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They want to push the property angle so that anyone in the future who defends life or property with a firearm against these animals during riots will be labeled "armed lunatic white supremacists", or whatever they decide to slander us with.
The end goal is to make it legal for any entity to appropriate your property and you have no rights whatsoever, and yes this includes businesses, land, your guns and even your own children.
Disagree. There are plenty of good people there, in all likelihood. Many of them probably can’t move. They shouldn’t be forsaken just because of one groups actions.
The police take an oath to defend the Constitution. The lockdown mandates (not laws, I will point out) violate at minimum the 1st and 4th Amendments, so the policeman’s proper course of action when told to enforce them is to either (a) resign or (b) arrest the asshat who made the mandate and make sure they’re prosecuted. Enforcement should not even be on the table, and police are not my friend or on my side until they agree
My dad is a Trump supporter but last time i told him that police shouldnt be defunded we both agreed. But he thinks they are our allies, and when i tell him that when shit hits the fan like right now, the cops will side with the communist. He kinda just starts yawning and rolling his eyes.....
its frustrating. Hes a baby boomer so i think he thinks im the milennial son who thinks he knows it all.
Dude...I am a few years from "boomer" and it gets old seeing you morons say boomers are the problem. The problem is liberal fucktards voting shitters into office. I have been, and my family going back generations have been, conservative and trying to keep our American values sacrosanct.
Bingo! With relatively few exceptions, cops have been complicit in the insanity. If some can come out and say they're NOT going to enforce [insert draconian edict here], all of them can.
The thing these communists have failed to realize is that the reason communism was able to take hold in other places and continue for prolonged periods is because those other places gave up their guns many years prior to communism taking hold.
The old saying of "you can vote yourself into communism but you have to shoot your way out" is true, and I don't think these communists realize just how quickly the shooting will start in America.
100% this is the only way to turn back after the critical point of Marxism is reach (and we are well beyond that point).
It is unfortunate that part of what makes conservatives rational and reasonable also prevents them from doing the ONLY thing that can save themselves and prevent the genocidal left from taking over.
If enough people just keep shooting these bastards then there’s nothing that can stop it
This does happen, though, and every time. But it happens after the left takes over and kills 50M to 100M people. The survivors eventually do exactly as you wrote.
Their goal is to eliminate property rights. They're attempting to frame it as cruel and inhumane to defend your property with lethal force because "it's just property, not a living person". By eliminating property rights, they eliminate all rights, and the Constitution is effectively null and void. Of course, they'll never SAY that it's null and void, and will illegitimately refer to it when it benefits them, but in practice it will be just a piece of paper. It already is getting there.
Meanwhile, they continue the practice of child sacrifice out of convenience and want cops fried like bacon.
None of this lockdown everything for 6 months because of a bad cold and force everyone to wear a mask to enter a building to buy food is in the constitution, yet here we are.
Neither is the pandemic and if you don't like your mask go after your state leaders. It's will never be a federal issue. Ever unless we move toward socialism.
Don't forget tho Stand Your Ground isn't the only law that we can rely on. Lots of states, even CA as far as I know, have the Castle Doctrine which protects you defending your home and yard (and in some states you can even protect your occupied car and place of work, as stated below -- from doc you cited).
Castle Doctrine: "No duty to retreat before using deadly force if you are in your home or yard (some states include a place of work and occupied vehicles).
Even states with "Duty to Retreat" only have to retreat if they can do so safely. If they can't retreat safely -- without endangering their lives . . . then "oh, well", for the person attempting to attack you or your property, and causes you to fear for your life.
That's because they want to push a false dichotomy, asking people, "what do you value more? Life or property?" To shame people out of protecting their livelihoods.
Fact is, if you can't earn a livelihood, you can't enjoy a modern standard of living. Try paying a plumber with hugs and kisses because your small business has been burnt down and doesn't bring in money anymore. Unless you're in a position to be a literal prostitute, property beyond your body is a requirement to have any standard of living.
Its like your trying to justify western civilization. Seems like we already have a few decades to back it up already as the best civilizations on the planet now and in history.
So much this. 'This is mine and you can't have it unless I give/sell it to you, if you try to take it I have the right to stop you' is a cornerstone of the social contract across all human societies past & present. Even the ancient communal ones Marxists and feminists praise had a concept of private property, cavemen would react poorly if you tried to steal their food and stone tools after all.
Any accusation of 'so you value your property over human lives huh?' should not only be answered with a resounding 'yes', it should be answered with 'yes and I'd shoot a jogga who breaks in to to take even a childhood toy I'd forgotten about just to make a point'. The other party should learn to value their lives more than your possessions.
I agree, unfortunately many places say defense of property isn't enough to justify lethal force. I think if every criminal KNEW that lethal force could and would be used to defend property, you'd see a lot less property theft.
Those places are going to change their laws after this or they're going to lose small business owners. America is a big, beautiful country so capital and skilled labor aren't tied down to any one place.
Duty to retreat angle shouldn't exist. We need to bring back the wild west mentality. You want to steal my shit.. pew pew mother fucker. I'm minding my business and you try to attack me.. pew pew mother fucker.
After my car was stolen I was effectively dropped from future shots of being insured with said company. I now pay more money to insure a $20k or so sedan (as a married man in his 30s with zero tickets/accidents) than I did to insure a $100k+ sports car when I was a single male in my early 20s with a few speeding tickets.
Spot on. His original reason for being there, yes to defend the city. But the reason he had to use force was because he was attacked and if he was unarmed, we know for a fact, he would be dead or comatose today. Completely justified.
GoFundMe will take it down. They are fully cucked leftists. They spam my inbox with leftist agenda and have also taken down legitimate fundraisers for causes to raise money for businesses damaged by BLM/Antifa looters
He deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom for what he did. If a pedo and murderer like Tom Hanks and a rape enabler like Ellen can get one, a true American hero like Kyle more than deserves it. Same with Nick Sandmann.
I only knew about how she allowed one of her producers to rape a bunch of male writers and I also knew about her being emotionally abusive to her staff. I didn't know she was involved in the rapes herself as I admit, I haven't been following the story religiously. That being said it doesn't surprise me in the slightest and I think would be a bigger surprise to find out her, or any other Hollywood liberal elite HASN'T raped anyone.
