Sounds like Kyle aimed low to limit background collateral risk, hit center mass and continued to fire on the threat as the target spun from the impact and fell to the ground.
He then ceased fire, made ready to render aid, assessed the situation, determined that it was unsafe, and egressed the danger zone.
My impression from the videos is the shooter, as he was running away from Rosenbaum, fell or was otherwise trapped between the cars, and Rosenbaum perhaps made a move for the gun or for the kid, which might explain the gunshot wound to the hand. It happens so fast and it's so dark and small in the image. But, you can hear 4-5 shots in the videos which explain the other wounds, I think, but I would have to go back and watch it.
I am trying to decipher the media and the left's impression that the shooter murdered these people as though he was walking around randomly shooting people. Just watch the video. In every instance he is clearly being chased. If I am carrying a gun and I am then being chased by someone, and I then become trapped or fall down or whatever it may be, or the person chasing me catches up to me, would I not be in my right, fearing for my life, to use my gun on the person chasing me?
My buddies gf believes the propaganda that he was out clapping people despite him showing her the compilation video I sent him. Yuri Bezmanov is right. You can show them irrefutable evidence to their face and they will deny it.
GoFundMe's offical twitter account tweeted skaterboy's GoFundMe, calling him a fucking hero in the tweet. Fuck GoFundMe. They also took down Kyle's GoFundMe
Not only was he being pursued, while he was retreating from an area where he had witnessed violent felonies and criminal looting taking place, he heard a gunshot near and in his direction, (fired into the air according to the NYT), and then observed a previously encountered raging racist lunatic charging him at full attack speed.
An eyewitness described seeing the attacker try to take the gun, but it’s unclear at what point that occurred during this event.
And there is no “impression” that the media are under — they can see the same videos plain as day. They are purposefully lying and even editing footage to falsely smear Kyle; purposefully inciting violence using propaganda and censorship, despite utilizing government-enabled monopoly access to airwaves, internet infrastructure, ‘intellectual property’, and speech protections.
Yeah, the way normal assault laws work, if someone is retreating, anyone who attacks them becomes the aggressor and they're allowed to defend themselves.
I don't claim to know the specific laws in play here, but from the evidence I've seen, he has a good claim for self-defense and possibly a few libel lawsuits against the media afterward if they don't update their coverage with facts.
Need to prove "actual malice" if someone becomes a "public figure".
Nick Sandmann didn't put himself into the news in any way, shape, or form, so he was able to avoid having to prove the "actual malice" standard. Reporting on a triple shooting is newsworthy, so the media gets protected by the higher standard.
Seriously fuck the Supreme Court for its "NY Times v. Sullivan" decision and its sequels. There was absolutely no basis in law or custom for it, it was pure legislating-from-the-bench.
I don’t think the issue or charges have to do with him killing in self defense. It’s that it was a riot zone and he shouldn’t have been there. Thus his self defense isn’t a defense anymore.
A common similar situation is a drunk driver (slightly over the limit) is driving properly and a sober driver/pedestrian/biker/etc does something improper causing an accident with the drunk driver and caused their own death or occupant. The drunk driver will still get an unintentional homicide every time.
Now replace dui with rioting/trespassing/breaking curfew or whatever and you have the same situation.
The case won’t be over self defense, it will be over his right to be there in the first place as it is a result of the deaths.
Unfortunately morally right isn’t always legally right.
The beauty of the internet is we can get the truth from each other, we don't need these media and political gatekeepers. People everywhere can freely exchange their ideas and we can judge for ourselves. That the Left feels a need to censor because they think elections are being interfered with via Fake News only says one thing about what they think about society: they think that people are stupid and incapable of discernment. It's totally unfair.
Many people now have been rendered incapable of discernment by schools and social media censoring. Here in the Bay, you wouldn’t believe the stupid shit you hear people believe about the news. Basically everything you’ve ever heard CNN say is taken as gospel x 100. Was talking to a client the other day that started going off on the Blake shooting, the guy that was running away from the cops and then to his car. Lady I was talking to started jumping up and down saying “we deserve this, these fucking crackers keep shooting innocent black people, we fucking deserve this, these fucking crackers!!!” Damn near frothing at the mouth, then going on to call people hicks and rednecks and what not. Keep in mind she herself is an older white lady that’s overweight, and looks like the stereotype of a crazy redneck lady. You could put her in any one of these towns and she’d look like you were making fun of the people that lived there.
