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Bluestorm83 17 points ago +19 / -2

And honestly, if there is no concept of "God," even beyond the specific Christian God who I believe in, then there is no source for "rights" beyond what the people commonly assent to. Which creates a situation wherein the majority could lawfully and "rightly" legislate the extermination of the minority.

Without the base assumption that "God" created and granted rights to, let's say, the Floobles, then why NOT put all the Floobles into concentration camps? Floobles cause more problems to the Majority than they're worth, right? Some would say that forced sterilization would be more humane, but to force a Flooble to work for your benefit without being able to pass on his legacy is cruel. Painless euthanasia without any warning would be the best outcome. Minimize costs, minimize cruelty.

Someone once challenged my beliefs, saying to me that if I didn't have Christ, I'd still be a good person, right? I countered that no, no I wouldn't. Because I'm NOT a good person. I'm a person who understands just how bad he is, and how that's unacceptable to a Righteous God, and who gladly, gleefully, avails himself of not only the forgiveness of the Redeemer but of the power that Redeemer offers to be conformed to His image. To BECOME, via Sanctification, a man better than I was and ever closer to His perfection. If I had undeniable proof that none of that is real, then all bets are off, and I'm only living out for ME. And if I'm only living out for ME, then a whole lot, a WHOLE lot of horrible people who offend MY internal sense of right and wrong are going to be relocated to holes in the forest. Because... why not? If I'm not living up to the image of one Greater than I, then I must be the Greatest that is. And if I am the Greatest that is, then my Judgment is absolute.

And the worst thing? That last statement that I wrote there? That is 100% how the Leftist thinks. That there IS no God besides themselves. And that is why and how they presume to lord over us all. They do not put the nation under God because they purport to BE gods.

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inutterable 1 point ago +3 / -2

Well, their "god" is the State, but their incorrect assertion is that they have any real control or say over the Party.

I like your points, and I believe in God and his Son as well. Simply pointing out that the Founders were smarter far beyond the protection of themselves and took into account that there would be oppressed, freedom-seeking individuals who would need this nation and would not be Believers.

In many ways, that may have been one of the greatest examples of Christian outreach in history. "Believe differently than me. I still believe in your rights, and so does my God and Nation."

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tombombadil 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trump is part of “the state” right now. You think they worship Trump? No, they worship themselves and anyone who wishes to further what they believe in.