Everybody on this site needs to get one thing through their heads. The police do not give a fuck about you. If the people that sign their paychecks tell them to stand there and watch commies burn down their town, they will stand by and watch commies burn down their town. If they tell them to come kick your door in and arrest you for wrongthink, they will come kick your door in. When the DA tells them to go and arrest Kyle on first degree murder charges they will go and arrest him.
They do not give a shit about you. If 10% of the police in this country had balls as big as Kyle Rittenhouse then he wouldn’t be sitting in jail right now. They care about their paychecks and their pensions, that’s it.
Yea. I know a few cops who are fed up with other cops being turds and leadership just enabling it. They also don't like that, while they don't have formal quotas, if they aren't writing x number of tickets a week they have to write a essay about why they didn't write enough tickets. One guy was working overnight right when COVID started and it was absolutely DEAD, he still got in trouble for not writing enough tickets.
Fuck that. I thought for awhile being a cop must be exciting for all the action they supposedly get, but its not worth being treated like a fucking child for meeting your ticket quota.
I actually made a comment here, before George Floyd, that I was starting to sympathize with BLM. This was when there were all the stories about cops ticketing church goers sitting in their cars at services, arresting the salon owner, arresting the woman who brought her kids to the park. There were many other stories too.
Now I know what BLM really stands for, Marxism. Of course I reject that. Even before I thought they had a stupid strategy. Yes, there may be cases of true police brutality, but BLM picks the wrong people as martyrs.
I think we do need police to do the job of finding and arresting criminals and enter them into the justice system. I feel bad when they get killed on the job. But yeah, don't trust them.
That's a pretty harsh statement. The police are not the problem, it's the leadership and in leadership, I would also include the top level of law enforcement.
But what you're asking is that for the vast majority of regular cops to throw away their livelihood and ability to care for and protect their families. They will see no support from their leadership if they disobey orders. Even if they do, and even if they win in court years and years down the line, nobody will remember and all the while they've lost the resources needed to survive and perhaps even the opportunity to exercise their skills elsewhere.
But what you're asking is that for the vast majority of regular cops to throw away their livelihood and ability to care for and protect their families.
Thats a funny way of saying that I want them to uphold the oath that they took. Did they swear to carry out the orders of their superiors? Or did they take an oath to enforce the laws as passed? What about the livelihoods of the people whose businesses are being destroyed, looted, and burned? What about the families of the people that they swore to "protect and serve"?
They will see no support from their leadership if they disobey orders.
That defense didn't work for the Nazis and its not going to work here.
If the police in this country want to follow orders then they should be prepared for the consequences of following those orders. Never forget that all that it takes for evil men to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
If the police want to sit on their hands and watch their cities being burned to the ground then we don't need them. Its long past time for them to choose a side. Do they want to choose the side of the people who will gladly support them? Or do they want to choose the side of the people who would gladly put their heads on a spike?
Respect is earned, not given. Time for the police to start earning the respect back that they once had. if they are not willing to then we will handle it ourselves.
That is what many people said in the 1770s as well. I suggest you go read Patrick Henry's address to the VA House of Burgesses, aka his "give me liberty or give me death" speech.
I don't find what's funny about honest American's being able to provide for their families.
I don't find anything funny about it either. If your ability to provide for your family is dependent on me not being able to provide for my family then I couldn't care less. The police swore an oath. They are not fulfilling that oath, that makes them completely useless and a burden on society.
They had no problem using the full weight of their ability to use force to arrest people playing catch with their kids in a park. They had no problem arresting people who were just trying to keep their businesses open. They have no problem kicking peoples' doors in and shooting them for having a tiny bit of marijuana. Yet when violent rioters are burning their entire city down they can't figure out what to do?
Cops are not the enemy.
They are when they choose the side of the enemy.
The problem lies with the elected officials in those communities that refuse to act to stop the violence.
So again, I ask you, did the police swear an oath to do the bidding of the elected officials? Or did they swear an oath to uphold and enforce the laws as passed? Their refusal to uphold law and order is a violation of their oath. If that is their choice then so be it, but good men and women are not going to sit back and do nothing as their lives are destroyed just because the police are unwilling to do their job.
If the police are unwilling to do the job that we are paying them to do, then we shouldn't pay them anymore. Period.
The government at all levels no longer serves to benefit it's constituents. They exist to line their coffers, and flex their power with impunity. Government finds special joy in contemptuously lecturing those who think to prove a point in questioning that power.
Trump is an aberration in government. There is a very small group of people in authority who have American's liberty and opportunity in mind. Of most in government, if a policy doesn't line their pocketbook it exists only to be flaunted for the purpose of getting votes.
