goner anyway. he tested positive for fentanyl, methamphetamine, norfentanyl, weed, caffeine, and morphine.
with a cocktail like that in him, + the pre-existing conditions, is it any surprise he died how he did? go re-read the TWO autopsies, and re-watch the bodycam footage. i've done my research.
Everything you've said is irrelevant except the phone call, talking about a heart attack within 5 minutes of being in the ambulance. I haven't seen that info, where did you find that?
If true, that's significant. Had they started CPR yet? If they had, that may be equally significant. If they didn't start CPR until after his heart attack was over, that too is significant.
What you (and almost everyone else here) are failing to fathom is that only a MD can pronounce someone dead. Just because that didn't happen until 9:25 says nothing about GF being alive up until that point. Further, CPR isn't started because they find signs of life. By thinking GF was alive at 9 for the blood draw, you're making the same mistake everyone else is.
You don't know GF would've died without Police contact. You don't know he would've lived, either. If the entire case hangs on nothing more than that, that's about as weak as can be. There may well be facts that allow a Jury to arrive at a much stronger conclusion, either way. That would obviously be better.
I personally think that the officer needs to sue the city as well for wrongful termination and withholding evidence. He and the four other officers should become millionaires from this! They put down a 10 time criminal who once held a gun to a pregnant lady's stomach, they're basically heroes.
Especially the two officers who were rookies in their first week on the job, and didn't even do anything remotely improper. I expect and hope they will get massive settlements from the city when this is all over.
from the city? from taxpayers? nah. Settlement should come DIRECTLY out of the pockets of those responsible. Civil suit against the city, naming the specific people as the guilty party.
the Reeeeing is going to be intense but fuck them if he's proven innocent, this mentality that every white man is a black killer is stupid, the statistics don't support their lies.
If you go to the articles about this, they try to present the fact that he died from asphyxiation as evidence that he was strangled by Chauvin's knee. In reality, asphyxiation is just death from lack of oxygen, which a lethal dose of a downer would also cause.
This is what the crowd here is entirely too reactionary about, jumping to conclusions. Chauvin didn't break his neck with his knee - that would be extremely difficult to do. By no means does that mean he didn't restrict his breathing enough to make the difference between life and death, which is something I don't see how it could be proven either way. Likewise would GF have died that day without Police contact? I don't see how that's knowable either.
Are these things enough to make conviction for anything impossible? What a pisser if they simply drop charges for this reason.
Is the standard not “beyond a reasonable doubt?”
This casts doubt on the fact that this was a murder, let alone a premeditated murder, which is what the charges brought against chauvin require the prosecution to prove.
No, 2nd degree murder in MN requires no such thing. Neither does 3rd degree murder. Neither does manslaughter.
Now the drugs may be seen as reasonable doubt by the jury, that would make for an interesting trial. But the State AG knew all that when he took the case.
The family wanted 1st degree; THAT requires proof of intent. They first filed 3rd degree murder and whatever degree manslaughter, then they added 2nd degree murder and charged the other 3 Officers with aiding and abetting murder.
So I don't know what happens to the charges against the other 3 if Chauvin isn't convicted of murder. Do those charges automatically evaporate?
Yes. He died long after the knee was removed from his neck. Some idiot was trying to tell me he died and was resuscitated by paramedics before dying again, so the cop really did kill him - the only problem with that theory is none of the transcripts anywhere mention resuscitation, and they do mention paramedics checking for pulse. The only rational explanation is that they checked for pulse and found one, as standard protocol otherwise would be to start CPR.
How do you know that? All I've seen is he wasn't pronounced dead until later. That doesn't say he was alive in the ambulance. When was CPR started? He surely wasn't breathing and didn't have a pulse then. It'd be strange if CPR wasn't started in the ambulance, which could mean they found a pulse or other evidence of life.
Pretty much. The idiots within blm and all that crap couldn't care less about actual evidence. They still believe hands up don't shoot actually happened.
All majority black dem cities are going to increase crime intentionally until all the middle class whites flee. They will then be kings of their shithole welfare cities, and use federal aid money to finance their lifestyle. I give my city (memphis) 5 years. I'm also getting out now before houses in the suburbs go up any further.
There's not going to be a race war. Just like there wasn't a race war after the 1967 riots in Detroit. Instead it will be increased white flight and trickier and trickier legal methods to keep them out of our neighborhoods.
Kind of like today? Most people don't have the stomach for the type of violence that comes from extreme tribalism. There has to be a hierachy saying we don't take anymore to kick something like that off. I don't see it happening.
There is no hierarchy to the right. Just lone wolves. If the rule of law prevails, we don't need to do any such thing. Otherwise Pepe stays in the pot and gets boiled to death. We need to decide when it's too damn hot. Look at the progress of marxism in the US ...
