Communists, socialists, and fascists have more in common than they care to admit.
During early WW2 the communists and socialists across the US were extremely anti-war. It wasn’t until Hitler turned against Stalin that they started waving their anti-fascism flag and began supporting US involvement in the war.
Bullshit. The nazis rose to power on a platform of blatant socalism. Look up the founding points of the nazi party. Collectivism, redistribution of wealth, nationalization of industry, a duty to work for the greater good of the state. It's blatant communism.
Morons who try to claim the nazis weren't communists because they clashed with soviet style communism are completely misinformed. You think communists never fought with other communists? Stalin killed millions of them himself.
The fact that hitler's socialist regime turned out not to be a peaceful utopia where everyone sang kumaya but rather turned into a brutal warmongering dictatorship and police state is not a point against it being socialist. Quite the opposite actually, that means it turned out like almost all other socialist regimes from Mao to Pol Pot to Il Sung to Castro.
A Reactionary is the word French Revolutionaries made up to describe people who wanted to return to pre revolutionary Monarchy.
The National Socialists thought the communists were doing socialism wrong
Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.
Hitler knew one thing that we refuse to understand because "muh moral high ground" he saw how the communists used propaganda and turned it against them.
If you're implying all I know about Hitler comes from movies, you're wrong.
I know there's a lot more nuance to that era, but it is what it is too.
Communist/socialist/facists groups had different centers back then, formed under different "schools" of thought. It isn't like now where this all sounds like a cartoon.
Back then Hitler hated the Eastern communists, the Marxists etc. But he still formed his own socialist movement. He hated the nihilism of those movements for instance, but liked the idea of nationalising industries etc.
I know it's a long topic but Hitler was essentially a communist with a different branding and slightly different methodology.
What pins it all together is that the State is enacting it's will by force and in a totalitarian manner for the "good of the people" so to speak. That force can call itself whatever it wants - facist/communist/butterflytarian - but it it what it is and it ain't freedom.
Seriously, I guarantee if people here heard a Hitler speech with no context to who it is, they'd agree with a lot of issues he had with germany at the time.
This. It's been a long time since I've seen Generation Kill but Sgt. Colbert basically says that those who are willing to use force will always have power over those who aren't.
I agree but propose that they combine the best of two worlds: they are Commies and also goose-stepping little fascists, and sociopathic liars and ... oh, I've run out of their good qualities and now have to continue with their bad ones. And that list is long.
Democrats lack the discipline of Nazis. Nazis had order. They were clean cut. (Just trying to think of some positives. Apparently it’s easier to think of positives with Nazis than democrats which is really saying something.) Democrats are more like the CCP, which actually is probably because they ARE the CCP.
"As was widely recognized in the 1920s and 1930s, a significant number of the Nazi Brownshirts, including the group’s head, Ernst Rohm, were homosexual. William Shirer tells us that the head of the Munich Brownshirts, Edmund Heines, was not only gay but also a convicted murderer. The Communists and Social Democrats derided the Nazi Brownshirts by calling them names like the Brotherhood of Poofs in the Brown House."
It’s almost as if they want their Antifa goons to make sure they can keep their states blue because they are worried about the incoming landslide of Trump voters.
I think they underestimate how ready people are to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump.
But we need to remember that not all people are strong enough to take on a mob blocking a polling place.
If you see these fuckers on Election Day trying their bullshit, we need to make sure we have strong pedes ready to protect those who may not be strong enough to deal with this stuff on their own.
They might target the poll workers. Most poll workers I've seen in the past are old folks. The rioters have shown they're willing to assault the elderly. Heck, the real purpose of Covid-1984 may be to terrorize the elderly from volunteering to work the polls.
Well if you know what actually happened with "police forces" in Germany and its build-up to war they really became more of a military force.
It's more complex than this statement. Maybe at the start but he had no reason to defund the police as he was in charge of the police.
Biden won't defund the police. He will just put steps into place to recruit more socialists into the police.
You should go look up what German police forces did in Poland during and after the invasion. They had to bring them in because normal German forces couldn't handle (mainly mentally) the mass killing of Jews and other civilians in Poland.
They would operate behind the main German lines moving from village to village.
99% of the statements comparing the Nazis with the Democrats of today are bullshit. I guess it started as a way to troll the left, and then some people our side took it seriously.