Everybody on this site needs to get one thing through their heads. The police do not give a fuck about you. If the people that sign their paychecks tell them to stand there and watch commies burn down their town, they will stand by and watch commies burn down their town. If they tell them to come kick your door in and arrest you for wrongthink, they will come kick your door in. When the DA tells them to go and arrest Kyle on first degree murder charges they will go and arrest him.
They do not give a shit about you. If 10% of the police in this country had balls as big as Kyle Rittenhouse then he wouldn’t be sitting in jail right now. They care about their paychecks and their pensions, that’s it.
Yea. I know a few cops who are fed up with other cops being turds and leadership just enabling it. They also don't like that, while they don't have formal quotas, if they aren't writing x number of tickets a week they have to write a essay about why they didn't write enough tickets. One guy was working overnight right when COVID started and it was absolutely DEAD, he still got in trouble for not writing enough tickets.
Fuck that. I thought for awhile being a cop must be exciting for all the action they supposedly get, but its not worth being treated like a fucking child for meeting your ticket quota.
I actually made a comment here, before George Floyd, that I was starting to sympathize with BLM. This was when there were all the stories about cops ticketing church goers sitting in their cars at services, arresting the salon owner, arresting the woman who brought her kids to the park. There were many other stories too.
Now I know what BLM really stands for, Marxism. Of course I reject that. Even before I thought they had a stupid strategy. Yes, there may be cases of true police brutality, but BLM picks the wrong people as martyrs.
I think we do need police to do the job of finding and arresting criminals and enter them into the justice system. I feel bad when they get killed on the job. But yeah, don't trust them.
That's a pretty harsh statement. The police are not the problem, it's the leadership and in leadership, I would also include the top level of law enforcement.
But what you're asking is that for the vast majority of regular cops to throw away their livelihood and ability to care for and protect their families. They will see no support from their leadership if they disobey orders. Even if they do, and even if they win in court years and years down the line, nobody will remember and all the while they've lost the resources needed to survive and perhaps even the opportunity to exercise their skills elsewhere.
You shouldn't be taking such a narrow view.
Thats a funny way of saying that I want them to uphold the oath that they took. Did they swear to carry out the orders of their superiors? Or did they take an oath to enforce the laws as passed? What about the livelihoods of the people whose businesses are being destroyed, looted, and burned? What about the families of the people that they swore to "protect and serve"?
That defense didn't work for the Nazis and its not going to work here.
If the police in this country want to follow orders then they should be prepared for the consequences of following those orders. Never forget that all that it takes for evil men to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
If the police want to sit on their hands and watch their cities being burned to the ground then we don't need them. Its long past time for them to choose a side. Do they want to choose the side of the people who will gladly support them? Or do they want to choose the side of the people who would gladly put their heads on a spike?
Respect is earned, not given. Time for the police to start earning the respect back that they once had. if they are not willing to then we will handle it ourselves.
Civil war isn't the answer.
I don't find what's funny about honest American's being able to provide for their families.
Cops are not the enemy.
The problem lies with the elected officials in those communities that refuse to act to stop the violence.
Again, your view is too narrow.
That is what many people said in the 1770s as well. I suggest you go read Patrick Henry's address to the VA House of Burgesses, aka his "give me liberty or give me death" speech.
I don't find anything funny about it either. If your ability to provide for your family is dependent on me not being able to provide for my family then I couldn't care less. The police swore an oath. They are not fulfilling that oath, that makes them completely useless and a burden on society.
They had no problem using the full weight of their ability to use force to arrest people playing catch with their kids in a park. They had no problem arresting people who were just trying to keep their businesses open. They have no problem kicking peoples' doors in and shooting them for having a tiny bit of marijuana. Yet when violent rioters are burning their entire city down they can't figure out what to do?
They are when they choose the side of the enemy.
So again, I ask you, did the police swear an oath to do the bidding of the elected officials? Or did they swear an oath to uphold and enforce the laws as passed? Their refusal to uphold law and order is a violation of their oath. If that is their choice then so be it, but good men and women are not going to sit back and do nothing as their lives are destroyed just because the police are unwilling to do their job.
If the police are unwilling to do the job that we are paying them to do, then we shouldn't pay them anymore. Period.
The government at all levels no longer serves to benefit it's constituents. They exist to line their coffers, and flex their power with impunity. Government finds special joy in contemptuously lecturing those who think to prove a point in questioning that power.
Trump is an aberration in government. There is a very small group of people in authority who have American's liberty and opportunity in mind. Of most in government, if a policy doesn't line their pocketbook it exists only to be flaunted for the purpose of getting votes.
Completely true.