The state attorney general hand-took-up the case. There is no chance in the world that guy is going to drop the case. He purposely over-charged (murder 2nd degree) which has NO chance of sticking, so a "not guilty" verdict will occur. Manslaughter is among the charges, which could stick. But no way 2nd degree murder charge is appropriate.
Murder? George Floyd wasn't murdered. He died due to drugs. Are you a lefty shill that's gotten lost? Perhaps you've become lost. This site is where adults to to discuss serious issues that affect all of us.
You can't claim to know GF would've died without Police contact that day. That's what you're asserting. And that may be what the trial hinges on, and a jury may find it's enough to create reasonable doubt and not convict on anything.
Fat lady has not sung. We don't have critical information. When did CPR start? When did GF die? This whole mess has been nothing but over reaction.
The guy was doing his job as trained. Manslaughter is accidental death. 2nd degree murder... is murder and he did it on purpose. No chance that's true beyond a reasonable doubt
Absolutely false. In MN, that's murder in the first degree. That's what the family pushed for, and it's significant that the charge wasn't filed. 2nd is completely different. I forget all the technicalities now, but they don't need to prove intent to get 2nd to stick.
In MN, every lesser charge is automatic. I don't know how low that could go, battery? But in MN, the Jury is not informed of this, so they filed a couple lesser charges to make sure the Jury could convict on those if they fail to convict on 2nd. I don't know what jurisdiction they plan on moving this to that they don't all fry in bacon grease for a week before being electrocuted by the gonads.
It'll be an interesting trial, if we get that far ...
Shit is about to pop off when they drop all charges. This man should be compensated for any time he spent in jail with salary he would have made at the police department.
You don't know when he was alive. All you know is when he was pronounced dead. You know whenever CPR was started there was no pulse, breathing, or other signs of life. Do we even know when CPR was started?
Unless the medical report and transcripts are a lie, we know CPR wasn't started on scene, which means the paramedics did get a pulse, which means Floyd was alive.
I mean, it could be a grand conspiracy among 4+ cops, 3+ medical personal, maybe. But I think it's a lot more likely he died later.
You know no such thing. We saw him loaded onto the gurney. Was CPR started in the ambulance? If not, that would be highly unusual, and would be a good indicator they found some sign of life. Unless it's standard for them never to start CPR until they arrive at the hospital, which would mainly be based on travel time.
You have absolutely NO info saying anyone ever found a pulse after GF passed out under Chauvin's knees. Knowing for sure would make this case a lot stronger, either way. The weakest possible outcome is if it's simple reasonable doubt, maybe GF would've died that day anyway even with no Police contact. We can guess that now. And a Jury could have to decide based on just that. That would suck.
Sure, it's possible there was a grand conspiracy and everyone cooperated to hide the cause of death. But more likely than not, the transcript is accurate. CPR was not performed because Floyd was alive. The only way that isn't true is that everyone on the ambulance lied and cooperated to in some conspiracy to save a crooked cop. Is that what you believe?
Please provide a source. This is the timeline I have seen presented:
Medical response and death
At 8:27 pm, a Hennepin County ambulance arrived. Shortly thereafter, a young relative of the owner of Cup Foods attempted to intervene, but was pushed back by Thao. Emergency medical technicians checked Floyd's pulse. Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck for almost a minute after the ambulance arrived, despite Floyd being silent and motionless. Prosecutors said that Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's neck for seven minutes and forty-six seconds.
Around 8:29, Floyd was lifted by paramedics onto a stretcher, then loaded into an ambulance which departed for Hennepin County Medical Center. En route, the ambulance requested assistance from the Minneapolis Fire Department. At 8:32, firefighters arrived at Cup Foods; according to their report, the police officers gave no clear information regarding Floyd's condition or whereabouts, which delayed their ability to find the ambulance. Meanwhile, the ambulance reported that Floyd was entering cardiac arrest and again requested assistance, asking firefighters to meet them at the corner of 36th Street and Park Avenue. Five minutes later, the fire department reached the ambulance; two fire department medics who boarded the ambulance found Floyd unresponsive and pulseless.
So pulse is checked at 8:27pm. Floyd was listed into the ambulance at 8:29. At 8:32 the ambulance reported Floyed was entering cardiac arrest. At no point in-between was CPR reportedly performed.
You don't check pulse, find no pulse, and than NOT perform CPR.
If you have a better source that contradicts the above timeline, please provide it. It's not easy to find unbiased information, but the above timeline was pieced together with video evidence and can easily be confirmed by reviewing the released videos at the same timestamps.
That info may be correct, but it certainly isn't gathered from any videos. Those end with GF entering the ambulance. Chauvin kept his knee on GF's neck for a lot longer than a minute after he lay motionless, which can easily be seen as unreasonable and poor judgment,. Why this was necessary for another minute even after EMTs arrived is something I expect Chauvin will be explaining to a Judge. The discrepancy between 7:46 and 8:46 everyone else has said may or may not be material, Idk.