You are correct on one thing he was too young to carry. He is guilty of one charge. That one charge he actually did don't mean the false narrative they are using to drag him is even slightly correct.
Know who was a real larper? The white guy yelling "shoot me nigga" he was larping as a hard ass and got shot in the head. The world is better now that he isn't in it. Fuck off with your nonsense. They were trying to kill that kid. Clean shoot every day ending in y.
He defended himself! What about the 13 year old who defended his house from a robber (who was armed) a few years back while he was home alone? No one was dragging him through the mud, and he ended up being okay at the end of the day.
You are aware states have laws right? Where does the constitution mention open carry or concealed carry? Pretty sure people didn't just open carry muskets in colonial times.
So you know more than I do what was it like? None of the books or many things I've read or watched about the revolution mentioned everyone carrying randomly. State laws have always been a thing I am a firm believer in the constitution but states and towns have their rights to make laws more strict if they choose. I personally would like less federal government more local level shit but oh well. Don't like it move elsewhere hence why I'm moving the fuck out of Philly.
I really enjoy reading about the revolution so if you have a book or anything that can show me about everyone carrying in daily life I'd like to read it or any particular books about the revolution possibly the southern theater if you have any it gets ignored a lot of the time and I don't know much about that part except the most basic stuff
Edit yes the federal level can enforce laws local don't like weed. Weed is decriminalized in Philly not in PA there are different levels of government and different laws at each level I don't quite get the point.
Every single person just walked around with a musket during peace time? Not during war prior to Lexington or concord everyone just walked down the street with their rifles? Pretty sure homes and armories housed the weapons.
No, he can't. There's a patchwork of carry laws across the states. You can only have a firearm while traveling through a state (doesn't involve stopping for bathroom breaks) and you may even need to store it in a certain way during travel. That's what the law is today. They may be unconstitutional but the courts haven't found them to be so. Until that changes, the law is the law and everything else is an opinion. It's a great opinion, but when the police arrest you that doesn't matter one bit. People who actually carry guns know this because we have to deal with interstate bullshit and licensing all the time. Crossing state lines is crossing state lines by one foot or 100 miles. Ananconda is a shill piece of shit and this guy absolutely deserves support but don't get twisted on the law, at least for the sake of other pedes who may want to start carrying and need to know how to stay within the law.
Its not murder. He was under age, state lines means nothing except this may be a federal charge (right now only the state has charged him due to the lefty DA). Illinois is 15 min from Kenosha.
Agree it wasn’t murder, never said it was. Wisconsin will charge him as an adult since he’s 17. I know how far it is, doesn’t matter if you live 1 minute over the border though unfortunately
Crossing a state border is not a crime, though. It just makes this case eligible for federal charges, which is unlikely. Wisconsin DA is going to attempt to railroad him with a plea offer of 35 years. He will unfortunately have to fight this in court.
That I don’t know since I’m no legal expert. But in Wisconsin they can charge 17 year olds as adults. If they did that it would he insane but we will see
So we have double jeopardy though? The same crime, committed by the same person, in the same place, he’s charged twice, once federally, once by the state. That is arguably a violation of double jeopardy.
Well yeah, it is. And it's BS. When it comes to crimes, two different jurisdictions shouldn't be able to prosecute somebody based on a single nexus of fact. The current rule is that if the crimes have even one different element, they can both be prosecuted. So you might be charged for murder at the state level and then murder with a federally banned weapon at the federal level, and just because the federal crime has the added element of having a banned weapon you can be tried twice. This ends up with tons of crime x at state level and crime x + travel across state lines at the federal level. One thing OJ did right was to not drive his Bronco across state lines. Otherwise there would have been two trials.
Did you notice none of his militia pals came to support him? They were quick to help the guy shot in the arm. But they did nothing to help. I am sure they did some things because there was a lot of gun fire. Also I don't see any bursts on video from the gun shots.
A lot of people comment about LARPing, and we tend to respond negatively, but there is some truth to it:
If you bring out your long guns to a civil unrest event, you better fucking be prepared to use them. The problem is, there are thousands of years of precedent of how unprepared most people are for violence. AIT is months of grueling, hard work. You can't just grab your Palmetto Shithouse AR and waddle out into the fucking street and expect things to go well.
Nobody has the full timeline (the two videos are separated by an unknown amount of time), but this kid should never have ended up running alone on a dark street. He should have stuck with his armed mates like glue, no matter what.
The price of failing at that imperative should be self-evident.
Presidents have pardoned WAY worse in their last days in office. Obama pardoned a freaking bomber psycho who isn't the least bit repentant and that wasn't even in his final days.
Tru dat. Hopefully he doesn't get slapped with interstate charges too. This is going to be an expensive trial already and nowhere near worth the price. If he gets hit with a second one, his legal fees will exceed the average american's savings before retirement. He might just take a plea and do 15 years in jail just to not owe half a million dollars.
Clear cases of self defense (like where you have the video) should not be charged At All. Fuck the governor for calling for his prosecution. The violence was against him, he defended himself with lethal force.
The state prosecutors (who are either sympathetic to the rioters or believe they can quell further violence--at any cost in principle) are all-in on throwing the book at EVERYONE who fights back against the "peaceful protesters". I imagine we'll only see more of this.
At some point there'll be Too Much Of It and the violence itself with lend anonymity to the participants, much like it did looters during the early days of the Kirby riots. Then, all bets are off. The fast-fading promise of equal application of law is the only thing holding us back from exterminating these animals.
From the first shooting, he was about to have a plastic bag thrown at him, not be killed. That’s what will be successfully argued in court. The court will lock him up for shooting someone over something minor (a bag) without trying to deescalate the situation first. It’s unfortunate because he was being chased by a mob, but he will be found guilty
The left doesn’t care that he was a good person, anyone against them is instantly labeled the worst things imaginable in order for them to justify their own psychotic, inhuman behavior.
Edit: Got one coward downvote so far! Keep em coming, comrades!
These kids and young adults have more courage than I did when I was their age. Putting their life on the line because our fucking government won’t accept fucking aid. But oh after this now they will.
