If you aren't willing to risk a minimal fine to defend your rights, you can't claim to be ready for the real fight that is coming.
This is an escalation process. We don't just go from silent majority to 1776. We must progress through the steps and inspire the will to fight in those around us before they will wake up.
Might I suggest a fund created to help pay fines for violations?
Edit: to be clear, I'm not anti-mask. I'm anti-mandate. If you are symptomatic then you should be wearing a mask to prevent transmission.
Furthermore, if you are a cop..
Stop enforcing unconstitutional laws...
If only it were that simple. But the cops are sheep just as much as anyone else. Easier for the cop to enforce the mandate if he is only dealing with 1 or 2 people that disobey. But if 50% of the people in the store are maskless he will be far less likely to feel like he can wield his assumed power.
You can be certain I won't be paying any fine I get from this. And I love legal battles, so bring it on.
Amen
Stop. Putting. Fucking. Periods. After. Every. Fucking. Word.
But. It. Makes. It. More. Impacting. And. Shows. How. Serious. You. Are.
(At least, thats what the kids are saying these days. Right?)
If you are going to wear the mask anyways, then at least make them tell you to put it on.
I avoid eye contact with the person at the door as I am walking in (Walmart).
If they say something, I ignore them as if I don’t hear them.
If they are going to tell me to wear a mask, I make them have to actually work to tell me that I have to wear a mask.
Then, if they tell me to put a mask on, I ask them for a mask.
If they give me a mask, I thank them and continue walking in, then I put the mask in my pocket.
If they continue to follow me and tell me I have to wear a mask, I will pull out my buff if the items I need are important to me.
Don’t be compliant sheep.
Make it so annoying for them that they get tired of trying to enforce the mask.
Or better yet, just go angry wolf eyes on them as you walk in the store. Don't respond when they ask if you need a mask. Just stare them down the entire time with a crazy grin on your face and walk right past them. You are the alpha here, they are your bitch.
I've found that approach usually does the trick. Make 'em question if their $10/hr is worth that particular fight.
Your approach works also. Lol.
To be honest, I’ve only had one person say anything to me about wearing a mask. And even then, all they did was hand me a mask.
Most of these people don’t want the confrontation either.
I don’t
For duck's sake! These people are psychotic!
I went into a 7-11 in VA a few days ago with two State Troopers there getting coffee. I didn't wear a mask when I went in because I didn't think about it. I never think about that shit. I only think about a mask when I am going to sand drywall. The police didn't give any shit that I wasn't wearing a mask. Everybody I know where I live knows that the mask is all bullshit.
I'm not afraid of a few fines. I can pay those.
I'll lose my job due to my employer's personal behavior clause. That's what's keeping many Americans from not wearing masks.
This is my issue too! I will flat out lose my job.
I suppose the question is, where is that line for you? How far can you risk your freedoms being eroded before you are willing to risk losing your job?
I have kids and bills and so I can fully sympathize with your concern.
Serious question: What do you think they'd have to do before you'd say they've crossed a line and you are ready to take that risk?
Great questions! I don’t have all the answers. But I can explain what I am doing.
For our family, the medical benefits I get from work are critical because we are facing a medical crisis and we flat out can’t afford to be without VERY good insurance. We also have aging parents who live nearby who need us so we can’t just move to find new jobs as we used to do.
So how do I oppose tyranny? A million ways. I network. I send money. I red-pill those who are in our social circles who still don’t have a clue. I pray. I shop at places that support my beliefs. And I refuse to where my mask whenever I CAN. But when it comes to work (or church), I do what I must because I can’t afford to lose my job .... or my soul.
Fair enough.
Is this behavior outside of work? Or are you required to wear a mask at work?
Not to be harsh, but it may come to that for many of us. We shouldn't be afraid to risk that if the time comes. But I won't tell you if that time is here for you yet, or not. That's up to you.
I do think there could be room for legal recourse if they were to terminate you. We may need to make this mask thing a religious or political speech issue.
Same. It's been company policy for about two months now to wear a mask on site.
People at work are getting pretty sick (heh) of the company's mandatory mask order, and quite a few of us were starting to become more lax in wearing them. But, the upper management just had a meeting and decided to double-down on the order, and now they're hounding us more often to make sure we're wearing them "properly". It doesn't help that the CEO is a bit of a health freak and a germphobe in the first place, which I think further fueled the establishment of the policy.
I just find the whole thing half-assed and ill-advised; masks have a purpose and can be effective and curbing spread when properly utilized, but forcing employees to wear the same one all day can compromise health more than it helps to stop viral spread.
Especially since we're either given only one disposable, non-N95 mask per day, or we can use our own, which runs the gamut from reusable cloth masks that people rarely wash, to just covering your face with a bandana like a train robber.
