Best entry level that you can easily upgrade would probably be the Ruger Precision rifle. I started out with a Remington 700 in .308.
This is a Terminus Action, DMR cut Bartlein barrel in 6mm Creedmoor, MPA Competition stock, and some area 419 goodies.
Cheers
That's .5 moa at 1200m if I remember correctly 1 moa is around a 1 inch group at 100 yards. So that thing is shooting .01 moa groups at 100 yards basically punching holes thru holes, If the shooter posses the skill. Which is usually the limiting factor with a precision rifle.
MOA is an angular measurement consistent across all distances, assuming a perfect shooter making perfectcalls on wind and other environmental variables. Visualise a long cone, curved to match trajectory, extending from the muzzle of the weapon. A cross section of a 0.5MOA cone of fire at 1200yds would place all shots inside a circle just over 6" in diameter. A cross section of that same 0.5MOA cone at 100yds is a circle just over 0.5" in diameter. 0.01MOA isn't really doable outside of specialized benchrest competitions with solidly mounted rifles where the human element is almost entirely removed as a variable.
For quick math in public, an MOA is 1 inch per 100 yards. This falls apart when the yardage grows, however, because an MOA is mathematically calculated at 1.047 inches per 100 yards.
I can neither confirm nor deny any of your commentary except to say that equipment will be cleaned soon.
Make sure you get the solvents and the cloths ready.
Ammo is going to be a premium exactly when you need it. So good luck.
There was a show recently, I did my part, got what I came for. By the Way, when the Virginia Gun Protest was getting ready, the FBI (which is really the CIA) bought all the night vision goggles in Virginia with Our Tax Money.
I bought a Steiner T5xi-3-15x50 around Christmas to put on a precision setup to be determined yet. Right now it's sitting on my AR and I'm developing 77gr loads for it. Nice glass is a must if you are working on precision.
Yeah this is my fourth optic, I really wish I would have done the buy once cry once approach. But I did get to hide one from my wife for another build.
Yeah, I've done the hiding thing as well. Only, now she supports the hell out of my shooting addiction and is getting into firearms as well.
Look for massive deals on optics around the end of December. Folks have usually blown most of their money on the Black Friday sales and, once Christmas is over, you can find a steal. I got $700.00 off of MSRP on the Steiner plus a free mount of my choice ($250.00).
Hopefully someone who actually knows about this can chime in, but I think the caliber round is very important for precision/long distance. Something like .308 or 6.5 creedmoor is probably the go to, but you can do your own research on the best rounds for distance/precision. From my own research I think 1000$ is standard for a decent rifle in something like 6.5 creedmoor. What's most important is probably just getting something and practicing to introduce yourself, then reevaluate from there.
Go with 6.5 creedmoor to start would be my recommendation, fantastic starting caliber that will get you out to any distance needed. Be ready to spend twice what you paid for the rifle for your optic though.
Years ago I got a nice blueprinted Remington 700 in 300 win mag, guy built it but then wanted something else. Recently a friend gave me a nice stock for it (it was bedded into a McMillian before, now an Accuracy international). Need to re zero it this fall, when it is cooler....
Fantastic round, depends on the point of use. You would not be able to shoot steel at a competition with .338 though. The main use of this platform is a competition rifle.
You could buy a new, off-the-shelf Remington 700 or a Ruger Precision Rifle (on sale) for under $1,000. However, you'll still have to pony up for an optic. IMO if you want to stay cost effective, look for deals on Votex glass. They're not the most bombproof scopes out there, but they are certainly capable and come with a lifetime warranty.
I bought a Bergara HMR Pro in 6.5CM on sale in 2018 for $1250.00. It shot a 3/8" group on its first box of Hornady 147gr Match ammo, and regularly shoots under 0.5MOA on any given day with a shitty scope.
You can find the HMR version (non-Pro) going for under $1K. They come with the same fantastic barrels as the HMR Pro, just without a few of the upgrades...like Bergara Premium Receiver, Cerakote barrel, TriggerTech trigger, etc....
Bergara has an excellent reputation for accurate barrels that don't break the bank. Also, the HMR Pro comes with an adjustable TriggerTech trigger that has zero creep and breaks like glass.
Really good point. I feel like AR 10 platforms are the way to go when considering a long gun. You’ll get around 85-90% of the distance and add the ability to do the medium and short range work.
An accurate .308 carbine topped with a good 1-8x or 1-10x optic is an excellent general purpose weapon. Will be useable even if not optimal for almost any situation where one would use a rifle. Something like the LMT MWS is the modern day "scout rifle".
Yes thumb rest. Putting your thumb on that side gives you more consistent trigger pulls. It also allows you to grab the bolt faster when resting your thumb on that side of the grip.
Cheers
Edit: Nope I am right handed and shoot right. 6mm Creedmoor.
When you need to say hello from really far away🇺🇸
Well done pede!
When you want to say hello without them knowing.
FTFY
Best entry level that you can easily upgrade would probably be the Ruger Precision rifle. I started out with a Remington 700 in .308. This is a Terminus Action, DMR cut Bartlein barrel in 6mm Creedmoor, MPA Competition stock, and some area 419 goodies. Cheers
What's your effective range with this, with a good grouping?