The only thing I argue about in regards to the Nazis is when people think they are far right. When they were an ideology of socialism.
But that was mainly born of out the lie from WW2 when the Allies had to ally themselves with the USSR. So people didn't ask why their governments were fighting a socialist country with another just as bad socialist country.
Germany was National socialists and the Democrats are communists.
It's because left/right is meaningless. It's a simplification for normies, but anyone who is into politics should move away from it.
If you want to seize the wealth of corporations and you want to put gays in camps, are you left or right?
You want national healthcare and you want to promote the middle class, are you left or right?
You use the term "Nazi" to say a generic "authoritarian".
That is wrong. National-Socialism is a complex and specific ideology, while authoritarianism is a constant in human civilization.
I'd say the ancient pharaoh was authoritarian too.
Hell, even the pre-Chinavirus America was authoritarian to require a loisence for simply cutting hair, forbidding to feed the homeless, or have regulations for collecting rainwater in your backyard.
It's hard to vote when they're beating you on the way to or at the voting booth. I imagine a lot of people, disarmed and demoralized, decided to stay home. And who knows how the votes were counted or who even counted them.
After the Vienna Convention? They would have elected anyone so long as he promised to pay the blood back. They were burning marks in stoves because paper money was cheaper than firewood.
So you don't think that Hitler invented an interesting and sound ideology that tried to take the best elements from socialism and the best elements from capitalism?
Have you ever heard of the so called third position?
I mean in Germany at that time if you think it was enforced or not, not many people were voting against Hitler.
But comparing 1930s Germany to America today isn't really the thing to do. Or even China in the late 1930s and early 1940s. The closest comparison would be the communist movements in Russia in the 1910s-20 and communist movements in Europe in the 1920s and early 1930s. Spain and France being the focus.
But not that many people were voting for him either...Hitler never got an absolute majority. The best the NSDAP did was 43,9% in 1933. And by that time, they already imprisoned most of their political enemies.
The NSDAP and the KPD (communist party) were both financed by the international banking elites. Basically, an experiment to see how far they can go in one direction or another.
What most people do not know: The Weimarer republic, while hated by most voters in Germany (the conservatives wanted monarchy back and what the others wanted is known) was coming up quite beautiful in 1920s. The economy was in a recovery.
Then, of course, Black Friday. The Weimarer Republic was never meant to blossom...
Does anyone have any more information on n Hitler's rise to power and the tactics he used? I'd love to be able to post this to friends with a link to more information and a "would you like to know more" tab.
Communists, socialists, and fascists have more in common than they care to admit.
During early WW2 the communists and socialists across the US were extremely anti-war. It wasn’t until Hitler turned against Stalin that they started waving their anti-fascism flag and began supporting US involvement in the war.
Hitler literally rose to stop communism in Germany.
The communists started shit first.
Why the hell do you think they/we are called REACTIONARIES?
Bullshit. The nazis rose to power on a platform of blatant socalism. Look up the founding points of the nazi party. Collectivism, redistribution of wealth, nationalization of industry, a duty to work for the greater good of the state. It's blatant communism.
Morons who try to claim the nazis weren't communists because they clashed with soviet style communism are completely misinformed. You think communists never fought with other communists? Stalin killed millions of them himself.
The fact that hitler's socialist regime turned out not to be a peaceful utopia where everyone sang kumaya but rather turned into a brutal warmongering dictatorship and police state is not a point against it being socialist. Quite the opposite actually, that means it turned out like almost all other socialist regimes from Mao to Pol Pot to Il Sung to Castro.
A Reactionary is the word French Revolutionaries made up to describe people who wanted to return to pre revolutionary Monarchy.
The National Socialists thought the communists were doing socialism wrong
Joseph Goebbels (1932)
Yeah, and words change with time.
Nowadays, anyone on the right who isn't a "conservative", i.e. con inc. is a reactionary by the worlds standards.
And yeah, they did think communists were doing socialism wrong.
National Socialists' main goal is literally in the name.
And Hitler had a very different viewing of socialism compared to marx and the like.
Hitler knew one thing that we refuse to understand because "muh moral high ground" he saw how the communists used propaganda and turned it against them.
Looks like we got a live one boys
The left is desperate with this
Hitler was just a different brand of communist.
If you're implying all I know about Hitler comes from movies, you're wrong.
