in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.
First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1]
Second, this doctrine can provide a non-biological parent to be given the legal rights and responsibilities of a biological parent if they have held themselves out as the parent.[2]
I guess they are trying to apply that to virtual classrooms as well.
Yeah, but it's almost entirely meant to be used in situations where the actual parent or parents are dead or unable to act. So, the school thing would be used if say, little Timmy was off at boarding school and had appendicitis while the parents were out of the country. The school could act in loco parentis and authorize emergency surgery. Or the non-biological parents would be used if mom had died and dad had remarried, but then died before they ever got around to signing adoption papers so she would be Tommy's official new mom. The state could say, "okay, new mom has held herself out to be the parent, so she gets legal recognition and Timmy won't go into the care of the state as an orphan."
The school could act in loco parentis and authorize emergency surgery.
This is almost exclusively why it exists for schools. In case of emergency when seconds matter, schools can't wait for parental approval for every action.
And if the school offers any kind of threat, write "this was signed under duress" on the signature line and then sign underneath. That phrase does WONDERFUL things when someone tries to enforce a contract.
In my school, you are not allowed to record teachers when learning online. Of course I know the fuckery because while I am in a red county, the teachers are ultra-left. That is the rule I will break to run down propaganda learning.
Because the De Vos Department of Education says so in this FERPA guidance for schools
Read slides 18-21.
The De Vos Department of Education encourages schools and colleges to formally exclude everyone but the student. Yes, this also applies to private, charter, and religious schools.
This is the document most public schools are writing their virtual education protocols around to avoid lawsuits for FERPA and due process violations. The demands of placing virtual learning in place in such a short period of time cause school districts to take as many shortcuts as possible--including wholesale lifting policy from the DoE or other, larger districts.
A lot of pedes seem to think the DoE is changing under De Vos. Maybe it's time to start burning up their phone lines and/or getting this on Tucker.
I don't see a problem about this, they are worried about a kids personal information being shared. It focuses on Personal info and doesn't exclude people watching.
We may be good parents but alot of public schools have Democrat Pedophiles parents who want to know if little Jimmy is home alone doing his NTI work and maybe what little Jimmy's address is.
Maybe you forget that when rules are made, they have to try to include What the Dems do.
when rules are made, they have to try to include What the Dems do.
No shit. Back in 2007 I dated a chick who was a hardcore leftie lawyer. She was constantly ranting about how evil the PATRIOT Act was. Her examples were completely leftarded though, all about "the right to privacy for terrorists to plan out their attacks" sort of nonsense.
Look, she had great tits, ok? Well, good tits anyway. Ok, just tits. Happy?!??!?
Anyway.
Fast forward to 2016 and the FISA abuse by Obama. Wow, I guess she was right -- but it took the Dems being in power to subvert and abuse the law to that extent.
Why would my child's math teacher, or English teacher, or science teacher be afraid of me listening in on what they're teaching? What could possibly be so problematic about algebra, or sentence diagramming, or the structure of the cell?
Not very because your child doesn't go to school if you don't. You can't send your child to another school because you have to live in that district. So it's either this, homeschool your kids, or spend 45k on a private school. You're an average parent making 70k as a household and both parents have fulltime jobs. It's August 20th and school starts in a week. What do you think parents are going to do? Yeah, this is extremely insiduous and messed up and it makes me vomit that it's a Trump appointed department of education sending out guidelines to exclude parents from this process. It looks like we have A LOT more work to do this year than I imagined.
Cancel culture. They have the platform to frame you as an agitator. It is important to not disturb a class that is underway.
Write a nice letter to the teacher afterwards about the concern. If there is not a satisfactory reply write one to the administration. Keep it in writing. If still not satisfactory then it is time to amass the contact information of all the parents of the students in that class and write something (including the video recording and all letters to and from). Provide your phone number and talk to each parent who wants to talk with you. Reach out to those who haven't shown interest but just once politely. If there is a lot of strong support, ask people to sign a petition.
The school is like any organization. They will ignore you if they can. They will fight you if they can easily win. If the stink you create will hurt them more then the idea of telling the teacher to not propagandize then the indoctrination will stop.
If you ever wanted parents to monitor their kids classes, I can't think of a better way to do it than tell them not too. I don't care whether I signed a piece of paper of not I would be in that room. Then I would go over with my kid why the teacher is wrong.
