"A woman could have one foot into the door of an abortion clinic, and someone wrecks their car and hits her. She survives, but the baby doesn't. The driver would get a charge for manslaughter at the very least"
A life shouldn't be extinguished simply because it's inconvenient or simply not wanted. That's literally murder.
I midget could roundhouse kick a pregnant mother's belly, and that's murder. The same mother can have someone insert scissors into her to dismember growing baby and vacuum it out of her, and it's pro choice. Can't explain that.
The left's counter argument will be "her body, her choice". They are absolutely convinced that mothers should be allowed to kill their own offspring as long as it's still inside her body.
So, 'her body, her choice', but then if the father wants to keep it, tough shit, he's got no say in the matter, but then if the mother wants to keep it, dad better prepare for a lifetime of having his wages garnished for child support (unless he's black, in which case he's scot free and mom will just soak the taxpayers for WIC, SNAP, welfare, free school lunches and now also breakfasts, etc. etc. etc.). Yep. seems reasonable.
it really is often the other way around. Women rarely choose to get abortions, its the father and families who do the choosing for them. If abortions were not legal, they would not be able to pressure mothers into them. In the rare case that the woman has sufficient agency to get an abortion, yes, if the father says no she can say "well it's my choice and my body" etc. But it's mostly irrelevant and conceals the fact that abortions are not about a woman's choice, but about getting rid of inconvenient children.
Sometimes the couple agrees to have an abortion if the woman gets pregnant, but then once she is pregnant she changes her mind (he or his or her family doesn't, though.)
The fact of the matter is that abortions are mostly legal and most people are opportunistic and practical. This is why abortion must be illegal.
I have a lot of problems really coming to any firm conviction on abortion, at least early abortion. It's funny because it's not because of knowing how much I really don't know. All the philosophy, morality, biology, etc is one thing.
The problem I have is when I'm standing in front of one of these feminist maniacs if I were their mother and I knew how they turned out I would surely want to abort. I find it difficult to reconcile with that.
babies are innocent. that feminist maniac is a result of a bad upbringing and a corrupt culture
if you knew, ahead of time, that your baby was going to grow up to be a deranged leftist, there are a number of solutions and abortion isnt really one of then.
There's a spiritual and moral debate but in principle as I see it if you reached the point of needing an abortion then that's a fuck up.
When I got to buy a phone they try to make me buy insurance for if I accidentally drop it. I usually don't bother but if I did it wouldn't be an excuse to be reckless.
If I drop it then I still fucked up even if there's insurance. People today don't think like that.
They are paying not for the psychological comfort of what might happen if they are careful but the worst happens. They're paying for the psychological comfort of being careless.
I wouldn't trust such people with anything. When talking to them their arguments for abortion show they're not psychologically equipped to confront that kind of situation. It's all just based on mantras and the feelgoods of you can do anything you want because it's your body.
Another argument applies. It's my brain, I can use it how I like, including not at all. Liberals today are so self privileged they feel the burden of responsibility is beneath them.
People have the conviction that "life is sacred" but life...the biological definition of life...is not. Unchecked growth for the sake of growth is cancer, by definition in an individual, and we see populations explode until resource scarcity hits and then they plunge back down. That kind of life is not all that great.
There are thousands of people hooked up to ventilators and other machines in hospitals right now that are "alive" yet these people have no chance for recovery. They are being kept alive for their family's sake so that they can have closure seeing them one last time, or to keep them alive to later harvest their organs for transplant. And when those organs do get transplanted, we never put them into old decrepit bodies that have no chance of leaving a hospital or being healthy again. We put them into people that have a chance to experience the world and make use of it.
Life is beautiful and precious. But it's the kind of life that can feel, can think, can sing and dance, play and experience. Simply existing is not the life we hold sacred, but the two get mixed up all the time. So while it can be sad for a potential life to never happen (as in the case of an abortion), it's not as sad as an actual life ending prematurely (like the NC boy who was shot by his neighbor).
I'll put a challenge to any pro-lifer out there, that if they had to choose between me dumping a zygote from a test tube into a trash can, or smashing a 5 year old boy's head in with a hammer (you have to pick one in this hypothetical or I'll just do both cause I'm crazy(!))...I know which one they are going to rather me "kill". It is not the same. Nowhere close. Destroying a life that cannot feel, think, experience, has no memory...just because it's "alive" doesn't make it equal to a living, breathing, conscious being with actual thoughts and autonomy.
It is a difficult problem because there is no clear delineation. Because of this, I don't support late term abortions or even midterm, but early term I do. When it is literally "a clump of cells" it is just not important to me. I don't value it the way I do a born person and I see nothing wrong with it.
What/if a fetus feels things is knowledge that is impossible to have.
A quora post is about the worst source you can bring. Its just a random persons opinion.
And you are clearly being deceptive, as how old does the fetus have to be? Please answer in detail. Does a 7 week old fetus have feelings? And if not, do you now agree with me? Somehow, I don't think you would.
I don't know if you missed it, but I said I was against late term abortions. So are you really trying to claim embryos can feel?
I’d kill you because you clearly have no respect for the transcendent sanctity of life that our society is based on. What a half-assed argument to base your view of human worth on. Seriously in what anarcho-communist phase of your life did you concoct that addle-brained worldview? The moment you dehumanize you lose everything. Everything. Gas chambers are the end game. Seriously cauterize the edgy teen from your personality and re-approach the argument from square one.
You are either extremely bad at defending your principles, incapable of discourse or a troll. I’m leaning the latter. If you can’t see that you are using classic fallacies to support your truth you are an idiot. You went train track/joker fallacy into straw man.
You leveled a retarded “challenge”. Inserted your crazy behind into it. You credibly (or else the argument doesn’t work) threatened to kill one or more people in a crazed state. And asked how I a pro-lifer would respond. The answer is snuff you or anyone else that would do that right out. Amazing that you can can justify killing what we can at least agree is a potential for life but me taking yours in order to save lives is considered “dehumanizing”. How can you possibly make those to things add up in your wise secular mind. Nice jump to assuming that my disagreement with you over this is indicative of my disagreements with literally anyone else in my life. If you want bedrock principle to lay your preference for killing humans on pick a better one or deal with being called an imbecile.
You are either extremely bad at defending your principles, incapable of discourse or a troll. I’m leaning the latter.
Considering 12 people upvoted me in a place like this is a win, in my opinion. It seems some people were able to not jump to conclusions are understand what I was saying. I expected downvotes and disagreement (I didn't expect a positive ratio) but I chose to post my thoughts anyways, but I did not expect as much positive response.
If you can’t see that you are using classic fallacies to support your truth you are an idiot. You went train track/joker fallacy into straw man.