He's a lolbertarian. He was there to support BLM as long as they were attacking police and not businesses. His self-defense was justified, but he's not a hero.
This is the crucial point in all this. If he was there to protect businesses but also in support of BLM, he was aiding terrorism.
IF (big IF) that is the case, then the act of self defense needs to be protected only as an example of self defense. Outside of that, I cannot find empathy or compassion for someone supporting terrorism.
IF the story about him being a libertarian is not true, or if it is not true that he was with a group that was actively supporting BLM but dumb enough to think they could control/direct the actions of the terrorists, then he needs to be defended 100%
I've seen the video of them saying they support BLM, but I don't know the full context. They're arguing with riotous morons and trying to explain to them they're just there to stop the looting and arson. That's not the time to argue why marxism is terrible or why Black Lives Matter isn't really trying to stop racism.
"Sure we agree with your nonsense, but If your problem is with the police, then go burn down the police station and stop trying to burn down this small business."
Fuck if I know man. All of us barely know who this guy is or what really happened. Obviously the videos posted on here show a pretty good case of self-defense, but who knows
That video was the gas station crowd. Rittenhouse was apparently at the gas station at one point but who knows if he was affiliated with them or not. I recognized the tall, plaid shirt guy in that video. He was there at the gas station on the very first night of riots, one of the OG crew protecting that business.
Who also happened to be seen aggressively confronting a second separate armed mob in a different video at a gas station. This guy has a very strong case for self-defense because these agitators were looking for armed people to intimidate. It wasn't why they got shot it was when were they gonna get shot. These 2 in particular were pushing the front lines to shove and make contact with anyone to get some aggression going. This is an addition to the fact he was being chased for several blocks.
He shot the "paramedic" in the arm as well correct?
spez - I had assumed most people reading my comment would know what I meant by "paramedic" but some messaged me for more info. I am referring to the criminal with the paramedic baseball cap that ran up and pointed a gun at Kyle when he was on the ground.
Yeah, I'd make it a little clearer than putting "paramedic" in quotes, I'd call him "the convicted felon who was illegally carrying a concealed weapon and wearing the hat that said paramedic on it while aggressively pursuing, then faking surrender, then pointing his handgun at the man he pursued with obvious intent to kill him". A little long for casual use, but that's the guy.
Spez: It is not clear whether he was a CONVICTED felon. I will retract that part for now until there is reliable information.
And according to 4chan, his linkedin profile shows he worked (at least at one point) as a paramedic.
The video at the gas station where he tells the people to shoot him got removed, I'm trying to find that video so I can look for the paramedic as well. Will scour through some new videos and see if I can find him in the same mob.
The bill provides criminal immunity (WI statute 939.48(1m)[13]) and protection from civil suits (WI statute 895.62 [14]) for homeowners or business owners who use a gun in self-defense while on their property, with the presumption that any action is justified.
No deadly force solely to protect property. 3rd party protection. If attack is provoked, self defense may only be used if reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm. If attack is provoked deadly force only allowed if all other reasonable means of avoidance exhausted.
In this case, once the shooter is attacked he is no longer protecting property, he is protecting himself.
Weird that they have no problem naming a white juvenile who justifuably uses self defense and has death threats against him by a racist mob, but won't name an Army Colonel (the whistleblower) who politicized his position because he needs "protection."
I want to email him videos and pictures so bad, but knowing how commies operate he'll probably say by me emailing him video evidence it was evidence ill gotten will move to have it thrown out for the defense to use.
In Wisconsin he may be really fucked! I sure hope not.
What Felony Murder Is
Felony murder is an extra crime that exists in order to add severity to instances where a defendant's crime caused the death of another person. However, not all crimes will trigger the felony murder rule. Instead, it must be one of the crimes listed in the Wisconsin felony murder statute. These felonies are:
Battery;
Sexual assault;
Kidnapping;
Arson;
Burglary; or
Auto theft by force.
Importantly, the law does impose a final catchall category. Felony murder may also be charged for crimes committed using explosives or a dangerous weapon.
This bullshit needs to end and end fast. They are going to push a narrative that will make it legal for a mob to kill you in the name of social justice and illegal for you to defend yourself, family, pr property.
If you ask me, the MAGA kid has already shown us how to take these sons of bitches down. Whenever the media blatantly lies about something the people involved need to sue. Blatantly Reporting lies needs to become a huge liability that deeply cuts into media profits. This is the only way we are going to make them honest.
I support this kid. He was trying to live up to the heritage of his country's history against oppression.
But lets get this straight he is not Sandmann.
Sandmann was in DC for a pro-life field trip. He put on a hat in support of a pro-life president and nearly got cancelled for no direct action.
So even though I support Rittenhouse its not fair to compare him to Sandmann. Please don't perpetuate the comparison.
We need both of these people in society to make it better. Those who bring change with action and those who bring change with inaction. But don't equate them.
If they make this charge stick. The only option they leave Americans is to drop all the commies in the street and defend yourself against the communist government to the death.
It's the Democrats fault this is happening. They've done everything they could to make these riots worse. They're not condemning the violence on the Left, they're not calling for the end of the riots. They're laying to the American people about what is really happening, the media is covering for fucking terrorists, they're not prosecuting the rioters, the ONLY time they send the police into squash the rioting is when THEIR homes are threatened. This is all by design and then they get up in front of the camera and they lie and smear and blame Trump. How much fucking longer are we supposed to fucking sit back and take it? Home much longer are we supposed to let them paint targets on all of us and our family until we do something? Lefty race-baiting grifters like Shaun King are openly calling for violence and Twitter and Facebook do nothing! Y'all honestly think these people are gonna accept the election when Trump wins? You are fooling yourselves if you do. They've declared war on us. They will come to our neighborhoods and burn them to the fucking ground if we don't submit to these fucking Marxist terrorists and the media, the democrats, the big tech companies will cover for them when they do. You will be the criminal. You will be the ones they want punished.
President Rittenhouse took the oath of office earlier today on the steps of the Supreme Court, surrounded by his family. The crowd size attending the ceremony was estimated at 1 million.”
