Bonus: In 2015 during an arrest and search of his car they found a gun under a floorboard in the driver seat. During this recent shooting they found a knife under the same floorboard.
The criminal was shot multiple times with bullets. He drove himself to the hospital. I assume he was on some drugs because you don't get shot multiple times and tased multiple times and do that.
The cops weren't trained well enough and they need better equipment. Tasers are often not effective enough so the only other option is multiple bullets.
It's pretty common training now that you never have all the officers at the scene with less than lethal in their hands. Obviously if it's only a single officer, he does what he does. But if you have 2 or more, at least one needs lethal force in hand standing by not going hands on just in case.
If we really wanna talk about meaningful police reform, I'll start. Single officer patrols should not be a thing. If your city can't afford putting two cops in each car every shift no matter what, you need to reallocate your budget so you can. There is no reason to have one lone guy out there dealing with this shit by himself. Cough up the dough and fix that. Hell I'll even throw a bone to the handful of actually well-intentioned but misguided leftists (not the aware commies though, they get the scaffold) and say that we should even have one of those two officers be trained in social work. In addition to being a fully armed, equipped, and trained certified police officer, but have one of the two be a certified social worker as well. But there needs to be at least 2 at all times.
I agree there should always be at least two. Cops could and should be trained. Most western, and many non, actually train their cops longer and have higher yearly requirements then many US departments.
Most people in the field of law enforcement say there needs to be reform of the US police system overall. That doesn't mean less money, or firing cops. It does mean giving more support in other fields.
That includes Mental health which is the single largest cause of violent crimes.
Long story short, Euro police tend to have national police forces where the schooling aspect and the training aspect are all lumped into one big program. US police tend to require a candidate to get the schooling done on their own, the police academy is considered a separate program, and the Field Training is a separate third aspect. If you combined all three into one big "police training" thing like the Euros do, the time spent in training/schooling to be a police officer would be roughly the same.
In Norway its like 3 years school to become police, in america its like 2 months or something? Cant really compare tho, since Norwegian police dont go into warzones everyday at work, but still
That's actually a big misconception that reddit likes to throw around for a few reason. First, in those Euro nations they mean when they say it takes several years, they're including getting a degree in being a police officer in that, which is similar to many police officers getting a degree in criminal justice here in the US. The actual police training part of the 3 year program is roughly the same length of the training in the US, it's just lumped in with getting a degree to make it seem longer.
Second, many of those Euro nations are talking about a National Police of some kind, which are often actually part of their military. The US doesn't have a national police, though you could say the FBI is the closest we have, and it actually takes more than 3 years of combined training to get into that. The US has 18,000 separate and independent police departments who all have their own hiring standards, spread among 50 states that all have their own certification standards. So there is no "police in America", there are 18,000 departments with at least 50 sets of standards for how to get in. The vast majority of the state certification boards require at least an Associate's Degree (2 years) to even be eligible to apply to attend a police academy. You aren't even allowed to try to become a police officer unless you already have a degree. The academies themselves are more like 6-8 months, not 2. The state that's granting the certification puts out that to be a peace officer in that state you need 120 hours of criminal code training, 40 hours of firearms training, 50 hours of emergency vehicle driving, 16 hours of first responded medical training, and on and on. That's to graduate a police academy in that state at all. Actually getting hired by a department after you're certified can mane you have even stricter requirements, such as the state requiring a 2 years degree, but this particular department requires a 4 year degree. They might also have an addition 100 or so hours of specific city mandated training, especially if it's a big city with a lot of city laws that they wouldn't even teach in the academy for everyone else in the state. So if you want to be a cop in Michigan, you have to be certified to the Michigan standard, and then you can apply to any number of the hundreds of departments in Michigan only, and some of them might make you do more than what the state did to get in.
Then once you have your license to be a peace officer you got from the academy in hand (and it's only valid in your state), and you've been hired by a department, you enter the Field Training period. This is where you'll ride around with veteran training police officers for anywhere from 4-18 months, depending on the department, and you're basically on probation the entire time. You're there to learn and watch and do what you're told, the veteran training officer is like a 1 on 1 teacher. But you're technically already a licensed and sworn police officer. If Norway or some other Euro country includes this sort of on the job training in their "it takes 3 years" total, but excludes it from the US time frame, that's another reason why the numbers of so different.