Since it was a work situation I wasn’t about to stir shit up, but I did say that “you saw a short video a few seconds long. The guy had a long criminal history, the cops were called there to arrest him, he started flailing around resisting arrest as everyone kept telling him not to including his family, he was mostly likely armed, and he wasn’t exactly reaching into his car to drive away, he was going for something.” She kept saying they should have tased him or used rubber bullets then. I said they probably tried that already, and if they didn’t, it’s not like all cops are covered in tasers and bean bag guns and what not. Most police departments don’t make much anyway. Low and behold, time goes on and we find they already had tried to tase him, etc.
I didn’t say it at the time, but I felt like saying “if I was a cop and some crazy asshole that was about to go away for a long time started reaching abruptly into his car and ignoring our orders after he’d just tried to attack us, I’d have unloaded on him too. Was he reaching in there for a birthday present? I doubt it.” She kept saying they should have been trained better and not shot him so many times. All I thought was “that’s what they’re trained to do. You keep shooting until the threat is eliminated. If more cops are around, they all jump in to help. Everybody shoots until somebody drops.” If you’re afraid of him dying, it’s not like he’s going to be rendered ‘more dead’ if he’s been shot 3+ times with a 45 near the center of mass. He was lucky to be alive at all in this case.
“It doesn't matter if the hoax is meant to tell a big lie to the public, trying to implant a small idea inside a larger message, or attempting to fit developing events into an existing narrative; these tactics can be observed.
These techniques apply regardless of whether a vast network works together to execute a well-planned-out long disinformation campaign, or a small group hastily assembles a reactionary counter-message to achieve a tacit goal, cover up a crime, or simply delay public awareness by a few weeks.
Every hoax will share many of these common characteristics, be it designed for the whole world to believe, directed at thought leaders to manipulate decisions, laid out to cover-up events from history, piggybacking on a real event, or even targeted at only a small audience.”
The charging document says that both Rosenbaum and Huber tried to take the rifle from him. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you have a requirement to give your weapon to someone just because they want to take it from you.
McGinnis stated that before the defendant reached the parking lot and ran across it, the defendant had moved from the middle of Sheridan Road to the sidewalk and that is when McGinnis saw a male (Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. McGinnis stated that as the defendant was walking Rosenbaum was trying to get closer to the defendant. When Rosenbaum advanced, the defendant did a “juke” move and started running. McGinnis stated that there were other people that were moving very quickly. McGinnis stated that they were moving towards the defendant. McGinnis said that according to what he saw the defendant was trying to evade these individuals.
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McGinnis stated that the first round went into the ground and when the second shot went off, the defendant actually had the gun aimed at Rosenbaum. McGinnis stated he did not hear the two exchange any words. McGinnis said that the unarmed guy (Rosenbaum) was trying to get the defendant’s gun. McGinnis demonstrated by extending both of his hands in a quick grabbing motion and did that as a visual on how Rosenbaum tried to reach for the defendant’s gun. Detective Cepress indicates that he asked McGinnis if Rosenbaum had his hands on the gun when the defendant shot. McGinnis said that he definitely made a motion that he was trying to grab the barrel of the gun. McGinnis stated that the defendant pulled it away and then raised it. McGinnis stated that right as they came together, the defendant fired. McGinnis said that when Rosenbaum was shot, he had leaned in (towards the defendant).
For sure, to hit the crispiest of shots whilest under duress, especially after getting molly whopped with a skateboard, super impressive. To be able to pull off that 1v2, collecting a Kill and the disarming, pro style. Please powerful Lawyer friends, help this Pede in Need.
He was deployed to an insurgents zone where he was subsequently surrounded by Charlie in a prone position. On his last magazine, he took suppression fire from a Beta team of hostiles, managing to injure one in the arm and quickly killing 2 others. Kyle saved the lives of countless people that day and has been awarded the Purple Heart.
Sounds like Kyle aimed low to limit background collateral risk, hit center mass and continued to fire on the threat as the target spun from the impact and fell to the ground.
He then ceased fire, made ready to render aid, assessed the situation, determined that it was unsafe, and egressed the danger zone.
Metal af
And sometimes even offer you fruit bonuses!
Cause of death: Acute lead poisoning
Yup, known symptom of COVID-19. What a shame...
Cause of death: fucked around, found out
overdosed on pills. Lead ones
Operator af
Kid’s a natural.