I also explained how I think the definition of "life" is not important as most people think, that there are certain properties contained within life that are actually what's important. Now I may be wrong about what others think but I do think that way myself. I tried to show that with an example in addition to other arguments. Your response has shown me you don't understand what I'm saying, and that's fine. Hell even if you did, you'd still have the right to disagree. But apparently my thoughts are so wrong you think killing me is okay.
You credibly (or else the argument doesn’t work) threatened to kill
If you cannot entertain a hypothetical, this level of discussion is impossible. I could have just as easily replace myself (as crazy!) with a fictional, hypothetical crazy person. In no universe would I ever threaten a 5 year old boy, and my whole argument lays out why I think it's wrong. The fact that you think I am "credibly threatening" a hypothetical person shows me you don't have any understanding of what is being said.
I guess I’m dumbfounded you can’t run you own hypothetical properly. Why you inserted yourself into this hypothetical I’ll never know. I imagine it’s your own callousness towards life that makes you fantasize so. However that’s irrelevant. You made it personal not me. If you had said person A creates a strange life or death scenario and asks person B to be involved then what should person B do, then I would have said person B has an obligation to use “up to lethal force” (and should prefer that option if a victim is in imminent credible danger) against person A to keep them from committing that violence.
How you jumped from that to me coming through the keyboard o kill you is a leap I won’t understand. It is evidence you cannot develop your own logical arguments properly. Why do you care that you have anecdotal support when you tell another commenter that their sources are invalid because they use that very same thing? It has no bearing on if what you are saying is truth or not.
That has more to do with immediate perceptions of life. If you were tasked with saving either a plate of fertilized zygotes or a box of crickets, most people would save the zygotes.
A born human "appears" more alive than an unborn one, but that doesn't make an unborn child not alive and human in the same sense as a born one. I imagine you agree with this because you likely have some issues with killing an unborn child that is one day away from being born.
I just want to be clear: A baby is already a life worth preserving.
To me a zygote, an embryo, and early development fetuses are not.
You are under the assumption that there is a specific point. But that point does not exist. That's why I err on the side of caution and am against late term abortions.
But there is a large difference between a 38 week fetus and a 7 week one. It is dishonest to equate the two.
That's just my point. There is no line. It's all just perception in the mind. People have a much easier time stealing from someone who is not physically present versus someone who is; this does not mean that it is a lesser crime than stealing from someone who is present! Same for someone they don't know vs. someone they do, etc.
Similarly, a developing zygote may not resemble a human as much as one that is about to be born, but that makes it no less a human life. If you can't delineate a point, then you agree that it is always the same - a human life with the same right to life as developed humans.
More importantly, why are conservatives pushing for prolife so hard even in Dem majority areas?
Let their population reduce, I know you're trying to take the high road with every life is precious and equal, but after seeing what brainwashed people are capable of, there might actually be less suffering if you nip it in the bud.
I'm not sticking up for abortion, if that's what you're getting at. My point is that conservatives were losing the 'optics' of the abortion debate when the leftists were making actual arguments for early abortions- in rape cases etc- making the lie that we're misogynists who don't care about female autonomy.
When they kept pushing the envelope- abort if you feel like it, abort if you change your mind mid pregnancy, it all got pushed through easily since the conservatives were the 'misogynists that hate womens' rights'.
Now that we're finally at the point of full term abortions, even some leftists are wondering about the morality of it- we could have reached this point even earlier if the conservative side hadn't pushed back early, probably leading to a quicker resolution of this whole business, probably saving more lives. Leftists were always going to get abortions and nothing conservatives said would have changed it. Letting them slide down the slippery slope unchecked until even they go "WTF" might have been the better call.
You murder the future when you do that. That's why. One mother from a shitty place can give birth to the next great genius of our time who revolutionises the world for the better.
You're gambling on the off chance that you get something good out of allowing people who don't want children(really not the best parents) while it's more likely that it's going to lead to more broken families, single parents, and childhood trauma, with the obligatory welfare to support them, leading to the next generation of the same stuff. And who do they vote for?
It's arrogant, short sighted, and inhumane to presume you know enough to kill the future for one innocent life.
Look at it this way: let's say 99.99% of children who get in Hollywood are sexually molested. The 00.01% of them become great stars and bring joy to the world. Would you keep sending kids there?
Maybe I'm completely off on the numbers regarding whether people who were forced to have a baby are good parents, I'd love to see some sources.
That's what people don't understand. And we ceded this battle for too long. That's how we have full-term abortion and even the idea of post-birth abortion.
I'm not very old, but I'm old enough to remember when the argument for abortion was for early-term based on the formation of the fetus and the (I believe erroneous) belief that it wasn't yet a person until X time. That's all out the window now. It's contempt for innocence, contempt for children, contempt for humankind. It's sick and evil.
That's what people don't understand. And we ceded this battle for too long. That's how we have full-term abortion and even the idea of post-birth abortion.
No, the vehement opposition for the acceptable cases of abortion(rape being one of them) made people think that conservatives are misogynistic women haters who get off on controlling women. This lead to every next step on the slippery slope being an autowin for the dems since hurr durr conservative bad. Now that they're at full term/post birth abortions, maybe the normies will wake up and say "WTF".
They would have reached that point regardless of how much opposition you put up, but maybe if they reached it faster, more lives could have been saved.
When you're trying to save the children of people who are trying(and succeeding) in destroying your world with their moronic views, leading to your side being demonised for 'misogyny' and 'anti-women' stances, I really don't see the value in that.
No one is forced to raise their unwanted child. Adoption and foster homes exist. It’s not the best thing a parent can do, but it sure is better than being murdered by your parents.
Don’t think that it’s always kids of left that become so staunch. It’s very very often kids of very conservative people and they’re either rebelling or indoctrinated at school. School is the problem not left breeding. Welfare breeding is a problem and I’d be in favour of forced birth control for serial welfare cases. However not abortions. Abortions just let people get pregnant thirty times. It’s not a proper solution. It’s a very grotesque and inhumane answer to the problem and really we can do better.
Agree completely, birth control should be the most important step. However when you pay welfare based on the number of kids you have, that kinda goes out the window.
This isn't true actually. Criminal defense attorney here.
There is a specific crime for battering a woman and causing the pregnancy to terminate. The victim in this case is the mother. The death of the fetus is an element of the crime but the fetus isn't the victim.
I handled (and won) a case dealing with alleged harm to a fetus/newborn many years back and the case law treats fetuses as non-persons for the purposes of victimhood. It's been black letter law for like 30 years at this point. Back during the crack epidemic of the late 80s/early 90s, prosecutors tried to prosecute crackheads for child abuse when they gave birth to crack babies. This got shut down by the courts because fetuses aren't children/people yet so you can't abuse one.
