The Democrats took the word GOD out of the Pledge of Allegiance at the Democrat National Convention. At first I thought they made a mistake, but it wasn’t. It was done on purpose. Remember Evangelical Christians, and ALL, this is where they are coming from-it’s done. Vote Nov 3!
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Love ya Don, but don’t forget about your atheist supporters. You don’t have to believe in god to maga
Exactly this. The phrase Under God, and all of the references to the Creator, go much farther than to say "we are a nation of Christians". Otherwise, the first amendment would protect Christianity, not religion.
The Founding Fathers were making sure that everyone understood that the Rights of the People were not bestowed by any earthly power or being, but were inherent at your creation and birth. What came before you "were"? Whatever created you. God. The Father.
We are a nation whose rights were given to us by God. No one can take them away. (In modern English, I believe this roughly translates to "get fukt, commies")
And honestly, if there is no concept of "God," even beyond the specific Christian God who I believe in, then there is no source for "rights" beyond what the people commonly assent to. Which creates a situation wherein the majority could lawfully and "rightly" legislate the extermination of the minority.
Without the base assumption that "God" created and granted rights to, let's say, the Floobles, then why NOT put all the Floobles into concentration camps? Floobles cause more problems to the Majority than they're worth, right? Some would say that forced sterilization would be more humane, but to force a Flooble to work for your benefit without being able to pass on his legacy is cruel. Painless euthanasia without any warning would be the best outcome. Minimize costs, minimize cruelty.
Someone once challenged my beliefs, saying to me that if I didn't have Christ, I'd still be a good person, right? I countered that no, no I wouldn't. Because I'm NOT a good person. I'm a person who understands just how bad he is, and how that's unacceptable to a Righteous God, and who gladly, gleefully, avails himself of not only the forgiveness of the Redeemer but of the power that Redeemer offers to be conformed to His image. To BECOME, via Sanctification, a man better than I was and ever closer to His perfection. If I had undeniable proof that none of that is real, then all bets are off, and I'm only living out for ME. And if I'm only living out for ME, then a whole lot, a WHOLE lot of horrible people who offend MY internal sense of right and wrong are going to be relocated to holes in the forest. Because... why not? If I'm not living up to the image of one Greater than I, then I must be the Greatest that is. And if I am the Greatest that is, then my Judgment is absolute.
And the worst thing? That last statement that I wrote there? That is 100% how the Leftist thinks. That there IS no God besides themselves. And that is why and how they presume to lord over us all. They do not put the nation under God because they purport to BE gods.
Well, their "god" is the State, but their incorrect assertion is that they have any real control or say over the Party.
I like your points, and I believe in God and his Son as well. Simply pointing out that the Founders were smarter far beyond the protection of themselves and took into account that there would be oppressed, freedom-seeking individuals who would need this nation and would not be Believers.
In many ways, that may have been one of the greatest examples of Christian outreach in history. "Believe differently than me. I still believe in your rights, and so does my God and Nation."
Incidentally, the phrase "under God" was originally added to the Pledge of Allegiance specifically to piss off commies. So yes, that is indeed the correct translation.
If atheism isn't your religion, then you shouldn't have a problem with what he said.
Atheist checking in; atheism isn't my religion.
Agnostic checking in. I highly support keeping every mention of the word God in all things American. Especially, historical or traditional. This is where the first sellers flead to escape religious persecution. America was an idea and I believe in that idea and everything that created it. God gives people hope, faith, morals, community, a love for the fellow man, or woman, but only those two (2 genders). I may not believe in God in a religious sense, but I do believe God has a place in many many people's lives. I'd never try to take that away, not even a single word. Everyone has the freedom to follow their own beliefs, but don't erase history. Removing God from America is like burning history books, like the Nazis.
I was just pointing out that "atheism" is not a religion, it's the exact opposite. Religious people have a very hard time understanding the concept of not being religious. They think it means you don't believe in "God" when it actually means you don't believe in "gods". It's not an attack on them and their beliefs, that's anti-theist.
Why?
Alienating ~45% of the US population by forcing them to accept Christian values is not how you ensure a landslide victory.
My guess is that, like Richard Dawkins said, he prefered Christian ethics over other religions or nuhilism.
You atheists are the ultimate caricature of everything you cunts are against. You just can't help from flaunting your religion in everyone's face.
