Here is an article that explains it much better than I can. Vigilante justice is one reason that a sex offender should not be forced to register for the rest of their lives. There should be a cut-off date that if they have remained law abiding for a certain amount of time, they should no longer be forced to register. It's the same thing as being in jail, except without the bars and guards.
Registry means that your neighbors are INFORMED about your past.
Public record means they have to know your full name and look it up themselves if they are so inclined.
It's a lot easier to judge someone when a text is sent to your phone with all the particulars of their criminal past, than to get to know them, find out they are decent people and then take it upon yourself to delve into their public records.
Imagine a sex offender who has never committed another crime, marries and has children, a decent job, and becomes a productive member of society. Then vigilantes invade his home and in the process hurts and/or kills his wife and children. Or burns down the house with his wife and kids in it. Is it fair to the people who live with a convicted sex offender to have their address publicly identified as such? Should a sex offender never be able to lead a normal life again?
Fucking of course not and I’m not making that argument, clearly. You still have not told me the difference between registering and crimes being public record. Ive been clear that I don’t understand and am legitimately seeking clarification and you continue to throw out these hypotheticals. I was literally just trying to understand this situation at a deeper level but I’m not going to run in circles and continue having to ask the same question and get another what if about speeding or someone burning a house down followed by “is it fair?!”
I’m not saying it’s fair, I’m trying to understand how it happens regarding something I’m clearly not familiar with.
When someone is convicted of a sex crime, regardless if they are 18 and had a relationship with a 15 or even 16 year old, or if they are 40 years old and molests 6 year olds, they are required to register every 6 months with the local sheriff at every address they move to for the rest of their lives.
Periodically, texts are sent out to neighbors telling them who the sex offenders are in their neighborhoods. There are also sites you can go to that shows all the sex offenders in a certain zip code.
The problem is there is no clarification as to whether it's a 50 year old pedophile who has offended countless times, or a one-time offender that was convicted as a teenager.
Anyone can pull up a criminal's record for theft, DUI, etc. on sites like "mugshot.com" if you already know their name.
But you’re saying mugshot.com for example doesn’t contain their addresses? So the issue is the addresses on the registry? Vs no addresses published for public records?
Also you can just say “sex offender” you don’t need to qualify it by comparing the two extremes. I am aware there is a broad range of what that could mean
So, theoretically though if you see them on the registry you can look up the record/nature of their crimes. So whatever they said of rosenbaum “two counts sexual abuse minor under 15” you would find by searching the public record?
Because no other crime is punished after the sentence has been completed. Registering as a sexual offender is requiring someone to report to the state for the rest of their lives despite completing the punishment given by the courts.
Could you imagine paying your speeding ticket but being forced to send a letter to all your neighbors telling them that even though the ticket was paid, you still might speed again in the neighborhood?
Other crimes are absolutely punished after the sentence is finished. Felons lose rights for life and have difficulties getting housing and apartments.
What punishment, outside of being on a registry, do sex offenders continue to have that other felons don’t? And if everything is public record then why does it matter if they’re on a registry or not? I’m genuinely wondering
Telling their neighbors- is there anything else I’m missing? Just send the letter. For the record I support making murderers/arsonists/battery-ists? do that too. I’m with you that sex offenders shouldn’t be singled out for that
It would be no different than you getting caught shoplifting and for the rest of your life, once a month your face would appear on the news reminding the public of what you did. If not for the media publishing your face, not everyone would know you were a thief. It's a scarlet letter. Should adulterers be forced to wear an "A" on their clothing the rest of their lives? The Nazis forced Jews to wear a Star of David on their clothing because they painted the Jews as criminals. Are you a Christian? If so, then you understand the process of forgiveness of sin. Society has deemed criminals to be "rehabilitated" after finishing their sentences, but can anyone be rehabilitated when they have others constantly pointing the finger at them after they've reformed? it's not just about informing the public. It's whether a teen can redeem themselves by the time they're 30 or 35 without the shame of one mistake following them forever.
Ok. I asked a very specific question and again with all these other things appealing to emotion 😒
There was some objective information I wanted- I was trying to be informed, not make an argument either way. I’m not saying any of that is right, and I agree there was a lot of fucked up stuff about it. But everytime I ask for clarifying info (not accusing anyone of anything) I get this. I just wanted to further my understanding by getting info about objective questions. Have a good one.
Yeah- I certainly understand the point that each crime has its own circumstance, but you’re right that I fail to see the relevance.
If it’s all public record then what difference does it make if that person is also on a registry?