Yeah it wasn't intended to be a comprehensive survey of every jurisdiction, mainly because I can't be bothered. If you can find an example to the contrary, please let us know.
I know in blackstone's commentaries, aborting a quickened fetus was considered manslaughter, but that is 200+ year old common law. I don't think any US jurisdictions currently deal with the situation that way (causing a miscarraige = murder of fetus).
Imagine some white knight neckbeard fag who doesn't have any family or friends with families that have experienced this. Shocker. We have bricks in the patio at church for miscarriages if the family wants it.
At hospitals they often include little markers on the patient's door to indicate a certain issue and have staff be aware of what not to discuss or how to best anticipate the mood in there before walking in. Little things like a sunflower magnet on the bottom right of the frame may mean there's a serious surgery coming up or a moon at the top left may mean the patient recently passed away and the family is grieving. There is absolutely one for a family that experienced a miscarriage and you'd be a fucking fool to think they would be in a "Oh well, you win some you lose some" mood when walking in to consult them.
It really is this. Leftists talk a great game about caring about other people, but the reality is their entire world revolves around them. If it didn't happen to them or they can't use it to make people pay attention to them, it didn't happen.
But the glowing talk box is to be unquestioned in regards to the lethality of the super sniffles even if you only know one person who maybe had it and was “sick” for a week and you haven’t left the house in 5 months in which time you’ve spent your time getting fat and bitching on Facebook.
They have funerals too. My mom is big into our ancestry, and when visiting cemeteries, there's always a tiny grave for any miscarried babies in our family lineage.
It's amazing how ignorant people are (the Redditor), and how they think fake internet points make them and their bad opinions right
I've been through a miscarriage with my ex. I made the mistake of mentioning this on reddit. Someone sent me a message the same day with a username "your_baby_is_dead" (or something very similar) telling me how it was my fault my baby died and I should kill myself.
Reddit is the worst "place" on earth.
spez: That was a rough time, but I am happily married now, and I trust God's will for my life, and for the life of Blueberry (we hadn't picked a name yet, but called him or her blueberry because that's how big the baby was).
I used to babysit for a couple who had a late stage miscarriage. They named the child, and buried it in a family plot. Anytime they would do something with the kids' names, they would always add the fourth child, too. At 17 it was "okay, weird, but okay", now I'm impressed.
This is really weird, I just got hit in the feels thinking about my wife's miscarriage early in our relationship. It was only a few weeks in and I wasn't ready for kids yet so I was relieved even though she was devastated. Thinking back, and now 2 beautiful kids later, it makes me sad.
I’ve never had an abortion. I have only been pregnant once and had my child. Even growing up liberal, I was always against abortion. I never felt it was right.
My friend almost died from her abortion so I know for a fact they are not safe. There’s too many complications from abortions. I try to tell dumb bitches this when they try to push the “baby can kill the mother” argument. The mother is more likely to have complications during or after an abortion than from pregnancy/delivery.
There are mothers who DIE so their baby can live. Let that sink in you selfish bitches.
We have our daughters ashes and mourn her every birthday. She was young enough that she could have been aborted. I suppose if she were to pass before you knew the gender... Maybe it wouldn't be as difficult. I guess everyone is different. But Liberals are just evil. I support women's right to a limit, but figure it out and get it taken care of before it becomes murder.
I do personally feel that it is murder at any time, so I would never promote abortion. But if as a nation we are allowing it, I personally feel 16 weeks is more than enough time to follow through. Anything else to me is inhumane.
My brother and his wife lost their first two babies to miscarriage at around 8 weeks each. Both babies have names, both babies had a little memorial service at church.
This crosses cultures as well and isn't just "evil" Christianity. Jizo statues are cute little statues with red caps that you'll find all over Japan.
There's one for each miscarried child. There's tons of them, all over the countryside and filling up local temples. Pretty saddening when you realize these things that are all over the place are memorials to unborn children.
What retard didn't know that memorial services and heartfelt condolences are often given to families that had a miscarriage? On top of that, I've never once heard of the alternative occurring, where it was just shrugged off as a "you'll get 'em next time thing" and then everyone goes about their merry day - people always react with incredible sympathy when told a miscarriage occurred.
And that gold medal winning retarded analysis that couldn't have been more incorrect got nearly 50,000 upvotes and gilded. Man, Reddit has really nosedived from its early days.
I had a nephew pass at 7 months. Trisomy 18. If you don’t know what it is, consider yourself blessed. Had a full funeral, I was a pallbearer. The coffin was so small. Life is life! Abortion is murder! I visit the grave occasionally, when I do, it’s obvious that my sister visits regularly. I had a liberal friend accuse me of being a one issue voter because of the abortion issue. I told him that if Democrats were perfect in every other way aside from abortion, I still wouldn’t vote for them. I guess I am a one issue voter when it comes to abortion. I will never check a D box, as long as the promote abortion the way they do.
This reminds me of the gross person Ethan from H3H3 Podcast where he says "they think they're actually killing a baby" when talking about abortion and people who are against abortions.
I was like, no shit. You are killing a fucking baby! How can say those words and not realize what you said?!
The left is so delusional that they don't realize what they're saying.
Louis CK has a bit about how it is totally killing a baby. I think it was actually a brilliant way to walk his ultra liberal audience through their own thinking. He got them to cheer on the support of murdering babies and then used humor to get them to all realize how fucked up they are: https://youtu.be/U_h-G4uOzqc
I don't know her views on abortion, and don't care to pry to see if she memorializes her at all, but I still remember my mother telling the story of my stillborn older sister one day, and how heartbroken she was about it and how callous the attending doctor was in her treatment of her.
It was and remains an absolutely terrible moment for her life that she still recalls with clarity. I count myself lucky she didn't "give up" and went on to have me, but yeah, fuck anybody saying those who miscarry just shrug their shoulders and get on with life.
My grandparents carried their first baby to full term but it died during birth because the doctor refused to come in because it was a few days before Christmas. This was the early 1950’s and apparently they couldn’t get any type of settlement out of it.
Remember Rick Santorum? Remember when in 1996 his premature child two hours after delivery? He and his wife brought the child home and there were pictures taken and the family was allowed to grieve.
Years later when he was running for president the press picked up on it and the liberals openly mocked him. Alan Colmes (a real piece of shit) said Santorum was "playing with a dead baby."
My wife had three miscarriages and one fetal demise at 24 weeks. We never named the miscarriage babies, but we did mourn. The fetal demise was our son Dexter. He had Down Syndrome. When we found out he had passed, we had to go to the hospital and induce labor. The whole thing was handled just like a regular birth, except he wasn't alive and we all knew that. The whole experience was gut wrenching, torturous, and surreal. We buried him and held services for him.
