Again, you admit the end of a white majority is bad but are ok with legal immigrants and are quite pessimistic without addressing any of my points. It makes me question your sincerity. Why are you on a political forum if you think we’ve lost already? Why do you want legal immigrants if you know they will only make things worse for your people? I’m not really buying it
Not all of them are bad. A lot of Hispanics are conservative and republican. A lot of European immigrants are republicans. I do think we are losing, but I’m still going to support the right candidates and hope that I’m wrong. I am sincere, it’s just that my opinion has nuance, which I really don’t think is that hard to follow. What points do you want me to address? I’m not a white supremacist or white nationalist. But losing a white majority does mean, in our circumstances, a nation moving towards a more radical leftist ideology. But we can have legal immigration without bringing in leftists. There should be political and cultural requirements to being allowed to move here and become a citizen, including being anti communism, pro democracy, and anti critical race theory.
I guess we just heavily disagree that we can have legal immigration without promoting the left. Immigrants are always left leaning. Liberalism as an ideology aligns to outgroups, and immigrants are always outgroups in a new culture. Legal immigrants vote overwhelming liberal is all groups besides Cubans, and those Cubans’ 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants vote majority liberal. The type of immigrant you’re looking for just doesn’t exist in mass in the immigrant population. Immigration could be improved through your recommendations, but why take the risk? Just shut it down. Also, words like white nationalist or white supremesist are propaganda created to degrade the ingroup of America which is clearly the European pioneers and colonizers which created practically all institutions and value in the country.
I knew an immigrant from East Germany who was very much a republican. Many immigrants from horribly oppressive leftist regimes are conservative. Why does being an out group necessitate supporting socialism and disregarding facts about police brutality and gender and many other issues? My point about white nationalism and supremacy is that I don’t think race has to be destiny in terms of political party, and what I want is cultural and political sanity and cohesion. The race and ethnicity part is irrelevant to me if there was actual assimilation. But I guess America proves assimilation isn’t possible. Hundreds of years later and many black kids refuse to learn in school because they think it’d be “acting white.”
Race and ethnicity is upstream from assimilation rates. Culture is downstream from assimilation. One guy from east Germany does not make up for the 1000000 other immigrants who completely disagree with him. Nowhere in the entire world exists a group of immigrants that reliability over generations vote or support right wing politics or support the in group of the country they move to, unless... they are of the same racial group and similar ethnic group, they come in small numbers, and there is a strong, enforced monoculture. Germans and Dutch assimilated to the English and Scotch Irish. Italians had a bit harder of a time. Indians rarely assimilate. African immigrants are more likely to assimilate in to the Black identify in American rather than the American vote.
Blacks not assimilating is a great point. Some assimilate, but most do not. Those who do not assimilate end up creating their own separate identity, distinct and explicitly against the in group. Those who do assimilate end up identifying with the in group. The vast majority of the right identifies with the American historical in group. The left is becoming a cohort of those who do not identify as the historical in group and those who are white leftist who cave or are convinced by social and hierarchical pressure to be left leaning, such as that pushed by corporate HR, CNN, schooling, or social media companies.
Nowhere in that equation does legal immigration help the in group at this point. There is no strongly enforced monoculture, the racial and ethnic groups don’t match the ingroup, and they come in at massive numbers. at the end of the day, we can’t enforce a monoculture for many years because there are so many unassimilated immigrants already! Maybe 20 or 30 years from now, if we win, we can do that. But that’s a big ‘if’ and not worth considering at this point.
Again, you admit the end of a white majority is bad but are ok with legal immigrants and are quite pessimistic without addressing any of my points. It makes me question your sincerity. Why are you on a political forum if you think we’ve lost already? Why do you want legal immigrants if you know they will only make things worse for your people? I’m not really buying it
Not all of them are bad. A lot of Hispanics are conservative and republican. A lot of European immigrants are republicans. I do think we are losing, but I’m still going to support the right candidates and hope that I’m wrong. I am sincere, it’s just that my opinion has nuance, which I really don’t think is that hard to follow. What points do you want me to address? I’m not a white supremacist or white nationalist. But losing a white majority does mean, in our circumstances, a nation moving towards a more radical leftist ideology. But we can have legal immigration without bringing in leftists. There should be political and cultural requirements to being allowed to move here and become a citizen, including being anti communism, pro democracy, and anti critical race theory.
I guess we just heavily disagree that we can have legal immigration without promoting the left. Immigrants are always left leaning. Liberalism as an ideology aligns to outgroups, and immigrants are always outgroups in a new culture. Legal immigrants vote overwhelming liberal is all groups besides Cubans, and those Cubans’ 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants vote majority liberal. The type of immigrant you’re looking for just doesn’t exist in mass in the immigrant population. Immigration could be improved through your recommendations, but why take the risk? Just shut it down. Also, words like white nationalist or white supremesist are propaganda created to degrade the ingroup of America which is clearly the European pioneers and colonizers which created practically all institutions and value in the country.
I knew an immigrant from East Germany who was very much a republican. Many immigrants from horribly oppressive leftist regimes are conservative. Why does being an out group necessitate supporting socialism and disregarding facts about police brutality and gender and many other issues? My point about white nationalism and supremacy is that I don’t think race has to be destiny in terms of political party, and what I want is cultural and political sanity and cohesion. The race and ethnicity part is irrelevant to me if there was actual assimilation. But I guess America proves assimilation isn’t possible. Hundreds of years later and many black kids refuse to learn in school because they think it’d be “acting white.”
Race and ethnicity is upstream from assimilation rates. Culture is downstream from assimilation. One guy from east Germany does not make up for the 1000000 other immigrants who completely disagree with him. Nowhere in the entire world exists a group of immigrants that reliability over generations vote or support right wing politics or support the in group of the country they move to, unless... they are of the same racial group and similar ethnic group, they come in small numbers, and there is a strong, enforced monoculture. Germans and Dutch assimilated to the English and Scotch Irish. Italians had a bit harder of a time. Indians rarely assimilate. African immigrants are more likely to assimilate in to the Black identify in American rather than the American vote.
Blacks not assimilating is a great point. Some assimilate, but most do not. Those who do not assimilate end up creating their own separate identity, distinct and explicitly against the in group. Those who do assimilate end up identifying with the in group. The vast majority of the right identifies with the American historical in group. The left is becoming a cohort of those who do not identify as the historical in group and those who are white leftist who cave or are convinced by social and hierarchical pressure to be left leaning, such as that pushed by corporate HR, CNN, schooling, or social media companies.
Nowhere in that equation does legal immigration help the in group at this point. There is no strongly enforced monoculture, the racial and ethnic groups don’t match the ingroup, and they come in at massive numbers. at the end of the day, we can’t enforce a monoculture for many years because there are so many unassimilated immigrants already! Maybe 20 or 30 years from now, if we win, we can do that. But that’s a big ‘if’ and not worth considering at this point.