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Bass pro shops has had it in stock recently. Saw it on there as available a few hours ago in fact. Their online inventory system is shitty, but id say there's a 50/50 chance you can get it at pre ammo shortage prices if you have a store you can ship it to near you (bass pro shops or cabellas - not sure if they ship ammo to an address).
Also, ammo is out there. Just expensive. You can always use a site like ammoseek.com to find it.
Right on, I check ammoseek every couple morning or so to see if anything pops up at a decent price. Strange enough, my local rural king has been having it in stock, along with 9mm at pretty cheap prices. Things seem to be slowly coming back, at least around me. Illinois
Back during the sandy something scare, I was shooting .308. Lowest I ever saw it after that was $1.00 per round. .72 would have been a dream come true because before that, surplus 7.62 was .40? .55? for the high end stuff? Hasn't come down since.
I agree but if you want to get technical, .30-06, .270 and .243 are 'common' too as they're the most used hunting rifle rounds in the nation (maybe not .243 any more). So I guess my point is 'uncommon' is relative.
I had half the mind to get a new gun in a weird chambering just because of what was in stock. Uncommon calibers are the last out of stock, but also the last to come back in stock.
When the election infection first took off I was ammo shopping at Cabela’s. The only thing left on the shelves was shotgun shells in all flavors and 300 winmag. Makes me think I need a nice bolt gun in 300 winmag
And over the counter cans, no nfa tax bullshit! It's scary when the ppl we elect to make these decisions only frame of reference is Hollywood movies and not safety or reality.
They should stick to what they know best scheming, cheating, boozing and sexual assaulting their staff.
Don’t mean to go back and forth with ya but who the hell pays that much for a rig?! I’m able to build out in Cali for less than 750 bucks no lie. AR chambered in 556.
The problem with 762x39 is that the case is larger. You have to remove a lot of material from the bolt to make it fit x39. It weakens the lugs. In the early days of x39 ar's, the bolt lugs were prone to breaking. That's been corrected for the most part. But if you do build one, buy and extra bolt.
a well built ar15 in 762x39 fixes that. The mutant had feeding problems early on. I am sure they have been fixed. I know the mutant well. its really not a good comparison to ar15 platform x39's. Why? ar15 x39's have the same capacity and perform balistically identical to the mutant. and they do it in a smaller package. But credit where it is die, the groundwork that CMMG laid out in the past has allowed the x39 to flourish in the smaller platform.
My AR-155 drops steel rain on evildoers from thousands of meters away. i just hook it up to the truck and drive away before anyone knows what happened.
What's your experience with it? I've been seriously trying to locate that very combo. Palmetto's KS-47 G2 sounds great, but sold out. I've heard that some have issues with shell ejection.
You just can't beat the price of 7.62x39 ammo. .300 Blackout is stupid expensive at this stage in the game.
I have a KS47. Constant failure to eject and double feed when using old AK mags. Got a set of newer style mags but haven't had a chance to try them out. Hopefully that fixes otherwise I'm going to be pretty disappointed
Look at a flat-wire buffer spring. Just a few bucks. Several me-toos available these days, original guy David Tubb still equal or best at it.
Higher battery pressure, softer decel, impossible to collision, less bounce, softer (but stronger) return, and again to higher battery pressure. Quieter, too.
It might not fix a terrible magazine, but it can fix a whole raft of issues that people don't realize their rig has.. definitely eject and feed issues among them. (slower cycling because no bolt-bounce, lower bolt speed so more time for magazine to do its thing, seat pressure nearly twice as high despite mid-compression being equal. It's like a magic trick.)
Also, you might enjoy (ammo well clear of process) cleaning bad mags with non-chlorine brake cleaner spray, let really dry, then spray inside with dry-lube teflon spray. Let really dry, or hairdryer force dry. Compress, or load/unload, a few times and see if that's not smoothed out.
Flat-wire springs exist for magazines, too. Same features .. crazy higher open pressure makes last few rounds more reliable, equal mid-compression keeps mid in-spec, impossible to collision, so the final few rounds go in mag easier and don't fatigue the spring.
Nothing but love. The 30 rounds mags are more expensive than .223/5.56 as fewer companies make them, but other than that it's fantastic.
Last I checked the cheap Tul HP 7.62 were still under $0.30/round vs almost $0.90 for .300 BLK. After November they'll probably be back around $0.20/round.
spez: I'm pretty sure this one is Davidson Defense but I don't remember which version. It has a keymod handguard but I think this particular one is out of stock or discontinued because it's not on their site right now. Looks like current stock is mostly all m-lok. Outside of the handguards I think they're all built the same though.
Dont the the g2 get the g3 they fixed a lot of issues. The new zpap is great.too. akou on yt is a great ak review channel. Rob is awesome. Hes from Sovie era poland moved here joined our military. Super patriot and pro 2a.
Don't these calibres have problems with the curved mags?
I would say this platform loses the reliability of the AK, and the muzzle velocity of the 223/556.
It likely gains in stopping power/(loses reach), but the biggest plus is the most plentiful, ridiculously cheap ammo ever.
I've only ever used these. No need for me to try any others. Maybe some other brands have issues but idk?
For anyone who is interested in the .300 BLK, the 7.62x39 is extremely similar in many ways but with the added benefit of cheap ammo. Not to bash the .300 BLK, I almost bought it instead, but the $0.29 per round ammo even now with months long shortages and $0.31 hollow points... Hard to argue that there is a single bigger difference between the 2 rounds.
spez: plus I can hunt deer in states that don't allow .223/5.56
I have one of those cheapo SKS AK's with the wooden stock+thumbhole.
That thing is loud and it's no soft touch in the kick department.
It's never going to jam, but it's never going to reach out and touch someone either.
Kyle would have been fine with the AK, and half-arm guy wouldn't have liked it too much either. (Did Kyle really clear a Stovepipe Failure-To-Eject in his close encounter? It looked like he cleared something.)
I think the big problem would have been on the "shoot me nigga" guy, since that recoil makes follow-up targeting a lot harder, whereas the AR's platform allows extremely fast and accurate follow-on shots with minimal recoil.
Indeed, the AK does have rep for being a reliable, low-maintenance weapon.
