I don't think so, the mob doesn't think like that. Kyle would have been a limp body in the street and they'd have another stolen firearm in commie hands
No, 18 and over. But it’s not a felony. There is also no law about state lines. Person who got him the gun could be looking at a felony if he’s convicted.
As 16 and older don't need an adult to carry a rifle alone (idea is re hunting, but if the statute fits...). Just better hope, as a non-resident and re: the feds, that there was no school within x feet unless Biden looses big-time.
948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1) In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2)
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
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(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age
>if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593
Holy shit that is one of the worst written things I have read. They just make up shit like it real "what if there was a school close?" I wouldn't take their expert they talked to for any advice. Hunting? Dear god.
WI statute 175.37[34]
Possession of a dangerous weapon by anyone under 18 is a class A misdemeanor. Giving/loaning/selling a dangerous weapon to someone under 18 is a class I felony.
That the law. It would pretty dumb to say he was hunting or anything else
Defenses to prosecution under this statute:
Target practice under the supervision of an adult
Members of armed forces or police under 18 in the line of duty
Hunting (either with an adult or having passed hunter's safety)
I would tell my lawyer to fuck off if he tried to use any of those. Self Defense is really the only thing they need to be focused on.
Honestly, the law does not say you have to use the exception for hunting.
I would argue the point for any client and expect to win with a fair judge. After all, it would be 100% fine if Kyle was about 4 months and a bit over one week older.
The self defence is for the shootings. But works better if Kyle violated no other law first directly related to his self defence (clean hands). And can help get him off with no criminal record and then become a cop in a MAGA sheriff's office.
This is the question I keep asking and can't find an answer to. I think he should be able to carry, but I want to know if he can legally because I want to know what charges they will throw at him.
Not to mention they tried to take the gun from his hands after attacking him. The attack was enough for self defense, but it could also be said that beyond the immediate assault, they were also committing armed robbery, along with trying to take unlawful possession of a weapon, at the very least.
Oh I understand that fully. But when you present the case it falls apart. Just like w/ the McCloskey's in MO after the DA finished grandstanding and political fundraising, the AG sent a letter and the charges were summarily dismissed.
I don't understand where all of those shots went while he ran around the car. Also, where is his Militia pals? Why can I not see gun bursts out of the barrel, I just see powder smoke?
It's not certain that he actually shot that guy. They're a lot of weirdness like it's not clear exactly the nature of that guy's gunshot wound.
He was looking right at Kyle or at least it would seem that way (could have turned his head but doesn't look like it). The wound looks like either a hit from the side instead (see in the videos if anyone is standing to the right) or a graze you might not expect to penetrate or kill. I'm not an expert in wounds but I think they need to check that bullet with his gun.
Given the damage done to the arm I'd expect the head to be in very bad shape than it is but then soft tissue is much more different to skull.
There are noises of gunshots before and Kyle can clearly hit a target a point blank.
We hear one shot then three or four, maybe more I forget or didn't really tally or pay attention.
I could be wrong but when it goes down it looks like he's about to grab Kyle and he falls right in front of where Kyle is. It looks like a strange place to be shot and hit at given the range.
The guy on the right seems to have his hand pointed out in the direction of where the black supremacist white hothead skinhead was shot in the side of the head. He is also a halfpint though so the barrel might more light up to the head.
What if the second guy was shooting at Kyle but hit half pint instead?
I think the bullet may have gone up his nose and then out the side of his head?
This would be a 2020 twist. Find out some one else killed bald guy. Find him. Convict him of both deaths (death as a direct result of felony) kid joins the marines.
I thought someone was shooting at Kyle. The guy who took his shirt off seemed to have both hands on an object in front of his body.
It's true, the number of gun shot to the point blank wound does not add up. Also the gun does not show bursts at night which is odd for 5.56. Could be the rounds but still I don't see a single burst in any of the angles.
The Militia pals not assisting Kyle to the photo of him having a photo day wearing the same clothes cleaning graffiti...to the amount of under cover cops creeping in the shadows. They didn't even arrest him when he walked up.