I know there's a lot more nuance to that era, but it is what it is too.
Communist/socialist/facists groups had different centers back then, formed under different "schools" of thought. It isn't like now where this all sounds like a cartoon.
Back then Hitler hated the Eastern communists, the Marxists etc. But he still formed his own socialist movement. He hated the nihilism of those movements for instance, but liked the idea of nationalising industries etc.
I know it's a long topic but Hitler was essentially a communist with a different branding and slightly different methodology.
What pins it all together is that the State is enacting it's will by force and in a totalitarian manner for the "good of the people" so to speak. That force can call itself whatever it wants - facist/communist/butterflytarian - but it it what it is and it ain't freedom.
Seriously, I guarantee if people here heard a Hitler speech with no context to who it is, they'd agree with a lot of issues he had with germany at the time.
Nah. The United States completely destroyed nazi Germany and it wasn't even close.
We turned german socialists into piles of rubble.
American capitalism will always be better than german socialism.
Europe was and is a socialist shithole that is spreading here. We should have allowed Patton to role through Germany and onto Russia.
This. It's been a long time since I've seen Generation Kill but Sgt. Colbert basically says that those who are willing to use force will always have power over those who aren't.
And that's why we should never give up our guns.
I agree but propose that they combine the best of two worlds: they are Commies and also goose-stepping little fascists, and sociopathic liars and ... oh, I've run out of their good qualities and now have to continue with their bad ones. And that list is long.
They’re both very authoritarian, dystopian ideologies.
They're Communists. Their tactics aren't much different than Lenin in 1917.
Communists are worse than Nazis for the simple reason that they still exist in large numbers and wield massive amounts of power. They must be crushed.
Democrats lack the discipline of Nazis. Nazis had order. They were clean cut. (Just trying to think of some positives. Apparently it’s easier to think of positives with Nazis than democrats which is really saying something.) Democrats are more like the CCP, which actually is probably because they ARE the CCP.
With Nazis, at least the people who fit the brand had a good life.
Under communism, literally no one but like 12 people have a good life.
Democrats are super obsessed with identity politics. Yeap, checks out, democrats are super gay nazis.
https://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/sex-pervert-as-anti-fascist/
"As was widely recognized in the 1920s and 1930s, a significant number of the Nazi Brownshirts, including the group’s head, Ernst Rohm, were homosexual. William Shirer tells us that the head of the Munich Brownshirts, Edmund Heines, was not only gay but also a convicted murderer. The Communists and Social Democrats derided the Nazi Brownshirts by calling them names like the Brotherhood of Poofs in the Brown House."
U/godgamer is obsessed with this gay shit hahah.
Huh. I guess history does repeat itself.
It’s almost as if they want their Antifa goons to make sure they can keep their states blue because they are worried about the incoming landslide of Trump voters.
I think they underestimate how ready people are to crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump.
But we need to remember that not all people are strong enough to take on a mob blocking a polling place.
If you see these fuckers on Election Day trying their bullshit, we need to make sure we have strong pedes ready to protect those who may not be strong enough to deal with this stuff on their own.
They might target the poll workers. Most poll workers I've seen in the past are old folks. The rioters have shown they're willing to assault the elderly. Heck, the real purpose of Covid-1984 may be to terrorize the elderly from volunteering to work the polls.
Well if you know what actually happened with "police forces" in Germany and its build-up to war they really became more of a military force.
It's more complex than this statement. Maybe at the start but he had no reason to defund the police as he was in charge of the police.
Biden won't defund the police. He will just put steps into place to recruit more socialists into the police.
You should go look up what German police forces did in Poland during and after the invasion. They had to bring them in because normal German forces couldn't handle (mainly mentally) the mass killing of Jews and other civilians in Poland.
They would operate behind the main German lines moving from village to village.
99% of the statements comparing the Nazis with the Democrats of today are bullshit. I guess it started as a way to troll the left, and then some people our side took it seriously.
The only thing I argue about in regards to the Nazis is when people think they are far right. When they were an ideology of socialism.
But that was mainly born of out the lie from WW2 when the Allies had to ally themselves with the USSR. So people didn't ask why their governments were fighting a socialist country with another just as bad socialist country.
Germany was National socialists and the Democrats are communists.
It's because left/right is meaningless. It's a simplification for normies, but anyone who is into politics should move away from it.