All cops involved will also have to explain calling FD for help but making their whereabouts unknown. That extra 5 or 6 minutes may have been the difference between life and death, and justice demands that be probed.
Either way you have GF unofficially dead at around 8:37, when FD medics found GF unresponsive and pulseless. We still don't know when CPR was started, or where. So the 9 PM blood draw being declared as taken before death simply refers to being before GF was officially pronounced dead by an MD, and does not mean he was actually alive.
Let's say 8:32 is when GF was first observed having a heart attack in the ambulance; that's a close guess, but not accurate. It could have been earlier. That's within 4 minutes of Chauvin finally deciding to remove his knees from the perp who had lain motionless for quite some time already. It's impossible to say there's no connection between the two.
There may be enough doubt to make it impossible to convict, for anything. Hopefully the Jury will have more info to work with than we have here, and be able to make a good call. It's really hard to envision what jurisdiction this might be moved to that a Jury doesn't have these cops in boiling oil for a week and then electrocuted by the gonads. And there's certainly nothing here to exonerate any of the four cops. Although what an appropriate charge might be, if any, I have no idea.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're not Santa Claus, you don't know when anybody's been sleeping, awake, naughty, nice, or anything else.
Some day you might even come to realize there isn't a Santa Claus
No we don't, you're reading that wrong. All that statement on the autopsy report means is this was before GF was officially pronounced dead. Read it again.
I seen [sic] it too. Again, all that means is he hadn't been officially pronounced dead yet. It is is not some pronouncement that he was alive, nor that there were any signs of life. It's as simple as at that time nobody qualified to pronounce him dead had been there yet.
You're over reacting, along with everyone else. At least you're not out destroying things over it. These things aren't written for the layman to understand or interpret, which means you can't just read it and expect to understand it like normal English, which is the mistake you're making.
When was CPR started? Because at that time, no signs of life were found. And no signs of life were found afterwards, either. This is a key piece of info I don't think we have. Betcha it was started in the ambulance, or as soon as they arrived at the hospital. Not after 9 PM. But I don't think we know for sure now.
It already started on 5/26. It's just a question of where. Our best bet is to keep the violence out of our areas. Cooperating with LEOs is the best strategy, where possible.
I am the of the thought that $1 per .45 round is outrageous but will cave to the cost at this point in the timeline and will get it where I can find it for that price. I have already stocked up. Don't flinch now.
I feel bad. I've batted 1000 on these incidents in the past and this one I got wrong, as did seemingly everyone. I hope this officer is found not guilty. And if the left throws a shit fit over it, their funeral. The nation is out of fuse on the rioting and violence. And more and it's on.
Some crooked judge somewhere will find a way to stall the verdict (or dismissal) until AFTER the election. The race riots are still going, and the left doesn't want to risk the truth becoming public and taking the wind out of the rioters' sails until November 3rd.
Aha. Well, there we go. Verdict not happening till after the election. :)
(probably there were some liberal strategists somewhere who had been hoping for a "not guilty" or a dismissal BEFORE November 3rd, in order to really kick the riots into high gear...........)
It's a mixed bag. Dropped charges would almost certainly equal angrier rioters, but at the same time, Trump and the political right would get a lot of useful campaign ammunition out of it. Especially if that AG is a known liberal..........
(if he is, I very much doubt he will drop charges--the rioters would head for HIS house, and if the rioters didn't kill him outright, the voters in the next local election would end his career FAST)
Not only is MN AG Ellison a known liberal, his position was bought by Soros. Along with many other AGs throughout the Country. Militias are coordinating and making lists of these characters.
Wouldn't be surprised if the retard held his breath with the drugs in his system, suicide by cop because he didnt want to go to jail. Chauvin is innocent.
While he may have preferred death to jail, it's quite unlikely he would've been able to kill himself that way under any circumstances. You pass out, then breathing resumes.
If Chauvin was counting on this and intentionally knocked him out with the hold, he felt him slipping unconscious; why didn't he release the pressure then? If GF died under Chauvin's knees, it's really hard to say he's innocent.
Anyone who comes to my home to try and take it or destroy it will be dealt with. I will also protect my neighborhood as all should. Stand your ground Patriots. Don't let thieves come in and just raid you. Do what is RIGHT no matter what a local law says.
And Police Officers do you jobs and protect the people and let them protect each other. Do Not obey unlawful orders to arrest those who protect themselves.
The october acquittal will cause worse rioting than the video did.. and they will try to time it so they can intimidate voters at the polls. Glad I can open carry
In my area you cannot. I imagine that's by State. Do find out about the voting location!
We have some unusual preparations to make. We should have a second shift of poll watchers who start say an hour before polls close. Watch them bring in their predictable boxes of mail in ballots at the last minute, and scrutinize each one. This is where the main fraud takes place. Who ever monitors that? By that time everybody's tired and wants to go home. This is when Killary and Kamala cackle like witches!
