Hijacking top comment to say I'm a hispanic member of the church. The actual name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. My family left devout Catholicism for it, and yes it is very Christian.
We make actual sacrifices for what we believe in. just like the rest of you. I pay a full tithe, that's very hard to do. Other tithe payers from all churches will know what I'm talking about.
We live in a culture that embraces depravity and filth, but I saved myself for marriage. That's incredibly difficult. Especially when you know you're going to marry the girl.
Before that I also went on a 2 year mission. That's two full years of my life I dedicated to what I feel was sincere service. I saw people's lives change first hand as they abandoned addictions or turned their lives to God. And I saved up my own money to pay for it (plus left a girl I liked at the time).
I wish we were afforded some of that same religious tolerance that the rest of you guys pretend to believe in. But instead it feels like I'm always defending my religion from... conservatives.
I wish we were afforded some of that same religious tolerance that the rest of you guys pretend to believe in. But instead it feels like I'm always defending my religion from... conservatives.
I am an Ex-mormon but I will defend Mormons. They are good people. Christian. Industrious and mostly republican..
I respect anyone’s decision to follow whatever religion they want. So long as they don’t rape kids or try to take away others freedoms. Also my opinion about a Pseudo Christian Church is my form of free speech so there you go..
As someone else commented their dear leader Joseph Smith literally married and raped children. So there you go again..
A simple Wikipedia search can inform you. they get this one right.
“ The accuracy of Smith's story has been widely invalidated. Scholars reject Smith's claims of ancient origin and consider the book a fabrication by Smith, drawing on material and ideas from contemporary 19th-century works rather than translating an ancient record. Scholars argue that no evidence of a reformed Egyptian language has ever been discovered.The content found within the book has also been questioned. Scholars have pointed out a number of anachronisms within the text, and no archaeological or genetic evidence has supported the book's claims about the indigenous peoples of the Americas. The text has also undergone many significant revisions, which critics see as a rebuttal of its divine origins.”
It's sad to see how hateful you are. Especially towards people that stand up for your rights.
If you wanna play the "secular scholars must approve my religion" card, you'll lose every time. Where's the secular evidence for the Garden of Eden? For humans that lived nearly a thousand years? For a literal worldwide flood?
Btw those same scientists also brought you, transgenderism, gender spectrum, global warming...cooling...uhh...climate change, porn is healthy, fetuses aren't alive, coronavirus, etc.
You just described every religion. Stop turning this into something it's not. We get it. You're not Mormon. Stick to politics this isn't ExMormon reddit.
I wish I knew. Personally I think it's "failed presidential candidate syndrome". Look at the last 4. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry. They all hate America. Like hatred borne from shame or something.
Or just corruption. There are rumors that Romney is tied up into the Ukraine thing with Biden and Pelosi. Either way I promise you we hate Romney here. Every day I drive by a billboard that states "Mr Romney Please Resign".
I'm a Mormon as well and I cannot stand Mitt Romney. He already demoted his faith during his 2012 bid for President. I also believe him to be corrupt as 'TheSwiftPepe' mentioned above.
Since Mormons believe in striving for perfection over the length of an eternity, through Jesus Christ and repentance, we are therefore very susceptible to blackmail for our imperfections.
There's no reason to alienate your Mormon friends and neighbors. Most of us fight just as fiercely for the same things as the rest of you. Life, liberty, and eternal happiness. Seek us out when things get bad. We can be great allies.
Yeah, OK. Teaching and learning is cool, but I just don't like where it leads though. In other words, as humans, we can strive for perfection, but we cannot achieve it because only God is perfect.
Don't want to get on your case about it, because I can tell you're sincere in walking the good path.
I'm going to toss out there that most Trump supporters dislike the Pope and disagree with a lot of Jewish led politicians that put their religion and Israel over America.
Its not limited to just Mormons. Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants don't quite get along either. Especially when you start throwing the woke churches into the mix.
Our church, just like the rest of America, is seeing a major upswing in our youth becoming enlightened atheists. Unfortunately, the left is poisoning Christianity all over the place.
That said, none of these kids are being cut off from their families or "shunned" or anything. My own brother left in his teens and we were sad but he never missed any family events or was treated differently. He just didn't attend with my parents on Sundays.
If I were to leave right now though, my wife and grandma would be devastated. Perhaps not so badly if I went to another religion. If I denounced God and turned atheist, it might actually kill my poor grandma lol.