I never started. I’ll wear a mask one time, if it means being able to vote.
If they stop me at the door I politely yell, "Heil Hitler" at them with a Nazi salute and go on my way.
Pandering to their idols, smart.
This science on masks should be posted on every related thread on here. This is the U. of Minnesota center for disease research.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
My summary... The new research claiming masks do any good against viruses is flawed. We have a hundred years of actual research showing that masks don't work at best and harm at worst. Oh, and we're putting in here that we support mask mandates (of the masks that we also say are ineffective) so we don't get protested and we are sponsored by 3M.
I live in LA and go out for 5 mile walks every day without a mask. I'd say about 70% of people wear masks around here. I get a lot of dirty looks but I don't give a fuck. Lots of idiots wearing entire face shields while driving ALONE in their vehicles as well. This place is full of goddamn idiots.
Good lord. These people need serious attention.
Bless you! This is what I tell everyone. This nightmare won't end until WE END IT. I don't wear a mask and I'm supposed to in order to enter any public place. They are not going to fine you or arrest you because all the covid crap is UNENFORCEABLE. Let's get the Hundredth Monkey going here guys!
There's nothing more offensive to them than my ugly, non-compliant mug. Believe me.
The key to this is to rally and all go do your groceries together. It's much harder to kick out 35 shoppers then 1. Unless you have some sort of wall. Just ask Trump.
I live in a mandatory mask state and I don't wear them. Our local police chief and county sheriff have both said they will not respond to 911 calls about people not wearing masks, they have more important things to handle. So I have little to worry about in the way of fines. I have had 2 store employees so far say something to me about not wearing a mask and I just say to them "I know you have to tell me that" and then just keep on with my business. So far no one has asked me to mask up or leave the store, but if they did I would put the mask on. I look at it as the same as the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" signs - it's their store and have that right to require it. As far as the effectiveness of masks, I say bullshit. Many of the masks sold have disclaimers on the packaging that says they are not effective in preventing the spread of covid19, so the manufacturers know they are useless. They are just symbolic. I'm old enough to remember having air raid drills in school where we had to hide under our desks in case of a nuclear attack, as if that would do any good! The teachers and all the adults knew it was totally useless, but the point was to make us kids "feel" somehow safer and therefore less anxious about a nuclear attack. I believe the mask mandate is similar, designed to make the public "feel" safer, nothing more nothing less.
You can also refuse to patronize businesses or communities where they've become hyper anal about it, which is what I've been doing.
Already have a personal blacklist.
I went to but my children some ice cream the other day at a chain restaurant. The snide (probably antifa) chick at the counter told us to GTFO even after I told her that I had a medical exemption. So I gladly took my kids down to a local shop down the block and the owner served us up some delicious dairy.
I left her a $20 tip for a $10 purchase. She was probably in her 60's and I was heartbroken to hear how she can barely keep the lights on, her PPP money just ran out, she hasn't taken a paycheck for herself this year, she has told her employees to prepare for the worst, and burned up her entire retirement account just to pay wages. She made her last rent payment on the building but won't be able to pay next month.
What these evil politicians are doing to our country (with our consent) right now has kindled a deep rage in me and I am no longer going to be a gray man.
I wear it at places that require it to shop and provide free ones (seems like Walmart is the only one around here)
Why?
You should just go in anyway as a symbol of protected civil protest. Many places used to have signs that said "whites only" and the way they fought it was by violating that corporate policy.
To some extent I believe old people should do this during flu season or anyone who wants to take less chances getting sick.
It's dumb but I needed to get some stuff from there, I wear the same mask for 10 hours a day (work in a medical facility) and went there on my break
I'm not anti-mask, just anti-mandate. I've spent many years working in OR's and ICU's and I know there are appropriate times to wear one. But unless it is N95 it won't protect you as a preventative measure. If you are high risk you should really just avoid contact with anyone showing signs of illness or limit going into public places when possible.
The only time that wearing a mask makes any real sense is when you are actively sick and showing symptoms. For example, I had a cold a few weeks ago and so I wore a mask to prevent spreading the illness. That is okay with me. But forcing this mandate on us is a serious erosion of our liberties and causing irreversible psychological harm to our nation.
Easier said than done when it will end your career.
I have a state wide mask mandate, a Mask at work mandate and a temperature/facial recognition scanner at work. I have yet to wear a mask during any of this bs. No one has said shit at any store or at work, and if they do, I have asthma and Jesus is my mask, if they can’t see that, they don’t have enough faith and need Jesus is their lives.