But when I had to go work with the Russian Army for a while (thanks, Clinton) in the Balkans long ago, after we did some weapons familiarity work on the range every damn Russian soldier there wanted to trade a crate of AKs for my single M4.
I'm an average shooter even though I qualified "Expert" (ha!) every six months we did small arms quals and I fucking owned them on their own fucking range via 5.56 coming out of a beat-to-shit, rattle-trap M4 with a bolt soaked in CLP.
(which is why I changed the BCG out in my personal AR for a nickel-boron coated one a few weeks after I purchased the rifle)
They were all average shooters just like me - sorry, no spetsnaz there, folks.
That being said, if one puts in the hard work not only on highly-maintaining the AK but in its use then it time it can catch up to the AR platform.
But the AK will never surpass the AR platform in accuracy, effectiveness, and versatility.
The AK is a cheap-ass beater meme rifle created for a dirt-poor USSR military and now used by 3rd world poors to slaughter each other.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Think about it - if the AK was truly worth a damn then 1st world countries would be fielding the design to their military service members as their main service rifle.
But they don't because several, superior options exist and the AR platform is one of them.
Matter of fact, pretty much any good improvements done to the AK platform over the last decade or some has come out of the U.S. itself.
U.S. manufacturers are starting to make milled AKs, safety selectors, better triggers, etc. We're pretty much the only ones left actually trying to improve a Russian rifle platform, a sign that we do respect it and there's a U.S. market for such goods.
Sorry AK fans, but the truth hurts. The AK is good but it's not AR good.
Thing is about the AK is that there are so many lying around in shithole countries they can get parts easily, get 3 broken ones to make 2 functionning ones and even repair them with duct tape and chickenwire ...
It's the world's most popular assault rifle, a weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple nine pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood, it doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It will shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy even a child can use it, and they do.
It's so easy even a child can use it, and they do.
Yup, and too much. I'm all for teaching kids how to handle guns, but a bunch of ten-year-olds with zero self awareness, maturity or moral conscience rading your village if not the coolest thing.
No longer true in USA, the days of the cheap AK parts kit are gone and with the barrel import ban, usually much machining work to make the trunion fit correct.
The other urban legend is cost. You can thank the fall of the soviet union for subsidizing them, and they aren't cheap anymore. The advantage of the AK is care and maintenance.
That's actually a semi-myth. AK's are resistant to neglect, AR's are better with abuse. AKs do better with neglect, ie letting them rust and foul, not cleaning them, leaving them in a shed for months or years, etc because the loose tolerances between the moving parts can still clear each other when fired. But those loose tolerances also make it much easier for dirt, sand, mud, and other debris to get inside and cause jams. A thin layer of rust on the parts won't stop it, but sand and mud very likely will. An AR on the other hand has very tight tolerances which makes it more reliant on strict cleaning and maintenance. A thin layer or rust or corrosion on AR parts can cause a jam since they're so close together. But that close tolerance also helps prevent sand and mud from being able to get inside the parts in the first place. The AR is more resilient when it comes to mud and dirt and the like.
As I mentioned elsewhere, the AK-47 (lets use AKM from now on) is a conscript's weapon. Designed to be lugged around by some poor sap that doesn't want to be there and doesn't care about his equipment, and then rotated out to another person that feels more or less the same way.
The AR platform on the other hand is a weapon that works for voluntary users that understand both the strengths and the weaknesses of the weapon, and do all they can to make the weapon as effective as possible.
Admittedly the ones I had were usually beaten up pieces of shit and still did ok when they were clean, but once they got filthy it was a jamomatic. My worry would be having one and not having access to cleaning supplies every day. I think piston driven ARs solve this problem but at the expense of weight.
Lube, lube and more lube, where the bolt carrier rides. Think of an engine where the oil washes away metal fragments and coking to be filtered in the sump/oil filter.
T. Rex Arms has a great explanation. Tight tolerances, means lube a lot in the right places.
When he tripped they tried to swarm him even with skateboards. Real life isn't larp. Tides are changing.
I saw a reddit post trying to ridicule r/conservative and every "ridiculous" point they made was completely logical...so most people were like "I won't even bother clicking after all I've seen.
Thanks for admitting your experience with those systems. When you look at it they are elegant, but when you don't know they exist, it is like taking apart a swiss watch without a diagram. Springs and pins flying everywhere!
"Private what did you do! What did you do! You will be finding every single piece even if you stay here all night!!!"
Sorry to pour salt in a fresh wound. The AR is a high fashion model that will slap you up side the head if you cross her rules/design. Once you know her, she cannot hurt you anymore. She moans for you... for you know all her little secrets.
The AK is more of the town pump, gets the job done and harmless as long as you wear protection and don't care that anyone can use her.
heh, I did this.
I was swapping out the stock spring for a J&H quiet spring on my only AR. I wasn't prepared, and somehow, even after the guy in the YouTube video cautioned, it still surprised me.
Thankfully, I was able to find it in the carpeting.
It is one of those "Ah-ha!" moments, we all have when diving into building in a new engineering/art space.
We created a two piece mold for a surface piercing off shore racing prop. The guy that commissioned it, could not wrap his head around how it could be done.
"You unscrew it out of the mold, like how it moves through the water column on the boat."
It was also one of those moments where you watched a lot of videos about how to assemble something and they are all like "Now this is the hard part so I use this trick to make it easier"
Machinist here, AR is vastly superior in its designand manufacturing as well. Such a well thought out platform. Very simple, all the hard work is done in the machine shop so you can rely on it in the field.
AR is mind-boggling in how revolutionary its design is in almost every aspect. Even just the takedown style, or the monolithic upper/lower that doesn't require welding or pinning anything.
The only real two downsides to the AR is that DI gas system which is somewhat less than ideal, and that unless you're a super-cool-guy like me who has a ZM LR-300, folding stock options are kind of not-good.
Agree, however the cost is negligible at this point. I can't find 7.62 in stock anywhere that's not double what it should be.. because of this in my area 300blk is actually cheaper and in stock.
I don't like backordering ammo either.. oxymoron to me.. an IOU doesn't protect my family.