Like Harry Reid, I'd be surprised if he isn't subject to church discipline for his behavior.
We know from our Book of Mormon that some of the worst people in history claimed to be the most righteous. I know that anybody who runs around telling people they are mormon are not to be trusted, period.
The church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints. It's literally in the name bro. Demonizing some very good people of Christian faith for one faggot Mitt isn't right. Don't stereotype like a loser lefty.
Ok genius, let's make it easy for you to understand.
**Christianity.
noun
Religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
adjective
of, relating to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.**
Here's a few of the articles of faith, they're basically "a concise listing of thirteen fundamental doctrines of Mormonism".
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that these ordinances are: 1st [first], Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; 2d [second], Repentance; 3d [third], Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; 4th [fourth], Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Here's a good list with a lot of detail. Plenty of similarities but that's ALL they ever want to talk about. You can find countless hours of debate between Mormons and Christians and I am yet to see any where the Christians aren't presenting a superior and more well backed argument. Frankly the way the Mormons try to argue their beliefs reminds me a lot of the left. There is usually either no substance to back up a claim or belief or when there is it's easily picked apart and discredited.
https://www.crosswalk.com/church/pastors-or-leadership/are-mormons-christians-7-major-differences-in-critical-theology.html
Maybe You have a surface level of understanding of the Bible and that’s ok. I’m not attacking you, Do a little investigating into Holy scripture about what it says about False Churches and Adding to scriptures. Then investigate the Book of Mormon. It’s ok if your ignorant so I’ll pray @RealJesusChrist leads you to the truth
I've read both scriptures many times. You're quite arrogant to call me ignorant when you know nothing of me.
lol "adding to scripture". Who decided what would go on to be the complete bible anyways? You really trust the council of Nycaea to include all holy scripture? You may just be following some old tradition instead of going by faith.
It absolutely IS Christian. I love how you guys pretend to defend religion and be the "true" tolerant ones and then turn around and display actual bigotry because some people are the "wrong type" of Christian.
We have actual, evil people in the world who want us dead, want our children dead, and you waste energy fighting your allies.
Don't lump us in with our crappy politicians. We hate them too. That's like saying McCain, Paul Ryan or Bush represent conservatives.
And before you say Utah voted for Romney because he's Mormon, that's wrong. Kennedy was Mormon and could have won. Trump ENDORSED Romney. I still remember it. Trump killed the opposition overnight and got the guy he wanted.
Interesting. Wonder why they told us that then. They said both the old and new testaments were wrong and flawed, corrupted by men. So I guess every version other than KJV?
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
"Bible" means "books". It wasn't assembled till like the 5th century AD. Before that they were all individual scriptures. There's no way Revelations was referring to the entire thing. Just to itself.
Doesn’t matter to me what their private beliefs are. Many, many Mormons are conservative and love Trump.As long as they follow the laws of our country and will fight to defend her, they can believe anything they want.
What’s so bad about many foreign-born Muslims is that they don’t respect our laws and want to change them. Not all, but many. That’s a problem.
I’m reading through the mud-slinging above and I agree with you. Disclaimer, I’m a Christian and I believe LDS is a cult. That said, it’s okay to simultaneously believe they have a right to exist and to choose their beliefs, AND to think it’s a load of poo by a scam artist.
The worst thing about the Romney types is not simply that they go against their own party, but that they do so because of personal animosity towards the President rather than actual policy differences.
The simple fact that they aspire to be Gods and deny the full divinity of Jesus means that they are, not, Christians.
If they would just be honest that they're not a form of Christianity they wouldn't get so much pushback from Christians. Even Muslims don't pretend to be Christians just because Jesus (or some concept of Him) is a part of their religion.
Mormans are not Christians. They aspire to be Gods and they are expecting to be the Gods of their own planet. They believe if they are good Mormans they will be the equals of Jesus.
Yes, this is the crux of it right here. This is the same sin of Pride which was the primary sin of Lucifer. He thought he could be as good as or even better than God. All his lies flow from that.
You almost have it..
Do you want your children to be better than you? Or worse? Every parent that loves his children wants their children to reach their full potential and even surpass them. God is a perfect father and obviously wants us to be our best.
Would you punish your children if they tried to improve? Is there evil pride in wanting your child to be better than you? Humans have progressed exponentially because of that. We've built off of the experience of our ancestors.
If you knew your scriptures you'd remember that Christ commands us to be perfect like Him. He's given us the path and tools to be like him. There's no evil in trying to be your very best self..