We also need to monitor voting locations to call cops if an angry horde starts arriving.
Wait until they get the medical expert witness on the stand when he shows mountains of medical evidence that fentanyl is extremely dangerous and significantly increases your risk of heart attacks.
Saint Floyd is the only person in America to have died while being WuFlu positive, and not have that classified as the cause of their death.
No, they counted him.
Three times. Once for each funeral.
LIES!
Once for each news article written
No, three times. One for each deadly dose of fentanyl. Get it right
Kek.
Suddenly the cure to Covid is a lethal amount of fentanyl.... or maybe Covid cures opiate overdoses... Either way a knee on the BACK of the neck is what caused lack of oxygen because my trachea is in the back of my neck too.
George Floyd was a walking medical marvel !
I called his acquittal as soon as the 2nd degree murder charge was announced. No way in hell can they prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chauvin intended to murder Floyd. They purposely wanted the acquittal, so they’ll get the black community all stirred up again right before the election.
That's what i'm thinking as well this is meant to restart all this shit
Anything left in Minneapolis to burn down?
They actually kept it pretty contained to Lake Street which I called Baked Street, personally.
Lake and Bake - and I helped
Halped!
They missed a few places
Well without a venue change he's going to have a difficult time convincing a hostile jury of his innocence. It's not going to matter what the evidence shows. Charges should be dropped
2nd degree requires proving intent, a much higher bar than manslaughter. I'm saying they'll find at least one juror who will have a "reasonable doubt."
Or just have a judge throw it out as a matter of law. In October.
second or third week...
I hope you're right pede
It's going to be a mind fuck for anyone on that jury once they realize he's innocent and then have to consider...
and
The Mafia would kill to have the kind of control over juries that the Democrats do
Scary when you put it that way.
Same mob really. Just in female form.
They charged him knowing it wouldnt stick! They did it on purpose! They need nationwide riots (even more than they have now) over a dismissal or acquittal as a last ditch effort to keep everyone home afraid to leave their homes mailing in their ballot!
You have no idea how this process works in MN, obviously. Every lesser charge is automatic. If they can't convict on 2nd degree murder, 3rd is in play. Etc. On down the line ...
They won't get an acquittal before the election - trial is set for next year. Only way this blows up before the election is if they drop the charges. Not sure if that's what you meant.
We all know that this is coming and probably right before the election. They're probably going to burn down the rest of Minneapolis when it happens.
Ellison is a scumbag who purposefully held back the full footage to push a narrative. I doubt most people have gone back and viewed the full video. They still believe what they want them to believe.
You haven't seen the full video. The bodycam circulating doesn't change anything. Nobody should've thought GF was anything other than combative, freaking out, OD. We all knew that from day 1.
What we don't know is if he died under Chauvin's knees. Nor do we know how that fact might change a verdict.
They have to prove that the officer intentionally murdered GF for the second degree murder charge to stick. An accidental death isn't going to be enough.
I don't see anything in the circulating video that shows them acting with any intention to kill him, but I guess there could be more video that we haven't seen that does show it.
That's not part of any of the charges filed.
You're right. It's filed as a second degree unintentional murder charge: https://www.ag.state.mn.us/Office/Communications/2020/docs/Complaint_Chauvin.pdf
I didn't think it qualified under the definitions listed under unintentional, but I'm not a lawyer: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19
609.19 Subdivision 2 (1) requires that they prove an additional felony above and beyond what was listed in the charging document, plus prove the cause of death.
I've been known to troll threads on reddit, saying that I hope Keith Ellison has a room full of interns scouring the published medical literature looking for a case, any case, where even a single human being has survived more than a few minutes after registering 10+ ng/ml in a fentanyl blood concentration test, because the defense is damn sure that the jury is going to be hearing about dozens of documented cases who all died with ~4 ng/ml in their blood.
we do know that. he was alive in the ambulance, because the emt's requested an officer in the ambulance in case he became conscious. they drew blood and he was pronounced dead an hour later at the hospital. both of his autopsies show no neck trauma, nor do they show asphyxiation as cause of death.
what more do you need to know?
That does NOT say anything about him being alive in the ambulance!
Sheesh, think this through.
When did CPR start? When did GF die?
Neck trauma and asphyxiation is irrelevant.
how is neck trauma and asphyxiation irrelevant? the common belief is that GF died due to officer chauvin having his knee on floyd's neck, preventing him from breathing. if he was declared dead AT THE HOSPITAL, then how could he have died on the ground under chauvin's knee. THINK THIS THROUGH.
chauvin couldnt have possibly killed GF because GF was still alive in the ambulance. how do i know? a recorded phone call from paramedics shows that he went into cardiac arrest less than 5 mins after being loaded into the ambulance.
i have no doubt this man OD'ed on multiple drugs, and combined with advanced heart disease, sickle cell anemia, and covid, he was a goner anyway. he tested positive for fentanyl, methamphetamine, norfentanyl, weed, caffeine, and morphine.
with a cocktail like that in him, + the pre-existing conditions, is it any surprise he died how he did? go re-read the TWO autopsies, and re-watch the bodycam footage. i've done my research.
your move.