This is my competition rifle, I have personally taken this out to 1200 yards. Groups under half MOA all day if I do my part correctly.
Holy shit .5 moa is insane
That's .5 moa at 1200m if I remember correctly 1 moa is around a 1 inch group at 100 yards. So that thing is shooting .01 moa groups at 100 yards basically punching holes thru holes, If the shooter posses the skill. Which is usually the limiting factor with a precision rifle.
MOA is an angular measurement consistent across all distances, assuming a perfect shooter making perfectcalls on wind and other environmental variables. Visualise a long cone, curved to match trajectory, extending from the muzzle of the weapon. A cross section of a 0.5MOA cone of fire at 1200yds would place all shots inside a circle just over 6" in diameter. A cross section of that same 0.5MOA cone at 100yds is a circle just over 0.5" in diameter. 0.01MOA isn't really doable outside of specialized benchrest competitions with solidly mounted rifles where the human element is almost entirely removed as a variable.
ETA: The sort of rifles that produce 0.01MOA groups can be seen here, for those not familiar: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/unlimited-class-rail-guns-the-epitome-of-precision/
Whole different ballgame, and not so useful for the other practical applications a PRS gun has.
Yep I get it. It's dispersion not group size at x yard.
It’s a matter of radians sir.
.5 moa at 1200y is about 6 inches. At 100 it’s closer to .5 inches.
For quick math in public, an MOA is 1 inch per 100 yards. This falls apart when the yardage grows, however, because an MOA is mathematically calculated at 1.047 inches per 100 yards.
At 1200 yards, 0.5 MOA is about 6.3 inches.
Ok dork
Almost .7 mile. Damn! Nice bench, too
1200 yards is considering ideal conditions.
I think a lot of it will be like Stalingrad 2.0, about 100 yards or less.
Whenever someone asks how far can you shoot, I say it depends, what is the wind like?
Even around hard cover?
C'MON, MAN!
I'm guessing as soon as you dial in, and the first guy drops, the rest (if wise) should scatter.
In any case, once the other side learns to harden vehicles, you'll need bigger hardware.
Next Sunday gun day I will post something that hits a little harder.
Ton of info out there on building. This Terminus action allows me to swap barrels myself, so building or changing caliber is really pretty easy.
I've somewhat looked into it, its overwhelming as fuck. Good question
Being or becoming a competent machinist is a good start. Having a lathe and a milling machine is good too.
You won't build something this precise yourself. The tolerances are so tight with precision rifles your better off buying one.
Unless your willing to spring for lazer alignment equipment and a shop full of tooling and machines, just buy one.
I can neither confirm nor deny any of your commentary except to say that equipment will be cleaned soon.
Make sure you get the solvents and the cloths ready.
Ammo is going to be a premium exactly when you need it. So good luck.
There was a show recently, I did my part, got what I came for. By the Way, when the Virginia Gun Protest was getting ready, the FBI (which is really the CIA) bought all the night vision goggles in Virginia with Our Tax Money.
What optic is that?
It looks like a Vortex 1-10, but I can't really tell from this angle.
Vortex razor HD Gen 2 4.5-27.
That's awesome!
I bought a Steiner T5xi-3-15x50 around Christmas to put on a precision setup to be determined yet. Right now it's sitting on my AR and I'm developing 77gr loads for it. Nice glass is a must if you are working on precision.
Yeah this is my fourth optic, I really wish I would have done the buy once cry once approach. But I did get to hide one from my wife for another build.
Guns and stuff are really cool, but can you teach me the art of hiding things from my wife?
😂
Yeah, I've done the hiding thing as well. Only, now she supports the hell out of my shooting addiction and is getting into firearms as well.
Look for massive deals on optics around the end of December. Folks have usually blown most of their money on the Black Friday sales and, once Christmas is over, you can find a steal. I got $700.00 off of MSRP on the Steiner plus a free mount of my choice ($250.00).
I couldn't pass that deal up.
I too have a T5 series Steiner. Awesome glass.
I have the same brake, I love it
419 is the best.
Hopefully someone who actually knows about this can chime in, but I think the caliber round is very important for precision/long distance. Something like .308 or 6.5 creedmoor is probably the go to, but you can do your own research on the best rounds for distance/precision. From my own research I think 1000$ is standard for a decent rifle in something like 6.5 creedmoor. What's most important is probably just getting something and practicing to introduce yourself, then reevaluate from there.
Go with 6.5 creedmoor to start would be my recommendation, fantastic starting caliber that will get you out to any distance needed. Be ready to spend twice what you paid for the rifle for your optic though.
Cost more to shoot and precision shooting requires you to send a lot of ammo down range
Once the rifle is done it gets better, But I have spent an unholy amount of money on this sport.
Preach brother. I’m probably at least 10k into my RELOADING bench.
I don’t even want to think about my custom rifles.
PRS can definitely be a money pit. But hey, we're coming out cheap compared to the hot rod guys, right?
