I used to watch old footage from the 60s of African Americans getting hosed down in front of businesses for “peacefully protesting”. I used to see that news media footage thinking “look at all this racism, they weren’t doin nuffin”. Now, I wonder what was really happening and if perhaps the media played a role even then in misrepresentation.
This has also made me 100% recontextualize the Rodney king riots. This BLM shit is so toxic, it’s retroactively making me reconsider similar “protests” that I felt were positive or at least justified.
Is anyone else feeling this way?
I’m sorry to hear that, sir. I am happy to see a fellow black man on this website though. Our numbers are growing as more of us are realizing it’s okay to think for yourself.
I think I know where you're going with this. A lot can be accomplished when you are not allowed to question something. Photoshop has been around a whole lot longer than we think.
If the media and the powers that be actively prevent you from questioning something, you need to be questioning that thing.
Not really; I received an excellent education -- both at school and at home.
Civil Rights protests? Eh, 50/50: they did have a real thing to protest about; there were communists that made sure to get situated into that movement (ALL socially progressive movements since the late 1800/early 1900s to now have had some flavor of socialist infiltration -- that's the bad part. Rodney King and today? Oh, hell yeah, those were agitated set-ups. There are some organic concerns, but those are swimming in a sea of communist agitprop.
That's been the socialist playbook from the start. Good agitprop always contains an element of truth.
What you said is really all that matters. In the 50's and 60's, they had a an actual gripe that justified their actions. Now they don't really have a goal besides, get rid of police?
Actual gripe? Yes. Justified violence? Ehhhhhhh.
I still think there’s more to the story.
Yes, I would consider segregation and Jim Crow to be an actual gripe. I would probably resort to violence and tearing up civilization if I was treated like dirt and as a second class citizen that is not allowed to participate in certain aspects of society.
I’d probably just leave or something. I’m just not the type to resort to violence to prove my political grounds outside of another’s country invasion. Using violence to prove your point is lame, my dude. Even MLK jr. believed that.
Problems with the police is valid and society-wide.
Defunding the police is a game of masking which the idiots, if they knew what they were really getting into, would run away from. Defund the police and you get Robocop/Minority Report. I'm pretty sure the Dems can't sell that on its merits, so they have to maneuver and lie.
I’m impressed by your educational credentials but I still have my doubts.
Keep in mind, I’m not criticizing civil rights in and of itself. I’m wondering how fair of a representation we got of what was really happening during the 60s within the black community and how they actually handled it aside from the approved narrative.
The reason we have the perspective of today is because of a mixture of things that didn’t exist back then: social technology, decades of historical perspective, internet access and choices aside from leftist controlled news orgs.
I find it very telling that anyone back then who tried to explain the issues of the black community outside of “whites did it all” was immediately branded racist. Just like today.
The entire right was demonized, just like today. We only saw pro-black, pro-civil rights media when it came to the news, just like today.
Civil rights were also being used as a blanket tactic to push communism, just like today.
You can’t really ignore the parallels, trust me, I’ve desperately tried. But history repeats itself when you don’t fully comprehend what happened the first time and there’s quite a bit of that occurring now.
Jesse Lee definitely agrees.
I think it was a con, as usual. If they're pushing it that hard, it's inevitable.
Good things did result from it, for sure, but so did a ton of the grievance-hustle that basically created a permanent under class.
You have to consider if there was a legitimate complaint. Was there a legitimate complaint? Well, yes -- a constitutional concern even. That was for Civil Rights. That movement had far more organic involvement than what we see today. Was it infiltrated? Yes; that's the problem. What we have been taught about it is really a problem -- they didn't really tell the truth (that there was communist infiltration all along; that a lot of nasty socialist agenda got pushed through along with valid addressing of a valid problem; that actual communists got their foot in the political door through that valid movement: but it's happened before, with women's voting rights, with worker's rights...with education reform, ag reform; you name it ).
Good point on the demonization: at the time I would say no; they had to downplay Dem involvement in the suppression (Bull Connor, not a Republican); it was later, in the history books that the real lies could get spread (party switch for instance).
Today is agitprop. Police acting like dicks is an age old complaint, usually localized, and doesn't meet the requirements for a movement -- but it isn't worth it's own movement; it can be handled at the local level (if it needs to be handled at all: most concerns are overblown).
I've been thinking this for some time now. The BLM / Antifi actions have set race relations back decades. It's sad. American has made progress, sometimes slow, but progress over the last 200 years. They are burning much of that progress to the ground. I have to wonder if it is intentional or an unintended consequence. I think it's unintended.
What I personally find so frustrating is that I'm not a big fan of the concept of race as we use it today. I'm Christian and still cling to the Genesis account of creation. This means that we're all brothers and sisters and our unique appearances is due to localized natural selection after the flood when we were dispersed over the earth. We're all related. We're all brothers and sisters with the same blood coursing through our veins. I know that not all believe this account of creation, but I do. But we are being ripped apart by the arbitrary color of our skin. Shit, I'm darker than a lot of 'black' people I know since I'm outside in the sun fishing all the time. I wish the world could be more like it is at my church were we're all related. We're all brothers and sisters.
But if I believe one part of the bible, I have to believe the other parts to, and if I'm interpreting scripture correctly, it's going to get worse before it gets better. The father of lies is going to have his day.
Do you know that the Rodney King video was censored too? Do you know that he was antagonizing a female officer who had pulled him over for drunk driving? That he was charging at her and taking off his pants, and she called for backup to avoid using her weapon? Why would the media only show the part of the video where her backup was beating him up? Excessive use of force? Probably. If you knew the whole story would you care as much? Probably not.
Your red pill is kicking in. Media is all propaganda.
Same
Sit-Ins (remember those) were civil disobedience. You showed up, occupied a space, and got hauled (dragged/carried) off to jail. Any protest that turns into arson and looting is diametrically opposed to civil disobedience as viewed historically. Fire hoses were popular in the 60's as a non lethal method to disperse rioters. Nobody wants that optic anymore apparently, why not foam cannons. Turn it into a rave, just toss in a few glow sticks and tear gas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1998/01/25/the-king-incident-more-than-met-the-eye-on-videotape/2248e35e-178b-47e9-a8db-0734f88b46e0/ She was unable To complete the arrest. He shook his butt at her. He was visibly on drugs. Her husband was there and a part of the police department. None of this is politically correct to acknowledge.
I’m looking at history period. Especially, WWI and the communist revolution in Russia.