These people are too bluepilled to see the truth
Everything you've said is irrelevant except the phone call, talking about a heart attack within 5 minutes of being in the ambulance. I haven't seen that info, where did you find that?
If true, that's significant. Had they started CPR yet? If they had, that may be equally significant. If they didn't start CPR until after his heart attack was over, that too is significant.
What you (and almost everyone else here) are failing to fathom is that only a MD can pronounce someone dead. Just because that didn't happen until 9:25 says nothing about GF being alive up until that point. Further, CPR isn't started because they find signs of life. By thinking GF was alive at 9 for the blood draw, you're making the same mistake everyone else is.
You don't know GF would've died without Police contact. You don't know he would've lived, either. If the entire case hangs on nothing more than that, that's about as weak as can be. There may well be facts that allow a Jury to arrive at a much stronger conclusion, either way. That would obviously be better.
I personally think that the officer needs to sue the city as well for wrongful termination and withholding evidence. He and the four other officers should become millionaires from this! They put down a 10 time criminal who once held a gun to a pregnant lady's stomach, they're basically heroes.
Especially the two officers who were rookies in their first week on the job, and didn't even do anything remotely improper. I expect and hope they will get massive settlements from the city when this is all over.
With what money? They are $500 Million in the hole from riot damage alone, not even counting debt from shitty, failed liberal policy.
If they're at -$500m, I see no problem with -$600m.
Plus cops are defunded.
Only way to win is to completely defund the corrupt Democrat political machines in every US city.
Coronavirus relief money. Just got to push up those stats and all is well
from the city? from taxpayers? nah. Settlement should come DIRECTLY out of the pockets of those responsible. Civil suit against the city, naming the specific people as the guilty party.
Right on brother. And hope your work stuff is going okay. MAGA
No we know why Ellerson withheld the body cam footage.
Called it months ago. They were supposed to drop charges closer to election, but footage got leaked.
Well to be fair, this stopped being about Floyd about 7 days in.
the Reeeeing is going to be intense but fuck them if he's proven innocent, this mentality that every white man is a black killer is stupid, the statistics don't support their lies.
Nobody gets proven innocent. You are presumed innocent until proven guilty in America. That is if the justice system works correctly.
Nadler and Schitt and Pelosi say you dont understand how it works.
Antifa is a myth. - Nadler.
A myth that only exists when talked about in D.C.
true but let's be real, the media/sheeple already think he's guilty clearly.
This trial needs to be televised so the entire country can see the evidence and come to understand the facts alongside the jury.
If you go to the articles about this, they try to present the fact that he died from asphyxiation as evidence that he was strangled by Chauvin's knee. In reality, asphyxiation is just death from lack of oxygen, which a lethal dose of a downer would also cause.
This is what the crowd here is entirely too reactionary about, jumping to conclusions. Chauvin didn't break his neck with his knee - that would be extremely difficult to do. By no means does that mean he didn't restrict his breathing enough to make the difference between life and death, which is something I don't see how it could be proven either way. Likewise would GF have died that day without Police contact? I don't see how that's knowable either.
Are these things enough to make conviction for anything impossible? What a pisser if they simply drop charges for this reason.
Is the standard not “beyond a reasonable doubt?” This casts doubt on the fact that this was a murder, let alone a premeditated murder, which is what the charges brought against chauvin require the prosecution to prove.
No, 2nd degree murder in MN requires no such thing. Neither does 3rd degree murder. Neither does manslaughter.
Now the drugs may be seen as reasonable doubt by the jury, that would make for an interesting trial. But the State AG knew all that when he took the case.
I thought they were going for first degree at one point. Did they dial it back or am I misremembering?
The family wanted 1st degree; THAT requires proof of intent. They first filed 3rd degree murder and whatever degree manslaughter, then they added 2nd degree murder and charged the other 3 Officers with aiding and abetting murder.
So I don't know what happens to the charges against the other 3 if Chauvin isn't convicted of murder. Do those charges automatically evaporate?
and he's not wrong.
when does not being wrong matter to the liberals?
When are they ever right?
Theres a right and a not-right?
50 shades of not right, for every commulib. They'll never admit to being wrong.
George Floyd Autopsy (FULL REPORT)
https://www.scribd.com/document/464269559/George-Floyd-Autopsy-FULL-REPORT#fullscreen&from_embed
Amazing amounts of drugs in his system.
And...
Arteriosclerotic heart disease
Hypertensive heart disease
Clinical history of hypertension
"Arteriosclerotic heart disease"!!!!
We should riot and pull down some statues!!!!
He had a gram of fentanyl and 56 grams of norfentanyl in his system... Am I converting that correctly?
