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davidzaduk 2 points ago +5 / -3

Mormans are not Christians. They aspire to be Gods and they are expecting to be the Gods of their own planet. They believe if they are good Mormans they will be the equals of Jesus.

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Scroon 2 points ago +4 / -2

Yes, this is the crux of it right here. This is the same sin of Pride which was the primary sin of Lucifer. He thought he could be as good as or even better than God. All his lies flow from that.

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FeelTheCuck -2 points ago +1 / -3

You almost have it.. Do you want your children to be better than you? Or worse? Every parent that loves his children wants their children to reach their full potential and even surpass them. God is a perfect father and obviously wants us to be our best.

Would you punish your children if they tried to improve? Is there evil pride in wanting your child to be better than you? Humans have progressed exponentially because of that. We've built off of the experience of our ancestors.

If you knew your scriptures you'd remember that Christ commands us to be perfect like Him. He's given us the path and tools to be like him. There's no evil in trying to be your very best self..

Through God and the atonement of Christ, all things are possible, especially perfection.

If not, then what? Theres two kinds of perfect? Christ perfect and make believe perfect?

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Scroon 2 points ago +3 / -1

Are you referring to Matthew 5:48?

Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

First, you have to take context into account. This is the passage:

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Here Jesus is instructing about love and personal morality, specifically loving your enemy. In the passage's conclusion, He says to be "perfect" in terms of this aspect of God. And this leads to the second point...

You need to look at the original Greek word ["teleioi"[(https://biblehub.com/lexicon/matthew/5-48.htm) which is translated as "perfect". Teleioi does mean perfection, but its meaning alludes to moral completeness, as in "perfect or complete in a moral sense".

Looking back at the context of the passage, "moral perfection" seems to make more sense as opposed to total and utter perfection of being.

And of course God wants us to improve, but if one were to become totally perfect as God is totally perfect, it would place us at His same level, creating a situation where there is no longer "one true God".

You can't be as totally perfect as God and be below him at the same time, because if you were below Him then that would mean that there was something better or less flawed than you...and thus you would not be perfect.

Only God is perfect in all ways.

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Miserable_company 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dang. Well said.