The ultra-refinement leaves it extremely susceptible to oxidation which, in addition to the fatty acid profile, makes it (along with other seed oils) incredibly unhealthy.
All our space detection is based on light, UFO tech could easily mess with their light signatures to fool our systems. When it comes to just objects we rely on them blocking or reflecting light from stars. Since we can’t adequately map the two asteroid fields in out solar system, my guess is this asteroid is already extremely close in galactic terms.
I have always believed that aliens are out there. It's virtually impossible that they aren't, given the size of this universe. But I never really believed they would bother with us. I recently saw someone do the math on this, don't remember who. May have been DeGrasse Tyson or someone, doesn't matter who. It goes like this.
Our world has existed for 4,500,000,000 years. Advanced primates have existed for about 1,000,000, and "advanced" is only a relative term.
Civilization has existed for around 10,000 years out of 4,500,000,000. That's a very short window.
Now look into the scope of the universe. We are one star out of somewhere between 100-400 BILLION stars in the galaxy. I said galaxy, not universe. There are possibly billions of galaxies as well. We're getting up into quintillions of possible planets now.
Of which we are ONE (1).
Now look at the scale of the universe. It takes light itself 8 minutes to get just from our sun to our planet. It takes it several hours to get to our outer planets. It takes 4+ years to get to our closes neighboring star. The galactic center is 100,000 years away.
So, if we were to travel at the speed of light (a limit which we have no way to come anywhere close to), we would still have to travel for TEN TIMES the length of recorded history before we reach even the center of our own galaxy.
Put another way, it would take another spacefaring civilization that amount of time to travel to the center of their galaxy, and that assumes no stops along the way.
Now imagine that we have magical future technology that allows aliens to travel instantaneously, removing travel time. Imagine they have tech that allows them to pop out of "warp" and then just push a button to scan all the planets in a system for civilization. Imagine that also has no travel time and only takes 10 seconds to do. Imagine that the aliens then only analyze that data for another 50 seconds before moving on.
If we assume that the aliens are scanning a new star system once every minute, and we assume the lower estimate on star count at 100 billion for our galaxy, it takes them 190,258 years to fully scan the Milky Way.
190 thousand years.
Now, obviously they aren't going to send out just one ship. Let's say they send out 1,000 ships and none of them ever scan the same star. Now we're cut down to 190 years of exploration.
That sounds more reasonable, right?
Until you remember that's just the Milky Way.
And then you have to think back to the amount of time we have existed on this planet.
For aliens to have found us, we have to assume not only that our civilizations exist at the same time, that instantaneous travel and scanning are possible, that their ships are doing so non-stop for centuries, and finally...that they didn't already scan our planet 20,000 years ago and log it as having no intelligent life.
The aliens are out there. Or they were. Or they will be. Or maybe we're the aliens. It doesn't matter, though. The odds of their existence approach certainty.
The odds that we will ever encounter them are literally astronomically low.
Well the big question is how many societies fail after 10000 years because of Democrats?
Now throw in the Marxist aliens and their blm protests. How many of them manage to escape the death spiral following these groups cause.
If history repeats than we may be pretty damn sure alien civilizations will have some of the same struggles we have and potentially self destruction is the way of civilizations
I like to think that all civs eventually have to make a choice between freedom and safety. Basically you either become the the idealistic and adventurous Federation or the safety-in-numbers Borg. Sometimes, the civs get destroyed in the final confrontation between the paradigms.
Hey fellow astro geek...really nice analysis, but it's full of questionable assumptions. (Also Neil Tyson is a tool.)
One big one is that you're assuming that the alien civ would remain a constant size. But a civ that had practical interstellar travel would begin expanding exponentially. I read a calculation once that said given FTL, a civilization would only take only 10,000 years to totally colonize a galaxy.
Another big assumption is the limited temporal recognition window. Who says they'd only scan or visit once? What if outposts managed sections of the galaxy like a forest service? What if the dinosaurs were interesting enough to set up an automated monitoring station?
It's the other way around, in fact. Life is so impossibly hard to generate that every quark in the universe could be dedicated to the computational resources required to acquire life from non-life and it still wouldn't be anywhere close to producing the most simple living organism by the heat death of the universe.
Galactic Center is roughly 30,000 LY from earth btw. Otherwise I tend to agree with your point.
Lets imagine that we are the space faring species and we happen upon a primitive "by our space faring civilization standards" society. And lets assume our main reason to go to the stars is expansion and resource acquisition. (I can't think of any more besides exploration that comes with both anyway)
If we went to the occupied planet the local population would invariable put up some kind of fight. Even if we look past the moral failings we would invaraibly have at wiping the natives out, it would obviously cost some amount of resources to deal with. Why expend those resources when you can just go to next star over that doesn't have a native population that would fight back?