So no, what you've probably heard or been told on reddit how it takes 3 years to become a cop in Norway or Sweden or wherever while some bumbling idiot with a GED can just show up and start being a cop 2 months later is total malarkey. There are over 18,000 separate departments in the US, and 50 states that all have different standards for who they will license to be a police officer. Is it possible there is some small police department of 11 people out in the middle of nowhere Georgia that doesn't require a degee, only has a 3 month academy, and their state doesn't require any college? It's possible. I haven't looked into the standards for all 50 states and I'm sure not going to track down the hiring standards for thousands of police departments. But it's not the norm if that case does exist.
The standard that by far the most common in the US is at least a 2 year college degree to be eligible at all, a 6-8 month police academy, and about a year of field training to finally be considered a fully trained cop. You will find the vast majority of departments have standards that look a lot like that.
Awesome comment. Thank you for dispelling common misconceptions (reddit bullshit) about US vs Euro police training. Thanks for taking the time to explain this.
In Norway it's 3 years of police school to become police, idk about other European nations. Source: I live here and I know a cop and someone studying to become one
I was a cop in the United States. It took me 4 and a half years of combined schooling and training to become one. Whoever told you it takes a few months lied to you.
I remember that from my time in a police academy. Dep. Dinkheller had recently undergone department wide training against excessive use of force. We'll never know what was going through his mind at the time, but I would be willing to bet having "don't use excessive force" drilled into him recently played a part in his death.
When he yells, "I'm in fear for my life" you know damn well that he's more worried about being put in jail than the threat that took his life a few seconds later.
That perp was on some serious drugs and put up a hellacious fight. This is a good lesson on why you should empty a magazine on someone threatening your life.
Perp loses consciousness. Wakes up in cuffs. If done properly, it is the single best way to subdue another human being with minimal risk of serious injury.
Brutal.
God I remember seeing this before and that scream is haunting
And then no more screaming.
Did the officers in this incident survive? When did this occur?
A little more context would be helpful.
Show this video to every Jacob Blake apologist and enjoy the mental gymnastics routine.
Bonus: In 2015 during an arrest and search of his car they found a gun under a floorboard in the driver seat. During this recent shooting they found a knife under the same floorboard.
For the guy in the video or Blake?
Blake
Luckily the officers survived.
The criminal was shot multiple times with bullets. He drove himself to the hospital. I assume he was on some drugs because you don't get shot multiple times and tased multiple times and do that.
The cops weren't trained well enough and they need better equipment. Tasers are often not effective enough so the only other option is multiple bullets.
It's pretty common training now that you never have all the officers at the scene with less than lethal in their hands. Obviously if it's only a single officer, he does what he does. But if you have 2 or more, at least one needs lethal force in hand standing by not going hands on just in case.
Which is good. Cops do not get enough support and are asked to do too much.
If we really wanna talk about meaningful police reform, I'll start. Single officer patrols should not be a thing. If your city can't afford putting two cops in each car every shift no matter what, you need to reallocate your budget so you can. There is no reason to have one lone guy out there dealing with this shit by himself. Cough up the dough and fix that. Hell I'll even throw a bone to the handful of actually well-intentioned but misguided leftists (not the aware commies though, they get the scaffold) and say that we should even have one of those two officers be trained in social work. In addition to being a fully armed, equipped, and trained certified police officer, but have one of the two be a certified social worker as well. But there needs to be at least 2 at all times.
100% this. Why the fuck aren't people actually talking about solutions like this? They just wanna defund and rampage.
they want to defund and "rebuild" in their leftist image. Check, one more institution taken over by marxism.
There arent many left.
I agree there should always be at least two. Cops could and should be trained. Most western, and many non, actually train their cops longer and have higher yearly requirements then many US departments.
Most people in the field of law enforcement say there needs to be reform of the US police system overall. That doesn't mean less money, or firing cops. It does mean giving more support in other fields.
That includes Mental health which is the single largest cause of violent crimes.
The thing about European police officers getting trained much longer is a myth which I responded to elsewhere in this thread.
Interesting. I will try to look for it.
Long story short, Euro police tend to have national police forces where the schooling aspect and the training aspect are all lumped into one big program. US police tend to require a candidate to get the schooling done on their own, the police academy is considered a separate program, and the Field Training is a separate third aspect. If you combined all three into one big "police training" thing like the Euros do, the time spent in training/schooling to be a police officer would be roughly the same.
In Norway its like 3 years school to become police, in america its like 2 months or something? Cant really compare tho, since Norwegian police dont go into warzones everyday at work, but still
That's actually a big misconception that reddit likes to throw around for a few reason. First, in those Euro nations they mean when they say it takes several years, they're including getting a degree in being a police officer in that, which is similar to many police officers getting a degree in criminal justice here in the US. The actual police training part of the 3 year program is roughly the same length of the training in the US, it's just lumped in with getting a degree to make it seem longer.