Through God and the atonement of Christ, all things are possible, especially perfection.
If not, then what? Theres two kinds of perfect? Christ perfect and make believe perfect?
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
First, you have to take context into account. This is the passage:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Here Jesus is instructing about love and personal morality, specifically loving your enemy. In the passage's conclusion, He says to be "perfect" in terms of this aspect of God. And this leads to the second point...
You need to look at the original Greek word ["teleioi"[(https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/5-48.htm) which is translated as "perfect". Teleioi does mean perfection, but its meaning alludes to moral completeness, as in "perfect or complete in a moral sense".
Looking back at the context of the passage, "moral perfection" seems to make more sense as opposed to total and utter perfection of being.
And of course God wants us to improve, but if one were to become totally perfect as God is totally perfect, it would place us at His same level, creating a situation where there is no longer "one true God".
You can't be as totally perfect as God and be below him at the same time, because if you were below Him then that would mean that there was something better or less flawed than you...and thus you would not be perfect.
This is largely ignored, but remember when some mormons got shot by a cartel in Mexico, and they briefly talked about how there is a mormon sect that is cult-like that is located down there? Yeah, Romney's Dad was born there. Not making this up.
Voted for Obama over him in 2012. Still not sure if it was the right move, but if he won, we wouldnt have gotten Trump in 2016, so I think it worked out well :)
No reminder needed always hated Romney, even more than Obama fucking traitor scum would've done the exact same fucking thing as Obama and you all know it!
I find it hilarious that people believe Jesus walked across the ocean- I mean he could if he wanted to- but he walked from the Middle East to New York of all places, ignored all the pagan Native Americans, and left a new Bible, IN ENGLISH, for some white dude to find thousands of years later
that's not..... That is not what Mormons believe.... at all. I am not Mormon but I used to be one..
according to Mormons...
He didn't walk across the ocean he transcended into heaven and then descended into the Americas.
he didn't "Ignore" the Native Americans he came down and talked to the major civilizations in the Americas Which according to the Mormons were a group of people called the Nephites and the Lamenites. (no evidence of their existence has been found)
There was a bloody war near the end and the scriptures were taken by Moroni he fled north and hid the golden plates there.
the plates were not in English. Joseph Smith used a device found with the plates to translate them.
So I am not Mormon. But before you talk trash on anyone at least be informed what they believe in before you spread nonsense otherwise we are no better than the left.
Thanks for sharing that. Ellen G White (Seventh Day Adventist), like Joseph Smith, was also distorting and twisting and adding fake Revelations to the holy scripture. I’m curious can I ask you a question. You used to be Mormon, what compelled you to leave the church? Is it true that if you leave the church you aren’t allowed into the community and even families will disown their own blood?
Being disowned is a legit fear when you are a teenager.. But, it doesn't really happen. the Family might give you the cold shoulder. but, overtime they remember that they love you. If you make a BIG sin like murder or denying the holy ghost you can be excommunicated where basically they wont talk to you.
I left because I couldn't believe it. as a rational human being I kept finding fallacies in their stories. that and I felt guilty ALL THE TIME for normal thoughts for a teen aged boy to have... A lot of it is brainwash and mind control. your whole life is rooted in that faith. Your friends are Mormon
your community is Mormon. Then you start to question. once that happens its a snowball effect. I became an atheist . Because once you realize your life has been a LIE you tend to go to the polar opposite. Being an atheist was far worse than being a Mormon. I was insanely depressed. While I was in the military I talked to the chaplains and mental health professionals. after years I found out my depression and anxiety stemmed from mmy lack of spiritual growth. I went on a journey finding out everything I could about every religion. I am still in that quest but I have found my spirit.
I believe in God again ( but not a man of flesh and blood living on a planet called Kolob which is what Mormons believe ) God to me is Everything. All of existance is god the infinite mindscapes you can create. God is the infinite.
Basically I have found a theory which is Read everything pick and choose what works for you because it is your truth. What you believe is true to you. what you believe creates your perception of the world and perception is your reality. So i try to be cognizant of my perception and I tend my mind like a garden.
Thank you that was beautifully written. I am on your side and God is with you, the God of your understanding is the only God you need. I pray to Jesus and I’ll ask that he protects over you and blesses your life. You discovered that you have to have a spiritual center or life is a living hell. I’m happy you were able to break away from the Twisted Mormon church
People like me have a hard time with in the Church. But, there are many who have happy lives in the church. I do miss the sense of community found with in the church and they overall have a good moral system. I just couldn't do it anymore your previous comment left a tear in my eye thank you.