Resource acquisition is 2 fold problem. 1st problem is exact same as above but heck even without figure that into account gravity itself just stat4es it's easier to get resources out of Oort cloud or asteroid belt then off a planet that has extra gravity that you would need to expend fuel to escape. Simple economics says that if you have 2 gold bars, one you can pick up by hand the other you need to have huge machines to reach, picking the one up by hand is more cost effective.
Aliens probably all around us, it's just not worth their time to interact with us. Sure you hear stories about people getting abducted every now and then. Us as humans also go tip cows every now and then. Same thing, just some punk alien playing with the primitives.
It's like encountering other human societies. Every time we interact with them, one of two things happen.
Either 1) we offer them a better way and they do their stupid savage bullshit and eventually we have to shoot them, and then history vilifies us for all time, or 2) we leave them to remain savages, and they build a mythology about how all of their savage idiot problems are our fault, and they do their stupid savage bullshit, but now our own population won't just let us shoot them, and we're locked into a eternity with the middle east as our fucking problem, somehow.
So even beyond the Resource problem, they're (we're, in the case of any other space nation meeting us,) idiotic savages who just aren't worth the effort.
Fun fact: when the first Euro explorers first starting checking out African states, they found that several tribes were eating each other. Sir Richard Burton (not the actor) an Englishman scholar & explorer who could speak 25 languages, was the first European to enter Muslim city in Harar In Africa without being executed.
They were absolute savages back then. Seems not much has changed today...
This. First Contact is something that should terrify us. A civilization capable of practical interstellar travel is as far beyond us as our current civilization is beyond chimps using sticks as tools. Historically, such contacts never end well for the more primitive society.
As I've said many times, they are devil worshippers. No amount of dead and suffering is enough for them. But don't you worry, they won't destroy the world, they'll rule it's ashes before our Lord comes down and judges us all.
I used to wonder why Satan would ever start a war against a God with infinite intelligence and ability. What I've seen in American politics in the last five years has made it clear: resentment is the most powerful force in the universe, except for love.
I mean, they did try to manufacture a recession with this virus bs. They even wished it months prior to the global lockdown and quarantine. And we're still too nice
That's what happens when you corner a rat long enough. It resorts to violence. During the last moments of any type of life, a scorched earth policy is adopted.
it's so small that- unless it's mostly comprised of tungsten, tantalum, or molybdenum ores- it'll in all likelihood be a small cloud of diffuse particles once it reaches the surface
wow they really got us this time
oh, yeah- it has about a 3% chance of a 1% chance of actually entering our atmosphere. the "party of science," ladies and gentlemen
i want meteorite insurance. at this point, there's approximately nothing that can protect her or her friends- insurance, otherwise, fictional, or what have you
So many 2016 vibes in 2020. The celebrity deaths. The libs hoping for an asteroid to make it all go away. The incompetent, unhealthy Dem candidate hiding from voters. The nastiness of the DNC and their comrades in the media. The irrepressible Trump support bubbling up in all kinds of ways - spontaneous, grassroots rallies, boat parades, car parades, homemade signage as far as the eye can see.
What's different: Extended riots. The China virus and attendant lockdowns and school closures. The much greater level of violence and desperation from the Dems. The fact that our guy is the incumbent now instead of the evil Obama. No big Trump rallies - but see above for expressions of Trump support.
Why are they so desperate? Because the red wave is about to hit them in the face.
They say it’s no big deal because it only has a 0.4% of impact. There’s something else that has only a 0.4% chance or killing you but that’s worth shutting down the world over.
If you've got a telescope looking at some distant star (I'm talking one of the millions you can't see with the naked eye) and suddenly it goes dim like something's in the way, it might be because something's in the way. Then you just track the occlusion of other cosmological objects around it to see if there's actually an object there.
Apparently people look for that car Elon Musk shot into space. That's not too much bigger. (It's got some weird solar orbit I think.) I think you just need a powerful telescope.
yeah it's 6ft wide and if it does actually enter our atmosphere it won't survive. It'll burn up shortly after entry
And that Democrats cheat every election
It's like that one saying: Death, Taxes, and raping children. Not inevitable things in life, but things that the democrats do incredibly consistently.
Yes. Glyphosate, Hydrogenated oil, and high fructose corn syrup. Quite deadly but oh so damn delicious.
I know about glyphosate being a carcinogen but do you have links for the other two?
Seed oils, processed grains and sugar. The three ingredients for horrible health.