Not saying I agree with commieism but objectively they had some fantastic stuff, all built under the penalty of death. I actually liked their process. Engineers in an office would design it. Engineers on the factory floor would throw those plans away and re-design it for the real world.
The T-72 was an amazing tank when it showed up on the scene. It got outmatched not long after but it was a great machine.
Mig-25 still holds the unclassified record for highest altitude. Of course, it was designed to chase down the SR-71 so it better be able to fly high.
A 1950's generation surface to air missile (S-100) operated by a drunk slav shot down our "stealth fighter" over Kosovo.
The RPG-7, designed in 1947, is still wrecking the most modern armor we can throw at it. It's still such a big hitter that the only defense is wrapping million dollar vehicles and its million dollar armor with chain-link fence to pre-detonate the warhead.
Their rocket engine is the standard used today. The Soviets had designed an engine in the 1970's that was decades ahead of what we were doing in the 1990's when communism fell. https://youtu.be/TMbl_ofF3AM?t=1950
I sincerely do admire the pragmatism of the Soviet/Russians. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer.
...edit... I guess I am kind of a fanboy looking at the size of that reply. kek
Well yeah. They used to be $100 new. At least they were when I got my first one a long, long time ago. Cheap simple fun. The AR is my choice for social work.
Brandon grabbed his go bag as soon as Matt and Kentucky realized he was behind their feud. Love the drama guys, nice way to distract us from the riots!
Guys, come on, this is DISGUSTING. An innocent was taken from us in the AK case.
THAT AK DID NOTHING WRONG!!!
It's not the AK's fault that the cuck that bought it was a Socialist idiot. And now, the poor, suffering AK is stuck in an evidence locker, never to shoot freely again.
Let's not all make fun of this poor AK, it did nothing wrong.
Lol Garrett's entire claim to fame was being comedy fodder for like 3 - 4 days .... what a waste of life . So is his mom going to take over diaper changing duties of that jogger potato he was "dating"
Jihadis use the "In sh'allah" marksmanship method. Close eyes, trend barrel toward target, pull trigger as hard as you can to make the bullet go faster, you will hit if Allah wills it.
It's situational. If I want to be able to walk amongst the communist filth and infiltrate, I will have my AK. If I want to stand amongst my brothers and hold the line, AR.
I suppose so, the AR platform has liberated many from tyranny. Though, I like to think that it'd be fun to be like the Afghan Mujaheddin, and use the AKM against the communists lol.
Yeah but if you ever manage to lock it wrong it’s a pain in the ass to get it out. It’s not a dealbreaker and it is easy to overcome with use but it’s still a pain. That could just be me and other people may have a better experience or never even experienced that at all. I like the rifle though. I’d never discourage anyone from getting one because of that.
If you do that, remember to hit on the back of the magazine (towards the direction of the muzzle) easiest way to get it loose again if that happens.
If you use an AR just remember fully loaded magazines sometimes have a problem seating. So make sure you give it a good slap on the bottom and maybe consider loading only 29 rounds in your mags. They'll seat much more reliably.
The ridiculousness of the phrase "post society world" aside, guns in general would be rendered mostly worthless fairly early on with any kind of decent use.
I always liked AK's better, I guess just because of the iconic design, bigger round, and just old school reliability. Ammo has been dirt cheap for a long time too. But I finally broke down and got my first AR today.
I really do like the light weight, low recoil, and ergonomics of the AR. Is also nice because it's so easy to mod to one's liking. The only thing that sucks is once you start it's just a rabbit hole. I'm already wanting to replace the stock optics. Also want a new hand guard, the stock one kind of sucks.
I'm a huge fan of the stock handguards from an ergonomics perspective, but I'm also too poor to afford a laser, etc. that would go on the mlok handguards that are all the rage these days. Just commit to spending more on ammo than you spend on mods so you're forced to train with it.
I’ve had plenty of stoppages on my AK. Probably more so than any of my ARs. Granted, I keep my ARs immaculate. Any semiautomatic rifle will jam eventually. What’s key is knowing how to perform immediate action to clear a stoppage on whatever rifle you’re shooting. Slap pull observe release tap shoot
That commie fuck had ZERO skill and business holding a Hi-point let alone a WASR... he was a keyboard pussy that fucked around and found out! That being said.. the AR is more accurate at distance but more prone to jams and breakdowns. The AK platform is versatile but less accurate at distance... I love and own both platforms.
This was a proper experiment because they controlled for the variables. See, they both had light hats, green shirts, and dark pants. So clearly the only difference was the two models of rifle.
Well, that and the small difference that the AR was held by a true patriotic citizen and the AK was held by a LARPing terrorist. Minor detail.
Still trying to wrap my head around this shit. 17 year old kid thinking quick, surrounded by chaos, able to defend his life. Most people wouldn't have had the gumption to make it through that.
The AK guy confronted an innocent driver, in Austin, who was surrounded by Antifa thugs who were screaming at him and blocking his route, and pointed his AK right at him, so the driver protected himself with his legal CCW and shot him, then sped away and called the police.
The whole AK's are more reliable thing is a myth by the way. AK's are resistant to neglect, AR's are better with abuse. AKs do better with neglect, ie letting them rust and foul, not cleaning them, leaving them in a shed for months or years, etc because the loose tolerances between the moving parts can still clear each other when fired. But those loose tolerances also make it much easier for dirt, sand, mud, and other debris to get inside and cause jams. A thin layer of rust on the parts won't stop it, but sand and mud very likely will. An AR on the other hand has very tight tolerances which makes it more reliant on strict cleaning and maintenance. A thin layer or rust or corrosion on AR parts can cause a jam since they're so close together. But that close tolerance also helps prevent sand and mud from being able to get inside the parts in the first place. The AR is more resilient when it comes to mud and dirt and the like.
AKs and ARs have their place. If you are, for whatever right minded patriotic reason, stashing a rifle someplace that you don't intend on pulling out for years, an AK is a way to go. Pull it out of the ground, out of the shed, out of the trunk, whatever, 3 or 4 years after you put it in there with zero maintenance, the AK will probably shoot. If it looks a little rusty and tarnished, that's fine. It'll probably still shoot. But if you're getting a fighting rifle you plan on carrying on you and keeping with you and you know you'll have 5 minutes to wipe it down a few times a week, an AR is the way to go.