One of my best friends came from a Mormon family. He eventually understood the brainwashing for what it was, and told his family he was no longer Mormon. They didn't physically abandon him, just emotionally. He became the black sheep. He was left isolated and alone, his family didn't treat him the same because he wasn't going to go to the planet with them as a family after they all died. He got into drugs. He's also gay but repressed it because he wanted his family to love him. The whole 8 years I've known him, he's just been on a quest to love himself, like someone would be if they found out their family doesn't love them. He's always gotta be the center of attention, but I know he's very lonely and sad.
The cult makes happy and well connected families, unless you're not part of it. And their beliefs can't stand up to modern scrutiny. This is a recipe for people who think for themselves, and even believe in God but not in their version of it, to live sad, horrible lives. It is a CULT, because you can never leave without abandoning your family (when it is really them abandoning you!)
NO NO it's better than that even. The tablets which were left behind could only be used by a magic rock called the Seer Stone. It wasn't in English you bigot.
Y'all a Bunch of cucks for attacking fellow Christians. Y'all really going to attack the LDS?? when there's fucking child rapists, murderers and Godless heathens trying to indoctrinate your children and establish a literal altar to Moloch?
Coming from an Atheist's point of view, most of the conversation in this thread is hilarious and points to what is going to happen after the next four years.
not wisdom, just observation.
after kicking out the left and rhino's where does this go?
The factions in any group tend to draw lines and fight each other when there is no outside enemy.
don't get me wrong, i want to see this site spawn something along the lines of a "LION" party, but i see a lot of fractures that can quickly shatter when the outside pressure is released.
Common goal = unity
no common goal = infighting
right now the common goal is getting GEOTUS re-elected
what about after.
The bigger issue is that he's an immense corrupt faggot RINO.
Hijacking top comment to say I'm a hispanic member of the church. The actual name is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. My family left devout Catholicism for it, and yes it is very Christian.
We make actual sacrifices for what we believe in. just like the rest of you. I pay a full tithe, that's very hard to do. Other tithe payers from all churches will know what I'm talking about.
We live in a culture that embraces depravity and filth, but I saved myself for marriage. That's incredibly difficult. Especially when you know you're going to marry the girl.
Before that I also went on a 2 year mission. That's two full years of my life I dedicated to what I feel was sincere service. I saw people's lives change first hand as they abandoned addictions or turned their lives to God. And I saved up my own money to pay for it (plus left a girl I liked at the time).
I wish we were afforded some of that same religious tolerance that the rest of you guys pretend to believe in. But instead it feels like I'm always defending my religion from... conservatives.
I am an Ex-mormon but I will defend Mormons. They are good people. Christian. Industrious and mostly republican..
Exmormon too. Mormons are based AF. It's why I'll never leave Utah. I don't buy the religion anymore but dammit if they aren't patriots.
Except Mitt.
Fuck Mitt.
Instances of Josep Smith as a Sexual Predator: http://www.116pages.com/2016/08/evidence-that-joseph-smith-was-sexual.html?m=1
I respect anyone’s decision to follow whatever religion they want. So long as they don’t rape kids or try to take away others freedoms. Also my opinion about a Pseudo Christian Church is my form of free speech so there you go..
As someone else commented their dear leader Joseph Smith literally married and raped children. So there you go again..
A simple Wikipedia search can inform you. they get this one right.
“ The accuracy of Smith's story has been widely invalidated. Scholars reject Smith's claims of ancient origin and consider the book a fabrication by Smith, drawing on material and ideas from contemporary 19th-century works rather than translating an ancient record. Scholars argue that no evidence of a reformed Egyptian language has ever been discovered.The content found within the book has also been questioned. Scholars have pointed out a number of anachronisms within the text, and no archaeological or genetic evidence has supported the book's claims about the indigenous peoples of the Americas. The text has also undergone many significant revisions, which critics see as a rebuttal of its divine origins.”
It's sad to see how hateful you are. Especially towards people that stand up for your rights.
If you wanna play the "secular scholars must approve my religion" card, you'll lose every time. Where's the secular evidence for the Garden of Eden? For humans that lived nearly a thousand years? For a literal worldwide flood?
Btw those same scientists also brought you, transgenderism, gender spectrum, global warming...cooling...uhh...climate change, porn is healthy, fetuses aren't alive, coronavirus, etc.