It's been several years now and we have since had a beautiful, perfect, brilliant little baby 'pede, but we still think about Dexter and mention him fondly at family gatherings. We all wish we could have met the little guy. Hopefully we will someday.
The person writing that Reddit post is probably just young and clueless. He/She/Shim probably hasn't lived long enough or experienced enough to understand or even know anyone who has been through a baby passing away. I'd get mad about it, but it would hardly be fair, considering I said and did some seriously stupid ass things when I was a youngster.
I have never in my life heard the reaction of "better luck next time" to someone saying they had a miscarriage. We have a close friend who miscarried late term and they did a memorial, got a clay handprint, and a number of other things. People take miscarriages very hard because they are very real children.
I have an ultra liberal friend with fertility issues. She’s got two kids now, but I can’t tell you the amount of times I had to comfort her after she found out that she had a chemical miscarriage (super early miscarriage that can be hard to detect).
The OP in this pic is probably some 14 year old who thinks Bill Nye is an expert on ethics and morals because he wears a lab coat. They have never seen someone who just miscarried share their emotions about it.
Kids die all the time, but there's a distinct difference between a natural death and intentional homicide. Equating miscarriage to abortion is like saying "old people die of coronavirus, so why can't we smother them with pillows?"
I remember an article written by a feminist, who wanted a child and miscarried. She needed and sought emotional support from her friends and colleagues, but modern feminism was completely unequipped to express sympathy over it. It was a serious red pill for the author.
The very bottom comment, about having a tattoo for "one of them" sounds to me like she had two miscarriages: one was a planned pregnancy and she got a tattoo for it, and the other was NOT planned (rape?), and therefore did not get a memoriam tattoo...
It could be that one (or more) was early term, and didn't get a memorial tattoo, while another was late term and did. I know some women with fertility issues who had several early miscarriages. The sorrow of it meant that they resisted getting excited or attached, picking out names, having baby showers, sending out announcements, and all that jazz, until they were absolutely 100% certain that it was safe to get their hopes up again.
Do whatever you want as long as noone gets hurt. Pretty sure being injected with poison, having your skull crushed in, and being sucked through a vaccuum would hurt quite a bit.
All this tells me is the person who posted this is the one who tells women who have a miscarriage “get over it” and he thinks the rest of the world can’t possibly be better than him; so everyone must do this too or worse. Classic narcissism.
My wife and I each got tattoos for our son. I got his footprints on the inside of my arm. My oldest nephew made a lovely chest for us to keep his ashes and a few other things. I can't go into the room that was going to be his. I cry about him even three and a half years later.
I'm so thankful for my daughter, I just wish her little brother was here too.
Leftists' entire world view is based on the the idea is that the whole country is as shallow and lacking in compassion as all the other leftists around them.
Man, my mom had a miscarriage when I was old enough to remember that incomplete pregnancy, eventually she had another pregnancy. Anyways fast forward 16 years and I had a dream where I saw this person probably around 16 who looked like family and I do believe in that dream I imagined what my sister would have been and looked like, my mom thinks her miscarriage would've been a girl. It's not something I think about since after the miscarriage she gave birth to my brother and my mom tied her tubes thereafter and I couldn't imagine a world without my brother in it.
But still sometimes I wonder what it could've been and it makes me sad thinking about it.
My grandma had a sister that tied from severe birth defects at two days old. She had a grave and a head stone right next to her parents. Not exactly a miss carriage, but still in the same vein
I always quote Dr. Ron Paul in these situations.
"A woman could have one foot into the door of an abortion clinic, and someone wrecks their car and hits her. She survives, but the baby doesn't. The driver would get a charge for manslaughter at the very least"
A life shouldn't be extinguished simply because it's inconvenient or simply not wanted. That's literally murder.
I midget could roundhouse kick a pregnant mother's belly, and that's murder. The same mother can have someone insert scissors into her to dismember growing baby and vacuum it out of her, and it's pro choice. Can't explain that.
What if the midget is the abortion doctor and he has scissors in his hands?
Govornor Northam recommends having the baby first, making it and the mother comfortable.
Then he'll call the midget a couple of days later to kill the baby.
Northam probably
Edward, is that you?
What if the midget is named Ditka?
The left's counter argument will be "her body, her choice". They are absolutely convinced that mothers should be allowed to kill their own offspring as long as it's still inside her body.
So, 'her body, her choice', but then if the father wants to keep it, tough shit, he's got no say in the matter, but then if the mother wants to keep it, dad better prepare for a lifetime of having his wages garnished for child support (unless he's black, in which case he's scot free and mom will just soak the taxpayers for WIC, SNAP, welfare, free school lunches and now also breakfasts, etc. etc. etc.). Yep. seems reasonable.
This.
it really is often the other way around. Women rarely choose to get abortions, its the father and families who do the choosing for them. If abortions were not legal, they would not be able to pressure mothers into them. In the rare case that the woman has sufficient agency to get an abortion, yes, if the father says no she can say "well it's my choice and my body" etc. But it's mostly irrelevant and conceals the fact that abortions are not about a woman's choice, but about getting rid of inconvenient children.
Sometimes the couple agrees to have an abortion if the woman gets pregnant, but then once she is pregnant she changes her mind (he or his or her family doesn't, though.)
The fact of the matter is that abortions are mostly legal and most people are opportunistic and practical. This is why abortion must be illegal.
If time machines are ever invented, someone should convince the parents of everyone in planned parenthood to abort them to save other babies.
Would love watching their heads explode from that.
And if the woman changes her mind later, is the doctor now a rapist and a murderer?
I have a lot of problems really coming to any firm conviction on abortion, at least early abortion. It's funny because it's not because of knowing how much I really don't know. All the philosophy, morality, biology, etc is one thing.
The problem I have is when I'm standing in front of one of these feminist maniacs if I were their mother and I knew how they turned out I would surely want to abort. I find it difficult to reconcile with that.
We need some serious late term abortion here lol
Governor *Northam: "and then after the baby is delivered, a discussion would ensure..." For up to 2 weeks after birth.
It's on youtube. Post-birth abortions. That's Virgina governor KKK blackface.
Northum=Va
Governor Blackface
Newsom =Ca
Governor Fuckface
Mills=Maine
Governor Cuntface
I get their names confused all the time. Not much of a difference in terms of policy.
90% of Belgian healthcare professionals (51% of whom are physicians) support killing new born children.
20% of those 90% supported killing totally healthy babies based on maternal psychological problems
13% of those 90% supported killing totally healthy babies based on maternal socio‐economic problems
Doctor: Can you afford to raise this kid?
Mother: Not really
Doctor: OK, we can kill it for you if you want.
https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/aogs.13967
Why even stop after 2 weeks? That's just an arbitrary number. If you can make the case for 2 weeks, you can make the case for 3, or 7, or 12...
