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solomonwiebe 2 points ago +4 / -2

Many Christians fail to realize that it is not the states job to enforce morality, only justice on the laws made by that nation. Morality and law become incongruous with each other if church and state are separated. See abortion. We are not a Christian nation and I will not force my morality on you because it's not my place to judge. The downvoters of your comment can kindly fuck a goat.

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horseface_aint_black 6 points ago +6 / -0

Poppycock. It is the states job to punish evildoing which is a moral judgement. Laws flow out of natural law which is a moral code (no murder, no steal, essentially no harm neighbor). As communism is embraced, government gets divorced from natural law, and you get crazy shit like progressive taxes, no punishing looters, racial preferences, totalitarian compliance, hate speech, etc. These always result in widespread oppression and economic collapse.

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solomonwiebe 1 point ago +1 / -0

So you think it's better for the state to control what people do rather than their free will? There are consequences of course. If people try to rob me they'll get shot. I guess I like civilian justice more than state justice because it actually represents me. Ive had taxation without representation my entire life. God himself allowed you the free will to either repent or continue in your life of sin. You should allow others the same freedom.

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horseface_aint_black 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes. The state must punish robbers, murderers, and rapists. If they didn't, you'd see everything taken over by warlords with small armies. No armed individual can defend against an armed gang. If evildoers can steal and murder with impunity, it would be a bloodbath. If you had anything of value, youd be ambushed and killed by a gang. Masked intruders would storm your house in the night, gang rape your wife and children and slit your throat. Your only hope would be paying the gang protection money to serve as quasi-law.

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solomonwiebe 1 point ago +1 / -0

Whereas right now currently im paying the gang and the unrest is still there.

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solomonwiebe 1 point ago +1 / -0

I support your free will to sin, although I do not support the sin itself. There is a difference. There are always consequences.