This is a serious post, isn't it? Every other thread in this community is about how Satan is literally among the Democrat party or Trump is hand-picked by God, or maybe a biblical quote or a condemnation of all non-christians.
If anyone makes a thread about anything other than Christianity - Jews, Muslims, atheists for Trump - it gets inundated with, at best, a bunch of you going "well I respect you supporting Trump but y'all need Jesus and also all your moral and ethical values are Christian by default, heathens". I know, because I made "hey, this is supposed to be a community for Trump supporters, not exclusively Christians, let's all work together, also don't forget about us!" posts and threads on behalf of agnostics - and in support of general non-secular support for the president - on the old sub and got immediately and thoroughly lambasted every time. I intentionally check every single thread that passes through this .win that is something like "I'm a Jew and I still support Trump" or "Buddhists for Trump" and the OP usually makes some conciliatory "hey I know we disagree on divinity but we all love Trump right?". And there's always half the fucking thread being Christian trump supporters ranting and raving about how OP is welcome to the community but clearly deluded, please read Proverbs X:Y to understand why.
But yes, I know, posting this long reply just is pissing into the wind and only illustrates how anti-christian I must be. Not sure why I'm even bothering. I already know the rebuttal, "THEN WHY ARE YOU NON-CHRISTIANS COMING IN SHITTING UP OUR THREAD/BOARD/SITE!" And it's that presumption, that entitlement, that self-assured righteousness, the status quo condition that you feel like you've already won before any discussion even begins, that is the problem.
Not sure what you are trying to say. Are you proclaiming your victim hood as an atheist?
I'm not religious as by any means but I do have an aversion to atheism as a whole and I only expressed my disdain for the hypocrisy of that ideology and its followers.
Oh by the way, being atheist is inherently unscientific. Atheism is scientifically impossible.
Agreed, that's why I'm agnostic. I don't have all the answers and don't pretend to. Edit: people of X or Y faith believe they've seen evidence justifying their beliefs. That's the point. Gnostic theists at least can point at proof. I can respect that.
You missed the point, of course. Non-christians are "victims" insofar as Christian trump supporters are quicker than any on the draw to claim their right to worship, their ideology, etc , is being purged from the national consciousness, with this inherent assumption that this is wrong because they're objectively right. So, here, on a forum that's supposed to be Trump supporters, they quickly commandeer it to trumpet their intrinsic belief that morality is Christian by default, therefore they're the only REAL Trump supporters, and want an echo chamber where they can push their ideals unchallenged. And then if you challenge it, it becomes a persecution complex of "wow you're just trying to silence Christian voices".
I'm sorry, is this ChristianTrumpSupporters.win? No? Oh, okay. So how about they lay the fuck off any non-christians here, and accept that some people will criticize or challenge their posts, threads, replies, etc. But no, the moment you do that, it becomes instantly a commie concern troll who's rejecting their right to exist. If their position is that Christian faith is a de facto requirement for being America-first, and try to stifle any contradiction to that, then they're basically claiming a victory before any debate is had through the bully pulpit.
To put it another way: in those sorts of "I'm a [non-christian] supporter" thread, they will post "well thanks for your support but you're still in bed with Satan unless you come to Christ :)" unchallenged in the replies, and following any of those comment threads you may see someone say something as innocuous as "bro he doesn't believe in Christianity, isn't it enough to support Trump?" And then any even slightly non-christian post is suppressed and angrily decried, the rhetoric about how the US is inherently Christian, etc , starts flying.
Oh, okay, so Christian Trump supporters are welcome and encouraged to shoehorn their ideology anywhere and that's fine, but if we challenge Christianity in any thread, whether the post itself be about their faith or in a comment chain of a secular post, WE'RE the vocal one's going off about our worldviews and "invading their space". Got it.
Alright boss
you do you, ima do me
Always.
Regardless our declaration of independence holds that we are given rights by a higher power than any human and thus are inalienable.
You can still be an atheist and say that your rights are given by a higher power than any person or government even if that means to you the higher power is theoretical.
This 100%! There are way more Atheist Republicans than many people realize.
We get a lot of hate around here sometimes. I can’t make people accept me but I can at least be visible.
I can’t make people do shit. I never said I want to. Sure I’d prefer to be accepted but if someone is against me I’m not going to change that. But I do see it as beneficial that I at least stand up and be counted.
Understood and agree.