Both great, just gotta train, different battery of arms but both have killed lots of people. No matter what you have practice with it. Practice clearing malfunctions also. All guns can and will jamb eventually.
I heart them both, but the AK does have a reputation.
Where does my AR-15 + 7.62x39 upper combo fall on your heart-o-meter?
The redheaded stepchild of the gun world. :P
300BLK IS WHAT WE ALL NEED XD
Was my first rifle buy, ammo is a bitch. Got 250 rounds at 72cpr a couple months ago, hard finding anywhere close to that now though
Bass pro shops has had it in stock recently. Saw it on there as available a few hours ago in fact. Their online inventory system is shitty, but id say there's a 50/50 chance you can get it at pre ammo shortage prices if you have a store you can ship it to near you (bass pro shops or cabellas - not sure if they ship ammo to an address).
Also, ammo is out there. Just expensive. You can always use a site like ammoseek.com to find it.
Shhhh, and now it's gone lol
Right on, I check ammoseek every couple morning or so to see if anything pops up at a decent price. Strange enough, my local rural king has been having it in stock, along with 9mm at pretty cheap prices. Things seem to be slowly coming back, at least around me. Illinois
Back during the sandy something scare, I was shooting .308. Lowest I ever saw it after that was $1.00 per round. .72 would have been a dream come true because before that, surplus 7.62 was .40? .55? for the high end stuff? Hasn't come down since.
I agree but if you want to get technical, .30-06, .270 and .243 are 'common' too as they're the most used hunting rifle rounds in the nation (maybe not .243 any more). So I guess my point is 'uncommon' is relative.
Maybe you
I had half the mind to get a new gun in a weird chambering just because of what was in stock. Uncommon calibers are the last out of stock, but also the last to come back in stock.
I noticed this as well. All the common rounds were out of stock
When the election infection first took off I was ammo shopping at Cabela’s. The only thing left on the shelves was shotgun shells in all flavors and 300 winmag. Makes me think I need a nice bolt gun in 300 winmag
And over the counter cans, no nfa tax bullshit! It's scary when the ppl we elect to make these decisions only frame of reference is Hollywood movies and not safety or reality. They should stick to what they know best scheming, cheating, boozing and sexual assaulting their staff.
We almost had them here in Wisconsin until we got fucking numnutz got in office
.458 SOCOM is great for dismantling the patriarchy. Our founding fathers were rAcIsT, so you can burn two Washington’s per round
So expensive tho.
Compared to a 400 dollar ar15 now $999 I'll take a bump of 10% on an "exotic" round AR
Don’t mean to go back and forth with ya but who the hell pays that much for a rig?! I’m able to build out in Cali for less than 750 bucks no lie. AR chambered in 556.
I don't mind redheads.
I compared .300 BLK to 7.623x39 and I liked the FMJ range ammo prices better on the soviet. Hell HP aren't much more. A few cents per round.
The problem with 762x39 is that the case is larger. You have to remove a lot of material from the bolt to make it fit x39. It weakens the lugs. In the early days of x39 ar's, the bolt lugs were prone to breaking. That's been corrected for the most part. But if you do build one, buy and extra bolt.
I have a x39 and it's a fuuuuuun gun to get out.
The CMMG MK47 fixes that :)
Basically an AR10 sort of AK mutant.
a well built ar15 in 762x39 fixes that. The mutant had feeding problems early on. I am sure they have been fixed. I know the mutant well. its really not a good comparison to ar15 platform x39's. Why? ar15 x39's have the same capacity and perform balistically identical to the mutant. and they do it in a smaller package. But credit where it is die, the groundwork that CMMG laid out in the past has allowed the x39 to flourish in the smaller platform.
good luck finding 300 blk for less than 7.62x39 today. i can get my "filthy" soviet round for 1/2 as much as 9mm today.
Where?
gun-deals.com
My AR-155 drops steel rain on evildoers from thousands of meters away. i just hook it up to the truck and drive away before anyone knows what happened.
What's your experience with it? I've been seriously trying to locate that very combo. Palmetto's KS-47 G2 sounds great, but sold out. I've heard that some have issues with shell ejection.
You just can't beat the price of 7.62x39 ammo. .300 Blackout is stupid expensive at this stage in the game.
I have a KS47. Constant failure to eject and double feed when using old AK mags. Got a set of newer style mags but haven't had a chance to try them out. Hopefully that fixes otherwise I'm going to be pretty disappointed
Yeah, that's not a situation I want to face when they're coming at me like I'm Kyle. I hope the new mags resolve it for you.
No kidding. That's why I keep around ol' trusty rusty.
This won't make sense at first ..
Look at a flat-wire buffer spring. Just a few bucks. Several me-toos available these days, original guy David Tubb still equal or best at it.
Higher battery pressure, softer decel, impossible to collision, less bounce, softer (but stronger) return, and again to higher battery pressure. Quieter, too.
It might not fix a terrible magazine, but it can fix a whole raft of issues that people don't realize their rig has.. definitely eject and feed issues among them. (slower cycling because no bolt-bounce, lower bolt speed so more time for magazine to do its thing, seat pressure nearly twice as high despite mid-compression being equal. It's like a magic trick.)
Also, you might enjoy (ammo well clear of process) cleaning bad mags with non-chlorine brake cleaner spray, let really dry, then spray inside with dry-lube teflon spray. Let really dry, or hairdryer force dry. Compress, or load/unload, a few times and see if that's not smoothed out.
Flat-wire springs exist for magazines, too. Same features .. crazy higher open pressure makes last few rounds more reliable, equal mid-compression keeps mid in-spec, impossible to collision, so the final few rounds go in mag easier and don't fatigue the spring.
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Nothing but love. The 30 rounds mags are more expensive than .223/5.56 as fewer companies make them, but other than that it's fantastic.
Last I checked the cheap Tul HP 7.62 were still under $0.30/round vs almost $0.90 for .300 BLK. After November they'll probably be back around $0.20/round.
Did you build or buy? Any recommendations on vendors?
Let me go look
spez: I'm pretty sure this one is Davidson Defense but I don't remember which version. It has a keymod handguard but I think this particular one is out of stock or discontinued because it's not on their site right now. Looks like current stock is mostly all m-lok. Outside of the handguards I think they're all built the same though.
