Speaking as someone who lurks on a Discord populated with tankies, trannies and anarkiddies, there's no way they can do this, IMO. The Dems and media have worked these types (who traditionally view Democrats as just more evil capitalists to slay anyway) into an absolute frenzy: they were out of their fucking minds to begin with, but ever since Floyd's death they've gotten more violently crazy and revolutionary. Kyle Rittenhouse's glorious stand against Antifa has now driven them into a spiral of complete paranoid psychosis and the Dem leadership aren't going to be able to shut them down without a lot more unrest. Any effort by them to do so will just be shutting the stable door after the horse has already bolted, so to speak.
I agree with this but without the experience you have. Its like the radical Islamic groups. They were great for them when they were trying to take down Assad in Syria but once ISIS started getting some gains the genie could not be put back in the bottle.
They played with fire and they won't be able to put it back in the bottle.
spez: Libya too. They took out Gadaffi or Gaddafi whatever he was named and left a Mad Max lawless shithole that they can't get under control 8 years later.
I'm sure that there will be a fair amount of disagreement here with me on this, but the choice to not get involved in Syria until it was already too late was one of the dumbest fuckups of the obama administration. Unlike Libya - where we just killed any powerstructure whatsoever - in the early days of the Syrian Civil War you had a large contingent of defected Army Officers and politicians running actually organized secular resistance units. Many of whom would have been able to easily assert control over the Syrian Arab Army after a quick decisive victory.
Instead - Obama watched as red line after red line was crossed. As these resistance units ran out of money and bullets. And then who conveniently shows up? AQI. They offer men and bullets for loyalty. The alternative was death. It was an easy choice. So the Free Syrian Army loses trained fighters to AQI - which later becomes ISIS. And the guys going to them weren't fanatics. They were fighters who needed the tools they needed to fight. Thing is - you don't spend long around crazies without getting pretty crazy in the process. Everyone around you is saying the same things. It's what we see now in all our groups in the US. Reinforcing narratives. Doesn't matter if the ideas are true - just that they are repeated.
And that's how we ended up with ISIS. Because we got involved in a country when we shouldn't but not another when we should. We seem to be good at that. Never hit where we should, and always intervene when we shouldn't.
I agree. But even if the Dems reverse course, will they actually be able to call off the dogs?
I think the dogs are out of their control now, and the cake is baked regarding voter reaction. To mix metaphors. But I could be wrong.
Speaking as someone who lurks on a Discord populated with tankies, trannies and anarkiddies, there's no way they can do this, IMO. The Dems and media have worked these types (who traditionally view Democrats as just more evil capitalists to slay anyway) into an absolute frenzy: they were out of their fucking minds to begin with, but ever since Floyd's death they've gotten more violently crazy and revolutionary. Kyle Rittenhouse's glorious stand against Antifa has now driven them into a spiral of complete paranoid psychosis and the Dem leadership aren't going to be able to shut them down without a lot more unrest. Any effort by them to do so will just be shutting the stable door after the horse has already bolted, so to speak.
I agree with this but without the experience you have. Its like the radical Islamic groups. They were great for them when they were trying to take down Assad in Syria but once ISIS started getting some gains the genie could not be put back in the bottle.
They played with fire and they won't be able to put it back in the bottle.
spez: Libya too. They took out Gadaffi or Gaddafi whatever he was named and left a Mad Max lawless shithole that they can't get under control 8 years later.
I'm sure that there will be a fair amount of disagreement here with me on this, but the choice to not get involved in Syria until it was already too late was one of the dumbest fuckups of the obama administration. Unlike Libya - where we just killed any powerstructure whatsoever - in the early days of the Syrian Civil War you had a large contingent of defected Army Officers and politicians running actually organized secular resistance units. Many of whom would have been able to easily assert control over the Syrian Arab Army after a quick decisive victory.
Instead - Obama watched as red line after red line was crossed. As these resistance units ran out of money and bullets. And then who conveniently shows up? AQI. They offer men and bullets for loyalty. The alternative was death. It was an easy choice. So the Free Syrian Army loses trained fighters to AQI - which later becomes ISIS. And the guys going to them weren't fanatics. They were fighters who needed the tools they needed to fight. Thing is - you don't spend long around crazies without getting pretty crazy in the process. Everyone around you is saying the same things. It's what we see now in all our groups in the US. Reinforcing narratives. Doesn't matter if the ideas are true - just that they are repeated.
And that's how we ended up with ISIS. Because we got involved in a country when we shouldn't but not another when we should. We seem to be good at that. Never hit where we should, and always intervene when we shouldn't.