I've wondered that as well. Could also be fireworks or police elsewhere shooting rubber bullets or something.
Will have to wait for more details like who the first guy is who I bet has priors and if for example it turns out that's an exist wound or basically we get trajectory from the autopsy.
If Kyle shot him then it's self defence still and I think the argument of being too young is a joke.
There are other mysteries like how Kyle ended up alone and unsupervised.
There is something else to watch closely for. All three were around early when that "shoot me" thins started if you dig around for the videos. Those three appear to have been together.
You see when skinhead is shouting glock walks by in front of the camera and skateboard guy is standing being creepy with skinhead walking around him.
Then we see skinhead chasing down Kyle. Skateboard and glock are also in the lead chasing Kyle down so were probably nearby. I wonder if glock hadn't fired shots already. If so he was a terrible shot.
Given the criminal records of glock and skateboard, their apparent sticking together, the behaviour of skinhead which presents a criminal mind if they weren't a gang or mates. Birds of a feather.
I assume the militia lost sight of him and the cops just either didn't know what was going on.
Great observations. I agree with what you are sharing. I get a sense that Kyle's Militia pals have a lot of explaining to do.
Kyle and team stayed in a tight formation near the gas station when confronted. Then we have a gap in time with the next video of Kyle showing him being chased. The skinhead happened to be in the same location Kyle was sprinting toward. That interaction seemed natural (not planned or influenced). While Kyle and Skinhead have a confrontation. A man recording a video across the street is having conversing with someone that seems to be undercover. What happens next is the most interesting.
After Kyle shoots Nubhead he takes off running. Certain people bark orders to the crowd. They say, "chase him" and people start chasing Kyle.
Then we hear, "knock him down" and 2 people eventually knock him down. Then we hear, "take his gun." This one is strange because why would they try to take his rifle? Especially the guy with the gun? We see the guy shot in the arm with a pistol. He could have used it and kept his distance but he is very focused on taking the rifle as instructed. Very bizarre.
I assume ANTIFA is a cult like movement and these rioters are programmed like NPCs. They chant, repeat talking points...and act on command.
These people often mass rob someone like piranhas. Usually just for anything they have.
A rifle is actually extremely valuable especially to a felon that has a hard time getting a weapon and especially when it's then not traceable.
However that's not required for them to say take his gun. They are setting upon him, they would say that either way.
I have wondered if that might be a motivating factor.
Many people missed that the boy was actually also hit while running down the road. The boy didn't run from the first shooter immediately. He ran back around to take a look. Many people didn't see what exactly had happened, it was quick, people were spread out, dark and between the cars.
The first time, chasing someone with a gun was retarded but the second time even more so. "I'll fucking do it again." material. After winding out what happens when you chase this kid down then catch up with them they go and do it again.
There's a wider shot where you see skateboard guy and his crew (four of them) running around. The black guy that was gripping his waist band in the first confrontation also seems to have been dragging one of the people away in the second shooting.
I don't think he was the same black guy that did the head kick, he looks like an original to me (he is taller and if I remember in jeans) but I never really checked or looked closely. Neither hand I looked closely at the person who his him on the back of the head that you can't tell if its a boy or girl or not to see if they're in the scene earlier as well.
A serious question is where did that glock go? In one video you see him sweep the ground with his arm like a brush to dislodge the gun. Did he just leave it there? That seems improper, anyone could pick it up. Also how did he get it? What crimes might it be linked to?
Indeed I have wondered why is he has a glock he doesn't just use it straight away rather than closing in to extreme range. I wonder if it was not loaded or loaded with blanks. Otherwise I'm pretty sure he was going to shoot Kyle in the side of the head like his friend was shot or execution style probably from behind.
The militia may have been mobile because the criminal gangs would go for one property, find it defended so then go next door so to speak. He may have gotten split up in that chaos.
