Snowden swore an oath (same one I swore) to uphold and defend the Constitution. The government can’t conduct surveillance on American citizens without a warrant, and the issuance of that warrant must be determined based on due process. Deep State traitors are conducting surveillance on citizens based on politics, not criminality, and they are using outright fabrications or the flimsiest of process crimes to do so. You should be against this, and Barr should be against this. But I fear that both of you are not.
He wasn't smart enough to filter out specific NSA programs he was so concerned with. He fucking copy pasta'ed the entire fucking NSA sharepoint folder and published it to the public domain. He is a retard glory whore who needs to die in prison or by firing squad.
I swore that oath twice, in the military. But when I worked as a contractor, we did not swear any oaths. We signed a document about not divulging classified information. He likely did the same.
There is no question he committed a crime. The question is whether he was forced to commit that crime due to criminal acts by his superiors preventing him from whistle blowing, and whether that justifies pardon or even dropping his charges in an effort to prosecute bigger fish.
I now lean towards dropping or lessening charges and getting his assistance in going after the worse criminals in our government and its many contractors.
But this isn't a simple black and white issue. Just because there is a positive outcome of committing a crime, doesn't necessarily excuse the crime. You don't want to set a precedent where any political idiot thinks it's ok to leak out classified information.
So it's an entirely valid argument with good points on both sides. Acting as if anyone who isn't 100% on board with your view of it is pretty lame.
I suspect as much, which is why I have come around to the idea of dropping charges. But there also needs to be a reckoning for those involved in forcing his hand.
Snowden was a fucking contractor. He was not a federal employee // GS // GG grade government civilian. He swore no oath. He dropped MILLIONS of TOP SECRET documents into the public domain without knowing what was contained in it all. You can't swear an oath to protect something while at the same time taking actions to fucking crush it. He is a scum, Barr is correct.
But Barr never said that he was for it. Snowden did expose intelligence running roughshod over the constitution, but he could have done it differently instead of leaking to the press and escaping to Russia. Heroes don’t hide in enemy territory.
You live in a country where the Secretary of State had her housekeeper print out classified material and smashed subpoenaed cell phones with hammers and walked away scot-free while a submariner took a selfie and got thrown in the clink for years and would have stayed there if Trump hadn't pardoned him.
And you think Snowden would have been protected by his government after exposing that same government's unconstitutional surveillance?
You're fucking delusional if you really believe that, dude.
Snowden swore an oath (same one I swore) to uphold and defend the Constitution. The government can’t conduct surveillance on American citizens without a warrant, and the issuance of that warrant must be determined based on due process. Deep State traitors are conducting surveillance on citizens based on politics, not criminality, and they are using outright fabrications or the flimsiest of process crimes to do so. You should be against this, and Barr should be against this. But I fear that both of you are not.
agreed, the issue seems to be the so called whistleblower procedure is nothing of the sort.
Whistleblowers against the deepstate is guaranteed death with your message most likely not succeeding, Snowden was smart enough to know that.
If this was true, he’d be dead. The fact he isn’t dead is proof to me that he was working for the deep state.
He wasn't smart enough to filter out specific NSA programs he was so concerned with. He fucking copy pasta'ed the entire fucking NSA sharepoint folder and published it to the public domain. He is a retard glory whore who needs to die in prison or by firing squad.
This. Parallel construction is exactly the type of distopian future our founders set out to prevent.
I swore that oath twice, in the military. But when I worked as a contractor, we did not swear any oaths. We signed a document about not divulging classified information. He likely did the same.
There is no question he committed a crime. The question is whether he was forced to commit that crime due to criminal acts by his superiors preventing him from whistle blowing, and whether that justifies pardon or even dropping his charges in an effort to prosecute bigger fish.
I now lean towards dropping or lessening charges and getting his assistance in going after the worse criminals in our government and its many contractors.
But this isn't a simple black and white issue. Just because there is a positive outcome of committing a crime, doesn't necessarily excuse the crime. You don't want to set a precedent where any political idiot thinks it's ok to leak out classified information.
So it's an entirely valid argument with good points on both sides. Acting as if anyone who isn't 100% on board with your view of it is pretty lame.
If he would have followed proper whistleblower laws he would have been silenced and possibly worse. Obama hated legal whistleblowers
I suspect as much, which is why I have come around to the idea of dropping charges. But there also needs to be a reckoning for those involved in forcing his hand.
Snowden was a fucking contractor. He was not a federal employee // GS // GG grade government civilian. He swore no oath. He dropped MILLIONS of TOP SECRET documents into the public domain without knowing what was contained in it all. You can't swear an oath to protect something while at the same time taking actions to fucking crush it. He is a scum, Barr is correct.
But Barr never said that he was for it. Snowden did expose intelligence running roughshod over the constitution, but he could have done it differently instead of leaking to the press and escaping to Russia. Heroes don’t hide in enemy territory.
He didn’t “escape” to russia he was trapped there by Obama. His passport was revoked by the state dept as he was flying through Russia on a layover.
Bullshit, man.
You live in a country where the Secretary of State had her housekeeper print out classified material and smashed subpoenaed cell phones with hammers and walked away scot-free while a submariner took a selfie and got thrown in the clink for years and would have stayed there if Trump hadn't pardoned him.
And you think Snowden would have been protected by his government after exposing that same government's unconstitutional surveillance?
You're fucking delusional if you really believe that, dude.