My impression from the videos is the shooter, as he was running away from Rosenbaum, fell or was otherwise trapped between the cars, and Rosenbaum perhaps made a move for the gun or for the kid, which might explain the gunshot wound to the hand. It happens so fast and it's so dark and small in the image. But, you can hear 4-5 shots in the videos which explain the other wounds, I think, but I would have to go back and watch it.
I am trying to decipher the media and the left's impression that the shooter murdered these people as though he was walking around randomly shooting people. Just watch the video. In every instance he is clearly being chased. If I am carrying a gun and I am then being chased by someone, and I then become trapped or fall down or whatever it may be, or the person chasing me catches up to me, would I not be in my right, fearing for my life, to use my gun on the person chasing me?
My buddies gf believes the propaganda that he was out clapping people despite him showing her the compilation video I sent him. Yuri Bezmanov is right. You can show them irrefutable evidence to their face and they will deny it.
GoFundMe's offical twitter account tweeted skaterboy's GoFundMe, calling him a fucking hero in the tweet. Fuck GoFundMe. They also took down Kyle's GoFundMe
Not only was he being pursued, while he was retreating from an area where he had witnessed violent felonies and criminal looting taking place, he heard a gunshot near and in his direction, (fired into the air according to the NYT), and then observed a previously encountered raging racist lunatic charging him at full attack speed.
An eyewitness described seeing the attacker try to take the gun, but it’s unclear at what point that occurred during this event.
And there is no “impression” that the media are under — they can see the same videos plain as day. They are purposefully lying and even editing footage to falsely smear Kyle; purposefully inciting violence using propaganda and censorship, despite utilizing government-enabled monopoly access to airwaves, internet infrastructure, ‘intellectual property’, and speech protections.
Yeah, the way normal assault laws work, if someone is retreating, anyone who attacks them becomes the aggressor and they're allowed to defend themselves.
I don't claim to know the specific laws in play here, but from the evidence I've seen, he has a good claim for self-defense and possibly a few libel lawsuits against the media afterward if they don't update their coverage with facts.
I honestly think that being shot at (the rioters shot first) and surrounded with nowhere to go rightfully counts, but we'll see who they get on the jury pool.
What's the law in in Wisconsin? Is it the same - maybe the kid perceived he was trapped if there were people coming after him from the other side of the cars, or his "flight" adrenaline sort of kicked over to "fight" by the point he reached the car (like he was out of breath of something).
Need to prove "actual malice" if someone becomes a "public figure".
Nick Sandmann didn't put himself into the news in any way, shape, or form, so he was able to avoid having to prove the "actual malice" standard. Reporting on a triple shooting is newsworthy, so the media gets protected by the higher standard.
Seriously fuck the Supreme Court for its "NY Times v. Sullivan" decision and its sequels. There was absolutely no basis in law or custom for it, it was pure legislating-from-the-bench.
Well, the fix there would be to send them proof their statements were false and demand a retraction. I believe that's the normal first step before filing defamation claims anyhow.
I don’t think the issue or charges have to do with him killing in self defense. It’s that it was a riot zone and he shouldn’t have been there. Thus his self defense isn’t a defense anymore.
A common similar situation is a drunk driver (slightly over the limit) is driving properly and a sober driver/pedestrian/biker/etc does something improper causing an accident with the drunk driver and caused their own death or occupant. The drunk driver will still get an unintentional homicide every time.
Now replace dui with rioting/trespassing/breaking curfew or whatever and you have the same situation.
The case won’t be over self defense, it will be over his right to be there in the first place as it is a result of the deaths.
Unfortunately morally right isn’t always legally right.
That's wrong. Laws normally stand on their own merits and self-defense is no exception. Self-defense stands on it's own merits regardless of other infractions including even whether he legally had the right to have the gun in that situation. Good explanation here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE&t=200s
The beauty of the internet is we can get the truth from each other, we don't need these media and political gatekeepers. People everywhere can freely exchange their ideas and we can judge for ourselves. That the Left feels a need to censor because they think elections are being interfered with via Fake News only says one thing about what they think about society: they think that people are stupid and incapable of discernment. It's totally unfair.