Last year, I talked my church into becoming a Homeschool Cover Program which doesn’t offer instruction, but helps parents meet our State’s Law so they can teach according to THEIR child’s needs. For the past two weeks, I have been OVERRUN. I’m fielding 10-15 inquiries a day ALL from public school parents who are desperate to escape. I live in one of the friendliest states in the country when it comes to homeschooling but I’m already seeing changes. Now’s the time to pull your children from the public school portal to hell before these states get tired of losing close to $10k per student per year. The window to homeschool your child is quickly closing. Don’t wait. Do it NOW! (Anyone with questions, feel free to reach out.)
It's enough to set your kid back a year even if it's not legaly binding. Yeah, that's going to look really fun on their college applications. "I stayed back a year because my parents had to make a stink about me being indoctrinated as a violent marxist"
That excuse doesnt even make sense
Leak what and to who? Their own parents? Like the kids wouldnt be able to do it themselves if they really wanted. And let's be honest the kids are more likely to use that information. The parents only care about their own kid
Haha go fuck your self. I’m constantly watching in on my kids. Plus my kids wear there MAGA shirts too on stream. Fuck all those haters. My boys are growing up to be men.
You can keep your eye on your f'ing dog at doggie day care, but your children are off limits? Anyone saying this shit needs to get a visit from people with badges who don't smile.
If they did this to me I’d say “Hand me the paper and a pen. I tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to wad up this paper and shove it right up your ass along with the pen! If you have something to hide then you are not allowed to be alone with my kid!”
New legislation needs to be introduced that allows any student of a publicly funded school to record their teachers either via cellphone, tape recorder, or computer program. We need to start hitting back at these Maoist teachers or our children will be taught critical race theory, the ahistorical 1619 project, or that Communism will definitely work this time.
When universities were about learning real things you were encouraged to record your classes because it would greatly help with studying and retaining info.
The angle of learning retention and studying would be the way to go with this. It's "all about kids" right?
You're not there to learn. You're there to get a degree. Universities and schools all know that they could be 100% replaced by volunteers making youtube videos and exercise books that have entered the public domain already. This is why you're not allowed to record on campuses anymore. It's to protect Intellectual Property.
I could agree with parents not commenting during a lesson. Many people live in homes where it would be hard to not be in the same room as your child. Say family of 4 has a 2-bedroom apartment. If little sibling is napping, and mom or dad is in their bedroom on a work call then school aged kid is in the living area online.
It is. You're not allowed in public schools as a parent. You can't ask to audit classes. You can't even legally request the educational materials used. This is much much worse than you think. People were just okay with this up until now because they took zero interest in their children's education.
Insane!
My wife's a teacher and is constantly trying to find ways to get parents involved and supportive of their kid's on line education. Grade school level, but it's all impossible if the parents aren't backing it.
Okay, so I don't know if the US already has something similar to this, but if not then now is the perfect time for Papa T to organize a massive home schooling database. He has the power and he has access to some of the best educated people in the world, why not just set up entire years worth of education for home schooling with video lectures etc that are free for basic education and openly available and give parents the option of saying to hell with the indoctrination centers. Screw harvard or yale or every other lefty shit hole, you want a qualification in for example accounting, dl this pack, watch these lectures if you need help, answer these questions, show up once or twice a year for an exam and you are good to go. If its a trade then require them to get apprenticeships as well and do X number of hours. Govt certification. No BLM or gender study bullshit classes required. And since its mostly online, the stuff that did cost would still be dirt cheap.
Homeschool! My kids belong to a based co-op that is already back to physical classrooms, and parents are encouraged to drop in and see what their kids are learning.
Tell the county officials to go fuck themselves and monitor the kids anyways.
Unless the county is paying for the internet, the room, the laptop, the desktop and the electricity, the parents have every right to monitor what their kid is being taught in their house.
Don't like that?? Then open the schools, cos parents are paying for that shit too.
If I dont see the parents in this county going to the fuckwits that decided on this and beat the shit out of them publicly, I'm going to be disappointed.
Not in my house. You teach I monitor!
Because.......I AM THE PARENT NOT YOU!!!
in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.
First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1]
Second, this doctrine can provide a non-biological parent to be given the legal rights and responsibilities of a biological parent if they have held themselves out as the parent.[2]
I guess they are trying to apply that to virtual classrooms as well.
That does not preclude parent's presence.
In loco parentis implies the suborned position of the school vs the actual parent. The parent has primacy.
That's a legal way of saying they can "fuck off", right?