They want to push the property angle so that anyone in the future who defends life or property with a firearm against these animals during riots will be labeled "armed lunatic white supremacists", or whatever they decide to slander us with.
The end goal is to make it legal for any entity to appropriate your property and you have no rights whatsoever, and yes this includes businesses, land, your guns and even your own children.
Wow, sounds a lot like communism.
almost identical infact.
Well thank goodness it's just identical and isn't actually communism. We'd have a real problem if it were.
Reminds me of those "rEaL sOCiaLiSm haSn't bEeN TrIEd yeT!" idiots lmao.
This time we will get it right.
Disagree. There are plenty of good people there, in all likelihood. Many of them probably can’t move. They shouldn’t be forsaken just because of one groups actions.
Most of the white people in those cities vote red. Cowardice to cede that valuable territory for no reason
It's almost as if...
They'll frame as, no life is worth property, which is bullshit. Our civilization is founded on private property, without it there is no civilization.
Without property, there can be no life. Your right to keep the product of your effort is your right not to be a slave.
Exactly. The purpose of law is to protect property (specifically land). There is no society without the right to defend your own property
No life is worthy property, so don't forfeit your life trying to take or destroy others' property.
New Improved GRASSROOTS COMMUNISM™!
No governments or tyrant rulers necessary!
We're all Kulaks now.
"children". That is their end goal.
Totalitarian governments are called police states for a reason...
BaCk tHe bLuE, PedeS!! ThEy WiLL pROtEcT uS!
MUH THIN BLUE LINE
The police take an oath to defend the Constitution. The lockdown mandates (not laws, I will point out) violate at minimum the 1st and 4th Amendments, so the policeman’s proper course of action when told to enforce them is to either (a) resign or (b) arrest the asshat who made the mandate and make sure they’re prosecuted. Enforcement should not even be on the table, and police are not my friend or on my side until they agree
We need to stop even bringing up oaths. They don't mean jack shit. Meaningless unenforceable words.
My dad is a Trump supporter but last time i told him that police shouldnt be defunded we both agreed. But he thinks they are our allies, and when i tell him that when shit hits the fan like right now, the cops will side with the communist. He kinda just starts yawning and rolling his eyes.....
its frustrating. Hes a baby boomer so i think he thinks im the milennial son who thinks he knows it all.
Have him watch the riots, and see who the cops arrest and who they don't in all of this.
Dude...I am a few years from "boomer" and it gets old seeing you morons say boomers are the problem. The problem is liberal fucktards voting shitters into office. I have been, and my family going back generations have been, conservative and trying to keep our American values sacrosanct.
Bingo! With relatively few exceptions, cops have been complicit in the insanity. If some can come out and say they're NOT going to enforce [insert draconian edict here], all of them can.
Source?
The satanic left must be crushed.
If enough people just keep shooting these bastards then there’s nothing that can stop it.
The thing these communists have failed to realize is that the reason communism was able to take hold in other places and continue for prolonged periods is because those other places gave up their guns many years prior to communism taking hold.
The old saying of "you can vote yourself into communism but you have to shoot your way out" is true, and I don't think these communists realize just how quickly the shooting will start in America.
its already started.
100% this is the only way to turn back after the critical point of Marxism is reach (and we are well beyond that point).
It is unfortunate that part of what makes conservatives rational and reasonable also prevents them from doing the ONLY thing that can save themselves and prevent the genocidal left from taking over.
This does happen, though, and every time. But it happens after the left takes over and kills 50M to 100M people. The survivors eventually do exactly as you wrote.
This is the answer imo
We just need a few good people with nothing to lose.
Killdozer rising
Their goal is to eliminate property rights. They're attempting to frame it as cruel and inhumane to defend your property with lethal force because "it's just property, not a living person". By eliminating property rights, they eliminate all rights, and the Constitution is effectively null and void. Of course, they'll never SAY that it's null and void, and will illegitimately refer to it when it benefits them, but in practice it will be just a piece of paper. It already is getting there.
Meanwhile, they continue the practice of child sacrifice out of convenience and want cops fried like bacon.
Whilst congratulating the police for arresting anyone who dares stand up to them.
We know their angle but this is why our constitution is our rock. They won't win this narrative.
None of this lockdown everything for 6 months because of a bad cold and force everyone to wear a mask to enter a building to buy food is in the constitution, yet here we are.
Neither is the pandemic and if you don't like your mask go after your state leaders. It's will never be a federal issue. Ever unless we move toward socialism.
Some states don't recognize property as a reason for self defence.
United Socialist States of America
Communists don’t recognize property at all, Trogdor
He comes from a different time. Those thatch roofed cottages didn't belong to the people; they belonged to their local lord.
List of States That Have Stand Your Ground Laws
Don't forget tho Stand Your Ground isn't the only law that we can rely on. Lots of states, even CA as far as I know, have the Castle Doctrine which protects you defending your home and yard (and in some states you can even protect your occupied car and place of work, as stated below -- from doc you cited).
Castle Doctrine: "No duty to retreat before using deadly force if you are in your home or yard (some states include a place of work and occupied vehicles).
Even states with "Duty to Retreat" only have to retreat if they can do so safely. If they can't retreat safely -- without endangering their lives . . . then "oh, well", for the person attempting to attack you or your property, and causes you to fear for your life.
I understand that, I was speaking more generally.
Every journalist needs to swing with the rest of them.
That's because they want to push a false dichotomy, asking people, "what do you value more? Life or property?" To shame people out of protecting their livelihoods.
Fact is, if you can't earn a livelihood, you can't enjoy a modern standard of living. Try paying a plumber with hugs and kisses because your small business has been burnt down and doesn't bring in money anymore. Unless you're in a position to be a literal prostitute, property beyond your body is a requirement to have any standard of living.
Yeah, legit.
Id blow the brains out of a commie dirtbag in a heartbeat before I let them touch a single piece of my property.
Does a commie really count as a “life”
Absolutely not.
"Freedom is the sovereign right of every American. Embrace democracy, or you will be eradicated. Democracy is truth. Communism is death."
Precisely. Moreover, their actions show they value your property high enough to risk their lives.
Based
Its like your trying to justify western civilization. Seems like we already have a few decades to back it up already as the best civilizations on the planet now and in history.
Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness
That includes livelihood
So much this. 'This is mine and you can't have it unless I give/sell it to you, if you try to take it I have the right to stop you' is a cornerstone of the social contract across all human societies past & present. Even the ancient communal ones Marxists and feminists praise had a concept of private property, cavemen would react poorly if you tried to steal their food and stone tools after all.
Any accusation of 'so you value your property over human lives huh?' should not only be answered with a resounding 'yes', it should be answered with 'yes and I'd shoot a jogga who breaks in to to take even a childhood toy I'd forgotten about just to make a point'. The other party should learn to value their lives more than your possessions.
I WILL EAT YOUR ASS!
well he's clearly a white alt right crazy person, that's the angle...
nobody gives a fuck when rooftop koreans do it.
I agree, unfortunately many places say defense of property isn't enough to justify lethal force. I think if every criminal KNEW that lethal force could and would be used to defend property, you'd see a lot less property theft.
Those places are going to change their laws after this or they're going to lose small business owners. America is a big, beautiful country so capital and skilled labor aren't tied down to any one place.
Duty to retreat angle shouldn't exist. We need to bring back the wild west mentality. You want to steal my shit.. pew pew mother fucker. I'm minding my business and you try to attack me.. pew pew mother fucker.
"They have insurance"
"Yeah well he shouldve had life insurance eh"
They've also probably never had to file a claim with any insurance company.
Yup.
After my car was stolen I was effectively dropped from future shots of being insured with said company. I now pay more money to insure a $20k or so sedan (as a married man in his 30s with zero tickets/accidents) than I did to insure a $100k+ sports car when I was a single male in my early 20s with a few speeding tickets.
Target has insurance. Big corps have insurance. Small businesses have liability.
Spot on. His original reason for being there, yes to defend the city. But the reason he had to use force was because he was attacked and if he was unarmed, we know for a fact, he would be dead or comatose today. Completely justified.
Think he deserves some sandman money after this is all done. Maybe if they slander and defame enough people they'll go bankrupt
I’ve never given to a go fund me, but I would in this case.
I'm sure some will post it here if one goes up. I can't spare much but I'd but a 20 in it.
GoFundMe will take it down. They are fully cucked leftists. They spam my inbox with leftist agenda and have also taken down legitimate fundraisers for causes to raise money for businesses damaged by BLM/Antifa looters
Oh now I get why other people said it would get taken down. Thanks for clarifying for me.
Sad!
Guarantee you it would be taken down.
Is it against the rules?
It got taken down. Gofundme is leftist as shit. They kept up the gofundme for the skateboard terrorist, woman beater, but not for Kyle.
Here you go.
https://gunslingerclub.com/product/kyle-rittenhouse-defense-fund/
He took down a mob of commies. That's not "larping."
He deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom for what he did. If a pedo and murderer like Tom Hanks and a rape enabler like Ellen can get one, a true American hero like Kyle more than deserves it. Same with Nick Sandmann.
How dare you call Ellen a rape enabler. She's a rapist FTFY
I only knew about how she allowed one of her producers to rape a bunch of male writers and I also knew about her being emotionally abusive to her staff. I didn't know she was involved in the rapes herself as I admit, I haven't been following the story religiously. That being said it doesn't surprise me in the slightest and I think would be a bigger surprise to find out her, or any other Hollywood liberal elite HASN'T raped anyone.
HERO!
What a fake news way to say "less than 20 miles."
I've had jobs where I traveled 40 miles as a commute.
Great point. I love how they spin that part. Its like living in KC amd crossing the state line into Kansas.
He was a great kid who risked his life to help protect the people and property of Kenosha.
I literally drive 26 miles to work every single day except weekends. One way.
You are correct on one thing he was too young to carry. He is guilty of one charge. That one charge he actually did don't mean the false narrative they are using to drag him is even slightly correct.
Know who was a real larper? The white guy yelling "shoot me nigga" he was larping as a hard ass and got shot in the head. The world is better now that he isn't in it. Fuck off with your nonsense. They were trying to kill that kid. Clean shoot every day ending in y.
Where in the constitution did it say "Shall not be infringed unless you're not old enough"?
He defended himself! What about the 13 year old who defended his house from a robber (who was armed) a few years back while he was home alone? No one was dragging him through the mud, and he ended up being okay at the end of the day.
Don't be daft, its right after the abortion clause.
You are aware states have laws right? Where does the constitution mention open carry or concealed carry? Pretty sure people didn't just open carry muskets in colonial times.
Doesn't matter what state law says when Federal law already had something to say about it (see: Medical Marijuana)
I think considering you live in 2020 I'm pretty sure you don't actually know shit about what life was like in 1776.
I also guarantee people carried openly in all sorts of circumstances back then.
So you know more than I do what was it like? None of the books or many things I've read or watched about the revolution mentioned everyone carrying randomly. State laws have always been a thing I am a firm believer in the constitution but states and towns have their rights to make laws more strict if they choose. I personally would like less federal government more local level shit but oh well. Don't like it move elsewhere hence why I'm moving the fuck out of Philly.
I really enjoy reading about the revolution so if you have a book or anything that can show me about everyone carrying in daily life I'd like to read it or any particular books about the revolution possibly the southern theater if you have any it gets ignored a lot of the time and I don't know much about that part except the most basic stuff
Edit yes the federal level can enforce laws local don't like weed. Weed is decriminalized in Philly not in PA there are different levels of government and different laws at each level I don't quite get the point.
No, but I'm smart enough not to make stupid claims like
Didn't even bother reading the rest of your nonsense
I'm pretty sure they fucking DID.
Every single person just walked around with a musket during peace time? Not during war prior to Lexington or concord everyone just walked down the street with their rifles? Pretty sure homes and armories housed the weapons.
"Christmas coach 1795"
Idk I think he thought he was tough but turns out he wasn't lol
The same post from you. Over and over again. Did you forget your meds today?