Many people now have been rendered incapable of discernment by schools and social media censoring. Here in the Bay, you wouldn’t believe the stupid shit you hear people believe about the news. Basically everything you’ve ever heard CNN say is taken as gospel x 100. Was talking to a client the other day that started going off on the Blake shooting, the guy that was running away from the cops and then to his car. Lady I was talking to started jumping up and down saying “we deserve this, these fucking crackers keep shooting innocent black people, we fucking deserve this, these fucking crackers!!!” Damn near frothing at the mouth, then going on to call people hicks and rednecks and what not. Keep in mind she herself is an older white lady that’s overweight, and looks like the stereotype of a crazy redneck lady. You could put her in any one of these towns and she’d look like you were making fun of the people that lived there.
Since it was a work situation I wasn’t about to stir shit up, but I did say that “you saw a short video a few seconds long. The guy had a long criminal history, the cops were called there to arrest him, he started flailing around resisting arrest as everyone kept telling him not to including his family, he was mostly likely armed, and he wasn’t exactly reaching into his car to drive away, he was going for something.” She kept saying they should have tased him or used rubber bullets then. I said they probably tried that already, and if they didn’t, it’s not like all cops are covered in tasers and bean bag guns and what not. Most police departments don’t make much anyway. Low and behold, time goes on and we find they already had tried to tase him, etc.
I didn’t say it at the time, but I felt like saying “if I was a cop and some crazy asshole that was about to go away for a long time started reaching abruptly into his car and ignoring our orders after he’d just tried to attack us, I’d have unloaded on him too. Was he reaching in there for a birthday present? I doubt it.” She kept saying they should have been trained better and not shot him so many times. All I thought was “that’s what they’re trained to do. You keep shooting until the threat is eliminated. If more cops are around, they all jump in to help. Everybody shoots until somebody drops.” If you’re afraid of him dying, it’s not like he’s going to be rendered ‘more dead’ if he’s been shot 3+ times with a 45 near the center of mass. He was lucky to be alive at all in this case.
My boss had an opinion formulated without seeing the video. I told him it was completely justified. He said "but they shot him in the back???" I said ya, because he turned around to grab something out of his car despite being told to put his hands up.
He said "but 4 times?" Or whoever many.
I said "it doesn't take that long to fire off 7 rounds. That's how many it took to stop him."
“It doesn't matter if the hoax is meant to tell a big lie to the public, trying to implant a small idea inside a larger message, or attempting to fit developing events into an existing narrative; these tactics can be observed.
These techniques apply regardless of whether a vast network works together to execute a well-planned-out long disinformation campaign, or a small group hastily assembles a reactionary counter-message to achieve a tacit goal, cover up a crime, or simply delay public awareness by a few weeks.
Every hoax will share many of these common characteristics, be it designed for the whole world to believe, directed at thought leaders to manipulate decisions, laid out to cover-up events from history, piggybacking on a real event, or even targeted at only a small audience.”
The charging document says that both Rosenbaum and Huber tried to take the rifle from him. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you have a requirement to give your weapon to someone just because they want to take it from you.
McGinnis stated that before the defendant reached the parking lot and ran across it, the defendant had moved from the middle of Sheridan Road to the sidewalk and that is when McGinnis saw a male (Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. McGinnis stated that as the defendant was walking Rosenbaum was trying to get closer to the defendant. When Rosenbaum advanced, the defendant did a “juke” move and started running. McGinnis stated that there were other people that were moving very quickly. McGinnis stated that they were moving towards the defendant. McGinnis said that according to what he saw the defendant was trying to evade these individuals.
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McGinnis stated that the first round went into the ground and when the second shot went off, the defendant actually had the gun aimed at Rosenbaum. McGinnis stated he did not hear the two exchange any words. McGinnis said that the unarmed guy (Rosenbaum) was trying to get the defendant’s gun. McGinnis demonstrated by extending both of his hands in a quick grabbing motion and did that as a visual on how Rosenbaum tried to reach for the defendant’s gun. Detective Cepress indicates that he asked McGinnis if Rosenbaum had his hands on the gun when the defendant shot. McGinnis said that he definitely made a motion that he was trying to grab the barrel of the gun. McGinnis stated that the defendant pulled it away and then raised it. McGinnis stated that right as they came together, the defendant fired. McGinnis said that when Rosenbaum was shot, he had leaned in (towards the defendant).
This case is going to drag out forever, isn't it? This whole situation is terrible. I mean, he most definitely acted in self-defense, but he never should have been there in the first place, in my opinion, because there never should have been a riot/protest in the first place. That his victims are all convicted felons tells you about the nature of the people attending night-time riots, looting, etc.