Your angry because deep in your heart you know:
There were never any golden plates
You just described every religion. Stop turning this into something it's not. We get it. You're not Mormon. Stick to politics this isn't ExMormon reddit.
Mormons are some of the nicest people I've ever met, but you guys believe you're going to become "like gods" if you do things properly, right?
Revelation 3:21
Anyone who has read the Bible knows the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Yeah. The gist of it is just as our earthly parents teach/guide us to become like them (assuming they're good examples), God does the same.
I wish I knew. Personally I think it's "failed presidential candidate syndrome". Look at the last 4. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry. They all hate America. Like hatred borne from shame or something.
Or just corruption. There are rumors that Romney is tied up into the Ukraine thing with Biden and Pelosi. Either way I promise you we hate Romney here. Every day I drive by a billboard that states "Mr Romney Please Resign".
That’s the corruptive potency of politics for ya. Not much else to it.
He was dropped as a child.
Mitt Romney is a MINO. He does not embody our beliefs.
He is corrupt as hell.
I'm a Mormon as well and I cannot stand Mitt Romney. He already demoted his faith during his 2012 bid for President. I also believe him to be corrupt as 'TheSwiftPepe' mentioned above.
Since Mormons believe in striving for perfection over the length of an eternity, through Jesus Christ and repentance, we are therefore very susceptible to blackmail for our imperfections.
There's no reason to alienate your Mormon friends and neighbors. Most of us fight just as fiercely for the same things as the rest of you. Life, liberty, and eternal happiness. Seek us out when things get bad. We can be great allies.
We're raised to be conservatives, without being told who to vote for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY9f0WIJ4Jg
I had never heard some of my mormon friends and family that I grew up with express such disgust as they did at Mitt Romney.
We had to remind each other that we're better than that.
That says something.
Yeah, OK. Teaching and learning is cool, but I just don't like where it leads though. In other words, as humans, we can strive for perfection, but we cannot achieve it because only God is perfect.
Don't want to get on your case about it, because I can tell you're sincere in walking the good path.
Thanks for answering. I appreciate it.
Preach!
I'm going to toss out there that most Trump supporters dislike the Pope and disagree with a lot of Jewish led politicians that put their religion and Israel over America.
Its not limited to just Mormons. Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants don't quite get along either. Especially when you start throwing the woke churches into the mix.
I hear they are a bit extreme. If you were to suddenly not be Mormon anymore, how would your family and church see you?
Our church, just like the rest of America, is seeing a major upswing in our youth becoming enlightened atheists. Unfortunately, the left is poisoning Christianity all over the place.
That said, none of these kids are being cut off from their families or "shunned" or anything. My own brother left in his teens and we were sad but he never missed any family events or was treated differently. He just didn't attend with my parents on Sundays.
If I were to leave right now though, my wife and grandma would be devastated. Perhaps not so badly if I went to another religion. If I denounced God and turned atheist, it might actually kill my poor grandma lol.
Lol ur not Christians
Under his picture it should read:
Lying, back stabbing and two faced shit bag.
It does, they just abbreviate:
Mitt Romney
Dum DUM Dum dum Dum ...
Mormons feel betrayed by Romney
No, I don't feel betrayed by him.
I feel like he has a lot to answer for.
Like Harry Reid, I'd be surprised if he isn't subject to church discipline for his behavior.
We know from our Book of Mormon that some of the worst people in history claimed to be the most righteous. I know that anybody who runs around telling people they are mormon are not to be trusted, period.
Not in my experience. Most Mormons are politically low information, and they assume that any LDS candidate will have their best interests in mind.
Same. Whole lds family is ashamed of that cuck.
Cool story bro. Pretty presumptive of you.
I live in Idaho, grew up LDS, and all of my childhood friends are LDS. My entire company is also LDS.
It's a big country, not everyone thinks like your community does. That's why I said "not in my experience."
Maybe you should find better people to associate with.
Correlation of mormon doesn't equal causation of stupid.
I'm no mormon but thats not -at all- what they believe and this is grossly misconstrued
So it isn’t pseudo Christian cult or it is? It’s either Christian or not.. Mormon is not Christian -at all-
The church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints. It's literally in the name bro. Demonizing some very good people of Christian faith for one faggot Mitt isn't right. Don't stereotype like a loser lefty.
"Democratic" is in the Democratic Party name. Does that automatically make them democratic though?
It’s also in the official name of North Korea.