No, he can't. There's a patchwork of carry laws across the states. You can only have a firearm while traveling through a state (doesn't involve stopping for bathroom breaks) and you may even need to store it in a certain way during travel. That's what the law is today. They may be unconstitutional but the courts haven't found them to be so. Until that changes, the law is the law and everything else is an opinion. It's a great opinion, but when the police arrest you that doesn't matter one bit. People who actually carry guns know this because we have to deal with interstate bullshit and licensing all the time. Crossing state lines is crossing state lines by one foot or 100 miles. Ananconda is a shill piece of shit and this guy absolutely deserves support but don't get twisted on the law, at least for the sake of other pedes who may want to start carrying and need to know how to stay within the law.
This is some bullshit. I hope all charges are dropped, if not I hope he gets a presidential pardon
Charges will be dropped. Because 1) they overcharged and 2) the guy that died had life insurance and the guy that got maimed has arm insurance.
lmao. Seriously under rated Comment!!!!
I dont believe he has been charged yet.
First degree murder, under age open carrying a firearm, and carrying across state lines. He was from Illinois
Its not murder. He was under age, state lines means nothing except this may be a federal charge (right now only the state has charged him due to the lefty DA). Illinois is 15 min from Kenosha.
Agree it wasn’t murder, never said it was. Wisconsin will charge him as an adult since he’s 17. I know how far it is, doesn’t matter if you live 1 minute over the border though unfortunately
Crossing a state border is not a crime, though. It just makes this case eligible for federal charges, which is unlikely. Wisconsin DA is going to attempt to railroad him with a plea offer of 35 years. He will unfortunately have to fight this in court.
How can they charge him as an adult and underage open carry at the same time?
That I don’t know since I’m no legal expert. But in Wisconsin they can charge 17 year olds as adults. If they did that it would he insane but we will see
Jesus christ I hope they also had burn insurance, because fuck dude.
Underrated comment.
lmao if life insurance doesnt cover looting
sweet medicine
Hopefully only convicted for the open carrying while underage and carrying over state borders
Isn't this a state charge?
He may have crossed state lines though
That's only stacking federal charges on top of state charges, it doesn't eliminate the state charges. We still have double jeopardy in this country.
So we have double jeopardy though? The same crime, committed by the same person, in the same place, he’s charged twice, once federally, once by the state. That is arguably a violation of double jeopardy.
Well yeah, it is. And it's BS. When it comes to crimes, two different jurisdictions shouldn't be able to prosecute somebody based on a single nexus of fact. The current rule is that if the crimes have even one different element, they can both be prosecuted. So you might be charged for murder at the state level and then murder with a federally banned weapon at the federal level, and just because the federal crime has the added element of having a banned weapon you can be tried twice. This ends up with tons of crime x at state level and crime x + travel across state lines at the federal level. One thing OJ did right was to not drive his Bronco across state lines. Otherwise there would have been two trials.
He lives on the Illinois side of the border with Wisconsin. Crossing state lines makes it federal.
How do we know that's where he lives? We know his family lives there but he may live in WI.
He’s 17 I doubt he moved to Wisconsin. He’ll get the firearms charges, rightfully so, but the murder 1 will be dropped for sure
Did you notice none of his militia pals came to support him? They were quick to help the guy shot in the arm. But they did nothing to help. I am sure they did some things because there was a lot of gun fire. Also I don't see any bursts on video from the gun shots.
A lot of people comment about LARPing, and we tend to respond negatively, but there is some truth to it:
If you bring out your long guns to a civil unrest event, you better fucking be prepared to use them. The problem is, there are thousands of years of precedent of how unprepared most people are for violence. AIT is months of grueling, hard work. You can't just grab your Palmetto Shithouse AR and waddle out into the fucking street and expect things to go well.
Nobody has the full timeline (the two videos are separated by an unknown amount of time), but this kid should never have ended up running alone on a dark street. He should have stuck with his armed mates like glue, no matter what.
The price of failing at that imperative should be self-evident.
Yeah I feel there us way more to the story. I mean look at this photo. Same clothes
https://thedonald.win/p/GvP7oE48/kyle-is-a-model-citizen-/c/
I am gonna give this some time and see what comes up. I agree with what you said, all of it.
So far yeah, so no way this gets presidential pardon
Presidents have pardoned WAY worse in their last days in office. Obama pardoned a freaking bomber psycho who isn't the least bit repentant and that wasn't even in his final days.
Yeah but the thing is POTUS can’t pardon state crimes, only federal ones
Tru dat. Hopefully he doesn't get slapped with interstate charges too. This is going to be an expensive trial already and nowhere near worth the price. If he gets hit with a second one, his legal fees will exceed the average american's savings before retirement. He might just take a plea and do 15 years in jail just to not owe half a million dollars.
Clear cases of self defense (like where you have the video) should not be charged At All. Fuck the governor for calling for his prosecution. The violence was against him, he defended himself with lethal force.
The state prosecutors (who are either sympathetic to the rioters or believe they can quell further violence--at any cost in principle) are all-in on throwing the book at EVERYONE who fights back against the "peaceful protesters". I imagine we'll only see more of this.
At some point there'll be Too Much Of It and the violence itself with lend anonymity to the participants, much like it did looters during the early days of the Kirby riots. Then, all bets are off. The fast-fading promise of equal application of law is the only thing holding us back from exterminating these animals.
The best is yet to come then?
If commies aren't people, is it really illegal?
"Whats it like to take a human life?"
"I dont know, I've only killed Communist."
President can’t pardon local and state crimes. Only federal crimes.
Kyle did nothing wrong - would’ve been killed if he didn’t shoot those guys
From the first shooting, he was about to have a plastic bag thrown at him, not be killed. That’s what will be successfully argued in court. The court will lock him up for shooting someone over something minor (a bag) without trying to deescalate the situation first. It’s unfortunate because he was being chased by a mob, but he will be found guilty
I’m so fucking tired of the good guys being arrested and having the law enforce on them while these communist get to do whatever they want.
From our view you are right. We don't know his age do we? Or where he resides and where his gun permit allows for him to carry.
He's 17.
O don't know the gun laws there. I assume its 21 for AR or carry?
Yeah if you read the constitution it does say that it only applies to 21 year olds.
No it doesn't
Yes it does.
It's right after the amendment that says abortions are a right.