This is how rapeseed (aka canola) oil is made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6DR_KWDoXU
The ultra-refinement leaves it extremely susceptible to oxidation which, in addition to the fatty acid profile, makes it (along with other seed oils) incredibly unhealthy.
Ty, will watch soon.
Mmmm canola oil. Yum. Not processed at all!
I see what you did there !
That username🤣🤣🤣
Wow. Updoot for you fine sir. Kek
I was gonna post this, too. God damn it all.
Rock don't have advanced alien radar avoidance technology.
Not definitely know. Definitely know IF they are.
All our space detection is based on light, UFO tech could easily mess with their light signatures to fool our systems. When it comes to just objects we rely on them blocking or reflecting light from stars. Since we can’t adequately map the two asteroid fields in out solar system, my guess is this asteroid is already extremely close in galactic terms.
Or they DEFINITELY know there aren’t any UFOs.
I have always believed that aliens are out there. It's virtually impossible that they aren't, given the size of this universe. But I never really believed they would bother with us. I recently saw someone do the math on this, don't remember who. May have been DeGrasse Tyson or someone, doesn't matter who. It goes like this.
Our world has existed for 4,500,000,000 years. Advanced primates have existed for about 1,000,000, and "advanced" is only a relative term.
Civilization has existed for around 10,000 years out of 4,500,000,000. That's a very short window.
Now look into the scope of the universe. We are one star out of somewhere between 100-400 BILLION stars in the galaxy. I said galaxy, not universe. There are possibly billions of galaxies as well. We're getting up into quintillions of possible planets now.
Of which we are ONE (1).
Now look at the scale of the universe. It takes light itself 8 minutes to get just from our sun to our planet. It takes it several hours to get to our outer planets. It takes 4+ years to get to our closes neighboring star. The galactic center is 100,000 years away.
So, if we were to travel at the speed of light (a limit which we have no way to come anywhere close to), we would still have to travel for TEN TIMES the length of recorded history before we reach even the center of our own galaxy.
Put another way, it would take another spacefaring civilization that amount of time to travel to the center of their galaxy, and that assumes no stops along the way.
Now imagine that we have magical future technology that allows aliens to travel instantaneously, removing travel time. Imagine they have tech that allows them to pop out of "warp" and then just push a button to scan all the planets in a system for civilization. Imagine that also has no travel time and only takes 10 seconds to do. Imagine that the aliens then only analyze that data for another 50 seconds before moving on.
If we assume that the aliens are scanning a new star system once every minute, and we assume the lower estimate on star count at 100 billion for our galaxy, it takes them 190,258 years to fully scan the Milky Way.
190 thousand years.
Now, obviously they aren't going to send out just one ship. Let's say they send out 1,000 ships and none of them ever scan the same star. Now we're cut down to 190 years of exploration.
That sounds more reasonable, right?
Until you remember that's just the Milky Way.
And then you have to think back to the amount of time we have existed on this planet.
For aliens to have found us, we have to assume not only that our civilizations exist at the same time, that instantaneous travel and scanning are possible, that their ships are doing so non-stop for centuries, and finally...that they didn't already scan our planet 20,000 years ago and log it as having no intelligent life.
The aliens are out there. Or they were. Or they will be. Or maybe we're the aliens. It doesn't matter, though. The odds of their existence approach certainty.
The odds that we will ever encounter them are literally astronomically low.
Well the big question is how many societies fail after 10000 years because of Democrats?
Now throw in the Marxist aliens and their blm protests. How many of them manage to escape the death spiral following these groups cause.
If history repeats than we may be pretty damn sure alien civilizations will have some of the same struggles we have and potentially self destruction is the way of civilizations
I like to think that all civs eventually have to make a choice between freedom and safety. Basically you either become the the idealistic and adventurous Federation or the safety-in-numbers Borg. Sometimes, the civs get destroyed in the final confrontation between the paradigms.
Hey fellow astro geek...really nice analysis, but it's full of questionable assumptions. (Also Neil Tyson is a tool.)
One big one is that you're assuming that the alien civ would remain a constant size. But a civ that had practical interstellar travel would begin expanding exponentially. I read a calculation once that said given FTL, a civilization would only take only 10,000 years to totally colonize a galaxy.
Another big assumption is the limited temporal recognition window. Who says they'd only scan or visit once? What if outposts managed sections of the galaxy like a forest service? What if the dinosaurs were interesting enough to set up an automated monitoring station?
It's a mathematical demonstration of odds, man, not a concrete analysis.
The point is that the odds of encountering an alien race is not even a rounding error in the calculation, not that it's completely impossible.
As someone else pointed out, life spontaneously generating is essentially mathematically impossible, yet here we are.