Yeah. What I've noticed is that if Democratic or People's whatever is in the name, then you're in for a bad time.
If it walks talks and looks like a duck...
By their fruits, yee shall know them.
Seems pretty Christlike to me
I know what you're saying, but stuff in this world is really complicated. Like this stuff:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/philanthropy-50-how-much-bezos-gates-zuckerberg-charities-gave-away.html
Really smart wolves learn to quack.
So you think Antifa are just anti-fascists too then? I mean duh it's in the name.
Ok genius, let's make it easy for you to understand. **Christianity. noun Religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
adjective of, relating to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ.**
Here's a few of the articles of faith, they're basically "a concise listing of thirteen fundamental doctrines of Mormonism".
Yes, while you believe a whole slew of other things incompatible with Christianity, which are also absolutely your right to believe.
such as?
Here's a good list with a lot of detail. Plenty of similarities but that's ALL they ever want to talk about. You can find countless hours of debate between Mormons and Christians and I am yet to see any where the Christians aren't presenting a superior and more well backed argument. Frankly the way the Mormons try to argue their beliefs reminds me a lot of the left. There is usually either no substance to back up a claim or belief or when there is it's easily picked apart and discredited. https://www.crosswalk.com/church/pastors-or-leadership/are-mormons-christians-7-major-differences-in-critical-theology.html
Lol mormons btfo
Maybe You have a surface level of understanding of the Bible and that’s ok. I’m not attacking you, Do a little investigating into Holy scripture about what it says about False Churches and Adding to scriptures. Then investigate the Book of Mormon. It’s ok if your ignorant so I’ll pray @RealJesusChrist leads you to the truth
I've read both scriptures many times. You're quite arrogant to call me ignorant when you know nothing of me.
lol "adding to scripture". Who decided what would go on to be the complete bible anyways? You really trust the council of Nycaea to include all holy scripture? You may just be following some old tradition instead of going by faith.
https://youtu.be/_9U-f-vtXkQ
Referring to the jesus part
Edit: thought i responded to the top comment
It absolutely IS Christian. I love how you guys pretend to defend religion and be the "true" tolerant ones and then turn around and display actual bigotry because some people are the "wrong type" of Christian.
We have actual, evil people in the world who want us dead, want our children dead, and you waste energy fighting your allies.
Don't lump us in with our crappy politicians. We hate them too. That's like saying McCain, Paul Ryan or Bush represent conservatives.
And before you say Utah voted for Romney because he's Mormon, that's wrong. Kennedy was Mormon and could have won. Trump ENDORSED Romney. I still remember it. Trump killed the opposition overnight and got the guy he wanted.
Mormonism is NOT Christianity. They do not believe in the Bible.
Yes we absolutely do lol
I was told by missionaries that mormons believe the Bible is false and has been corrupted.
Hard time believing that, but if they did, they're wrong. It's literally ingrained into our Articles of Faith
The same stance as basically everyone on the Bible.
Edit: We use the KJV in English and Reina-Valera in Spanish btw.
Interesting. Wonder why they told us that then. They said both the old and new testaments were wrong and flawed, corrupted by men. So I guess every version other than KJV?
they believe in the King James version. They believe Christ is their savior
They just believe in an extra testament.
It is absolutely -NOT CHRISTIAN-
they added books to the Bible...
Revelation 22:18-19
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
That's wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start.
Sound Like you’re battle hardened to defend a -Not Christian- Religion...
Jesus Never Came to America, there were no tablets with “extra” scriptures
Go take it up with Moroni
Lol way to ignore the truth I handed to you. Religious intolerance and imperviousness to facts... maybe you'd fit in better on the left.
I’m totally tolerant of their ability to practice whatever.. not agreeing with something does not equate to intolerance.
Yes I know all of those things you told me but you didn’t hand me a truth at all...
It was only 1823, where are the golden plates now?
And Mitt Romney is a Faggot
Doesn’t matter to me what their private beliefs are. Many, many Mormons are conservative and love Trump.As long as they follow the laws of our country and will fight to defend her, they can believe anything they want.
What’s so bad about many foreign-born Muslims is that they don’t respect our laws and want to change them. Not all, but many. That’s a problem.
I’m reading through the mud-slinging above and I agree with you. Disclaimer, I’m a Christian and I believe LDS is a cult. That said, it’s okay to simultaneously believe they have a right to exist and to choose their beliefs, AND to think it’s a load of poo by a scam artist.