He also apparently works at one of the businesses he was defending so he may have gone on his own to protect it or check it out. He may have been defending his own livelihood.
Nothing he was doing warranted skinhead attacking him.
There's on video of him standing guard in the vehicle lot on the right side with one other person.
When he's first seen running into the parking lot it's not far from the right side where he was guarding but he's on the road rather than a bit further down when we see him running with the other guy nearby jogging to intercept.
He could have briefly gotten split up, maybe went across the road for something or the other guy went to the loo.
Kyle may have just been running to hook back up. Still a mystery how the running started for both of them.
In another video it appears as though the police do take the handgun which is described as loaded. Someone says to them when they get there that there's a loaded hand gun in the street to pick up.
Do we have a full identification of the object that was thrown? It looked to be a bag with possibly a bottle in it - it didn't look like a brick but would love to see some confirmation on this.
Legal open carry in WI, legal castle defense to protect from imminent bodily harm. Tried to flee danger.
If he lost his legal weapon to his attackers he would have been killed.
If he didn't land that shot on the guy armed with a handgun, he would've been executed by him.
I actually think that dumbass was thinking he could just put his Glock to Kyle's head and make him surrender so he could say "see cops it's easy"
Instead he's new nickname is Stumpy
I don't think so, the mob doesn't think like that. Kyle would have been a limp body in the street and they'd have another stolen firearm in commie hands
Any update on that faggot? Hope he lost the arm.
Can we really refer to a sex offender who is 5'3 as a "dude"? I feel like "deranged oompaloompa" is more fitting.
Are all of antifa sex offenders? The guy who got domed was, and so was Blake - the one the "protest" was for?
Stumpy peodo Pedo frodo The sawed off kid diddler
17 year old can legal carry in WI?
No, 18 and over. But it’s not a felony. There is also no law about state lines. Person who got him the gun could be looking at a felony if he’s convicted.
Not a handgun. May be fine!
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/
Edit:. Very good he is over 15: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/29/IV/304
Cross reference:. https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/55
29.304 above may help save his ass.
As 16 and older don't need an adult to carry a rifle alone (idea is re hunting, but if the statute fits...). Just better hope, as a non-resident and re: the feds, that there was no school within x feet unless Biden looses big-time.
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>if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593
Holy shit that is one of the worst written things I have read. They just make up shit like it real "what if there was a school close?" I wouldn't take their expert they talked to for any advice. Hunting? Dear god.
WI statute 175.37[34]
Possession of a dangerous weapon by anyone under 18 is a class A misdemeanor. Giving/loaning/selling a dangerous weapon to someone under 18 is a class I felony.
That the law. It would pretty dumb to say he was hunting or anything else
Defenses to prosecution under this statute:
Target practice under the supervision of an adult
Members of armed forces or police under 18 in the line of duty
Hunting (either with an adult or having passed hunter's safety)
I would tell my lawyer to fuck off if he tried to use any of those. Self Defense is really the only thing they need to be focused on.
Honestly, the law does not say you have to use the exception for hunting.
I would argue the point for any client and expect to win with a fair judge. After all, it would be 100% fine if Kyle was about 4 months and a bit over one week older.
The self defence is for the shootings. But works better if Kyle violated no other law first directly related to his self defence (clean hands). And can help get him off with no criminal record and then become a cop in a MAGA sheriff's office.
That’s the thing. He’s so close to 18 I just don’t see that charge even being pressed.
This is the question I keep asking and can't find an answer to. I think he should be able to carry, but I want to know if he can legally because I want to know what charges they will throw at him.
Not to mention they tried to take the gun from his hands after attacking him. The attack was enough for self defense, but it could also be said that beyond the immediate assault, they were also committing armed robbery, along with trying to take unlawful possession of a weapon, at the very least.
He’s 17. That may be a problem
Why would you chase after someone thats holding a hot ar?
Dwarf Talcum forgot the oldest rule in the book -- don't bring a bag of crap to a gunfight.
because Soros and CNN told them they would be immune from reprisals
Low IQ. No, seriously, they are that dumb.
