They enforce the law. If the driver is not giving you probable cause to demand a sobriety test, then you fuck off, ticket them for whatever you pulled them over for, and you leave them alone.
"Not sure what you are designating 'government tech professional industries'"
FBI, CIA. etc. A lot of the professional autists at 4chan, are elite in every single relevant skills category, but you have to pass drug tests and lie detector tests regarding marijuana, before they will hire you. Programmers with aspergers, the best of the best, all smoke weed. And they can't be hired because of it. And that's stupid.
Somehow you're worried that legalizing marijuana will cause problems for officers who already have to perform sobriety checks for drivers under the influence of marijuana? Your big concern, basically, is no change at all. It's already illegal, and it would still be illegal.
"is not all-inclusive for the corporate issue"
And corporations don't need Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris to help them decide to hire people who test positive for marijuana or not.
OK, you seem to be jumping around a fair bit on the roadside stop process so let's give you the scenario and you describe what you think should happen.
Officer observes vehicle crossing the lane demarcation line giving probable cause to initiate a stop for operating a vehicle while impaired. Officer approaches the vehicle and observes pot-related paraphernalia or (even vaguer but equally valid legally) smells marijuana so it is possible the operator was smoking in the vehicle (analogous to alcohol rules). Driver refuses to perform field-sobriety tests for THC intoxication. Officer, having PC for impairment and passive non-compliance by driver, then....<please fill in the blank assuming no accurate roadside testing options and guidelines for intoxication limits>.
The same issue as above applies for corporate employment. Insurance companies will use State and Federal intoxication and abuse guidelines for setting the employee acceptable limits. They may choose a tighter standard if they wish, but ultimately the issue of impairment while working is something that the companies would be looking to the Government standards to define. The current on-site testing is not refined enough to show whether someone has used it at home (i.e. not impaired, a liability risk, or a termination offense) versus the operator of crane/tow-motor/sheet-metal bender/diesel railroad engine who just had an accident at work and might be a legal liability if they cannot test him to determine whether he was intoxicated with a legal substance at the time. That's just the most obvious case of risk.
Corporations with any risk of accidental injury/death, breach of fiduciary responsibility, classified or NDA work requirements, working with children/elderly, medical/pharmacy work, and probably some other insurance risks that I am not thinking of at the moment would default to all having blanket prohibitions against employees engaging in a legal activity during the hours spent outside the company? I.e. any marijuana use anytime which is the current testable standard is grounds for dismissal even though it is a legal substance? First accident/mistake at work for anyone who doesn't consistently piss clean equals automatic termination? Because, otherwise, it appears that they will have the same insurance/bonding/licensing risk issues if they cannot define impairment at the time of any issue.
You've convinced me Braujager. Kamala was right. We should imprison people for marijuana, because DUI laws exist. And, corporate insurance considerations...
(smidge of sarcasm there)
I would rather suffer the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it.
I'll mostly ignore the straw man, but I had hoped for a better quality of argument.
I have pointed out the legal issues that I can see in the body of law that would need resolution before Trump could meaningfully change the status of marijuana to legality. Nothing in my analysis argues for criminality of marijuana, only that the world as we know it establishes limits and simple tests for legal, intoxicating substances in popular use. Making the transition without those established opens up business liabilities and risks of government over-reach larger than you seem to understand if you think of them as 'inconveniences'. I fully encourage and support research into both of those necessary areas to allow legalization of marijuana at the earliest opportunity (for both my philosophical bias and financial benefit).
Oregon and California and Colorado have had no trouble managing it, despite the impotent unenforced federal ban that Trump could erase with an executive order.
If the geniuses who run Oregon and California can manage it, I believe that some how, some way, the rest of America can manage it.
No idea why you're continuing to explain to me that DUI is illegal.
"what does the jurisdiction do*"
They enforce the law. If the driver is not giving you probable cause to demand a sobriety test, then you fuck off, ticket them for whatever you pulled them over for, and you leave them alone.
"Not sure what you are designating 'government tech professional industries'"
FBI, CIA. etc. A lot of the professional autists at 4chan, are elite in every single relevant skills category, but you have to pass drug tests and lie detector tests regarding marijuana, before they will hire you. Programmers with aspergers, the best of the best, all smoke weed. And they can't be hired because of it. And that's stupid.
Somehow you're worried that legalizing marijuana will cause problems for officers who already have to perform sobriety checks for drivers under the influence of marijuana? Your big concern, basically, is no change at all. It's already illegal, and it would still be illegal.
"is not all-inclusive for the corporate issue"
And corporations don't need Nancy Pelosi or Kamala Harris to help them decide to hire people who test positive for marijuana or not.
OK, you seem to be jumping around a fair bit on the roadside stop process so let's give you the scenario and you describe what you think should happen. Officer observes vehicle crossing the lane demarcation line giving probable cause to initiate a stop for operating a vehicle while impaired. Officer approaches the vehicle and observes pot-related paraphernalia or (even vaguer but equally valid legally) smells marijuana so it is possible the operator was smoking in the vehicle (analogous to alcohol rules). Driver refuses to perform field-sobriety tests for THC intoxication. Officer, having PC for impairment and passive non-compliance by driver, then....<please fill in the blank assuming no accurate roadside testing options and guidelines for intoxication limits>.
The same issue as above applies for corporate employment. Insurance companies will use State and Federal intoxication and abuse guidelines for setting the employee acceptable limits. They may choose a tighter standard if they wish, but ultimately the issue of impairment while working is something that the companies would be looking to the Government standards to define. The current on-site testing is not refined enough to show whether someone has used it at home (i.e. not impaired, a liability risk, or a termination offense) versus the operator of crane/tow-motor/sheet-metal bender/diesel railroad engine who just had an accident at work and might be a legal liability if they cannot test him to determine whether he was intoxicated with a legal substance at the time. That's just the most obvious case of risk.
Corporations with any risk of accidental injury/death, breach of fiduciary responsibility, classified or NDA work requirements, working with children/elderly, medical/pharmacy work, and probably some other insurance risks that I am not thinking of at the moment would default to all having blanket prohibitions against employees engaging in a legal activity during the hours spent outside the company? I.e. any marijuana use anytime which is the current testable standard is grounds for dismissal even though it is a legal substance? First accident/mistake at work for anyone who doesn't consistently piss clean equals automatic termination? Because, otherwise, it appears that they will have the same insurance/bonding/licensing risk issues if they cannot define impairment at the time of any issue.
You've convinced me Braujager. Kamala was right. We should imprison people for marijuana, because DUI laws exist. And, corporate insurance considerations...
(smidge of sarcasm there)
I would rather suffer the inconveniences attending too much liberty, than those attending too small a degree of it.
I'll mostly ignore the straw man, but I had hoped for a better quality of argument.
I have pointed out the legal issues that I can see in the body of law that would need resolution before Trump could meaningfully change the status of marijuana to legality. Nothing in my analysis argues for criminality of marijuana, only that the world as we know it establishes limits and simple tests for legal, intoxicating substances in popular use. Making the transition without those established opens up business liabilities and risks of government over-reach larger than you seem to understand if you think of them as 'inconveniences'. I fully encourage and support research into both of those necessary areas to allow legalization of marijuana at the earliest opportunity (for both my philosophical bias and financial benefit).
Oregon and California and Colorado have had no trouble managing it, despite the impotent unenforced federal ban that Trump could erase with an executive order.
If the geniuses who run Oregon and California can manage it, I believe that some how, some way, the rest of America can manage it.
No idea why you're continuing to explain to me that DUI is illegal.