I only bring this up because people get caught up in absurdly low order probabilities and ignore the far more likely answer.
It's the other way around, in fact. Life is so impossibly hard to generate that every quark in the universe could be dedicated to the computational resources required to acquire life from non-life and it still wouldn't be anywhere close to producing the most simple living organism by the heat death of the universe.
And yet here we are.
Correct. Which lends credence to the idea that we were placed here.
Galactic Center is roughly 30,000 LY from earth btw. Otherwise I tend to agree with your point.
Lets imagine that we are the space faring species and we happen upon a primitive "by our space faring civilization standards" society. And lets assume our main reason to go to the stars is expansion and resource acquisition. (I can't think of any more besides exploration that comes with both anyway)
If we went to the occupied planet the local population would invariable put up some kind of fight. Even if we look past the moral failings we would invaraibly have at wiping the natives out, it would obviously cost some amount of resources to deal with. Why expend those resources when you can just go to next star over that doesn't have a native population that would fight back?
Resource acquisition is 2 fold problem. 1st problem is exact same as above but heck even without figure that into account gravity itself just stat4es it's easier to get resources out of Oort cloud or asteroid belt then off a planet that has extra gravity that you would need to expend fuel to escape. Simple economics says that if you have 2 gold bars, one you can pick up by hand the other you need to have huge machines to reach, picking the one up by hand is more cost effective.
Aliens probably all around us, it's just not worth their time to interact with us. Sure you hear stories about people getting abducted every now and then. Us as humans also go tip cows every now and then. Same thing, just some punk alien playing with the primitives.
It's like encountering other human societies. Every time we interact with them, one of two things happen.
Either 1) we offer them a better way and they do their stupid savage bullshit and eventually we have to shoot them, and then history vilifies us for all time, or 2) we leave them to remain savages, and they build a mythology about how all of their savage idiot problems are our fault, and they do their stupid savage bullshit, but now our own population won't just let us shoot them, and we're locked into a eternity with the middle east as our fucking problem, somehow.
So even beyond the Resource problem, they're (we're, in the case of any other space nation meeting us,) idiotic savages who just aren't worth the effort.
Fun fact: when the first Euro explorers first starting checking out African states, they found that several tribes were eating each other. Sir Richard Burton (not the actor) an Englishman scholar & explorer who could speak 25 languages, was the first European to enter Muslim city in Harar In Africa without being executed.
They were absolute savages back then. Seems not much has changed today...
/thread
If they have that sophisticated of tech, we’ll either never know they’re there, or be dead before we know what happened.
This. First Contact is something that should terrify us. A civilization capable of practical interstellar travel is as far beyond us as our current civilization is beyond chimps using sticks as tools. Historically, such contacts never end well for the more primitive society.
you can't know there's not ufos, only that you haven't seen any.
Any time something flies over your head and you aren’t sure what it was it’s technically a UFO.
I disagree. If one person knows what it is, it’s identified, just not by you .
I hear there's a run on ACME umbrellas... get one while you still can!
1% chance of impact
I want a new meteorite to add to my collection, so I hope it hits my lonely liberal neighbor.
There's a better chance that they inhale some 'rona from their little fag pipe.
So you're saying there's a chance? WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN NOW!
SHUT IT DOWN YOU DONKEY
WHERE'S THE JOGGER SAUCE?!
Wear your meteor masks
It's ironic how incredibly leftist Marketwatch is for a website that's supposed to be centered around capitalism.
The left is so insane that they'd rather the Earth be destroyed and the human race come to an end just so they can get rid of Trump.
As I've said many times, they are devil worshippers. No amount of dead and suffering is enough for them. But don't you worry, they won't destroy the world, they'll rule it's ashes before our Lord comes down and judges us all.
I used to wonder why Satan would ever start a war against a God with infinite intelligence and ability. What I've seen in American politics in the last five years has made it clear: resentment is the most powerful force in the universe, except for love.
Resentment or Envy?
that's right and it's not hyperbole it's objectively true https://time.com/5780556/meteor-poll-trump-new-hampshire/
I mean, they did try to manufacture a recession with this virus bs. They even wished it months prior to the global lockdown and quarantine. And we're still too nice
That's what happens when you corner a rat long enough. It resorts to violence. During the last moments of any type of life, a scorched earth policy is adopted.
Well, obviously we must shut down the entire economy until November 3rd to avert this disaster!
Its Trumps fault....say MSM...somehow.
CNN: Here's how Trump summoned a white supremacist asteroid to rain down it's bigotry on us in order to steal the election.
Sounds like we need a crew of oil drillers to pilot two space shuttles onto in, drill into it and insert a nuke in the middle to split it up.