Not a lawyer but I would guess this will be defense and it will not make it to a courtroom. The charges will be dropped.
Never forget, optics mean more to liberals than results.
Oh I understand that fully. But when you present the case it falls apart. Just like w/ the McCloskey's in MO after the DA finished grandstanding and political fundraising, the AG sent a letter and the charges were summarily dismissed.
Wisconsin is a bit more cucked than MO though
I really hope your right. But I absolutely see this going to trial.
Well, I'm an observer not a lawyer. But I would guess the defense would seek a change of venue. No way a jury convicts him.
I don't understand where all of those shots went while he ran around the car. Also, where is his Militia pals? Why can I not see gun bursts out of the barrel, I just see powder smoke?
It's not certain that he actually shot that guy. They're a lot of weirdness like it's not clear exactly the nature of that guy's gunshot wound.
He was looking right at Kyle or at least it would seem that way (could have turned his head but doesn't look like it). The wound looks like either a hit from the side instead (see in the videos if anyone is standing to the right) or a graze you might not expect to penetrate or kill. I'm not an expert in wounds but I think they need to check that bullet with his gun.
Given the damage done to the arm I'd expect the head to be in very bad shape than it is but then soft tissue is much more different to skull.
There are noises of gunshots before and Kyle can clearly hit a target a point blank.
We hear one shot then three or four, maybe more I forget or didn't really tally or pay attention.
I could be wrong but when it goes down it looks like he's about to grab Kyle and he falls right in front of where Kyle is. It looks like a strange place to be shot and hit at given the range.
The guy on the right seems to have his hand pointed out in the direction of where the black supremacist white hothead skinhead was shot in the side of the head. He is also a halfpint though so the barrel might more light up to the head.
What if the second guy was shooting at Kyle but hit half pint instead?
I think the bullet may have gone up his nose and then out the side of his head?
This would be a 2020 twist. Find out some one else killed bald guy. Find him. Convict him of both deaths (death as a direct result of felony) kid joins the marines.
I thought someone was shooting at Kyle. The guy who took his shirt off seemed to have both hands on an object in front of his body.
It's true, the number of gun shot to the point blank wound does not add up. Also the gun does not show bursts at night which is odd for 5.56. Could be the rounds but still I don't see a single burst in any of the angles.
The Militia pals not assisting Kyle to the photo of him having a photo day wearing the same clothes cleaning graffiti...to the amount of under cover cops creeping in the shadows. They didn't even arrest him when he walked up.
I've wondered that as well. Could also be fireworks or police elsewhere shooting rubber bullets or something.
Will have to wait for more details like who the first guy is who I bet has priors and if for example it turns out that's an exist wound or basically we get trajectory from the autopsy.
If Kyle shot him then it's self defence still and I think the argument of being too young is a joke.
There are other mysteries like how Kyle ended up alone and unsupervised.
There is something else to watch closely for. All three were around early when that "shoot me" thins started if you dig around for the videos. Those three appear to have been together.
You see when skinhead is shouting glock walks by in front of the camera and skateboard guy is standing being creepy with skinhead walking around him.
Then we see skinhead chasing down Kyle. Skateboard and glock are also in the lead chasing Kyle down so were probably nearby. I wonder if glock hadn't fired shots already. If so he was a terrible shot.
Given the criminal records of glock and skateboard, their apparent sticking together, the behaviour of skinhead which presents a criminal mind if they weren't a gang or mates. Birds of a feather.
I assume the militia lost sight of him and the cops just either didn't know what was going on.
Great observations. I agree with what you are sharing. I get a sense that Kyle's Militia pals have a lot of explaining to do.
Kyle and team stayed in a tight formation near the gas station when confronted. Then we have a gap in time with the next video of Kyle showing him being chased. The skinhead happened to be in the same location Kyle was sprinting toward. That interaction seemed natural (not planned or influenced). While Kyle and Skinhead have a confrontation. A man recording a video across the street is having conversing with someone that seems to be undercover. What happens next is the most interesting.