Dont the the g2 get the g3 they fixed a lot of issues. The new zpap is great.too. akou on yt is a great ak review channel. Rob is awesome. Hes from Sovie era poland moved here joined our military. Super patriot and pro 2a.
I have one too, with a gas Piston block from black rifle arms Operates like butter and throws some heavy lead
Don't these calibres have problems with the curved mags? I would say this platform loses the reliability of the AK, and the muzzle velocity of the 223/556. It likely gains in stopping power/(loses reach), but the biggest plus is the most plentiful, ridiculously cheap ammo ever.
I've only ever used these. No need for me to try any others. Maybe some other brands have issues but idk?
For anyone who is interested in the .300 BLK, the 7.62x39 is extremely similar in many ways but with the added benefit of cheap ammo. Not to bash the .300 BLK, I almost bought it instead, but the $0.29 per round ammo even now with months long shortages and $0.31 hollow points... Hard to argue that there is a single bigger difference between the 2 rounds.
spez: plus I can hunt deer in states that don't allow .223/5.56
If you fancy yourself a gun enthusiast you should have a few of each.
I have fired both. Close up, AK is nasty. For precision firing, I prefer the AR platform.
AK is just fun as hell to shoot.
I have one of those cheapo SKS AK's with the wooden stock+thumbhole. That thing is loud and it's no soft touch in the kick department. It's never going to jam, but it's never going to reach out and touch someone either.
Kyle would have been fine with the AK, and half-arm guy wouldn't have liked it too much either. (Did Kyle really clear a Stovepipe Failure-To-Eject in his close encounter? It looked like he cleared something.)
I think the big problem would have been on the "shoot me nigga" guy, since that recoil makes follow-up targeting a lot harder, whereas the AR's platform allows extremely fast and accurate follow-on shots with minimal recoil.
Indeed, the AK does have rep for being a reliable, low-maintenance weapon.
But when I had to go work with the Russian Army for a while (thanks, Clinton) in the Balkans long ago, after we did some weapons familiarity work on the range every damn Russian soldier there wanted to trade a crate of AKs for my single M4.
I'm an average shooter even though I qualified "Expert" (ha!) every six months we did small arms quals and I fucking owned them on their own fucking range via 5.56 coming out of a beat-to-shit, rattle-trap M4 with a bolt soaked in CLP.
(which is why I changed the BCG out in my personal AR for a nickel-boron coated one a few weeks after I purchased the rifle)
They were all average shooters just like me - sorry, no spetsnaz there, folks.
That being said, if one puts in the hard work not only on highly-maintaining the AK but in its use then it time it can catch up to the AR platform.
But the AK will never surpass the AR platform in accuracy, effectiveness, and versatility.
The AK is a cheap-ass beater meme rifle created for a dirt-poor USSR military and now used by 3rd world poors to slaughter each other.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Think about it - if the AK was truly worth a damn then 1st world countries would be fielding the design to their military service members as their main service rifle.
But they don't because several, superior options exist and the AR platform is one of them.
Matter of fact, pretty much any good improvements done to the AK platform over the last decade or some has come out of the U.S. itself.
U.S. manufacturers are starting to make milled AKs, safety selectors, better triggers, etc. We're pretty much the only ones left actually trying to improve a Russian rifle platform, a sign that we do respect it and there's a U.S. market for such goods.
Sorry AK fans, but the truth hurts. The AK is good but it's not AR good.
AK47 is a conscripts rifle. Made to be cheap and easy to replace. Also able to be made on substandard machine equipment by average workers.
This is such an urban legend. Not true at all..
Go look up videos of people dumping AR 15 vs AKs in mud and shooting. ARs don't jam nearly as frequent as AKs in less than optimal conditions.
Thing is about the AK is that there are so many lying around in shithole countries they can get parts easily, get 3 broken ones to make 2 functionning ones and even repair them with duct tape and chickenwire ...
It's the world's most popular assault rifle, a weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple nine pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood, it doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It will shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy even a child can use it, and they do.
One of the most underrated films ever.
Yup, and too much. I'm all for teaching kids how to handle guns, but a bunch of ten-year-olds with zero self awareness, maturity or moral conscience rading your village if not the coolest thing.
And cheap and available ammo, even during ammo shortages.
Nato round, any old Russian ammo and the Chinese make them by the tons now. I'm surprised I don't have them at the Dollar Tree
No longer true in USA, the days of the cheap AK parts kit are gone and with the barrel import ban, usually much machining work to make the trunion fit correct.
Maybe, maybe not. I feel the AK is deceptive in its simplicity. The parts that need to function must be very well made for it to function reliably.
ARs are easier to manufacture in many ways. Aks were only cheap for a while because the Soviet Union subsidized the cost of factories and materials.
I specifically brought up Africa because kids scour War zones and pick up dozens of them at a time
The other urban legend is cost. You can thank the fall of the soviet union for subsidizing them, and they aren't cheap anymore. The advantage of the AK is care and maintenance.
Mud is too easy
Try these
https://youtu.be/pl59uwJiJhM
Uh, no
That's actually a semi-myth. AK's are resistant to neglect, AR's are better with abuse. AKs do better with neglect, ie letting them rust and foul, not cleaning them, leaving them in a shed for months or years, etc because the loose tolerances between the moving parts can still clear each other when fired. But those loose tolerances also make it much easier for dirt, sand, mud, and other debris to get inside and cause jams. A thin layer of rust on the parts won't stop it, but sand and mud very likely will. An AR on the other hand has very tight tolerances which makes it more reliant on strict cleaning and maintenance. A thin layer or rust or corrosion on AR parts can cause a jam since they're so close together. But that close tolerance also helps prevent sand and mud from being able to get inside the parts in the first place. The AR is more resilient when it comes to mud and dirt and the like.
As I mentioned elsewhere, the AK-47 (lets use AKM from now on) is a conscript's weapon. Designed to be lugged around by some poor sap that doesn't want to be there and doesn't care about his equipment, and then rotated out to another person that feels more or less the same way.