Just call it a "late post-term abortion" and go for years, why not?
Dems will find a way if we don't stop them.
The new Cultural Revolution will call deaths in the name of Communism, "abortions."
"Wrongthinkers" will be "aborted."
Absolutely right. Why can't I just fucking murder my 21 year old son and say its an abortion? Fucking bullshit if you ask me.
Disgusting
That's different. Those are post-birth abortions.
That’s what post birth abortions are for (see Virginia).
In all seriousness, the issue is how these idiots were raised. All babies are born un-indoctrinated and full of potential.
They're parents where it seems like either way no matter what they do it results in a waste of life.
babies are innocent. that feminist maniac is a result of a bad upbringing and a corrupt culture
if you knew, ahead of time, that your baby was going to grow up to be a deranged leftist, there are a number of solutions and abortion isnt really one of then.
There's a spiritual and moral debate but in principle as I see it if you reached the point of needing an abortion then that's a fuck up.
When I got to buy a phone they try to make me buy insurance for if I accidentally drop it. I usually don't bother but if I did it wouldn't be an excuse to be reckless.
If I drop it then I still fucked up even if there's insurance. People today don't think like that.
They are paying not for the psychological comfort of what might happen if they are careful but the worst happens. They're paying for the psychological comfort of being careless.
I wouldn't trust such people with anything. When talking to them their arguments for abortion show they're not psychologically equipped to confront that kind of situation. It's all just based on mantras and the feelgoods of you can do anything you want because it's your body.
Another argument applies. It's my brain, I can use it how I like, including not at all. Liberals today are so self privileged they feel the burden of responsibility is beneath them.
People have the conviction that "life is sacred" but life...the biological definition of life...is not. Unchecked growth for the sake of growth is cancer, by definition in an individual, and we see populations explode until resource scarcity hits and then they plunge back down. That kind of life is not all that great.
There are thousands of people hooked up to ventilators and other machines in hospitals right now that are "alive" yet these people have no chance for recovery. They are being kept alive for their family's sake so that they can have closure seeing them one last time, or to keep them alive to later harvest their organs for transplant. And when those organs do get transplanted, we never put them into old decrepit bodies that have no chance of leaving a hospital or being healthy again. We put them into people that have a chance to experience the world and make use of it.
Life is beautiful and precious. But it's the kind of life that can feel, can think, can sing and dance, play and experience. Simply existing is not the life we hold sacred, but the two get mixed up all the time. So while it can be sad for a potential life to never happen (as in the case of an abortion), it's not as sad as an actual life ending prematurely (like the NC boy who was shot by his neighbor).
I'll put a challenge to any pro-lifer out there, that if they had to choose between me dumping a zygote from a test tube into a trash can, or smashing a 5 year old boy's head in with a hammer (you have to pick one in this hypothetical or I'll just do both cause I'm crazy(!))...I know which one they are going to rather me "kill". It is not the same. Nowhere close. Destroying a life that cannot feel, think, experience, has no memory...just because it's "alive" doesn't make it equal to a living, breathing, conscious being with actual thoughts and autonomy.
It is a difficult problem because there is no clear delineation. Because of this, I don't support late term abortions or even midterm, but early term I do. When it is literally "a clump of cells" it is just not important to me. I don't value it the way I do a born person and I see nothing wrong with it.
The fetus has emotions and can feel what the mother is feeling. https://www.quora.com/What-emotions-can-a-baby-feel-when-inside-the-womb?share=1
What/if a fetus feels things is knowledge that is impossible to have.
A quora post is about the worst source you can bring. Its just a random persons opinion.
And you are clearly being deceptive, as how old does the fetus have to be? Please answer in detail. Does a 7 week old fetus have feelings? And if not, do you now agree with me? Somehow, I don't think you would.
I don't know if you missed it, but I said I was against late term abortions. So are you really trying to claim embryos can feel?
Maybe you should research it yourself. https://www.lifenews.com/2020/01/20/scientist-confirms-unborn-children-feel-pain-during-abortions-as-early-as-12-weeks/
https://www.boldsky.com/pregnancy-parenting/prenatal/2018/what-are-the-emotions-that-your-baby-can-feel-in-the-womb-124341.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/199809/fetal-psychology
https://www.romper.com/p/can-babies-feel-your-emotions-in-the-womb-they-experieince-more-than-you-think-25741
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111110142352.htm
https://www.hellomotherhood.com/the-emotional-development-of-the-baby-in-the-womb-12212638.html
So before 12 weeks is fine then?
I’d kill you because you clearly have no respect for the transcendent sanctity of life that our society is based on. What a half-assed argument to base your view of human worth on. Seriously in what anarcho-communist phase of your life did you concoct that addle-brained worldview? The moment you dehumanize you lose everything. Everything. Gas chambers are the end game. Seriously cauterize the edgy teen from your personality and re-approach the argument from square one.
It sounds like you have no problems dehumanizing anyone that disagrees with you.
Pot, meet kettle.
You are either extremely bad at defending your principles, incapable of discourse or a troll. I’m leaning the latter. If you can’t see that you are using classic fallacies to support your truth you are an idiot. You went train track/joker fallacy into straw man.
You leveled a retarded “challenge”. Inserted your crazy behind into it. You credibly (or else the argument doesn’t work) threatened to kill one or more people in a crazed state. And asked how I a pro-lifer would respond. The answer is snuff you or anyone else that would do that right out. Amazing that you can can justify killing what we can at least agree is a potential for life but me taking yours in order to save lives is considered “dehumanizing”. How can you possibly make those to things add up in your wise secular mind. Nice jump to assuming that my disagreement with you over this is indicative of my disagreements with literally anyone else in my life. If you want bedrock principle to lay your preference for killing humans on pick a better one or deal with being called an imbecile.
Deport.
Considering 12 people upvoted me in a place like this is a win, in my opinion. It seems some people were able to not jump to conclusions are understand what I was saying. I expected downvotes and disagreement (I didn't expect a positive ratio) but I chose to post my thoughts anyways, but I did not expect as much positive response.
I also explained how I think the definition of "life" is not important as most people think, that there are certain properties contained within life that are actually what's important. Now I may be wrong about what others think but I do think that way myself. I tried to show that with an example in addition to other arguments. Your response has shown me you don't understand what I'm saying, and that's fine. Hell even if you did, you'd still have the right to disagree. But apparently my thoughts are so wrong you think killing me is okay.
If you cannot entertain a hypothetical, this level of discussion is impossible. I could have just as easily replace myself (as crazy!) with a fictional, hypothetical crazy person. In no universe would I ever threaten a 5 year old boy, and my whole argument lays out why I think it's wrong. The fact that you think I am "credibly threatening" a hypothetical person shows me you don't have any understanding of what is being said.