If you want to seize the wealth of corporations and you want to put gays in camps, are you left or right? You want national healthcare and you want to promote the middle class, are you left or right?
See, it's impossible to define.
You use the term "Nazi" to say a generic "authoritarian". That is wrong. National-Socialism is a complex and specific ideology, while authoritarianism is a constant in human civilization.
I'd say the ancient pharaoh was authoritarian too.
Hell, even the pre-Chinavirus America was authoritarian to require a loisence for simply cutting hair, forbidding to feed the homeless, or have regulations for collecting rainwater in your backyard.
Genuine question.. The side that was doing the rioting, burning, and beating up of citizens is the side that gained votes?
It's hard to vote when they're beating you on the way to or at the voting booth. I imagine a lot of people, disarmed and demoralized, decided to stay home. And who knows how the votes were counted or who even counted them.
Some people had some things.
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/hitler-loved-gun-control
I like Crowder but you need to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/apr/08/viral-image/no-gun-control-regulation-nazi-germany-did-not-hel/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_Germany
After the Vienna Convention? They would have elected anyone so long as he promised to pay the blood back. They were burning marks in stoves because paper money was cheaper than firewood.
So you don't think that Hitler invented an interesting and sound ideology that tried to take the best elements from socialism and the best elements from capitalism?
Have you ever heard of the so called third position?
There are no good elements from socialism. None. I’ve thought what you are thinking now and crawled out.
Social unity? National and social identity? Solidarity with people who are unable to work?
Not having international corporations, foreign billionaires, and banking elites rape your ass?
Seriously, i dont have the picture on hand, but there were a few photos of like 20000+ people in a stadium for Nazi America.
It was very popular.
Yes that was the Madison Square garden
I mean in Germany at that time if you think it was enforced or not, not many people were voting against Hitler.
But comparing 1930s Germany to America today isn't really the thing to do. Or even China in the late 1930s and early 1940s. The closest comparison would be the communist movements in Russia in the 1910s-20 and communist movements in Europe in the 1920s and early 1930s. Spain and France being the focus.
Seems pretty Weimar-y to me...
But not that many people were voting for him either...Hitler never got an absolute majority. The best the NSDAP did was 43,9% in 1933. And by that time, they already imprisoned most of their political enemies.
The NSDAP and the KPD (communist party) were both financed by the international banking elites. Basically, an experiment to see how far they can go in one direction or another.
What most people do not know: The Weimarer republic, while hated by most voters in Germany (the conservatives wanted monarchy back and what the others wanted is known) was coming up quite beautiful in 1920s. The economy was in a recovery.
Then, of course, Black Friday. The Weimarer Republic was never meant to blossom...
In that case, I think they made the right choice.
We all innately knew it was about breaking down societal protections not to fix the police 🥱🥱🥱
Holy shit. That's a red pill and a half
Main difference being, Goring was actually quite competent at his job.
They think the time is right, according to the YT vid on their plan to destroy America. I think Soros wants to see it in his lifetime and he’s Old AF.
Does anyone have any more information on n Hitler's rise to power and the tactics he used? I'd love to be able to post this to friends with a link to more information and a "would you like to know more" tab.
Nazis were national socialists.
Democrats are communists.
Hitlers rise to power came from demonizing communism and bolstering nationalism.
But I'm sure they don't actually teach the real history in school anymore so I'm not surprised the vast majority of people don't know this.
N.A.Z.I. = National German SOCIALIST Workers Party
NAZI Socialism is just a branch/brand name of Karl Marx's cult of leftism
NAZI had "Brownshirts" as their terrorist enforcers
DNC has KKK, ANTIFA, BLM as their terrorist enforcers
NAZI had Josef Mengele as their satanic "doctor" to perform "experiments on humans
DNC has Planned Parenthood as their satanic "doctor" to perform "experiments on humans
NAZI had Josef Goebbels as their "Minister of Propaganda"
DNC has the "media" as their "Ministers of Propaganda"
NAZI enforced gun confiscation
DNC pushing gun confiscation
NAZI had government health care
DNC pushing government health care
Dude. Hitler's hated Karl Marx. Read mein Kampf. Hitler hated Communists.
Karl Marx didn’t invent leftism you dummy.
Democrats are satanists. they've always existed.
I'm honestly disappointed to see this.
This is like uber boomer tier shit man.