I wear one- don't want the store to get in trouble. And I don't want the headache of a possible confrontation. I have a warrant and beating the shit out of someone while it's active isn't a good idea- working on getting it taken care of. Too bad I'm not a rioter, looter, or violent protestor. Then I wouldn't have anything to worry about with regards to the legal system.
Edit: downvoting faggots early tonight or the no mask people acting just like the mask Karens?
I didn’t for a long time. But if a owner of a business wants me to, I guess it’s their business and they make the rules. I have to respect that. I also have the choice to not go there if I want. If we are going respect a guy for who he wants to bake a cake for, ill respect a guy who wants me to wear a mask even if it’s for a fairy tale.
Unfortunately, in San Antonio- there's not much of a choice. Again, I only give a shit about the penalties to the businesses and that's what these sick fucks (mostly elected) counted on. If the mandates were personal fines- I wouldn't give a fuck.
I say make em pay and then they might get on the backs of their politician buddies to end this bs.
I agree. My problem is government making the rules for citizens and business owners alike. It’s a clear over reach. In my area lots of businesses were making their own rules before the mandates, and they were reasonable. If left up to the people, for the most part people will do the right thing. Reasonable precautions that would make sense in any cold/ flu season.
I understand the sentiment.
But I do want to ask this question:
How is this different than the stores that used to have signs at their entrance that said "whites only"? Would you use your same logic in that case?
I mean I suppose so. The signs were a product of the times. Once society shifted, so did the signage. I see your point. It’s a dynamic situation I guess.
I'm just so sick of the brainwashing and the damage this is doing to my children.
I couldn’t agree more with that. It’s pathetic.
To the same point, it took people protesting the signs for society to make the change. I don’t see enough people openly protesting masks via non compliance like we read in history books about segregation. It would also require at least some businesses to be “non mask friendly” for it to all work, much like the civil rights era too. I don’t see any businesses with the balls to risk fines or losing their licenses here in west Michigan.
Right so I can’t go into any store from now on until (((covid))) is over?
Calm down, faggot. I only wear it where it’s mandatory.
I go in anyway, even with the unconstitutional mandate.
But feel free to rat on your neighbor jews like a good little nazi. After all, you are only doing it because it is the law. You wouldn't want to miss out on your rations.
I'm not willing to risk a fine for someone else. Harming others for your political beliefs is commie shit. You'll never catch me wearing one outside a business that can be fined for my actions though.
I'm tossed on this one. Walmart has the money to pay and if they get hit with enough fines they might use some of that money and their army of lawyers to sway the politicians that they control.
Harming others? What?
They fine the business and the person in my area.
They say they do in IL too, but LEO do not actually enforce it. Would be interesting to see the specific order and the text that outlines exemptions.
unfortunately in MD we can not even enter stores without one on.
I live in a place with a mandate and I've never worn a mask. Nobody has ever said anything to me other than "If you aren't doing it, neither am I"
The store employees say as I walk in, "Sir, you need to have a mask!" and I say, "No thank you." Then I continue moving on with my business.
Most of these mandates if you actually read them have exceptions in them.
All that being said, taking appropriate precautions and practicing proper hygiene around those who are most vulnerable is always recommended. You wouldn't visit your grandmother in a nursing home if you had any flu-like symptoms, would you?
When people tell me I have to wear a mask I just give them a friendly smile and say "Thanks" and carry on. Just stay cordial and respectful and continue moving toward your objective with purposfull drive (checking out, shopping, etc.)
Just pick a store and walk in one day without a mask. We believe in you bud
this is exactly my point. I too live in a mandatory mask state. But none of this is going away unless we start pushing back.
That's the entire point of being willing to face fines. The fight is worth it and it might actually help a few of us work out our non-compliance muscles. Conservatives are generally law-abiding and breaking the rules can be difficult for many of us, myself included.
But I've got news for you, this fight is coming to our door whether we want it or not. We might as well practice with the small things now before we have to face the bigger challenges.
Bigger fish to fry than the mask debate, in my humble opinion. It's literally one of the easiest things in the world to do to put one on so it doesn't bother me personally. I'm sure this will get a negative response here, which is fine. I just don't think it's that big of a deal to wear one.
Each to their own is my stance, I'm not going to criticize you for it, I'm simply against the mandates and hysteria surrounding it.
It’s not about whether it’s a big deal or not to wear one, it’s about the principle of forcing people TO wear one. If you don’t give people a choice, you’re going to get pushback. Prohibition never works.
That's fine, I just find it just as obnoxious to tell people not to wear masks as it is to tell people to wear them. Wear them if you want. Don't wear them if you don't want. There are just way more important things, the masks are symbolic I guess of oppression but the shut downs and riots, among other things, are far worse.