The left doesn’t care that he was a good person, anyone against them is instantly labeled the worst things imaginable in order for them to justify their own psychotic, inhuman behavior.
Edit: Got one coward downvote so far! Keep em coming, comrades!
They do care that he is a good person, that is why they are targeting him.
All because at the root of this, they want to fuck kids and worship satan.
Evil vampires.
These kids and young adults have more courage than I did when I was their age. Putting their life on the line because our fucking government won’t accept fucking aid. But oh after this now they will.
He's a lolbertarian. He was there to support BLM as long as they were attacking police and not businesses. His self-defense was justified, but he's not a hero.
He killed two commies and maimed another. That's a hero in my book.
This is the crucial point in all this. If he was there to protect businesses but also in support of BLM, he was aiding terrorism. IF (big IF) that is the case, then the act of self defense needs to be protected only as an example of self defense. Outside of that, I cannot find empathy or compassion for someone supporting terrorism.
IF the story about him being a libertarian is not true, or if it is not true that he was with a group that was actively supporting BLM but dumb enough to think they could control/direct the actions of the terrorists, then he needs to be defended 100%
He was also 17 - a child. Please keep that in mind. Everyone is easily susceptible to ideological influence, but even more so at that age.
I agree with that. There are a lot of variables. I am concerned that self defense is going to get trampled on this one though.
This
Are you ok with them killing each other then?
That's a hot take from that.
I've seen the video of them saying they support BLM, but I don't know the full context. They're arguing with riotous morons and trying to explain to them they're just there to stop the looting and arson. That's not the time to argue why marxism is terrible or why Black Lives Matter isn't really trying to stop racism.
"Sure we agree with your nonsense, but If your problem is with the police, then go burn down the police station and stop trying to burn down this small business."
He's a minor. Gonna get a crash course on reality over the next few weeks.
lol gonna get a crash course on reality for the rest of his life
Source please...
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1298506102049591296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1298506102049591296%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Fp%2FGvP3G5t0%2Fshooter-looks-to-have-actually-b%2Fc%2F
I mean I don’t see him personally saying that in that vid, but yeah if he is with the group that believes that bullshit, my respect went down a lot.
So he did not have pro-police Facebook posts as the media claims?
Fuck if I know man. All of us barely know who this guy is or what really happened. Obviously the videos posted on here show a pretty good case of self-defense, but who knows
I got yeah. Lot of misinformation
Hopefully we know more in the next few days, Pede
Look at all the people in that video again. I don't see him.... am I wrong?!
That video was the gas station crowd. Rittenhouse was apparently at the gas station at one point but who knows if he was affiliated with them or not. I recognized the tall, plaid shirt guy in that video. He was there at the gas station on the very first night of riots, one of the OG crew protecting that business.
Even if he wasn't in the crowd, some of his buddies were.
These are the people he shot: https://i.imgur.com/P5jIKLz.png
Who also happened to be seen aggressively confronting a second separate armed mob in a different video at a gas station. This guy has a very strong case for self-defense because these agitators were looking for armed people to intimidate. It wasn't why they got shot it was when were they gonna get shot. These 2 in particular were pushing the front lines to shove and make contact with anyone to get some aggression going. This is an addition to the fact he was being chased for several blocks.
He shot the "paramedic" in the arm as well correct?
spez - I had assumed most people reading my comment would know what I meant by "paramedic" but some messaged me for more info. I am referring to the criminal with the paramedic baseball cap that ran up and pointed a gun at Kyle when he was on the ground.
I don't remember any paramedic ever trying to point a glock at someone's head. Plus the paramedic was already a felon wielding a gun.
I didn't hear about that yet. Where is it reported he is a felon?
https://thedonald.win/p/GvP6dcxA/gaige-paul-grosskreutz-the-dude-/c/
Thanks!
We'll see if this pans out. I've seen people here do criminal record searches before and it turned out to be a case of mistaken identity.
Yeah, I'd make it a little clearer than putting "paramedic" in quotes, I'd call him "the convicted felon who was illegally carrying a concealed weapon and wearing the hat that said paramedic on it while aggressively pursuing, then faking surrender, then pointing his handgun at the man he pursued with obvious intent to kill him". A little long for casual use, but that's the guy.
Spez: It is not clear whether he was a CONVICTED felon. I will retract that part for now until there is reliable information.
And according to 4chan, his linkedin profile shows he worked (at least at one point) as a paramedic.
The video at the gas station where he tells the people to shoot him got removed, I'm trying to find that video so I can look for the paramedic as well. Will scour through some new videos and see if I can find him in the same mob.
For what it's worth his name is floating around and I found a LinkedIn profile with that name that claimed to be an EMT.
Kyle did nothing wrong. Kyle did nothing wrong. Kyle did nothing wrong. Kyle did nothing wrong. Kyle did nothing wrong. Kyle did nothing wrong.
Hey Hey Ho Ho, Our guy Kyle did nothing wrong.
We just want peace We just want peace
The only thing he did wrong was fail to take out the rest of the insurrectionists, but arguably that’s not his job.
He had very productive night. Started stacking attacking communists like cord wood. Turned that one dude's arm into an Arby's sandwich.
Castle Doctine in WI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Wisconsin#Castle_Doctrine
That's not true.
The bill provides criminal immunity (WI statute 939.48(1m)[13]) and protection from civil suits (WI statute 895.62 [14]) for homeowners or business owners who use a gun in self-defense while on their property, with the presumption that any action is justified.
No deadly force solely to protect property. 3rd party protection. If attack is provoked, self defense may only be used if reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm. If attack is provoked deadly force only allowed if all other reasonable means of avoidance exhausted.
In this case, once the shooter is attacked he is no longer protecting property, he is protecting himself.
Weird that they have no problem naming a white juvenile who justifuably uses self defense and has death threats against him by a racist mob, but won't name an Army Colonel (the whistleblower) who politicized his position because he needs "protection."
Are you talking about Eric Ciaramella?
You have been banned from reddit.
Get this kid legal representation by Lin Wood. Wood has a lot of experience with this sort of thing.
[email protected]
This is the DA of Kenosha County
I want to email him videos and pictures so bad, but knowing how commies operate he'll probably say by me emailing him video evidence it was evidence ill gotten will move to have it thrown out for the defense to use.