After Kyle shoots Nubhead he takes off running. Certain people bark orders to the crowd. They say, "chase him" and people start chasing Kyle. Then we hear, "knock him down" and 2 people eventually knock him down. Then we hear, "take his gun." This one is strange because why would they try to take his rifle? Especially the guy with the gun? We see the guy shot in the arm with a pistol. He could have used it and kept his distance but he is very focused on taking the rifle as instructed. Very bizarre.
I assume ANTIFA is a cult like movement and these rioters are programmed like NPCs. They chant, repeat talking points...and act on command.
These people often mass rob someone like piranhas. Usually just for anything they have.
A rifle is actually extremely valuable especially to a felon that has a hard time getting a weapon and especially when it's then not traceable.
However that's not required for them to say take his gun. They are setting upon him, they would say that either way.
I have wondered if that might be a motivating factor.
Many people missed that the boy was actually also hit while running down the road. The boy didn't run from the first shooter immediately. He ran back around to take a look. Many people didn't see what exactly had happened, it was quick, people were spread out, dark and between the cars.
The first time, chasing someone with a gun was retarded but the second time even more so. "I'll fucking do it again." material. After winding out what happens when you chase this kid down then catch up with them they go and do it again.
There's a wider shot where you see skateboard guy and his crew (four of them) running around. The black guy that was gripping his waist band in the first confrontation also seems to have been dragging one of the people away in the second shooting.
I don't think he was the same black guy that did the head kick, he looks like an original to me (he is taller and if I remember in jeans) but I never really checked or looked closely. Neither hand I looked closely at the person who his him on the back of the head that you can't tell if its a boy or girl or not to see if they're in the scene earlier as well.
A serious question is where did that glock go? In one video you see him sweep the ground with his arm like a brush to dislodge the gun. Did he just leave it there? That seems improper, anyone could pick it up. Also how did he get it? What crimes might it be linked to?
Indeed I have wondered why is he has a glock he doesn't just use it straight away rather than closing in to extreme range. I wonder if it was not loaded or loaded with blanks. Otherwise I'm pretty sure he was going to shoot Kyle in the side of the head like his friend was shot or execution style probably from behind.
The militia may have been mobile because the criminal gangs would go for one property, find it defended so then go next door so to speak. He may have gotten split up in that chaos.
He also apparently works at one of the businesses he was defending so he may have gone on his own to protect it or check it out. He may have been defending his own livelihood.
Kyle jogged by himself towards the parked cars that resulted in the altercation that led to the victim being shot in the head.
You wrote:
I don't recall Kyle ever being shot at. Are you saying the guy shot in the head shot at Kyle first?
I mean shooting.
Nothing he was doing warranted skinhead attacking him.
There's on video of him standing guard in the vehicle lot on the right side with one other person.
When he's first seen running into the parking lot it's not far from the right side where he was guarding but he's on the road rather than a bit further down when we see him running with the other guy nearby jogging to intercept.
He could have briefly gotten split up, maybe went across the road for something or the other guy went to the loo.
Kyle may have just been running to hook back up. Still a mystery how the running started for both of them.
In another video it appears as though the police do take the handgun which is described as loaded. Someone says to them when they get there that there's a loaded hand gun in the street to pick up.
sometimes the camera does not pick up muzzle flash, or there may not have been muzzle flash.
A lot of shots in the dark and many different cameras. I still find it strange. Could be nothing but I would expect at least 1
Also, was this before or after the other video?
DA:"But he went there armed looking for trouble." "No. He was exercising his legal rights. His assaulters fucked around and found out, Your Honor."
Are you a good lawyer?
Is Kyle a paramedic?
Nice defense. Works for me.
Do we have a full identification of the object that was thrown? It looked to be a bag with possibly a bottle in it - it didn't look like a brick but would love to see some confirmation on this.
Does anyone know why he was chasing him anyway?