There are so many people in their twenties and thirties who are looking to destroy things and "fight back" against this ill-defined "system" that "oppresses them", a system they don't actually understand, the one that literally won't allow people to commit crime and do whatever they want - that's all they know about it. And that's an injustice to them! What do you mean I can't cut corners and cheat and break the rules and look out for just me? And it's all races of people guilty of this. It's thousands of people who are opportunistically taking advantage of the situation because they think they feel wronged, because they never really learned right from wrong - they only want to "get theirs". Instant gratification.
I blame a half-century of no-fault divorce and absentee fathers and a 21st century social-media Zeitgeist carefully crafted by equally aggrieved Feminists (albeit mostly male feminist Hollywood writers and porn peddlers). And Progressives are enabling the "instant gratification" addicts, thinking that is the solution to these ills, to lessen the law, all for votes! Less jail time, less charging with crimes, more safe places to do drugs, less police funding... This will only create MORE (or genuine) systemic racism, if that's really a thing, because it will adversely impact poorer communities, many of which are African American.
Trump is like the last real, stoic leader. Most of society is too afraid to say what is right anymore. They confuse appeasement with peace. What did Chuck Palahniak call it? "A generation of men raised by women." This is not to say there are not great single mothers who are doing the right things, that's not what Chuck meant. He was encapsulating the primary problem with this generation, a lack of strong male role models in homes to guide and teach the masculine qualities that instill fear of God and fear of doing wrong.
But yeah, as for the kid, it's tragic. His life as he knew it is over, and will only get worse when he walks free. He'll need protection his whole life, I would think, or have to go in to hiding. I mean, he likely made a poor choice to even go to Kenosha but I understand why he did and don't fault anyone for doing so as long as it doesn't escalate in to real violence. Unfortunately, they chased him and they escalated it. So sad. But yeah, violence begets violence. None of this ever should have happened. We need Jesus to come back. I pray he does soon.
My impression from the videos is the shooter, as he was running away from Rosenbaum, fell or was otherwise trapped between the cars, and Rosenbaum perhaps made a move for the gun or for the kid, which might explain the gunshot wound to the hand. It happens so fast and it's so dark and small in the image. But, you can hear 4-5 shots in the videos which explain the other wounds, I think, but I would have to go back and watch it.
I am trying to decipher the media and the left's impression that the shooter murdered these people as though he was walking around randomly shooting people. Just watch the video. In every instance he is clearly being chased. If I am carrying a gun and I am then being chased by someone, and I then become trapped or fall down or whatever it may be, or the person chasing me catches up to me, would I not be in my right, fearing for my life, to use my gun on the person chasing me?
Coworker on Facebook is sharing the CNN story from skaterboi’s GF that he was out protecting people. Must have seen a different video than me
I’m protecting society by beating this 17 year old with my skateboard!
Well the world is a better place today because of his contributions that night.
Frankly i’m surprised (and glad) that there hasn’t been a Bon Jovi “straight to the heart“ reference.
you give Marx a baaad name
Its actually "shot through the heart" which makes it even better haha
Those references already hit several times shortly after the video dropped of the shooting
My buddies gf believes the propaganda that he was out clapping people despite him showing her the compilation video I sent him. Yuri Bezmanov is right. You can show them irrefutable evidence to their face and they will deny it.
Yeah he does. Im a bachelor so I'll pump and dump a lefty broad but never date one.
Edit: ok fellas, I get it. You disapprove of banging leftists for a host of reasons. I hear ya.
It is not possible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
GoFundMe's offical twitter account tweeted skaterboy's GoFundMe, calling him a fucking hero in the tweet. Fuck GoFundMe. They also took down Kyle's GoFundMe
"skateboard makes contact with the defendant's left shoulder" says CNN.
He was trying to brain him and remove his rifle- center mass shot and he is taking a dirt nap.
You mean they must of read the fake news headline
Not only was he being pursued, while he was retreating from an area where he had witnessed violent felonies and criminal looting taking place, he heard a gunshot near and in his direction, (fired into the air according to the NYT), and then observed a previously encountered raging racist lunatic charging him at full attack speed.
An eyewitness described seeing the attacker try to take the gun, but it’s unclear at what point that occurred during this event.