My impression from the videos is the shooter, as he was running away from Rosenbaum, fell or was otherwise trapped between the cars, and Rosenbaum perhaps made a move for the gun or for the kid, which might explain the gunshot wound to the hand. It happens so fast and it's so dark and small in the image. But, you can hear 4-5 shots in the videos which explain the other wounds, I think, but I would have to go back and watch it.
I am trying to decipher the media and the left's impression that the shooter murdered these people as though he was walking around randomly shooting people. Just watch the video. In every instance he is clearly being chased. If I am carrying a gun and I am then being chased by someone, and I then become trapped or fall down or whatever it may be, or the person chasing me catches up to me, would I not be in my right, fearing for my life, to use my gun on the person chasing me?
Coworker on Facebook is sharing the CNN story from skaterboi’s GF that he was out protecting people. Must have seen a different video than me
I’m protecting society by beating this 17 year old with my skateboard!
Well the world is a better place today because of his contributions that night.
Frankly i’m surprised (and glad) that there hasn’t been a Bon Jovi “straight to the heart“ reference.
My buddies gf believes the propaganda that he was out clapping people despite him showing her the compilation video I sent him. Yuri Bezmanov is right. You can show them irrefutable evidence to their face and they will deny it.
It is not possible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
GoFundMe's offical twitter account tweeted skaterboy's GoFundMe, calling him a fucking hero in the tweet. Fuck GoFundMe. They also took down Kyle's GoFundMe
"skateboard makes contact with the defendant's left shoulder" says CNN.
He was trying to brain him and remove his rifle- center mass shot and he is taking a dirt nap.
You mean they must of read the fake news headline
Not only was he being pursued, while he was retreating from an area where he had witnessed violent felonies and criminal looting taking place, he heard a gunshot near and in his direction, (fired into the air according to the NYT), and then observed a previously encountered raging racist lunatic charging him at full attack speed.
An eyewitness described seeing the attacker try to take the gun, but it’s unclear at what point that occurred during this event.
And there is no “impression” that the media are under — they can see the same videos plain as day. They are purposefully lying and even editing footage to falsely smear Kyle; purposefully inciting violence using propaganda and censorship, despite utilizing government-enabled monopoly access to airwaves, internet infrastructure, ‘intellectual property’, and speech protections.
Yeah, the way normal assault laws work, if someone is retreating, anyone who attacks them becomes the aggressor and they're allowed to defend themselves.
I don't claim to know the specific laws in play here, but from the evidence I've seen, he has a good claim for self-defense and possibly a few libel lawsuits against the media afterward if they don't update their coverage with facts.
Need to prove "actual malice" if someone becomes a "public figure".
Nick Sandmann didn't put himself into the news in any way, shape, or form, so he was able to avoid having to prove the "actual malice" standard. Reporting on a triple shooting is newsworthy, so the media gets protected by the higher standard.
Seriously fuck the Supreme Court for its "NY Times v. Sullivan" decision and its sequels. There was absolutely no basis in law or custom for it, it was pure legislating-from-the-bench.
I hadn't thought about the libel lawsuits... I wonder if that's why Sandman's lawyer jumped on this case so fast? This kid could be set for life
I don’t think the issue or charges have to do with him killing in self defense. It’s that it was a riot zone and he shouldn’t have been there. Thus his self defense isn’t a defense anymore.
A common similar situation is a drunk driver (slightly over the limit) is driving properly and a sober driver/pedestrian/biker/etc does something improper causing an accident with the drunk driver and caused their own death or occupant. The drunk driver will still get an unintentional homicide every time.
Now replace dui with rioting/trespassing/breaking curfew or whatever and you have the same situation.
The case won’t be over self defense, it will be over his right to be there in the first place as it is a result of the deaths.
Unfortunately morally right isn’t always legally right.
The beauty of the internet is we can get the truth from each other, we don't need these media and political gatekeepers. People everywhere can freely exchange their ideas and we can judge for ourselves. That the Left feels a need to censor because they think elections are being interfered with via Fake News only says one thing about what they think about society: they think that people are stupid and incapable of discernment. It's totally unfair.
