"Shot at" is questionably accurate, although someone does shoot, and it's hard to tell if that person is pursuing Kyle or not. The self defense is justifiable without that first shot. As noted the first "victim" was trying to assault people with guns, tries to take Kyle's gun, and is seen chasing Kyle.
Back to that gunshot, you do see several people with long poles that appear to be pursuing Kyle from a distance, near the person who fired a shot into the air. Kyle was probably in more danger than he realized. I think there was a mob pursuing him before that first shot, and it may have been the same mob chasing him during the 2nd and 3rd shots.
I think it's going to be practically impossible to suggest Kyle should have done anything different during the first shooting. Kyle was already retreating. He fired at the last possible moment. Failing to shoot would have resulted in lost of control over the weapon. The other guy was VERY aggressive, as evidenced by both the chasing and assault on a person with a gun, and the earlier video of "shoot me nigga."
If the first was self-defense, then the 2nd and 3rd would logically also be self-defense, even if the people attacking him were doing so with good intentions. The intention of the attackers is irrelevant to whether self-defense is justified, however it is an interesting question...
Now, we see the 2nd and 3rd person at the "shoot me nigga" incident. The skateboard guy is dressed like antifa and carrying a skateboard that he runs with and uses as a club but doesn't skate with, and is also seen supporting the original antagonize. They were both aware of people trying to pick fights with persons holding guns, and may have both been instigating, and completely aware they were chasing and assaulting a guy who might have just defended himself.
The only one who might have had (mislead) good intentions would be the "paramedic hat" person with the gun, which Kyle disarmed, but we do have those comments about him saying he wished he had killed Kyle, and some other possible evidence he may have been a riot leader.
I reckon Kyle is very lucky that the armless guy attacked him, the alternative would have been two people in an awkward standoff and I highly suspect that the commie would have fired at Kyle when given the chance.
Just strange that he went for a lunge rather than a shot with the fucking gun that he was holding.
Yeah, Kyle handled it perfectly and the un-armed guy fucked up spectacularly.
I've played games where I make a split decision and I hate myself for it, I can't imagine what it feels like to make such a fucked up decision in the heat of the moment and end up not only not killing the guy, but losing a chunk out of your fucking arm lmao.
If self preservation is an instinct you possess and someone is chasing you with a gun, it's not a bad idea to shoot them first. And luckily it ended up being the perfect placed shot. Outside of a head shot the commie could have squeezed off a few rounds at Kyle. But that arm was blown to smithereens and rendered completely useless.
It looks slightly different from different angles. From behind Kyle, it looks more like faking surrender before pointing the pistol at Kyle, from Kyle's left, it looks like he was trying to approach Kyle for execution after entering the edge of Kyle's peripheral vision to conceal the gun pointing. From Kyle's right, on video, the events happened so quickly in real time that Kyle was sucker punched, hit with a skateboard, then had the pistol pointed at him in very rapid succession making it unclear if Lefty was trying anything at all or almost pointed the pistol at Kyle's head and got disarmed a split second before the barrel could reach Kyle's head. Either way they were all chasing and assaulting a 17yo and almost killed him. Attempted murder, assault with intent to commit grievous harm, battery, intimidation, brandishing it doesn't really make a difference as long as Lefty gets hit with something. Zero chance of that happening.
Looks like he was trying to shove the rifle muzzle aside with his left hand while bringing his right hand around to shoot the pistol. There is another angle that better shows him moving to shove the muzzle aside.
That’s lack of training for ya. A trained individual would have drawn, assumed a firing position from a distance and kept the weapon trained on the target. Commie trash tried to shoot him point blank range like a noob
"hands up" guy was clear case of self defense as a still photo showed his arm exploding a fraction of a second before he had a Glock trained at Kyle's head.
Oh, for sure, the gun was pointed at Kyle at the moment Kyle fired, and he was lunging at Kyle. Even still, we have evidence that he intended to kill Kyle, but failed, which is very strongly in favor of self-defense.
You can hear a spare round hit some metal gutter or something and the round bounce around echoing off what sounds like a metal tube/through a metal tube at one point. perhaps penetrated/caught in some tube like structure. That sounded like incoming fire after the fact.
McGinnis stated that before the defendant reached the parking lot and ran across it, the defendant had moved from the middle of Sheridan Road to the sidewalk and that is when McGinnis saw a male (Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. McGinnis stated that as the defendant was walking Rosenbaum was trying to get closer to the defendant. When Rosenbaum advanced, the defendant did a “juke” move and started running. McGinnis stated that there were other people that were moving very quickly. McGinnis stated that they were moving towards the defendant. McGinnis said that according to what he saw the defendant was trying to evade these individuals.
It looks like we have confirmation that Kyle was being chased by a mob at the time of the first shots. This is very likely the same mob that assaults him during the 2nd and 3rd shooting. I'd be curious to see if we could get more footage from security cameras in the area, because it wouldn't surprise me if several of the people seen assaulting Kyle during the 2nd shooting were pursuing him from the very beginning.