The AR platform on the other hand is a weapon that works for voluntary users that understand both the strengths and the weaknesses of the weapon, and do all they can to make the weapon as effective as possible.
cleaning my AK is like masturbating:
I dont have to do it as frequently as I do. I do it often because I like it.
Buy a brass deflector for your AR. They're like 10-15 dollars and you'll never smokestack again.
Stove pipe. Stove. Pipe. Man you glowies are getting lazy/chinese.
"A stovepipe or smokestack typically occurs in pump action, semi-automatic, and fully automatic firearms that fire from a closed bolt"
huh. its like there are multiple terms for this.
How gay does someone have to be to downvote a reasonable comment like yours? 😂
I assume it was just loony lefties triggered by, regardless of context, the mere thought of the concept of 2 terms.
Er, buy a what? Normally a brass deflector is part of the upper forging. Can you show an example of what you are talking about?
Admittedly the ones I had were usually beaten up pieces of shit and still did ok when they were clean, but once they got filthy it was a jamomatic. My worry would be having one and not having access to cleaning supplies every day. I think piston driven ARs solve this problem but at the expense of weight.
How many rounds do you allow yourself to fire between cleanings? What can help prevent rust long-term?
Lube, lube and more lube, where the bolt carrier rides. Think of an engine where the oil washes away metal fragments and coking to be filtered in the sump/oil filter.
T. Rex Arms has a great explanation. Tight tolerances, means lube a lot in the right places.
Loved my M16a2.
That being said, you can bury an AK in dirt for years, dig it up and it will still fire.
M16 won't/
Get both
All that's left to do at that point is hope your death is as swift as sk8er boi's.
He wasn’t good enuff for him
But now he's a superstar
Kyle makes Navy Seals look in the mirror and wonder if they’re really operators.
When he tripped they tried to swarm him even with skateboards. Real life isn't larp. Tides are changing.
I saw a reddit post trying to ridicule r/conservative and every "ridiculous" point they made was completely logical...so most people were like "I won't even bother clicking after all I've seen.
Womp womp
PREDATOR
KEK
Hard to keep both arms when you attack Kyle.
I’ve got both. It makes me happy. Highly recommend.
this is the way.
AR all the way. It's just so customizable.
I swear the AR is the Team guys Barbie Doll. They will endlessly accessorize their ARs.
I feel personally attacked as i upgraded several parts of my first build before I ever shot it...
How did far did that buffer tube retainer pin fly when you switched out to an ambi sling lug?
You just gave me flashbacks to the painful memory of swapping in an indexed buffer tube on my 9mm build with heavy buffer and buffer spring.
I have recovered both buffer tube retainer pins and the selector detent spring via vacuum, tyvm. Also keep a few spares around!
Thanks for admitting your experience with those systems. When you look at it they are elegant, but when you don't know they exist, it is like taking apart a swiss watch without a diagram. Springs and pins flying everywhere!
"Private what did you do! What did you do! You will be finding every single piece even if you stay here all night!!!"
They are minor inconveniences for how fun the platform is! Unless you build a 300bo upper and count $ as you shoot.
But yeah, I'm always forgetting that some piece is under spring pressure. "Oh crap, where did that detent go?"
Black Out is awesome, but you might as well be feeding a 50 BMG or owning an offshore powerboat.
Your friends : "This is awesome, we are having so much fun!"
You : "$20, $20, $20, $20...
Now I feel attacked.
Sorry to pour salt in a fresh wound. The AR is a high fashion model that will slap you up side the head if you cross her rules/design. Once you know her, she cannot hurt you anymore. She moans for you... for you know all her little secrets.
The AK is more of the town pump, gets the job done and harmless as long as you wear protection and don't care that anyone can use her.
I like the sloot
heh, I did this. I was swapping out the stock spring for a J&H quiet spring on my only AR. I wasn't prepared, and somehow, even after the guy in the YouTube video cautioned, it still surprised me. Thankfully, I was able to find it in the carpeting.
Up in Heaven, Eli Stoner is chuckling, thanks for your story!
The pivot pin retainer spring/detent got me on the first build. Those little buggers can really get moving when compressed.
It is one of those "Ah-ha!" moments, we all have when diving into building in a new engineering/art space.
We created a two piece mold for a surface piercing off shore racing prop. The guy that commissioned it, could not wrap his head around how it could be done.
"You unscrew it out of the mold, like how it moves through the water column on the boat."
Him : "Whoa!"
It was also one of those moments where you watched a lot of videos about how to assemble something and they are all like "Now this is the hard part so I use this trick to make it easier"
And I'm just like "Nah I got thi...oh shit!"
Or the Forest Gump line, "I am not a smart man..."
Live and learn, it is the best way to live life.
My advice is for newbies to disassemble the buffer tube carrier/stock section under a tarp/poncho/blanket... with eye protection.
When the pins and springs smack into the fabric, it lets you know how to approach the process the next time.
They will come out from under the covers and say, "WTF! How did that happen!"
The AR-15 weapon system includes quite a few little surprises to the uninitiated.
I wouldn't want anything less for my fiancé.
True but these days, there are a lot of parts to customize your AK as well.
Machinist here, AR is vastly superior in its designand manufacturing as well. Such a well thought out platform. Very simple, all the hard work is done in the machine shop so you can rely on it in the field.
AR is mind-boggling in how revolutionary its design is in almost every aspect. Even just the takedown style, or the monolithic upper/lower that doesn't require welding or pinning anything.
The only real two downsides to the AR is that DI gas system which is somewhat less than ideal, and that unless you're a super-cool-guy like me who has a ZM LR-300, folding stock options are kind of not-good.
I liked AKs for a while until people started putting those fuck-ugly Magpul handguards on them.
Why not put a 7.62 upper on your AR. Pretend you got both
And pointless lulz
yup, better spending the money on a 300blk upper
And pay 1$ per round? I’ll stick my 7.62 upper you work around the jamming just have to be willing to do the work.
Agree, however the cost is negligible at this point. I can't find 7.62 in stock anywhere that's not double what it should be.. because of this in my area 300blk is actually cheaper and in stock.
I don't like backordering ammo either.. oxymoron to me.. an IOU doesn't protect my family.
I just ordered 2000 rounds of 7.62 for 600$. Not a bad deal given the circumstances
Steel or brass?