I guess I’m dumbfounded you can’t run you own hypothetical properly. Why you inserted yourself into this hypothetical I’ll never know. I imagine it’s your own callousness towards life that makes you fantasize so. However that’s irrelevant. You made it personal not me. If you had said person A creates a strange life or death scenario and asks person B to be involved then what should person B do, then I would have said person B has an obligation to use “up to lethal force” (and should prefer that option if a victim is in imminent credible danger) against person A to keep them from committing that violence.
How you jumped from that to me coming through the keyboard o kill you is a leap I won’t understand. It is evidence you cannot develop your own logical arguments properly. Why do you care that you have anecdotal support when you tell another commenter that their sources are invalid because they use that very same thing? It has no bearing on if what you are saying is truth or not.
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That has more to do with immediate perceptions of life. If you were tasked with saving either a plate of fertilized zygotes or a box of crickets, most people would save the zygotes.
A born human "appears" more alive than an unborn one, but that doesn't make an unborn child not alive and human in the same sense as a born one. I imagine you agree with this because you likely have some issues with killing an unborn child that is one day away from being born.
I straight up said I dont agree with late term abortion. Did you miss that part?
That simply reinforces my point.
At what point does the baby go from "human life worth preserving because it has human experiences" to "just a clump of cells, no loss if it dies"?
I just want to be clear: A baby is already a life worth preserving.
To me a zygote, an embryo, and early development fetuses are not.
You are under the assumption that there is a specific point. But that point does not exist. That's why I err on the side of caution and am against late term abortions.
But there is a large difference between a 38 week fetus and a 7 week one. It is dishonest to equate the two.
That's just my point. There is no line. It's all just perception in the mind. People have a much easier time stealing from someone who is not physically present versus someone who is; this does not mean that it is a lesser crime than stealing from someone who is present! Same for someone they don't know vs. someone they do, etc.
Similarly, a developing zygote may not resemble a human as much as one that is about to be born, but that makes it no less a human life. If you can't delineate a point, then you agree that it is always the same - a human life with the same right to life as developed humans.
More importantly, why are conservatives pushing for prolife so hard even in Dem majority areas?
Let their population reduce, I know you're trying to take the high road with every life is precious and equal, but after seeing what brainwashed people are capable of, there might actually be less suffering if you nip it in the bud.
I'm not sticking up for abortion, if that's what you're getting at. My point is that conservatives were losing the 'optics' of the abortion debate when the leftists were making actual arguments for early abortions- in rape cases etc- making the lie that we're misogynists who don't care about female autonomy.
When they kept pushing the envelope- abort if you feel like it, abort if you change your mind mid pregnancy, it all got pushed through easily since the conservatives were the 'misogynists that hate womens' rights'.
Now that we're finally at the point of full term abortions, even some leftists are wondering about the morality of it- we could have reached this point even earlier if the conservative side hadn't pushed back early, probably leading to a quicker resolution of this whole business, probably saving more lives. Leftists were always going to get abortions and nothing conservatives said would have changed it. Letting them slide down the slippery slope unchecked until even they go "WTF" might have been the better call.
You're gambling on the off chance that you get something good out of allowing people who don't want children(really not the best parents) while it's more likely that it's going to lead to more broken families, single parents, and childhood trauma, with the obligatory welfare to support them, leading to the next generation of the same stuff. And who do they vote for?
Look at it this way: let's say 99.99% of children who get in Hollywood are sexually molested. The 00.01% of them become great stars and bring joy to the world. Would you keep sending kids there?
Maybe I'm completely off on the numbers regarding whether people who were forced to have a baby are good parents, I'd love to see some sources.
Because they actually believe that it is murder.
Shouldn't people be opposed to murder, no matter what?
That's what people don't understand. And we ceded this battle for too long. That's how we have full-term abortion and even the idea of post-birth abortion.
I'm not very old, but I'm old enough to remember when the argument for abortion was for early-term based on the formation of the fetus and the (I believe erroneous) belief that it wasn't yet a person until X time. That's all out the window now. It's contempt for innocence, contempt for children, contempt for humankind. It's sick and evil.
No, the vehement opposition for the acceptable cases of abortion(rape being one of them) made people think that conservatives are misogynistic women haters who get off on controlling women. This lead to every next step on the slippery slope being an autowin for the dems since hurr durr conservative bad. Now that they're at full term/post birth abortions, maybe the normies will wake up and say "WTF".
They would have reached that point regardless of how much opposition you put up, but maybe if they reached it faster, more lives could have been saved.
When you're trying to save the children of people who are trying(and succeeding) in destroying your world with their moronic views, leading to your side being demonised for 'misogyny' and 'anti-women' stances, I really don't see the value in that.
You do realize that Trump was born in a city right?
Was he an unwanted child who was forced upon his parents by the lack of abortion services?
I'd say he would have turned out way worse if his parents didn't want him and were forced to raise him.
No one is forced to raise their unwanted child. Adoption and foster homes exist. It’s not the best thing a parent can do, but it sure is better than being murdered by your parents.
Don’t think that it’s always kids of left that become so staunch. It’s very very often kids of very conservative people and they’re either rebelling or indoctrinated at school. School is the problem not left breeding. Welfare breeding is a problem and I’d be in favour of forced birth control for serial welfare cases. However not abortions. Abortions just let people get pregnant thirty times. It’s not a proper solution. It’s a very grotesque and inhumane answer to the problem and really we can do better.
Agree completely, birth control should be the most important step. However when you pay welfare based on the number of kids you have, that kinda goes out the window.
Regarding the schooling system 100% agree.
Wtf. That is some truly, truly horrible shit right there.
This isn't true actually. Criminal defense attorney here.
There is a specific crime for battering a woman and causing the pregnancy to terminate. The victim in this case is the mother. The death of the fetus is an element of the crime but the fetus isn't the victim.
I handled (and won) a case dealing with alleged harm to a fetus/newborn many years back and the case law treats fetuses as non-persons for the purposes of victimhood. It's been black letter law for like 30 years at this point. Back during the crack epidemic of the late 80s/early 90s, prosecutors tried to prosecute crackheads for child abuse when they gave birth to crack babies. This got shut down by the courts because fetuses aren't children/people yet so you can't abuse one.
Is that specific to your state? I imagine there has to be a state with different laws for that.
Yeah it wasn't intended to be a comprehensive survey of every jurisdiction, mainly because I can't be bothered. If you can find an example to the contrary, please let us know.
I know in blackstone's commentaries, aborting a quickened fetus was considered manslaughter, but that is 200+ year old common law. I don't think any US jurisdictions currently deal with the situation that way (causing a miscarraige = murder of fetus).