"Shot at" is questionably accurate, although someone does shoot, and it's hard to tell if that person is pursuing Kyle or not. The self defense is justifiable without that first shot. As noted the first "victim" was trying to assault people with guns, tries to take Kyle's gun, and is seen chasing Kyle.
Back to that gunshot, you do see several people with long poles that appear to be pursuing Kyle from a distance, near the person who fired a shot into the air. Kyle was probably in more danger than he realized. I think there was a mob pursuing him before that first shot, and it may have been the same mob chasing him during the 2nd and 3rd shots.
I think it's going to be practically impossible to suggest Kyle should have done anything different during the first shooting. Kyle was already retreating. He fired at the last possible moment. Failing to shoot would have resulted in lost of control over the weapon. The other guy was VERY aggressive, as evidenced by both the chasing and assault on a person with a gun, and the earlier video of "shoot me nigga."
If the first was self-defense, then the 2nd and 3rd would logically also be self-defense, even if the people attacking him were doing so with good intentions. The intention of the attackers is irrelevant to whether self-defense is justified, however it is an interesting question...
Now, we see the 2nd and 3rd person at the "shoot me nigga" incident. The skateboard guy is dressed like antifa and carrying a skateboard that he runs with and uses as a club but doesn't skate with, and is also seen supporting the original antagonize. They were both aware of people trying to pick fights with persons holding guns, and may have both been instigating, and completely aware they were chasing and assaulting a guy who might have just defended himself.
The only one who might have had (mislead) good intentions would be the "paramedic hat" person with the gun, which Kyle disarmed, but we do have those comments about him saying he wished he had killed Kyle, and some other possible evidence he may have been a riot leader.
I reckon Kyle is very lucky that the armless guy attacked him, the alternative would have been two people in an awkward standoff and I highly suspect that the commie would have fired at Kyle when given the chance.
Just strange that he went for a lunge rather than a shot with the fucking gun that he was holding.
Yeah, Kyle handled it perfectly and the un-armed guy fucked up spectacularly.
I've played games where I make a split decision and I hate myself for it, I can't imagine what it feels like to make such a fucked up decision in the heat of the moment and end up not only not killing the guy, but losing a chunk out of your fucking arm lmao.
If self preservation is an instinct you possess and someone is chasing you with a gun, it's not a bad idea to shoot them first. And luckily it ended up being the perfect placed shot. Outside of a head shot the commie could have squeezed off a few rounds at Kyle. But that arm was blown to smithereens and rendered completely useless.
It looks slightly different from different angles. From behind Kyle, it looks more like faking surrender before pointing the pistol at Kyle, from Kyle's left, it looks like he was trying to approach Kyle for execution after entering the edge of Kyle's peripheral vision to conceal the gun pointing. From Kyle's right, on video, the events happened so quickly in real time that Kyle was sucker punched, hit with a skateboard, then had the pistol pointed at him in very rapid succession making it unclear if Lefty was trying anything at all or almost pointed the pistol at Kyle's head and got disarmed a split second before the barrel could reach Kyle's head. Either way they were all chasing and assaulting a 17yo and almost killed him. Attempted murder, assault with intent to commit grievous harm, battery, intimidation, brandishing it doesn't really make a difference as long as Lefty gets hit with something. Zero chance of that happening.
Looks like he was trying to shove the rifle muzzle aside with his left hand while bringing his right hand around to shoot the pistol. There is another angle that better shows him moving to shove the muzzle aside.
Standoffs are a Hollywood myth. They don't happen in real life. You can't give the other person the chance to pull the trigger first.
happened once at one protest, guy in truck and protester pointing guns at each other for several seconds
That’s lack of training for ya. A trained individual would have drawn, assumed a firing position from a distance and kept the weapon trained on the target. Commie trash tried to shoot him point blank range like a noob
Paramedic Hat/Gaige Grosenkreuz is on camera saying, "I was trying to get him [Rittenhouse] back" after being shot in the arm.
Link?
Just call him lefty.
Byeceps
I'm going to have to steal that one
Oh fuck.... Lol!
Kek.
Most literal use of the word.
De-armed
"hands up" guy was clear case of self defense as a still photo showed his arm exploding a fraction of a second before he had a Glock trained at Kyle's head.
Oh, for sure, the gun was pointed at Kyle at the moment Kyle fired, and he was lunging at Kyle. Even still, we have evidence that he intended to kill Kyle, but failed, which is very strongly in favor of self-defense.
You can hear a spare round hit some metal gutter or something and the round bounce around echoing off what sounds like a metal tube/through a metal tube at one point. perhaps penetrated/caught in some tube like structure. That sounded like incoming fire after the fact.
To update my previous post
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/08/27/details-revealed-state-vs-kyle-rittenhouse-criminal-complaint/
It looks like we have confirmation that Kyle was being chased by a mob at the time of the first shots. This is very likely the same mob that assaults him during the 2nd and 3rd shooting. I'd be curious to see if we could get more footage from security cameras in the area, because it wouldn't surprise me if several of the people seen assaulting Kyle during the 2nd shooting were pursuing him from the very beginning.