Edit: didn't see the pic, nobody blows up POTUS's big beautiful head!
And they don't want to pay taxes again, ever.
that would create more problems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon_(1998_film)
It's a bolide. Meaning completely not dangerous. I read that there's only a 0.41% chance it will hit the Earth anyway. More media fear mongering.
Now there's a new word. You learn a lot here.
They named the asteroid VP1 😅 (no joke) because it's just like Biden, 6 feet tall and going to burn out on impact.
Also dumb as a rock
C'mon man, I thought you liked me!
I meant that Biden is dumb as a rock, not you.
I know 😅 that was a Biden quote he once said to a reporter when he was grilled on his sexual assault allegations, "C'mon man, I thought you liked me!"
Ah ok, I missed that one thanks!
You're a dying log-faced Polish soldier.
Is this shit for real? The left yearns for extinction than have our glorious Donald as President. Truly they are a death cult.
it's so small that- unless it's mostly comprised of tungsten, tantalum, or molybdenum ores- it'll in all likelihood be a small cloud of diffuse particles once it reaches the surface
wow they really got us this time
oh, yeah- it has about a 3% chance of a 1% chance of actually entering our atmosphere. the "party of science," ladies and gentlemen
So you're saying Ghislaine Maxwell should get meteorite insurance?
i want meteorite insurance. at this point, there's approximately nothing that can protect her or her friends- insurance, otherwise, fictional, or what have you
I'm getting old.
I thought Asteroids was October and Aliens were November.
Fireworks for the victory. The universe has spoken.
So many 2016 vibes in 2020. The celebrity deaths. The libs hoping for an asteroid to make it all go away. The incompetent, unhealthy Dem candidate hiding from voters. The nastiness of the DNC and their comrades in the media. The irrepressible Trump support bubbling up in all kinds of ways - spontaneous, grassroots rallies, boat parades, car parades, homemade signage as far as the eye can see.
What's different: Extended riots. The China virus and attendant lockdowns and school closures. The much greater level of violence and desperation from the Dems. The fact that our guy is the incumbent now instead of the evil Obama. No big Trump rallies - but see above for expressions of Trump support.
Why are they so desperate? Because the red wave is about to hit them in the face.
I'm still going to stand in line to vote.
I love when you fuckers make me laugh.
Thanks, pede. You made my day.
FUCK BLM and FUCK THE LIBERAL-VICTIM MINDSET!
More impressed with the fact they can detect something 6ft wide. In terms of outer space that is fucking tiny.
At 6 feet long, it's a nimble navigator.
Hmm was Beirut a soft run for this “asteroid” that will hit before the election?
Less than 1% chance; another scare tactic.
Or suddenly a nuclear asteroid hits Texas.
Asteroid impacts disproportionately affect people of color.
I had to stop reading/going to Marketwatch. Their anti Trump articles were just too much. Just report on the market and the economy, idiots.
Fucking nihilists.
Does it have mail in ballots in it?
Illegal aliens voting in the election
GO SPACEFORCE!
They say it’s no big deal because it only has a 0.4% of impact. There’s something else that has only a 0.4% chance or killing you but that’s worth shutting down the world over.
Dumb question. How can we see something so small in the black void that is space? 6 feet is stupidly puny for the stuff out there.
Occlusion.
If you've got a telescope looking at some distant star (I'm talking one of the millions you can't see with the naked eye) and suddenly it goes dim like something's in the way, it might be because something's in the way. Then you just track the occlusion of other cosmological objects around it to see if there's actually an object there.
blink comparator, yes?
Apparently people look for that car Elon Musk shot into space. That's not too much bigger. (It's got some weird solar orbit I think.) I think you just need a powerful telescope.
Clyde Tombaugh discovered tiny, virtually invisible Pluto way back in 1930 using a thing called the "blink comparator."
it ain't always about size and power!
The asteroid is named Donald Trump!
You damn right. The asteroid is called "Trump Landslide".
Still won’t stop me from voting
NOW IT'S TOTALLY UNSAFE TO VOTE IN PERSON!! MAIL-IN BALLOTS ONLY!!!
The Left: Trump secretly captured the asteroid and brought it to Earth so he can save the world and win re-election.
Everything is a secret Trump plot.
Market-watch? More like market twats.
Another liberal fear mongering trash finance site
Wish it would land in LA.
Hollowed out and stuffed with Biden ballots.
well at least democrats wouldnt be among the survivors
The fuckin US Space Force is gonna get some!
Melaniacholia
Deep State Impact.
The comet is upon us! Our powers will magnify and GEOTUS will rise!
Well played
Space Force will capture it and put it Gitmo!!!!!!!