Gold plated titanium rounds.
nice to see you putting quality time into your real estate business, as well as putting that medical license to good use.
Just get 6.5 grendel or something good instead?
The correct answer is to get ALL of them.
7.62x39 is an inferior cartridge imo. There's a reason the russians switched everything to 5.45x39.
You think it matters in a gun shortage going on now.
I'd take a .22 if that was the only option.
I don’t think you have the room in the mag well for 7.62 nato with the standard AR lower receiver.
Edit: and then I remembered - communists don’t shoot NATO rounds. Lol forgot about 7.62x39
The R7 rocket would like a word about that statement. It was the world's first working ICBM, and they still launch people into space on it.
But does it make up for the hilarity that was the N1?
MIG-21 as well.
Not saying I agree with commieism but objectively they had some fantastic stuff, all built under the penalty of death. I actually liked their process. Engineers in an office would design it. Engineers on the factory floor would throw those plans away and re-design it for the real world.
The T-72 was an amazing tank when it showed up on the scene. It got outmatched not long after but it was a great machine.
Mig-25 still holds the unclassified record for highest altitude. Of course, it was designed to chase down the SR-71 so it better be able to fly high.
A 1950's generation surface to air missile (S-100) operated by a drunk slav shot down our "stealth fighter" over Kosovo.
The RPG-7, designed in 1947, is still wrecking the most modern armor we can throw at it. It's still such a big hitter that the only defense is wrapping million dollar vehicles and its million dollar armor with chain-link fence to pre-detonate the warhead.
Their rocket engine is the standard used today. The Soviets had designed an engine in the 1970's that was decades ahead of what we were doing in the 1990's when communism fell. https://youtu.be/TMbl_ofF3AM?t=1950
I sincerely do admire the pragmatism of the Soviet/Russians. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer.
...edit... I guess I am kind of a fanboy looking at the size of that reply. kek
Ironically they were used pretty often against commies as well
SKS = Nostalgia for the Reagan years. And it's great for camping trips.
The right arm of the free world.
SKS = broke kid with a grocery store gig.
me
Well yeah. They used to be $100 new. At least they were when I got my first one a long, long time ago. Cheap simple fun. The AR is my choice for social work.
It's for when you want a full auto at the end of the day and want to keep saying "clip" instead of "magazine"
Brandon grabbed his go bag as soon as Matt and Kentucky realized he was behind their feud. Love the drama guys, nice way to distract us from the riots!
One wielded by a lethal legend, the other a round headed soy retard.
Guys, come on, this is DISGUSTING. An innocent was taken from us in the AK case.
THAT AK DID NOTHING WRONG!!!
It's not the AK's fault that the cuck that bought it was a Socialist idiot. And now, the poor, suffering AK is stuck in an evidence locker, never to shoot freely again.
Let's not all make fun of this poor AK, it did nothing wrong.
AK lives matter!
Never fired and only dropped once!
Lol Garrett's entire claim to fame was being comedy fodder for like 3 - 4 days .... what a waste of life . So is his mom going to take over diaper changing duties of that jogger potato he was "dating"
Quite possibly one of the most savage comments I've ever read. It almost made me gasp... Well done
No sympathy for commies
Laughed like an idiot at that last sentence. Then I saw your username.
Well played lmao.
I’ve never fired an AK but I’ve seen a lot of videos of jihadis hip firing them into the ground.
Jihadis use the "In sh'allah" marksmanship method. Close eyes, trend barrel toward target, pull trigger as hard as you can to make the bullet go faster, you will hit if Allah wills it.
And yeah, AK sights ain't worth sour owl shit.
I'd still rock an AK. I love both!
It's situational. If I want to be able to walk amongst the communist filth and infiltrate, I will have my AK. If I want to stand amongst my brothers and hold the line, AR.
I suppose so, the AR platform has liberated many from tyranny. Though, I like to think that it'd be fun to be like the Afghan Mujaheddin, and use the AKM against the communists lol.
I can’t believe how much venom I received by saying Kyle didn’t commit first degree murder.
Poison is a pussy’s weapon.
What did you do say this on Faceberg?
Same. Don’t care though
Kyle's story is more impressive every time I think about it
Right?! Look at it on paper - Kyle was a slightly overweight 17 year old kid with next to no relevant experience. Totally unassuming.
With some belief, practice and a level head, he single handedly dispatched multiple threats without breaking a sweat including clearly a jam.
Imagine what 50 or 100 Kyles could do?
Now multiply that by the disenfranchised, law abiding, gun-owing, military aged adults in the USA...
Yeah for real. That was one untrained kid. Imagine what could 4 vets moving as a team do to one of those mobs of commies.
He looks chubby in a lot of pics but he had a glow up at some point. Looks fit in the videos.
AKs are 3rd world guns. Know how to operate and maintain them, but there's no reason to own one until you pick one up off a dead commie.
Well a good reason to own one is to gain familiarity with the rifle.
Hey it's your money, pede. Have at it.
Well I have both already. I prefer the AR but the AK is certainly a "problem solver" if necessary.
I don’t like the way you have to insert the mag on the AK. But I like both rifles.
You just have to get used to it. One day you’re going to be like “shit, I need an m1A” and it will be worth it.
Who doesn't like the rock and lock?
Yeah but if you ever manage to lock it wrong it’s a pain in the ass to get it out. It’s not a dealbreaker and it is easy to overcome with use but it’s still a pain. That could just be me and other people may have a better experience or never even experienced that at all. I like the rifle though. I’d never discourage anyone from getting one because of that.
If you do that, remember to hit on the back of the magazine (towards the direction of the muzzle) easiest way to get it loose again if that happens.
If you use an AR just remember fully loaded magazines sometimes have a problem seating. So make sure you give it a good slap on the bottom and maybe consider loading only 29 rounds in your mags. They'll seat much more reliably.
Haha damn, this ones spicy.
AK for ruggedness, AR for precision.
AR is also pretty over-engineered; so many tiny little bits that any one of goes bad leaves you clicking.
Don’t get me wrong, I have both, but come zombie apocalypse, it’s AK all the way.
AK with A bayonette attachment and youre all set.
I mean, most of those little bits would only go bad if you were using it heavily over and over and over again.