Also, he died at 9:25pm... Was that well after the video of him taken away?
Yes. He died long after the knee was removed from his neck. Some idiot was trying to tell me he died and was resuscitated by paramedics before dying again, so the cop really did kill him - the only problem with that theory is none of the transcripts anywhere mention resuscitation, and they do mention paramedics checking for pulse. The only rational explanation is that they checked for pulse and found one, as standard protocol otherwise would be to start CPR.
He was alive in the ambulance. What else does he need to say?
How do you know that? All I've seen is he wasn't pronounced dead until later. That doesn't say he was alive in the ambulance. When was CPR started? He surely wasn't breathing and didn't have a pulse then. It'd be strange if CPR wasn't started in the ambulance, which could mean they found a pulse or other evidence of life.
https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-officers-attorney-alleges-george-floyd-overdosed-on-fentanyl-says-charges-should-be-dropped
Trump needs to start using the emergency broadcast system like every day. Playing the footage would be a great first use.
Pretty much. The idiots within blm and all that crap couldn't care less about actual evidence. They still believe hands up don't shoot actually happened.
They still believe Trayvon Martin was killed by a white man. For no good reason.
F U C K
Nope-got to get everyone to vote by mail. Fear will do it. Fraud and theft of the election will be drowned out by news stories of mayhem.
BS. We have to fight this, HARD!
Grateful to not live in a very large jogger community. Good luck everybody else
All majority black dem cities are going to increase crime intentionally until all the middle class whites flee. They will then be kings of their shithole welfare cities, and use federal aid money to finance their lifestyle. I give my city (memphis) 5 years. I'm also getting out now before houses in the suburbs go up any further.
There's not going to be a race war. Just like there wasn't a race war after the 1967 riots in Detroit. Instead it will be increased white flight and trickier and trickier legal methods to keep them out of our neighborhoods.
Don't think this is business as usual. And riots in '67-68 were all over, not just Detroit.
Kind of like today? Most people don't have the stomach for the type of violence that comes from extreme tribalism. There has to be a hierachy saying we don't take anymore to kick something like that off. I don't see it happening.
There is no hierarchy to the right. Just lone wolves. If the rule of law prevails, we don't need to do any such thing. Otherwise Pepe stays in the pot and gets boiled to death. We need to decide when it's too damn hot. Look at the progress of marxism in the US ...
The lefts convictions are weak. They will never get angry outside a dem city.
The state attorney general hand-took-up the case. There is no chance in the world that guy is going to drop the case. He purposely over-charged (murder 2nd degree) which has NO chance of sticking, so a "not guilty" verdict will occur. Manslaughter is among the charges, which could stick. But no way 2nd degree murder charge is appropriate.
Been saying that since day 1. Manslaughter is the only thing that could stick as he died in police custody.
Why is murder in custody impossible?
Murder? George Floyd wasn't murdered. He died due to drugs. Are you a lefty shill that's gotten lost? Perhaps you've become lost. This site is where adults to to discuss serious issues that affect all of us.
You can't claim to know GF would've died without Police contact that day. That's what you're asserting. And that may be what the trial hinges on, and a jury may find it's enough to create reasonable doubt and not convict on anything.
Fat lady has not sung. We don't have critical information. When did CPR start? When did GF die? This whole mess has been nothing but over reaction.
What makes you say 2nd is inappropriate?
The guy was doing his job as trained. Manslaughter is accidental death. 2nd degree murder... is murder and he did it on purpose. No chance that's true beyond a reasonable doubt
Absolutely false. In MN, that's murder in the first degree. That's what the family pushed for, and it's significant that the charge wasn't filed. 2nd is completely different. I forget all the technicalities now, but they don't need to prove intent to get 2nd to stick.
In MN, every lesser charge is automatic. I don't know how low that could go, battery? But in MN, the Jury is not informed of this, so they filed a couple lesser charges to make sure the Jury could convict on those if they fail to convict on 2nd. I don't know what jurisdiction they plan on moving this to that they don't all fry in bacon grease for a week before being electrocuted by the gonads.
It'll be an interesting trial, if we get that far ...
Shit is about to pop off when they drop all charges. This man should be compensated for any time he spent in jail with salary he would have made at the police department.
Alleges? He fucking did. Period. The junkie killed himself with drugs and the media/dems blamed the cops. Fucking madness.
It was their plan all along!
Just in time to trigger another round of "peaceful protests" to cause a "third wave" COVID outbreak and help push the mail-in vote narrative.
You don't know when he was alive. All you know is when he was pronounced dead. You know whenever CPR was started there was no pulse, breathing, or other signs of life. Do we even know when CPR was started?
Unless the medical report and transcripts are a lie, we know CPR wasn't started on scene, which means the paramedics did get a pulse, which means Floyd was alive.
I mean, it could be a grand conspiracy among 4+ cops, 3+ medical personal, maybe. But I think it's a lot more likely he died later.
