More importantly, why are conservatives pushing for prolife so hard even in Dem majority areas?
Let their population reduce, I know you're trying to take the high road with every life is precious and equal, but after seeing what brainwashed people are capable of, there might actually be less suffering if you nip it in the bud.
I'm not sticking up for abortion, if that's what you're getting at. My point is that conservatives were losing the 'optics' of the abortion debate when the leftists were making actual arguments for early abortions- in rape cases etc- making the lie that we're misogynists who don't care about female autonomy.
When they kept pushing the envelope- abort if you feel like it, abort if you change your mind mid pregnancy, it all got pushed through easily since the conservatives were the 'misogynists that hate womens' rights'.
Now that we're finally at the point of full term abortions, even some leftists are wondering about the morality of it- we could have reached this point even earlier if the conservative side hadn't pushed back early, probably leading to a quicker resolution of this whole business, probably saving more lives. Leftists were always going to get abortions and nothing conservatives said would have changed it. Letting them slide down the slippery slope unchecked until even they go "WTF" might have been the better call.
You murder the future when you do that. That's why. One mother from a shitty place can give birth to the next great genius of our time who revolutionises the world for the better.
You're gambling on the off chance that you get something good out of allowing people who don't want children(really not the best parents) while it's more likely that it's going to lead to more broken families, single parents, and childhood trauma, with the obligatory welfare to support them, leading to the next generation of the same stuff. And who do they vote for?
It's arrogant, short sighted, and inhumane to presume you know enough to kill the future for one innocent life.
Look at it this way: let's say 99.99% of children who get in Hollywood are sexually molested. The 00.01% of them become great stars and bring joy to the world. Would you keep sending kids there?
Maybe I'm completely off on the numbers regarding whether people who were forced to have a baby are good parents, I'd love to see some sources.
That's what people don't understand. And we ceded this battle for too long. That's how we have full-term abortion and even the idea of post-birth abortion.
I'm not very old, but I'm old enough to remember when the argument for abortion was for early-term based on the formation of the fetus and the (I believe erroneous) belief that it wasn't yet a person until X time. That's all out the window now. It's contempt for innocence, contempt for children, contempt for humankind. It's sick and evil.
That's what people don't understand. And we ceded this battle for too long. That's how we have full-term abortion and even the idea of post-birth abortion.
No, the vehement opposition for the acceptable cases of abortion(rape being one of them) made people think that conservatives are misogynistic women haters who get off on controlling women. This lead to every next step on the slippery slope being an autowin for the dems since hurr durr conservative bad. Now that they're at full term/post birth abortions, maybe the normies will wake up and say "WTF".
They would have reached that point regardless of how much opposition you put up, but maybe if they reached it faster, more lives could have been saved.
When you're trying to save the children of people who are trying(and succeeding) in destroying your world with their moronic views, leading to your side being demonised for 'misogyny' and 'anti-women' stances, I really don't see the value in that.
No one is forced to raise their unwanted child. Adoption and foster homes exist. It’s not the best thing a parent can do, but it sure is better than being murdered by your parents.
Don’t think that it’s always kids of left that become so staunch. It’s very very often kids of very conservative people and they’re either rebelling or indoctrinated at school. School is the problem not left breeding. Welfare breeding is a problem and I’d be in favour of forced birth control for serial welfare cases. However not abortions. Abortions just let people get pregnant thirty times. It’s not a proper solution. It’s a very grotesque and inhumane answer to the problem and really we can do better.
Agree completely, birth control should be the most important step. However when you pay welfare based on the number of kids you have, that kinda goes out the window.
More importantly, why are conservatives pushing for prolife so hard even in Dem majority areas?
Let their population reduce, I know you're trying to take the high road with every life is precious and equal, but after seeing what brainwashed people are capable of, there might actually be less suffering if you nip it in the bud.
I'm not sticking up for abortion, if that's what you're getting at. My point is that conservatives were losing the 'optics' of the abortion debate when the leftists were making actual arguments for early abortions- in rape cases etc- making the lie that we're misogynists who don't care about female autonomy.
When they kept pushing the envelope- abort if you feel like it, abort if you change your mind mid pregnancy, it all got pushed through easily since the conservatives were the 'misogynists that hate womens' rights'.
Now that we're finally at the point of full term abortions, even some leftists are wondering about the morality of it- we could have reached this point even earlier if the conservative side hadn't pushed back early, probably leading to a quicker resolution of this whole business, probably saving more lives. Leftists were always going to get abortions and nothing conservatives said would have changed it. Letting them slide down the slippery slope unchecked until even they go "WTF" might have been the better call.
You're gambling on the off chance that you get something good out of allowing people who don't want children(really not the best parents) while it's more likely that it's going to lead to more broken families, single parents, and childhood trauma, with the obligatory welfare to support them, leading to the next generation of the same stuff. And who do they vote for?
Look at it this way: let's say 99.99% of children who get in Hollywood are sexually molested. The 00.01% of them become great stars and bring joy to the world. Would you keep sending kids there?
Maybe I'm completely off on the numbers regarding whether people who were forced to have a baby are good parents, I'd love to see some sources.
Because they actually believe that it is murder.
Shouldn't people be opposed to murder, no matter what?
That's what people don't understand. And we ceded this battle for too long. That's how we have full-term abortion and even the idea of post-birth abortion.
I'm not very old, but I'm old enough to remember when the argument for abortion was for early-term based on the formation of the fetus and the (I believe erroneous) belief that it wasn't yet a person until X time. That's all out the window now. It's contempt for innocence, contempt for children, contempt for humankind. It's sick and evil.
No, the vehement opposition for the acceptable cases of abortion(rape being one of them) made people think that conservatives are misogynistic women haters who get off on controlling women. This lead to every next step on the slippery slope being an autowin for the dems since hurr durr conservative bad. Now that they're at full term/post birth abortions, maybe the normies will wake up and say "WTF".
They would have reached that point regardless of how much opposition you put up, but maybe if they reached it faster, more lives could have been saved.
When you're trying to save the children of people who are trying(and succeeding) in destroying your world with their moronic views, leading to your side being demonised for 'misogyny' and 'anti-women' stances, I really don't see the value in that.
You do realize that Trump was born in a city right?
Was he an unwanted child who was forced upon his parents by the lack of abortion services?
I'd say he would have turned out way worse if his parents didn't want him and were forced to raise him.
No one is forced to raise their unwanted child. Adoption and foster homes exist. It’s not the best thing a parent can do, but it sure is better than being murdered by your parents.
Don’t think that it’s always kids of left that become so staunch. It’s very very often kids of very conservative people and they’re either rebelling or indoctrinated at school. School is the problem not left breeding. Welfare breeding is a problem and I’d be in favour of forced birth control for serial welfare cases. However not abortions. Abortions just let people get pregnant thirty times. It’s not a proper solution. It’s a very grotesque and inhumane answer to the problem and really we can do better.
Agree completely, birth control should be the most important step. However when you pay welfare based on the number of kids you have, that kinda goes out the window.
Regarding the schooling system 100% agree.