WILLARD M ROMMEY......... leader of the rinos
The worst thing about the Romney types is not simply that they go against their own party, but that they do so because of personal animosity towards the President rather than actual policy differences.
Pierre Delecto is no friend of MAGA. He is a faggot.
The simple fact that they aspire to be Gods and deny the full divinity of Jesus means that they are, not, Christians.
If they would just be honest that they're not a form of Christianity they wouldn't get so much pushback from Christians. Even Muslims don't pretend to be Christians just because Jesus (or some concept of Him) is a part of their religion.
Mormans are not Christians. They aspire to be Gods and they are expecting to be the Gods of their own planet. They believe if they are good Mormans they will be the equals of Jesus.
Yes, this is the crux of it right here. This is the same sin of Pride which was the primary sin of Lucifer. He thought he could be as good as or even better than God. All his lies flow from that.
You almost have it.. Do you want your children to be better than you? Or worse? Every parent that loves his children wants their children to reach their full potential and even surpass them. God is a perfect father and obviously wants us to be our best.
Would you punish your children if they tried to improve? Is there evil pride in wanting your child to be better than you? Humans have progressed exponentially because of that. We've built off of the experience of our ancestors.
If you knew your scriptures you'd remember that Christ commands us to be perfect like Him. He's given us the path and tools to be like him. There's no evil in trying to be your very best self..
Through God and the atonement of Christ, all things are possible, especially perfection.
If not, then what? Theres two kinds of perfect? Christ perfect and make believe perfect?
Are you referring to Matthew 5:48?
First, you have to take context into account. This is the passage:
Here Jesus is instructing about love and personal morality, specifically loving your enemy. In the passage's conclusion, He says to be "perfect" in terms of this aspect of God. And this leads to the second point...
You need to look at the original Greek word ["teleioi"[(https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/5-48.htm) which is translated as "perfect". Teleioi does mean perfection, but its meaning alludes to moral completeness, as in "perfect or complete in a moral sense".
Looking back at the context of the passage, "moral perfection" seems to make more sense as opposed to total and utter perfection of being.
And of course God wants us to improve, but if one were to become totally perfect as God is totally perfect, it would place us at His same level, creating a situation where there is no longer "one true God".
You can't be as totally perfect as God and be below him at the same time, because if you were below Him then that would mean that there was something better or less flawed than you...and thus you would not be perfect.
Only God is perfect in all ways.
Dang. Well said.
This is largely ignored, but remember when some mormons got shot by a cartel in Mexico, and they briefly talked about how there is a mormon sect that is cult-like that is located down there? Yeah, Romney's Dad was born there. Not making this up.
In fact, I think Romney's grandpa was one of the founders.
I took a lot of shit on a TD post a while ago when I mentioned that Mormons are fake Christians.
You still will, if you see too comments above. But you’re right. They’re sincere, but it’s a corruption.
Voted for Obama over him in 2012. Still not sure if it was the right move, but if he won, we wouldnt have gotten Trump in 2016, so I think it worked out well :)
No reminder needed always hated Romney, even more than Obama fucking traitor scum would've done the exact same fucking thing as Obama and you all know it!
PIERRE DELECTO AT YOUR SERVICE!
*twiddles moustache
Mitt Romney is the only politician that may be more of an empty suit than Obama. I can't believe I voted for this imbecile!
First one out the heli
Following a pair of leaders who married literal children and molested them.
Brigham Young and Joseph Smith were terrible people and should never have been given the time of day.
MUH JOSEPH SMITH
I find it hilarious that people believe Jesus walked across the ocean- I mean he could if he wanted to- but he walked from the Middle East to New York of all places, ignored all the pagan Native Americans, and left a new Bible, IN ENGLISH, for some white dude to find thousands of years later
that's not..... That is not what Mormons believe.... at all. I am not Mormon but I used to be one..
according to Mormons... He didn't walk across the ocean he transcended into heaven and then descended into the Americas.
he didn't "Ignore" the Native Americans he came down and talked to the major civilizations in the Americas Which according to the Mormons were a group of people called the Nephites and the Lamenites. (no evidence of their existence has been found)
There was a bloody war near the end and the scriptures were taken by Moroni he fled north and hid the golden plates there.
the plates were not in English. Joseph Smith used a device found with the plates to translate them.
So I am not Mormon. But before you talk trash on anyone at least be informed what they believe in before you spread nonsense otherwise we are no better than the left.
You had me at Moroni 😂
Giant spectacles, yea right.