I had to check... and yup, that's a real thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_loco_parentis
Yeah, but it's almost entirely meant to be used in situations where the actual parent or parents are dead or unable to act. So, the school thing would be used if say, little Timmy was off at boarding school and had appendicitis while the parents were out of the country. The school could act in loco parentis and authorize emergency surgery. Or the non-biological parents would be used if mom had died and dad had remarried, but then died before they ever got around to signing adoption papers so she would be Tommy's official new mom. The state could say, "okay, new mom has held herself out to be the parent, so she gets legal recognition and Timmy won't go into the care of the state as an orphan."
This is almost exclusively why it exists for schools. In case of emergency when seconds matter, schools can't wait for parental approval for every action.
Sure. Go look up "Bong Hits for Jesus" for a real trip.
I thought it was "crazy ass fake parents", go figure. Plenty of batshit insane schoolteachers, after all.
https://recordinglaw.com/united-states-recording-laws/one-party-consent-states/
Tennessee is single party consent. Dont sign it and record away.
This.
Or sign it and still record - it's not like it's a binding legal contract that you're entering into
And if the school offers any kind of threat, write "this was signed under duress" on the signature line and then sign underneath. That phrase does WONDERFUL things when someone tries to enforce a contract.
Depends on what the form is and says. I can see it going either way.
Heck yeah!
Record, record, record.
What are they going to do, kick your kid out of school because you refused to leave them alone with your child?
Go ahead. That is a lawyer's dream case.
Streisand effect incoming
Its this one
Like a teacher would tell me what to do in my own home. Best of luck on that...
In my school, you are not allowed to record teachers when learning online. Of course I know the fuckery because while I am in a red county, the teachers are ultra-left. That is the rule I will break to run down propaganda learning.
They cannot enforce it.
If you're in a single-party state, record it anyways and upload anon.
Record it anyway whether you are in a single party state or not.
Anyone who tells me I'm not allowed to monitor what theyre teaching my kids, will be lucky to get away with simply being posted to the internet.
Would those wiretap laws even apply when a PUBLIC worker for a PUBLIC school is streaming?
You can record police in PUBLIC.
Private schools may be different.
WHY? What are you hiding?
Because the De Vos Department of Education says so in this FERPA guidance for schools Read slides 18-21. The De Vos Department of Education encourages schools and colleges to formally exclude everyone but the student. Yes, this also applies to private, charter, and religious schools.
This is the document most public schools are writing their virtual education protocols around to avoid lawsuits for FERPA and due process violations. The demands of placing virtual learning in place in such a short period of time cause school districts to take as many shortcuts as possible--including wholesale lifting policy from the DoE or other, larger districts.
A lot of pedes seem to think the DoE is changing under De Vos. Maybe it's time to start burning up their phone lines and/or getting this on Tucker.
I don't see a problem about this, they are worried about a kids personal information being shared. It focuses on Personal info and doesn't exclude people watching.
We may be good parents but alot of public schools have Democrat Pedophiles parents who want to know if little Jimmy is home alone doing his NTI work and maybe what little Jimmy's address is.
Maybe you forget that when rules are made, they have to try to include What the Dems do.
No shit. Back in 2007 I dated a chick who was a hardcore leftie lawyer. She was constantly ranting about how evil the PATRIOT Act was. Her examples were completely leftarded though, all about "the right to privacy for terrorists to plan out their attacks" sort of nonsense.
Look, she had great tits, ok? Well, good tits anyway. Ok, just tits. Happy?!??!?
Anyway.
Fast forward to 2016 and the FISA abuse by Obama. Wow, I guess she was right -- but it took the Dems being in power to subvert and abuse the law to that extent.
This needs to be a sticky, for anyone with school age children... or cares about the future of this nation.
These schools are proving they have a lot to hide... Covid will be their undoing.
That is in regards to protecting PII, not lessons plans. Elsewhere in the document it states that PII should be restricted to parents and students.
This doesn't have any basis on parents viewing online lessons, only 3rd parties who shouldn't have access to PII.
i love how they tell you to do exactly what you should be doing , record them !
Start Demanding to Audit live classrooms. 1 parent each day switching out. should keep them on track in the schools.
How ‘bout this: each course is completely recorded and downloaded for viewing after the session has finished?
I can see the over the shoulder monitoring getting in the way of learning, but parents have to see the whole curriculum and it’s delivery at will.
Publicly funded, publicly viewable.
Perfectly reasonable compromise tbh
Why would my child's math teacher, or English teacher, or science teacher be afraid of me listening in on what they're teaching? What could possibly be so problematic about algebra, or sentence diagramming, or the structure of the cell?