You know no such thing. We saw him loaded onto the gurney. Was CPR started in the ambulance? If not, that would be highly unusual, and would be a good indicator they found some sign of life. Unless it's standard for them never to start CPR until they arrive at the hospital, which would mainly be based on travel time.
You have absolutely NO info saying anyone ever found a pulse after GF passed out under Chauvin's knees. Knowing for sure would make this case a lot stronger, either way. The weakest possible outcome is if it's simple reasonable doubt, maybe GF would've died that day anyway even with no Police contact. We can guess that now. And a Jury could have to decide based on just that. That would suck.
You didn't read the transcript of events did you?
Sure, it's possible there was a grand conspiracy and everyone cooperated to hide the cause of death. But more likely than not, the transcript is accurate. CPR was not performed because Floyd was alive. The only way that isn't true is that everyone on the ambulance lied and cooperated to in some conspiracy to save a crooked cop. Is that what you believe?
CPR was performed. I have no idea what the rest of that is supposed to mean, but you're wrong right off the bat.
Please provide a source. This is the timeline I have seen presented:
So pulse is checked at 8:27pm. Floyd was listed into the ambulance at 8:29. At 8:32 the ambulance reported Floyed was entering cardiac arrest. At no point in-between was CPR reportedly performed.
You don't check pulse, find no pulse, and than NOT perform CPR.
If you have a better source that contradicts the above timeline, please provide it. It's not easy to find unbiased information, but the above timeline was pieced together with video evidence and can easily be confirmed by reviewing the released videos at the same timestamps.
That info may be correct, but it certainly isn't gathered from any videos. Those end with GF entering the ambulance. Chauvin kept his knee on GF's neck for a lot longer than a minute after he lay motionless, which can easily be seen as unreasonable and poor judgment,. Why this was necessary for another minute even after EMTs arrived is something I expect Chauvin will be explaining to a Judge. The discrepancy between 7:46 and 8:46 everyone else has said may or may not be material, Idk.
All cops involved will also have to explain calling FD for help but making their whereabouts unknown. That extra 5 or 6 minutes may have been the difference between life and death, and justice demands that be probed.
Either way you have GF unofficially dead at around 8:37, when FD medics found GF unresponsive and pulseless. We still don't know when CPR was started, or where. So the 9 PM blood draw being declared as taken before death simply refers to being before GF was officially pronounced dead by an MD, and does not mean he was actually alive.
Let's say 8:32 is when GF was first observed having a heart attack in the ambulance; that's a close guess, but not accurate. It could have been earlier. That's within 4 minutes of Chauvin finally deciding to remove his knees from the perp who had lain motionless for quite some time already. It's impossible to say there's no connection between the two.
There may be enough doubt to make it impossible to convict, for anything. Hopefully the Jury will have more info to work with than we have here, and be able to make a good call. It's really hard to envision what jurisdiction this might be moved to that a Jury doesn't have these cops in boiling oil for a week and then electrocuted by the gonads. And there's certainly nothing here to exonerate any of the four cops. Although what an appropriate charge might be, if any, I have no idea.
Isn't it odd that you only slept 6 hours, and then got right back on this site? Your history reflects a similar pattern. What's going on with you IRL?
You have no idea what you're talking about. You're not Santa Claus, you don't know when anybody's been sleeping, awake, naughty, nice, or anything else.
Some day you might even come to realize there isn't a Santa Claus
You're reading that wrong. All it means is no MD had pronounced him dead yet. It doesn't mean any sign of life was found.
No we don't, you're reading that wrong. All that statement on the autopsy report means is this was before GF was officially pronounced dead. Read it again.
I seen [sic] it too. Again, all that means is he hadn't been officially pronounced dead yet. It is is not some pronouncement that he was alive, nor that there were any signs of life. It's as simple as at that time nobody qualified to pronounce him dead had been there yet.
You're over reacting, along with everyone else. At least you're not out destroying things over it. These things aren't written for the layman to understand or interpret, which means you can't just read it and expect to understand it like normal English, which is the mistake you're making.
When was CPR started? Because at that time, no signs of life were found. And no signs of life were found afterwards, either. This is a key piece of info I don't think we have. Betcha it was started in the ambulance, or as soon as they arrived at the hospital. Not after 9 PM. But I don't think we know for sure now.
Not the way things are done. Try learning something instead of over reacting. You're playing right into globalist's hands.
Fentanyl Floyd.
So this is how Civil War 2.0 Electric Boogaloo gets started.....
It already started on 5/26. It's just a question of where. Our best bet is to keep the violence out of our areas. Cooperating with LEOs is the best strategy, where possible.
You know what would be really genuinely funny here in Honkworld?
If all the riots stop when the charges are dropped.
Hahahaha that would be so unexpected.
AG isn't dropping charges.