Yep, and you walk away with a valuable skill set.
Years ago I got a nice blueprinted Remington 700 in 300 win mag, guy built it but then wanted something else. Recently a friend gave me a nice stock for it (it was bedded into a McMillian before, now an Accuracy international). Need to re zero it this fall, when it is cooler....
What do you think about a .338 Lapua?
Fantastic round, depends on the point of use. You would not be able to shoot steel at a competition with .338 though. The main use of this platform is a competition rifle.
Just interested. Never shot at long distance.
Shooting steel at distance becomes addicting fast.
Sir, if you’re interested in learning long range shooting I’d consider something in the 6-6.5mm class built on a short action.
338 is a hell of a gun, if you’re inexperienced at shooting long range precision you’ll do yourself more harm than good.
It’s cheaper and easier to learn on something like the 6.5 creedmoor and a lot less punishing.
Great advice, ‘pede.
I’ve shot at like 250-300 yds. Mostly 5.56 stuff. Thanks for the advice 👍🏼👌🏻🇺🇸
You could buy a new, off-the-shelf Remington 700 or a Ruger Precision Rifle (on sale) for under $1,000. However, you'll still have to pony up for an optic. IMO if you want to stay cost effective, look for deals on Votex glass. They're not the most bombproof scopes out there, but they are certainly capable and come with a lifetime warranty.
I bought a Bergara HMR Pro in 6.5CM on sale in 2018 for $1250.00. It shot a 3/8" group on its first box of Hornady 147gr Match ammo, and regularly shoots under 0.5MOA on any given day with a shitty scope.
You can find the HMR version (non-Pro) going for under $1K. They come with the same fantastic barrels as the HMR Pro, just without a few of the upgrades...like Bergara Premium Receiver, Cerakote barrel, TriggerTech trigger, etc....
Bergara has an excellent reputation for accurate barrels that don't break the bank. Also, the HMR Pro comes with an adjustable TriggerTech trigger that has zero creep and breaks like glass.
Look up the reviews. 10/10 would buy again.
Twang and Bang Review
HMR PRO in 6CM Review
Check out the Precision rifle series and come get in the game. ;-)
I'm looking too, just have a few things to dump $$ into first: mainly, my wonderful wife.
I have the HMR and love it. Sweet shooting rifle.
I have no Regrats.
Bergara makes me look like a skilled assassin. Thank you Bergara.
Rule no. 1: use the right tool for the job.
When you want to reach out and really touch someone...from 1200 yards.
Really good point. I feel like AR 10 platforms are the way to go when considering a long gun. You’ll get around 85-90% of the distance and add the ability to do the medium and short range work.
Here is an interesting and pragmatic approach.. anyone else want to weigh in on this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YciXrmZF9nc $4,500
An accurate .308 carbine topped with a good 1-8x or 1-10x optic is an excellent general purpose weapon. Will be useable even if not optimal for almost any situation where one would use a rifle. Something like the LMT MWS is the modern day "scout rifle".
Very sweet! I'm envious of you guys who have access to longer ranges.
It sure would be a shame if this had to fall in the lake.
Ew, wet beef flaps was not what i wanted to envision.
B E A UUUUU TIFUL!!!!
Ewwwwwwwww, ahhhhhhhhhhhh 👍🏼🇺🇸
Adjustable Beauty indeed...
I pieced it all together over time which helped, but a little over 6k.
Thank you, Vortex Razor HD Gen 2, 4.5-27
Shorter turret makes me think it’s a Razor HD Gen II.
It's so pretty, I want one!
Good Lawd...
Nice AR Pistol!!
I have that same mat. :)
She’s a beauty!
Sweet! Doing a custom Aero Precision in 6.5 creedmoor right now.
🤤
daaaaamn friday movie meme
Are you trying to make my whoop wiggle? because that's how you make my whoop wiggle....
My next goal is a gunsmithing setup like this. I want to build an AR myself.
If only jigs weren't 8 weeks backordered...I can't wait eight whole weeks!
Stop stop my penis can only get so erect
Holy shit phuq, i want your shop :)
Its my office. ;-)
That's what i'm tawkin bout HAHA
Reach out and 👏reach out and👏 reach out and touch some-bodies yeah.
What's the function of that extension on the right side of the pistol grip? Is that just a thumb rest? It looks like it does something else too.
Edit: If a thumb rest, that would make you a lefty?
Also, 6.5 creedmore?
Yes thumb rest. Putting your thumb on that side gives you more consistent trigger pulls. It also allows you to grab the bolt faster when resting your thumb on that side of the grip. Cheers Edit: Nope I am right handed and shoot right. 6mm Creedmoor.
Nice MPA.
drool
Nice! Looks like the Mossberg MVP LC. I know it's not, but it's the closest comparable rifle to that.
Ooh that thing's sexy!
Nothing precise about that framing hammer (although props for choosing Estwing). Lmao jokes aside that’s perty.
Is that an RPR? What caliber are you shooting out of that long gun?
This barrel is chambered in 6mm creedmoor. Though the barrel can be spun off and another caliber unit can be spun on with little work.