Second, many of those Euro nations are talking about a National Police of some kind, which are often actually part of their military. The US doesn't have a national police, though you could say the FBI is the closest we have, and it actually takes more than 3 years of combined training to get into that. The US has 18,000 separate and independent police departments who all have their own hiring standards, spread among 50 states that all have their own certification standards. So there is no "police in America", there are 18,000 departments with at least 50 sets of standards for how to get in. The vast majority of the state certification boards require at least an Associate's Degree (2 years) to even be eligible to apply to attend a police academy. You aren't even allowed to try to become a police officer unless you already have a degree. The academies themselves are more like 6-8 months, not 2. The state that's granting the certification puts out that to be a peace officer in that state you need 120 hours of criminal code training, 40 hours of firearms training, 50 hours of emergency vehicle driving, 16 hours of first responded medical training, and on and on. That's to graduate a police academy in that state at all. Actually getting hired by a department after you're certified can mane you have even stricter requirements, such as the state requiring a 2 years degree, but this particular department requires a 4 year degree. They might also have an addition 100 or so hours of specific city mandated training, especially if it's a big city with a lot of city laws that they wouldn't even teach in the academy for everyone else in the state. So if you want to be a cop in Michigan, you have to be certified to the Michigan standard, and then you can apply to any number of the hundreds of departments in Michigan only, and some of them might make you do more than what the state did to get in.
Then once you have your license to be a peace officer you got from the academy in hand (and it's only valid in your state), and you've been hired by a department, you enter the Field Training period. This is where you'll ride around with veteran training police officers for anywhere from 4-18 months, depending on the department, and you're basically on probation the entire time. You're there to learn and watch and do what you're told, the veteran training officer is like a 1 on 1 teacher. But you're technically already a licensed and sworn police officer. If Norway or some other Euro country includes this sort of on the job training in their "it takes 3 years" total, but excludes it from the US time frame, that's another reason why the numbers of so different.
So no, what you've probably heard or been told on reddit how it takes 3 years to become a cop in Norway or Sweden or wherever while some bumbling idiot with a GED can just show up and start being a cop 2 months later is total malarkey. There are over 18,000 separate departments in the US, and 50 states that all have different standards for who they will license to be a police officer. Is it possible there is some small police department of 11 people out in the middle of nowhere Georgia that doesn't require a degee, only has a 3 month academy, and their state doesn't require any college? It's possible. I haven't looked into the standards for all 50 states and I'm sure not going to track down the hiring standards for thousands of police departments. But it's not the norm if that case does exist.
The standard that by far the most common in the US is at least a 2 year college degree to be eligible at all, a 6-8 month police academy, and about a year of field training to finally be considered a fully trained cop. You will find the vast majority of departments have standards that look a lot like that.
Awesome comment. Thank you for dispelling common misconceptions (reddit bullshit) about US vs Euro police training. Thanks for taking the time to explain this.
In Norway it's 3 years of police school to become police, idk about other European nations. Source: I live here and I know a cop and someone studying to become one
I was a cop in the United States. It took me 4 and a half years of combined schooling and training to become one. Whoever told you it takes a few months lied to you.
This is why they need to have option to use chokes.
Tweet this at every single NBA player. Non fucking stop.
Kyle Dinkheller is the perfect example. He died begging for his life at the hands of a suspect who he allowed to go back to his vehicle.
I remember that from my time in a police academy. Dep. Dinkheller had recently undergone department wide training against excessive use of force. We'll never know what was going through his mind at the time, but I would be willing to bet having "don't use excessive force" drilled into him recently played a part in his death.
When he yells, "I'm in fear for my life" you know damn well that he's more worried about being put in jail than the threat that took his life a few seconds later.
That perp was on some serious drugs and put up a hellacious fight. This is a good lesson on why you should empty a magazine on someone threatening your life.
The big cop needed to go for the neck in that fight and it would have been over, I was saying neck neck neck the whole time.
The pos shooter would have won instantly and life would be good but nope, can't go for the neck so fights last and last and last.
You get the neck the fight is over.
Neck with what? Taser or headlock?
Knee.
Thatta boy
Choke hold.
Perp loses consciousness. Wakes up in cuffs. If done properly, it is the single best way to subdue another human being with minimal risk of serious injury.
why didnt they just shoot the gun out of his hand????
Everyone needs to see this! Spread it far and wide.
That's horrifying. Those men have families. How much longer will the media give the scum of society over hard working police officers.
Hard to watch.
BJJ training should be mandatory for police. There’s no reason two grown men couldn’t keep one man, albeit high as fuck on something, down.