In a post society world, the potential for that type of usage without access to a smith becomes very real-
The ridiculousness of the phrase "post society world" aside, guns in general would be rendered mostly worthless fairly early on with any kind of decent use.
I always liked AK's better, I guess just because of the iconic design, bigger round, and just old school reliability. Ammo has been dirt cheap for a long time too. But I finally broke down and got my first AR today.
I really do like the light weight, low recoil, and ergonomics of the AR. Is also nice because it's so easy to mod to one's liking. The only thing that sucks is once you start it's just a rabbit hole. I'm already wanting to replace the stock optics. Also want a new hand guard, the stock one kind of sucks.
I'm a huge fan of the stock handguards from an ergonomics perspective, but I'm also too poor to afford a laser, etc. that would go on the mlok handguards that are all the rage these days. Just commit to spending more on ammo than you spend on mods so you're forced to train with it.
I've got an AK in 5.56 it's best if both worlds!
Check the mirror... you are glowing.
I'm grabbing my Barret 50 cal.
Well I'm certainly not going for a skateboard after what happened.
Another dead communist!
It is not the rifle. It is righteous character that makes all the difference.
John Lovell?
Why ya gotta be divisive like this?
Oh shit. I like the AK.
more stronk
Someone quick, get Kyle a gimpy black girlfriend so we can make it an even fight
I know of a black girl in a wheelchair in Austin that needs a new man.
Idk I heard she's got her eye on the one armed commie.
Hey, she can't get away under her own power either! A captive audience!
I might, except I don't wipe anyone elses ass. Not gonna happen.
It's not the gun but the gunholder...
i havent had an AR for that long but my AK has never failed me once, my AR has.. Accuracy wise AR all day but for reliability I'd choose my AK
I’ve had plenty of stoppages on my AK. Probably more so than any of my ARs. Granted, I keep my ARs immaculate. Any semiautomatic rifle will jam eventually. What’s key is knowing how to perform immediate action to clear a stoppage on whatever rifle you’re shooting. Slap pull observe release tap shoot
It’s settled science you Glock suprematist
Despite multiple times of finding out, they will continue to fuck around. you know this
Im not sure they’re smart enough to find out, even if we show them.
I’d grab my AR but I have more ammo for my AK
That commie fuck had ZERO skill and business holding a Hi-point let alone a WASR... he was a keyboard pussy that fucked around and found out! That being said.. the AR is more accurate at distance but more prone to jams and breakdowns. The AK platform is versatile but less accurate at distance... I love and own both platforms.
This was a proper experiment because they controlled for the variables. See, they both had light hats, green shirts, and dark pants. So clearly the only difference was the two models of rifle.
Well, that and the small difference that the AR was held by a true patriotic citizen and the AK was held by a LARPing terrorist. Minor detail.
This patriot trained though. ATX shitbird was just a larper
On the left is a well trained marksman. On the right is a quickly conscripted cosplayer with a low IQ and zero situational awareness.
Well, unless I’m in a sandy desert.
Dry lube in the desert. You don't want sand sticking to your shit and tearing up your aluminum. Otherwise grease for sliding and oil for spinning.
Take an AK, drag it behind your truck through the mud, let it sit for a year then throw it into a pond to wash it off...
It will still fire, damn near indestructible. Not terribly accurate but fucking built to last.
Still trying to wrap my head around this shit. 17 year old kid thinking quick, surrounded by chaos, able to defend his life. Most people wouldn't have had the gumption to make it through that.
Seriously and not one shot extra
Antifa scumbag in Austin who shot at someone in a car. Driver promptly pulled his piece and ventilated his commie ass.
Did he actually shoot at the guy? I thought he only pointed it at the guy in the car?
The AK guy confronted an innocent driver, in Austin, who was surrounded by Antifa thugs who were screaming at him and blocking his route, and pointed his AK right at him, so the driver protected himself with his legal CCW and shot him, then sped away and called the police.
Died.
I'm still going with my AK! All hail Kyle!
The whole AK's are more reliable thing is a myth by the way. AK's are resistant to neglect, AR's are better with abuse. AKs do better with neglect, ie letting them rust and foul, not cleaning them, leaving them in a shed for months or years, etc because the loose tolerances between the moving parts can still clear each other when fired. But those loose tolerances also make it much easier for dirt, sand, mud, and other debris to get inside and cause jams. A thin layer of rust on the parts won't stop it, but sand and mud very likely will. An AR on the other hand has very tight tolerances which makes it more reliant on strict cleaning and maintenance. A thin layer or rust or corrosion on AR parts can cause a jam since they're so close together. But that close tolerance also helps prevent sand and mud from being able to get inside the parts in the first place. The AR is more resilient when it comes to mud and dirt and the like.
I didnt believe this myself until I watched the mud test on InRange
That's a great video series.
AKs and ARs have their place. If you are, for whatever right minded patriotic reason, stashing a rifle someplace that you don't intend on pulling out for years, an AK is a way to go. Pull it out of the ground, out of the shed, out of the trunk, whatever, 3 or 4 years after you put it in there with zero maintenance, the AK will probably shoot. If it looks a little rusty and tarnished, that's fine. It'll probably still shoot. But if you're getting a fighting rifle you plan on carrying on you and keeping with you and you know you'll have 5 minutes to wipe it down a few times a week, an AR is the way to go.
Both great, just gotta train, different battery of arms but both have killed lots of people. No matter what you have practice with it. Practice clearing malfunctions also. All guns can and will jamb eventually.
AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle, of the ArmaLite Rifle Company, www.armalite.com
Do you know where you are? Who's the president? If armalite makes an AR in Arkansas, is it an AR AR AR?
I say whatever you can get your hands on and what you can get Ammo for.
This
Laughs in Galil
Just kidding, I have and like them all.
I would like a Galil ACE in 7.62x39
5.56x45 is hard to find in areas where you can't order online and gunstores won't allow online ordered shipments...
I mean....I'm sure everyone has a list of which gun they want most of every caliber they also want...right?
I kick myself once a month for not snatching one of those up when they were cheap. Fucking Mossberg is getting old.
The Vepr 12 is really nice too if you can ever find one.
As long as you’re running high brass shells