What if it was her abortion doctor that hit her rushing to make the appointment?
People have memorials for unborn all the time. Jesus, Reddit.
Imagine some white knight neckbeard fag who doesn't have any family or friends with families that have experienced this. Shocker. We have bricks in the patio at church for miscarriages if the family wants it.
At hospitals they often include little markers on the patient's door to indicate a certain issue and have staff be aware of what not to discuss or how to best anticipate the mood in there before walking in. Little things like a sunflower magnet on the bottom right of the frame may mean there's a serious surgery coming up or a moon at the top left may mean the patient recently passed away and the family is grieving. There is absolutely one for a family that experienced a miscarriage and you'd be a fucking fool to think they would be in a "Oh well, you win some you lose some" mood when walking in to consult them.
They think everyone is as heartless and cynical as they are
It really does explain their politics
It really is this. Leftists talk a great game about caring about other people, but the reality is their entire world revolves around them. If it didn't happen to them or they can't use it to make people pay attention to them, it didn't happen.
But the glowing talk box is to be unquestioned in regards to the lethality of the super sniffles even if you only know one person who maybe had it and was “sick” for a week and you haven’t left the house in 5 months in which time you’ve spent your time getting fat and bitching on Facebook.
I have never met a woman who WANTED a baby that had a miscarriage who wasn’t devastated by it.
I know people that had a totally unplanned pregnancy that mourned when they miscarried. It’s very common in older married women.
And by older, that means women in their early to mid 30s even. In 6 months I knew two women one was 34 the other just turned 30 that had miscarriages.
The younger one had two before they finally were able to give birth.
They have funerals too. My mom is big into our ancestry, and when visiting cemeteries, there's always a tiny grave for any miscarried babies in our family lineage.
It's amazing how ignorant people are (the Redditor), and how they think fake internet points make them and their bad opinions right
Killing an unborn child is why some people are committed to prison for life.
It takes great mental leaps to stand on the lefts side of this argument.
Went to a funeral for still born baby. Died at 38 fucking weeks. My friend and his wife were devestated and honor his memory evert day.
My child was born weeks earlier than that. That's a fully developed human that died.
Lefties think that whatever happens in the womb means it doesn't apply the way it would outside of it.
I like how sometimes Reddit forgets to shut out these moments and people really get to be human beings together regardless of distance or divide.
It’s like the internet could be a tool for good, if its secret spezzes ever get the rope in Minecraft.
I've been through a miscarriage with my ex. I made the mistake of mentioning this on reddit. Someone sent me a message the same day with a username "your_baby_is_dead" (or something very similar) telling me how it was my fault my baby died and I should kill myself.
Reddit is the worst "place" on earth.
spez: That was a rough time, but I am happily married now, and I trust God's will for my life, and for the life of Blueberry (we hadn't picked a name yet, but called him or her blueberry because that's how big the baby was).
spez2: Since it's relevant, we did have a burial.
Thats offensive to ranch
Hey at least he acknowledged that it was actually a baby.
I used to babysit for a couple who had a late stage miscarriage. They named the child, and buried it in a family plot. Anytime they would do something with the kids' names, they would always add the fourth child, too. At 17 it was "okay, weird, but okay", now I'm impressed.
For some reason, this story touched me.
This is really weird, I just got hit in the feels thinking about my wife's miscarriage early in our relationship. It was only a few weeks in and I wasn't ready for kids yet so I was relieved even though she was devastated. Thinking back, and now 2 beautiful kids later, it makes me sad.
When people talk about things they don't know...
For real, liberals love making up shit to fit their narrative. Who in their right mind would tell someone “whatever you’ll get them next time.”?
A cynical redditor with no friends or family who likes them, is who.
Yes, killing a helpless baby is wrong.
Yes, killing the baby hurts the mother too.
Yes, the death is something worthy of being mourned.
Someone on reddit thinks they're very smart but in fact doesn't know shit? Inconceivable.
Why do people try to justify this bullshit?
I’ve never had an abortion. I have only been pregnant once and had my child. Even growing up liberal, I was always against abortion. I never felt it was right.
My friend almost died from her abortion so I know for a fact they are not safe. There’s too many complications from abortions. I try to tell dumb bitches this when they try to push the “baby can kill the mother” argument. The mother is more likely to have complications during or after an abortion than from pregnancy/delivery.
There are mothers who DIE so their baby can live. Let that sink in you selfish bitches.
We have our daughters ashes and mourn her every birthday. She was young enough that she could have been aborted. I suppose if she were to pass before you knew the gender... Maybe it wouldn't be as difficult. I guess everyone is different. But Liberals are just evil. I support women's right to a limit, but figure it out and get it taken care of before it becomes murder.
It’s a murder every time. As soon as it has its own unique DNA, that is a new human life that has begun.
I do personally feel that it is murder at any time, so I would never promote abortion. But if as a nation we are allowing it, I personally feel 16 weeks is more than enough time to follow through. Anything else to me is inhumane.
My sister lost one before knowing the gender. She felt it was probably a boy, named him, and mourned.
My brother and his wife lost their first two babies to miscarriage at around 8 weeks each. Both babies have names, both babies had a little memorial service at church.
This crosses cultures as well and isn't just "evil" Christianity. Jizo statues are cute little statues with red caps that you'll find all over Japan.
There's one for each miscarried child. There's tons of them, all over the countryside and filling up local temples. Pretty saddening when you realize these things that are all over the place are memorials to unborn children.
If you kill a pregnant woman, you get charged with double murder.
So you're saying people really feel like abortion is murder, and the sheep have been brainwashed into believing it empowers women? Thanks reddit!
What retard didn't know that memorial services and heartfelt condolences are often given to families that had a miscarriage? On top of that, I've never once heard of the alternative occurring, where it was just shrugged off as a "you'll get 'em next time thing" and then everyone goes about their merry day - people always react with incredible sympathy when told a miscarriage occurred.
And that gold medal winning retarded analysis that couldn't have been more incorrect got nearly 50,000 upvotes and gilded. Man, Reddit has really nosedived from its early days.
it really has. when T_D got banned I stopped visiting. Its been great for my mental health.
Stop trying to care about a life you created, bigot!!!
I had a nephew pass at 7 months. Trisomy 18. If you don’t know what it is, consider yourself blessed. Had a full funeral, I was a pallbearer. The coffin was so small. Life is life! Abortion is murder! I visit the grave occasionally, when I do, it’s obvious that my sister visits regularly. I had a liberal friend accuse me of being a one issue voter because of the abortion issue. I told him that if Democrats were perfect in every other way aside from abortion, I still wouldn’t vote for them. I guess I am a one issue voter when it comes to abortion. I will never check a D box, as long as the promote abortion the way they do.