And of course he's a Democrat.
Why are Liberals mad I thought they always claimed the 2nd Amendment was for armed militias only?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE conceal your identity. I can not stress this enough!
wEaR a face MaSk. it'S fOr yOUr pRoTecTiOn. wE'rE aLL iN tHiS tOgEtHeR.
I would wait a bit. These things takes months.
Here you go.
https://gunslingerclub.com/product/kyle-rittenhouse-defense-fund/
I think he was justified but I think the chances of him getting a fair shake are pretty slim right now.
It would seem he may be fucked for possessing the gun if he really is under 18.
Illinois or Wisconsin both have minimum age of 18.
If he was committing a crime of possession, can he be charged for the deaths while doing it?
If he was 18 it would be clear cut self defense.
The age of 17 could add a pretty big twist.
Spez: Maybe not!
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/
From what I heard, in IL it's minimum age of 18 to purchase long guns, but no age stipulation on carrying.
He might be protected if his lawyer argues this https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
I saw you post that below.
He can legally be in a militia at 17, but how does that trump state age restrictions on long gun possession?
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Technically 2A trumps almost any and every law Surrounding gun ownership, but in practice, he’s probably fucked.
In Wisconsin he may be really fucked! I sure hope not.
What Felony Murder Is
Felony murder is an extra crime that exists in order to add severity to instances where a defendant's crime caused the death of another person. However, not all crimes will trigger the felony murder rule. Instead, it must be one of the crimes listed in the Wisconsin felony murder statute. These felonies are:
Battery;
Sexual assault;
Kidnapping;
Arson;
Burglary; or
Auto theft by force.
Importantly, the law does impose a final catchall category. Felony murder may also be charged for crimes committed using explosives or a dangerous weapon.
https://www.grgblaw.com/wisconsin-trial-lawyers/wisconsin-felony-murder-law
Because the state law is unconstitutional.
Because the Constitution trumps State laws.
Ya, except the above posted law says nothing about gun possession.
'Shall not be infringed' is more apt, yet the Supreme Court has held up states infringing before.
I fully hope he totally gets off. However if he is really 17 it is going to seriously complicate issue for him.
He is going to be cell mates with a Covid/Tuberculosis/HIV case... you can bet on it.
The DNC/BLM has him in their crosshairs.
I will throw $$ on his books and write him support.
I like this kid. Good kid and we should defend him all we can.
Now I'm hoping Ritterhouse speaks at the 2024 RNC.
MY FELLOW AMERICANS
They said he "fled" but the kids 17 and afraid, what would you do? Run to Mom & Dad for Protection.
he has hands up waiting for police, they drive past him. So what, he stays there and let more people mob him, jump him, or ambush him in the night?
Seems like going home sounds like a good idea to me.
He didn't flee. I saw the video when it happened. He turned himself over to police.
If they let him go after that, that's not fleeing.
God I hope so, or he'll definitely get time for atleast that
That’s not gonna hold up in court
He is a kid. How many lives have to be ruined before this madness stops?
Well duh Marxists arent Human.
If he isnt defended then our movement is meaningless
KYLE RITTENHOUSE DID NOTHING WRONG!
BASED RITTENHOUSE ROCKANDROLLER
This bullshit needs to end and end fast. They are going to push a narrative that will make it legal for a mob to kill you in the name of social justice and illegal for you to defend yourself, family, pr property.
If you ask me, the MAGA kid has already shown us how to take these sons of bitches down. Whenever the media blatantly lies about something the people involved need to sue. Blatantly Reporting lies needs to become a huge liability that deeply cuts into media profits. This is the only way we are going to make them honest.
I support this kid. He was trying to live up to the heritage of his country's history against oppression.
But lets get this straight he is not Sandmann.
Sandmann was in DC for a pro-life field trip. He put on a hat in support of a pro-life president and nearly got cancelled for no direct action.
So even though I support Rittenhouse its not fair to compare him to Sandmann. Please don't perpetuate the comparison.
We need both of these people in society to make it better. Those who bring change with action and those who bring change with inaction. But don't equate them.
Self defense while taking out marxist trash.
If they make this charge stick. The only option they leave Americans is to drop all the commies in the street and defend yourself against the communist government to the death.
Just heard the ABC news break on talk radio for my drive home. He was charged with murder "for shooting at protesters."
We have to win to stop these people's FAKE NEWS.
Fake news going to fake news. Sad.
I hate to say this, but he should've worn a mask 🤣🤣
BASED
"We don't have non lethal"
Kyle was subject to a violent attack by the leftist mob and he put that predator down as any patriot would. That's the facts.
I hope he sues the media and gets rich like Nick Sandmann
I haven't seen anything sue-able yet in the media.
they are being careful this time around lol
I would wait and get more info. He should turn himself in, get his story on record, then compare to footage and testimony of witnesses.
Save and archive all the evidence.
It's the Democrats fault this is happening. They've done everything they could to make these riots worse. They're not condemning the violence on the Left, they're not calling for the end of the riots. They're laying to the American people about what is really happening, the media is covering for fucking terrorists, they're not prosecuting the rioters, the ONLY time they send the police into squash the rioting is when THEIR homes are threatened. This is all by design and then they get up in front of the camera and they lie and smear and blame Trump. How much fucking longer are we supposed to fucking sit back and take it? Home much longer are we supposed to let them paint targets on all of us and our family until we do something? Lefty race-baiting grifters like Shaun King are openly calling for violence and Twitter and Facebook do nothing! Y'all honestly think these people are gonna accept the election when Trump wins? You are fooling yourselves if you do. They've declared war on us. They will come to our neighborhoods and burn them to the fucking ground if we don't submit to these fucking Marxist terrorists and the media, the democrats, the big tech companies will cover for them when they do. You will be the criminal. You will be the ones they want punished.
“Dispatch. 1/23/2044. Washington D.C.
President Rittenhouse took the oath of office earlier today on the steps of the Supreme Court, surrounded by his family. The crowd size attending the ceremony was estimated at 1 million.”
That's why I say hey man good shot. What a good shot man.