Thanks for sharing that. Ellen G White (Seventh Day Adventist), like Joseph Smith, was also distorting and twisting and adding fake Revelations to the holy scripture. I’m curious can I ask you a question. You used to be Mormon, what compelled you to leave the church? Is it true that if you leave the church you aren’t allowed into the community and even families will disown their own blood?
Being disowned is a legit fear when you are a teenager.. But, it doesn't really happen. the Family might give you the cold shoulder. but, overtime they remember that they love you. If you make a BIG sin like murder or denying the holy ghost you can be excommunicated where basically they wont talk to you.
I left because I couldn't believe it. as a rational human being I kept finding fallacies in their stories. that and I felt guilty ALL THE TIME for normal thoughts for a teen aged boy to have... A lot of it is brainwash and mind control. your whole life is rooted in that faith. Your friends are Mormon
your community is Mormon. Then you start to question. once that happens its a snowball effect. I became an atheist . Because once you realize your life has been a LIE you tend to go to the polar opposite. Being an atheist was far worse than being a Mormon. I was insanely depressed. While I was in the military I talked to the chaplains and mental health professionals. after years I found out my depression and anxiety stemmed from mmy lack of spiritual growth. I went on a journey finding out everything I could about every religion. I am still in that quest but I have found my spirit.
I believe in God again ( but not a man of flesh and blood living on a planet called Kolob which is what Mormons believe ) God to me is Everything. All of existance is god the infinite mindscapes you can create. God is the infinite.
Basically I have found a theory which is Read everything pick and choose what works for you because it is your truth. What you believe is true to you. what you believe creates your perception of the world and perception is your reality. So i try to be cognizant of my perception and I tend my mind like a garden.
Thank you that was beautifully written. I am on your side and God is with you, the God of your understanding is the only God you need. I pray to Jesus and I’ll ask that he protects over you and blesses your life. You discovered that you have to have a spiritual center or life is a living hell. I’m happy you were able to break away from the Twisted Mormon church
People like me have a hard time with in the Church. But, there are many who have happy lives in the church. I do miss the sense of community found with in the church and they overall have a good moral system. I just couldn't do it anymore your previous comment left a tear in my eye thank you.
One of my best friends came from a Mormon family. He eventually understood the brainwashing for what it was, and told his family he was no longer Mormon. They didn't physically abandon him, just emotionally. He became the black sheep. He was left isolated and alone, his family didn't treat him the same because he wasn't going to go to the planet with them as a family after they all died. He got into drugs. He's also gay but repressed it because he wanted his family to love him. The whole 8 years I've known him, he's just been on a quest to love himself, like someone would be if they found out their family doesn't love them. He's always gotta be the center of attention, but I know he's very lonely and sad.
The cult makes happy and well connected families, unless you're not part of it. And their beliefs can't stand up to modern scrutiny. This is a recipe for people who think for themselves, and even believe in God but not in their version of it, to live sad, horrible lives. It is a CULT, because you can never leave without abandoning your family (when it is really them abandoning you!)
NO NO it's better than that even. The tablets which were left behind could only be used by a magic rock called the Seer Stone. It wasn't in English you bigot.
Easier to believe that over believing Allah chose and talked to a pig fucker out in bumfuck nowhere.
Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum
https://youtu.be/_9U-f-vtXkQ
Who hurt you? Parents drop you on your head as a baby? Do some research before pulling a Biden and spouting retarded bullshit to people.
Y'all a Bunch of cucks for attacking fellow Christians. Y'all really going to attack the LDS?? when there's fucking child rapists, murderers and Godless heathens trying to indoctrinate your children and establish a literal altar to Moloch?
Y'all need more Jesus in your lives.
The statue of Moloch is a troll by the Atheistic group that feeds off of religious overreaction.
Coming from an Atheist's point of view, most of the conversation in this thread is hilarious and points to what is going to happen after the next four years.
In your great divine wisdom what is supposed to happen after the next four years? I don’t get it
not wisdom, just observation. after kicking out the left and rhino's where does this go? The factions in any group tend to draw lines and fight each other when there is no outside enemy. don't get me wrong, i want to see this site spawn something along the lines of a "LION" party, but i see a lot of fractures that can quickly shatter when the outside pressure is released. Common goal = unity no common goal = infighting right now the common goal is getting GEOTUS re-elected what about after.
And they have to wear magic underwear during sex. Mormons have weird rules!
This isn’t true.
Not true bro
Does mittens wear them to top, or only when he bottoms?