This reminds me of the gross person Ethan from H3H3 Podcast where he says "they think they're actually killing a baby" when talking about abortion and people who are against abortions.
I was like, no shit. You are killing a fucking baby! How can say those words and not realize what you said?!
The left is so delusional that they don't realize what they're saying.
Louis CK has a bit about how it is totally killing a baby. I think it was actually a brilliant way to walk his ultra liberal audience through their own thinking. He got them to cheer on the support of murdering babies and then used humor to get them to all realize how fucked up they are: https://youtu.be/U_h-G4uOzqc
I don't know her views on abortion, and don't care to pry to see if she memorializes her at all, but I still remember my mother telling the story of my stillborn older sister one day, and how heartbroken she was about it and how callous the attending doctor was in her treatment of her.
It was and remains an absolutely terrible moment for her life that she still recalls with clarity. I count myself lucky she didn't "give up" and went on to have me, but yeah, fuck anybody saying those who miscarry just shrug their shoulders and get on with life.
My grandparents carried their first baby to full term but it died during birth because the doctor refused to come in because it was a few days before Christmas. This was the early 1950’s and apparently they couldn’t get any type of settlement out of it.
I've had two legit funerals for our miscarried babies.
Imagine being so out of touch thanks to your echo chamber you don't even know reality outside of it.
I bet the thread doesn't explore the link between having had an abortion and subsequent miscarriages. Some subjects are taboo.
Remember Rick Santorum? Remember when in 1996 his premature child two hours after delivery? He and his wife brought the child home and there were pictures taken and the family was allowed to grieve.
Years later when he was running for president the press picked up on it and the liberals openly mocked him. Alan Colmes (a real piece of shit) said Santorum was "playing with a dead baby."
My wife had three miscarriages and one fetal demise at 24 weeks. We never named the miscarriage babies, but we did mourn. The fetal demise was our son Dexter. He had Down Syndrome. When we found out he had passed, we had to go to the hospital and induce labor. The whole thing was handled just like a regular birth, except he wasn't alive and we all knew that. The whole experience was gut wrenching, torturous, and surreal. We buried him and held services for him.
It's been several years now and we have since had a beautiful, perfect, brilliant little baby 'pede, but we still think about Dexter and mention him fondly at family gatherings. We all wish we could have met the little guy. Hopefully we will someday.
The person writing that Reddit post is probably just young and clueless. He/She/Shim probably hasn't lived long enough or experienced enough to understand or even know anyone who has been through a baby passing away. I'd get mad about it, but it would hardly be fair, considering I said and did some seriously stupid ass things when I was a youngster.
I have never in my life heard the reaction of "better luck next time" to someone saying they had a miscarriage. We have a close friend who miscarried late term and they did a memorial, got a clay handprint, and a number of other things. People take miscarriages very hard because they are very real children.
I have an ultra liberal friend with fertility issues. She’s got two kids now, but I can’t tell you the amount of times I had to comfort her after she found out that she had a chemical miscarriage (super early miscarriage that can be hard to detect).
The OP in this pic is probably some 14 year old who thinks Bill Nye is an expert on ethics and morals because he wears a lab coat. They have never seen someone who just miscarried share their emotions about it.
This is how out of touch liberals are. They don't want to have kids, so they think kids dying is normal.
Kids die all the time, but there's a distinct difference between a natural death and intentional homicide. Equating miscarriage to abortion is like saying "old people die of coronavirus, so why can't we smother them with pillows?"
My sister lost one in the first month or so and gave them a name and the family mourned with her.
Yup my sister has a tattoo for her still born. Wife had a small ceremony for a miscarriage.
I remember an article written by a feminist, who wanted a child and miscarried. She needed and sought emotional support from her friends and colleagues, but modern feminism was completely unequipped to express sympathy over it. It was a serious red pill for the author.
The very bottom comment, about having a tattoo for "one of them" sounds to me like she had two miscarriages: one was a planned pregnancy and she got a tattoo for it, and the other was NOT planned (rape?), and therefore did not get a memoriam tattoo...
It could be that one (or more) was early term, and didn't get a memorial tattoo, while another was late term and did. I know some women with fertility issues who had several early miscarriages. The sorrow of it meant that they resisted getting excited or attached, picking out names, having baby showers, sending out announcements, and all that jazz, until they were absolutely 100% certain that it was safe to get their hopes up again.
Do whatever you want as long as noone gets hurt. Pretty sure being injected with poison, having your skull crushed in, and being sucked through a vaccuum would hurt quite a bit.
My friend buried her miscarried twins. Visits them every birthday at least.
All this tells me is the person who posted this is the one who tells women who have a miscarriage “get over it” and he thinks the rest of the world can’t possibly be better than him; so everyone must do this too or worse. Classic narcissism.
My wife and I each got tattoos for our son. I got his footprints on the inside of my arm. My oldest nephew made a lovely chest for us to keep his ashes and a few other things. I can't go into the room that was going to be his. I cry about him even three and a half years later. I'm so thankful for my daughter, I just wish her little brother was here too.
I was at a funeral for a baby that died moments after birth. It was rough.
As of 2020, the clearest difference between a leftist and a conservative is sheer intelligence.
These people are incredibly ignorant and naive at best, but usually just profoundly stupid.
Women are shamed for being emotionally attached to unborn babies...
Other women are the ones who shame them.
This is one of the (many) reasons I'm not friends with other women.
Kinda hard to have a funeral when Planned Parenthood is scavenging body parts to sell to any bidder.
Am abortion is a sad affair. When the left glorifies it shows they are truly demented
Leftists' entire world view is based on the the idea is that the whole country is as shallow and lacking in compassion as all the other leftists around them.
Probably go check again and they're all [deleted].
Fucking sickening.
You can definitely picture EXACTLY what the people behind the screens look like that are purging comments and posts like this on reddit.
Fucking inbred scum of the Earth.
This is choking me up, not gonna lie. Some people (original OP) are so far gone.
My daughter had two miscarriages in the past year. They had names.
Man, my mom had a miscarriage when I was old enough to remember that incomplete pregnancy, eventually she had another pregnancy. Anyways fast forward 16 years and I had a dream where I saw this person probably around 16 who looked like family and I do believe in that dream I imagined what my sister would have been and looked like, my mom thinks her miscarriage would've been a girl. It's not something I think about since after the miscarriage she gave birth to my brother and my mom tied her tubes thereafter and I couldn't imagine a world without my brother in it.
But still sometimes I wonder what it could've been and it makes me sad thinking about it.
My grandma had a sister that tied from severe birth defects at two days old. She had a grave and a head stone right next to her parents. Not exactly a miss carriage, but still in the same vein