Here is an article that explains it much better than I can. Vigilante justice is one reason that a sex offender should not be forced to register for the rest of their lives. There should be a cut-off date that if they have remained law abiding for a certain amount of time, they should no longer be forced to register. It's the same thing as being in jail, except without the bars and guards.
https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2017/may/5/vigilantes-assault-rob-and-murder-registered-sex-offenders/
Please... please answer this question. I’ve asked it several times. Please because I obviously cannot wrap my head around it.
If everything is public record, then what difference does “being on a registry” make?
Registry means that your neighbors are INFORMED about your past.
Public record means they have to know your full name and look it up themselves if they are so inclined.
It's a lot easier to judge someone when a text is sent to your phone with all the particulars of their criminal past, than to get to know them, find out they are decent people and then take it upon yourself to delve into their public records.
Does or does not public record include addresses?
Imagine a sex offender who has never committed another crime, marries and has children, a decent job, and becomes a productive member of society. Then vigilantes invade his home and in the process hurts and/or kills his wife and children. Or burns down the house with his wife and kids in it. Is it fair to the people who live with a convicted sex offender to have their address publicly identified as such? Should a sex offender never be able to lead a normal life again?
Fucking of course not and I’m not making that argument, clearly. You still have not told me the difference between registering and crimes being public record. Ive been clear that I don’t understand and am legitimately seeking clarification and you continue to throw out these hypotheticals. I was literally just trying to understand this situation at a deeper level but I’m not going to run in circles and continue having to ask the same question and get another what if about speeding or someone burning a house down followed by “is it fair?!”
I’m not saying it’s fair, I’m trying to understand how it happens regarding something I’m clearly not familiar with.
When someone is convicted of a sex crime, regardless if they are 18 and had a relationship with a 15 or even 16 year old, or if they are 40 years old and molests 6 year olds, they are required to register every 6 months with the local sheriff at every address they move to for the rest of their lives.
Periodically, texts are sent out to neighbors telling them who the sex offenders are in their neighborhoods. There are also sites you can go to that shows all the sex offenders in a certain zip code.
The problem is there is no clarification as to whether it's a 50 year old pedophile who has offended countless times, or a one-time offender that was convicted as a teenager.
Anyone can pull up a criminal's record for theft, DUI, etc. on sites like "mugshot.com" if you already know their name.
But you’re saying mugshot.com for example doesn’t contain their addresses? So the issue is the addresses on the registry? Vs no addresses published for public records?
Also you can just say “sex offender” you don’t need to qualify it by comparing the two extremes. I am aware there is a broad range of what that could mean
So, theoretically though if you see them on the registry you can look up the record/nature of their crimes. So whatever they said of rosenbaum “two counts sexual abuse minor under 15” you would find by searching the public record?
Because no other crime is punished after the sentence has been completed. Registering as a sexual offender is requiring someone to report to the state for the rest of their lives despite completing the punishment given by the courts.
Could you imagine paying your speeding ticket but being forced to send a letter to all your neighbors telling them that even though the ticket was paid, you still might speed again in the neighborhood?
Other crimes are absolutely punished after the sentence is finished. Felons lose rights for life and have difficulties getting housing and apartments.
What punishment, outside of being on a registry, do sex offenders continue to have that other felons don’t? And if everything is public record then why does it matter if they’re on a registry or not? I’m genuinely wondering
Telling their neighbors- is there anything else I’m missing? Just send the letter. For the record I support making murderers/arsonists/battery-ists? do that too. I’m with you that sex offenders shouldn’t be singled out for that
It would be no different than you getting caught shoplifting and for the rest of your life, once a month your face would appear on the news reminding the public of what you did. If not for the media publishing your face, not everyone would know you were a thief. It's a scarlet letter. Should adulterers be forced to wear an "A" on their clothing the rest of their lives? The Nazis forced Jews to wear a Star of David on their clothing because they painted the Jews as criminals. Are you a Christian? If so, then you understand the process of forgiveness of sin. Society has deemed criminals to be "rehabilitated" after finishing their sentences, but can anyone be rehabilitated when they have others constantly pointing the finger at them after they've reformed? it's not just about informing the public. It's whether a teen can redeem themselves by the time they're 30 or 35 without the shame of one mistake following them forever.
Ok. I asked a very specific question and again with all these other things appealing to emotion 😒
There was some objective information I wanted- I was trying to be informed, not make an argument either way. I’m not saying any of that is right, and I agree there was a lot of fucked up stuff about it. But everytime I ask for clarifying info (not accusing anyone of anything) I get this. I just wanted to further my understanding by getting info about objective questions. Have a good one.