Because public school has nothing to do with education anymore.
Oh honey.
Decolonizing Math: Creating Culturally Relevant Math Resources
Decolonization of Science: what is it that is to be done
Decolonizing Science and Science Education in a Postcolonial Space
What is Decolonized Curriculum
How fucking crazy do you have to be to actually sign this document?
Not very because your child doesn't go to school if you don't. You can't send your child to another school because you have to live in that district. So it's either this, homeschool your kids, or spend 45k on a private school. You're an average parent making 70k as a household and both parents have fulltime jobs. It's August 20th and school starts in a week. What do you think parents are going to do? Yeah, this is extremely insiduous and messed up and it makes me vomit that it's a Trump appointed department of education sending out guidelines to exclude parents from this process. It looks like we have A LOT more work to do this year than I imagined.
They can't kick your kid out of school if you don't agree to sign it.
how are they going to enforce it?
Cancel culture. They have the platform to frame you as an agitator. It is important to not disturb a class that is underway.
Write a nice letter to the teacher afterwards about the concern. If there is not a satisfactory reply write one to the administration. Keep it in writing. If still not satisfactory then it is time to amass the contact information of all the parents of the students in that class and write something (including the video recording and all letters to and from). Provide your phone number and talk to each parent who wants to talk with you. Reach out to those who haven't shown interest but just once politely. If there is a lot of strong support, ask people to sign a petition.
The school is like any organization. They will ignore you if they can. They will fight you if they can easily win. If the stink you create will hurt them more then the idea of telling the teacher to not propagandize then the indoctrination will stop.
"pedes" in this thread are already painting people who are concerned about this as agitators.
This
Parents can do what the F*** they want. To hell with these POSs
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/08/15/rutherford-county-schools-tell-parents-not-to-monitor-their-childs-virtual-classrooms/
The left screams we must record the police, but not the teachers. Strange how that works.
The left backtracked on the police bodycams REAL hard when they found out that it was just exhonerating the officers.
Left: Poor John was murdered by police for no reason, he was just walking down the street when they shot him.
Body cam shows PD rolling up on a guy yelling and screaming at the sky who all of Sudden charges theM with a knife.
If you ever wanted parents to monitor their kids classes, I can't think of a better way to do it than tell them not too. I don't care whether I signed a piece of paper of not I would be in that room. Then I would go over with my kid why the teacher is wrong.
Right? It's like your kid saying "don't look under my bed."
Last year, I talked my church into becoming a Homeschool Cover Program which doesn’t offer instruction, but helps parents meet our State’s Law so they can teach according to THEIR child’s needs. For the past two weeks, I have been OVERRUN. I’m fielding 10-15 inquiries a day ALL from public school parents who are desperate to escape. I live in one of the friendliest states in the country when it comes to homeschooling but I’m already seeing changes. Now’s the time to pull your children from the public school portal to hell before these states get tired of losing close to $10k per student per year. The window to homeschool your child is quickly closing. Don’t wait. Do it NOW! (Anyone with questions, feel free to reach out.)
Doing the Lord's work.
Thank you!
❤️🤍💙
Or let one parent sign it and the other record it. Married people still cannot be forced to testify against one another.
or what about sibling or family friend?
I'm very doubtful that this is any kind of binding legal contract anyway.
It's enough to set your kid back a year even if it's not legaly binding. Yeah, that's going to look really fun on their college applications. "I stayed back a year because my parents had to make a stink about me being indoctrinated as a violent marxist"
All the more reason! Trounce it.
I'd sign it.
KISS MY ASS
In block letters with a fat felt tip marker.
And your child doesn't go to school. What then, rebel?
You say that like it's a bad thing. Kids haven't learned jack shit in public school for a long time. And now doing it "at a distance?" lol
What happens if the parent refuses?
Nothing.
What's the reason in the article they don't want parents watching?
They claim private info of other students could be leaked.its a bs excuse
That excuse doesnt even make sense Leak what and to who? Their own parents? Like the kids wouldnt be able to do it themselves if they really wanted. And let's be honest the kids are more likely to use that information. The parents only care about their own kid
What a load of shit that reasoning is
If the info is private, even sharing it with other students is illegal.
LMAO - hope the parents realize the insanity going on here.
I'm so glad I'm not a teacher anymore. The profession has become shameful.
Haha go fuck your self. I’m constantly watching in on my kids. Plus my kids wear there MAGA shirts too on stream. Fuck all those haters. My boys are growing up to be men.