Many people now have been rendered incapable of discernment by schools and social media censoring. Here in the Bay, you wouldn’t believe the stupid shit you hear people believe about the news. Basically everything you’ve ever heard CNN say is taken as gospel x 100. Was talking to a client the other day that started going off on the Blake shooting, the guy that was running away from the cops and then to his car. Lady I was talking to started jumping up and down saying “we deserve this, these fucking crackers keep shooting innocent black people, we fucking deserve this, these fucking crackers!!!” Damn near frothing at the mouth, then going on to call people hicks and rednecks and what not. Keep in mind she herself is an older white lady that’s overweight, and looks like the stereotype of a crazy redneck lady. You could put her in any one of these towns and she’d look like you were making fun of the people that lived there.
Since it was a work situation I wasn’t about to stir shit up, but I did say that “you saw a short video a few seconds long. The guy had a long criminal history, the cops were called there to arrest him, he started flailing around resisting arrest as everyone kept telling him not to including his family, he was mostly likely armed, and he wasn’t exactly reaching into his car to drive away, he was going for something.” She kept saying they should have tased him or used rubber bullets then. I said they probably tried that already, and if they didn’t, it’s not like all cops are covered in tasers and bean bag guns and what not. Most police departments don’t make much anyway. Low and behold, time goes on and we find they already had tried to tase him, etc.
I didn’t say it at the time, but I felt like saying “if I was a cop and some crazy asshole that was about to go away for a long time started reaching abruptly into his car and ignoring our orders after he’d just tried to attack us, I’d have unloaded on him too. Was he reaching in there for a birthday present? I doubt it.” She kept saying they should have been trained better and not shot him so many times. All I thought was “that’s what they’re trained to do. You keep shooting until the threat is eliminated. If more cops are around, they all jump in to help. Everybody shoots until somebody drops.” If you’re afraid of him dying, it’s not like he’s going to be rendered ‘more dead’ if he’s been shot 3+ times with a 45 near the center of mass. He was lucky to be alive at all in this case.
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RESTART YOUR PEACEFUL PROTEST AND TRY AGAIN. (BLM ERROR)
Sandmann all over again!!!!!
“It doesn't matter if the hoax is meant to tell a big lie to the public, trying to implant a small idea inside a larger message, or attempting to fit developing events into an existing narrative; these tactics can be observed.
These techniques apply regardless of whether a vast network works together to execute a well-planned-out long disinformation campaign, or a small group hastily assembles a reactionary counter-message to achieve a tacit goal, cover up a crime, or simply delay public awareness by a few weeks.
Every hoax will share many of these common characteristics, be it designed for the whole world to believe, directed at thought leaders to manipulate decisions, laid out to cover-up events from history, piggybacking on a real event, or even targeted at only a small audience.”
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The charging document says that both Rosenbaum and Huber tried to take the rifle from him. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you have a requirement to give your weapon to someone just because they want to take it from you.
Socialism I guess. It's OUR rifle?!?!
Especially when they're all felons and shouldn't be in possession of a weapon.
Makes sense.
In the charges, Rosenbaum went for the gun multiple times. Kyle was trying to evade them.
https://imgur.com/a/e9asRGE
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Thanks, I had not seen the actual complaint. This really clears it up. What jury is going to find this kid guilty?
A carefully chosen one
A jury of his intersectional transgender tenderqueer non-binary gay Muslim illegal immigrant peers.
A jury of his intersectional transgender tenderqueer non-binary gay Muslim illegal immigrant peers.
What about the Molotov cocktail seen clearly being lobbed at Kyle in the video?
it was a plastic bag with some object inside of it
A 35 year old convicted pedophile chases after a 17 year old.
In a state where the age of consent is 18.
Sex crime is not the issue CNN gonna push this election, I take it?
More a matter of starting while bringing the muzzle up, not a matter of bringing the muzzle down.
Pops.
For sure, to hit the crispiest of shots whilest under duress, especially after getting molly whopped with a skateboard, super impressive. To be able to pull off that 1v2, collecting a Kill and the disarming, pro style. Please powerful Lawyer friends, help this Pede in Need.
Another tick in the pro for the Nuclear family column
The receiving end on the other hand....
Probably, though I suspect he had long practiced using good habits, given his overall control of his weapon, accuracy, and situational awareness.
He was deployed to an insurgents zone where he was subsequently surrounded by Charlie in a prone position. On his last magazine, he took suppression fire from a Beta team of hostiles, managing to injure one in the arm and quickly killing 2 others. Kyle saved the lives of countless people that day and has been awarded the Purple Heart.
this is beautiful!
Sounds to me like he aimed for center mass, just like he should have.