I am the of the thought that $1 per .45 round is outrageous but will cave to the cost at this point in the timeline and will get it where I can find it for that price. I have already stocked up. Don't flinch now.
Imagine citing the results of an autopsy and having the media claim you are "alleging" something.
Propagandist scumbags. 30+ deaths from the George Floyd riots on their hands.
Is that all? How many paralyzed? Permanently disfugured? "Just" beaten?
How much in property damage?
I got one black person in my town. Pretty sure is based.
Cant wait for shit to go off now 🤣😂
That's 100% more than me!
https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-officers-attorney-alleges-george-floyd-overdosed-on-fentanyl-says-charges-should-be-dropped
The actual article in case anyone wants to read the MTD by Lanes atty.
I feel bad. I've batted 1000 on these incidents in the past and this one I got wrong, as did seemingly everyone. I hope this officer is found not guilty. And if the left throws a shit fit over it, their funeral. The nation is out of fuse on the rioting and violence. And more and it's on.
He's right.
Please drop the charges, please, please, please. I just got to see with these fucking idiots are going to do next✅🔥
Too soon.
Some crooked judge somewhere will find a way to stall the verdict (or dismissal) until AFTER the election. The race riots are still going, and the left doesn't want to risk the truth becoming public and taking the wind out of the rioters' sails until November 3rd.
Trial is already set for next year. No way is the State AG dropping charges.
Aha. Well, there we go. Verdict not happening till after the election. :)
(probably there were some liberal strategists somewhere who had been hoping for a "not guilty" or a dismissal BEFORE November 3rd, in order to really kick the riots into high gear...........)
It's even possible AG is exactly such a commulib strategist, and will drop the charges for exactly that reason. I sure hope not ...
It's a mixed bag. Dropped charges would almost certainly equal angrier rioters, but at the same time, Trump and the political right would get a lot of useful campaign ammunition out of it. Especially if that AG is a known liberal..........
(if he is, I very much doubt he will drop charges--the rioters would head for HIS house, and if the rioters didn't kill him outright, the voters in the next local election would end his career FAST)
Not only is MN AG Ellison a known liberal, his position was bought by Soros. Along with many other AGs throughout the Country. Militias are coordinating and making lists of these characters.
Wouldn't be surprised if the retard held his breath with the drugs in his system, suicide by cop because he didnt want to go to jail. Chauvin is innocent.
While he may have preferred death to jail, it's quite unlikely he would've been able to kill himself that way under any circumstances. You pass out, then breathing resumes.
If Chauvin was counting on this and intentionally knocked him out with the hold, he felt him slipping unconscious; why didn't he release the pressure then? If GF died under Chauvin's knees, it's really hard to say he's innocent.
Anyone who comes to my home to try and take it or destroy it will be dealt with. I will also protect my neighborhood as all should. Stand your ground Patriots. Don't let thieves come in and just raid you. Do what is RIGHT no matter what a local law says.
And Police Officers do you jobs and protect the people and let them protect each other. Do Not obey unlawful orders to arrest those who protect themselves.
They're gonna walk OR get suicide.
If the charges get dropped, they should wait until January 2nd, when it's cold, and most of last year's inventory is gone.
We've already burned it down. We can't burn it down any further
It can always get worse - Ramsay Bolton
Their acquittal will be the cue for the civil war
The october acquittal will cause worse rioting than the video did.. and they will try to time it so they can intimidate voters at the polls. Glad I can open carry
blm will try to close as many voting locations as possible anyway, just like they did at the Tulsa Trump rally.
You can carry into a voting location?
Idk I doubt it.
In my area you cannot. I imagine that's by State. Do find out about the voting location!
We have some unusual preparations to make. We should have a second shift of poll watchers who start say an hour before polls close. Watch them bring in their predictable boxes of mail in ballots at the last minute, and scrutinize each one. This is where the main fraud takes place. Who ever monitors that? By that time everybody's tired and wants to go home. This is when Killary and Kamala cackle like witches!
We also need to monitor voting locations to call cops if an angry horde starts arriving.
Naw, everybody is distracted by the piles of gibs me loot that were liberated from the White Oppressors in recent months. (Thank you, St Floyd)
They'll drop the charges late October, don't be fooled.
State AG isn't dropping the charges.
So much salt, so little shovels
And he DID....so, now what?
Yup. We about to get a lot more lootin' and shootin'. Hey, they LA riots never happened. Nothing to see here folks.
After this treatment maybe we need to get Chauvin set up with a his own wing of Helo Tour Choppers?
Time to get a plate carrier and a plate. If they come for the suburbs more than they already are we will need to be on guard duty on our porches.
All sold out.
If you haven't figured it out by now, if you live in an overbloated blue region, get the fuck out, now.
"alleges"
Lol
Wait until they get the medical expert witness on the stand when he shows mountains of medical evidence that fentanyl is extremely dangerous and significantly increases your risk of heart attacks.
We already knew that on day 1.