EXCUSE ME??
You can keep your eye on your f'ing dog at doggie day care, but your children are off limits? Anyone saying this shit needs to get a visit from people with badges who don't smile.
That's some commie bullshit right there
If they did this to me I’d say “Hand me the paper and a pen. I tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to wad up this paper and shove it right up your ass along with the pen! If you have something to hide then you are not allowed to be alone with my kid!”
And that would be the precise moment in which I yanked my kids out of their indoctrination camp.
New legislation needs to be introduced that allows any student of a publicly funded school to record their teachers either via cellphone, tape recorder, or computer program. We need to start hitting back at these Maoist teachers or our children will be taught critical race theory, the ahistorical 1619 project, or that Communism will definitely work this time.
When universities were about learning real things you were encouraged to record your classes because it would greatly help with studying and retaining info.
The angle of learning retention and studying would be the way to go with this. It's "all about kids" right?
You're not there to learn. You're there to get a degree. Universities and schools all know that they could be 100% replaced by volunteers making youtube videos and exercise books that have entered the public domain already. This is why you're not allowed to record on campuses anymore. It's to protect Intellectual Property.
I could agree with parents not commenting during a lesson. Many people live in homes where it would be hard to not be in the same room as your child. Say family of 4 has a 2-bedroom apartment. If little sibling is napping, and mom or dad is in their bedroom on a work call then school aged kid is in the living area online.
Sounds classist to me. Sue.
Black people are more likely to be poor, so that means the policy is literally racist too!
What... the... fuck.... "you must agree not to know what your children are being taught?" This cannot be real.
Record all your kids online classes. Lets expose what these teachers are indoctrinating our kids with.
Look man, if someone wants to do anything with your kids and you not know about it - it's bad - obviously.
Nobody forces me to do Jack shit
Record every single session. Even if you do sign.
How is this legal? These are OUR children and we have a duty and obligation to monitor what is being taught to them.
It's not legal.
It is. You're not allowed in public schools as a parent. You can't ask to audit classes. You can't even legally request the educational materials used. This is much much worse than you think. People were just okay with this up until now because they took zero interest in their children's education.
Hahaha fucking recording that shit. My tax dollars pay for it, I get to watch it.
Oh don't worry, they'll paint you as some kind of child peeper and pervert.
Streisand effect in 3....2....
Insane! My wife's a teacher and is constantly trying to find ways to get parents involved and supportive of their kid's on line education. Grade school level, but it's all impossible if the parents aren't backing it.
Okay, so I don't know if the US already has something similar to this, but if not then now is the perfect time for Papa T to organize a massive home schooling database. He has the power and he has access to some of the best educated people in the world, why not just set up entire years worth of education for home schooling with video lectures etc that are free for basic education and openly available and give parents the option of saying to hell with the indoctrination centers. Screw harvard or yale or every other lefty shit hole, you want a qualification in for example accounting, dl this pack, watch these lectures if you need help, answer these questions, show up once or twice a year for an exam and you are good to go. If its a trade then require them to get apprenticeships as well and do X number of hours. Govt certification. No BLM or gender study bullshit classes required. And since its mostly online, the stuff that did cost would still be dirt cheap.
That just sounds like an online degree, not homeschooling.
What are they hiding? We pay them!!
Homeschool! My kids belong to a based co-op that is already back to physical classrooms, and parents are encouraged to drop in and see what their kids are learning.
I love our co-op, but ours is the only one in the area that DIDN'T go back. I'm still fuming over it.
My family didn't join a co-op until maybe later in middle school
It wasn't too bad not joining until then but I'd say join sooner rather than later if you're going to join one
Might help build longer friendships
Most of my friends are from church though so I didn't really ever lack friends
Fuck that.
Record every session. It's homework, right?
Tell the county officials to go fuck themselves and monitor the kids anyways.
Unless the county is paying for the internet, the room, the laptop, the desktop and the electricity, the parents have every right to monitor what their kid is being taught in their house.
Don't like that?? Then open the schools, cos parents are paying for that shit too.
If I dont see the parents in this county going to the fuckwits that decided on this and beat the shit out of them publicly, I'm going to be disappointed.
Any parent or citizen should be allowed to monitor any class.
This is a public school paid for with tax dollars teaching children.
Yeah I wouldn't sign that shit. They can fuck off on a pogo stick
Sincerely signed,
Go Fuck Yourself Sr.
RED F'ING FLAG
Hell no