And there is no “impression” that the media are under — they can see the same videos plain as day. They are purposefully lying and even editing footage to falsely smear Kyle; purposefully inciting violence using propaganda and censorship, despite utilizing government-enabled monopoly access to airwaves, internet infrastructure, ‘intellectual property’, and speech protections.
Yeah, the way normal assault laws work, if someone is retreating, anyone who attacks them becomes the aggressor and they're allowed to defend themselves.
I don't claim to know the specific laws in play here, but from the evidence I've seen, he has a good claim for self-defense and possibly a few libel lawsuits against the media afterward if they don't update their coverage with facts.
NJ?
I honestly think that being shot at (the rioters shot first) and surrounded with nowhere to go rightfully counts, but we'll see who they get on the jury pool.
Kyle was already retreating. He was on the ground and surrounded.
What's the law in in Wisconsin? Is it the same - maybe the kid perceived he was trapped if there were people coming after him from the other side of the cars, or his "flight" adrenaline sort of kicked over to "fight" by the point he reached the car (like he was out of breath of something).
Need to prove "actual malice" if someone becomes a "public figure".
Nick Sandmann didn't put himself into the news in any way, shape, or form, so he was able to avoid having to prove the "actual malice" standard. Reporting on a triple shooting is newsworthy, so the media gets protected by the higher standard.
Seriously fuck the Supreme Court for its "NY Times v. Sullivan" decision and its sequels. There was absolutely no basis in law or custom for it, it was pure legislating-from-the-bench.
Well, the fix there would be to send them proof their statements were false and demand a retraction. I believe that's the normal first step before filing defamation claims anyhow.
I hadn't thought about the libel lawsuits... I wonder if that's why Sandman's lawyer jumped on this case so fast? This kid could be set for life
I don’t think the issue or charges have to do with him killing in self defense. It’s that it was a riot zone and he shouldn’t have been there. Thus his self defense isn’t a defense anymore.
A common similar situation is a drunk driver (slightly over the limit) is driving properly and a sober driver/pedestrian/biker/etc does something improper causing an accident with the drunk driver and caused their own death or occupant. The drunk driver will still get an unintentional homicide every time.
Now replace dui with rioting/trespassing/breaking curfew or whatever and you have the same situation.
The case won’t be over self defense, it will be over his right to be there in the first place as it is a result of the deaths.
Unfortunately morally right isn’t always legally right.
By the same logic, the dead guys were there illegally since they were breaking curfew. They don’t get the same protection under the law right?
Well I guess morally we should break him out of jail then!
That's wrong. Laws normally stand on their own merits and self-defense is no exception. Self-defense stands on it's own merits regardless of other infractions including even whether he legally had the right to have the gun in that situation. Good explanation here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE&t=200s
The beauty of the internet is we can get the truth from each other, we don't need these media and political gatekeepers. People everywhere can freely exchange their ideas and we can judge for ourselves. That the Left feels a need to censor because they think elections are being interfered with via Fake News only says one thing about what they think about society: they think that people are stupid and incapable of discernment. It's totally unfair.
Many people now have been rendered incapable of discernment by schools and social media censoring. Here in the Bay, you wouldn’t believe the stupid shit you hear people believe about the news. Basically everything you’ve ever heard CNN say is taken as gospel x 100. Was talking to a client the other day that started going off on the Blake shooting, the guy that was running away from the cops and then to his car. Lady I was talking to started jumping up and down saying “we deserve this, these fucking crackers keep shooting innocent black people, we fucking deserve this, these fucking crackers!!!” Damn near frothing at the mouth, then going on to call people hicks and rednecks and what not. Keep in mind she herself is an older white lady that’s overweight, and looks like the stereotype of a crazy redneck lady. You could put her in any one of these towns and she’d look like you were making fun of the people that lived there.
Since it was a work situation I wasn’t about to stir shit up, but I did say that “you saw a short video a few seconds long. The guy had a long criminal history, the cops were called there to arrest him, he started flailing around resisting arrest as everyone kept telling him not to including his family, he was mostly likely armed, and he wasn’t exactly reaching into his car to drive away, he was going for something.” She kept saying they should have tased him or used rubber bullets then. I said they probably tried that already, and if they didn’t, it’s not like all cops are covered in tasers and bean bag guns and what not. Most police departments don’t make much anyway. Low and behold, time goes on and we find they already had tried to tase him, etc.
I didn’t say it at the time, but I felt like saying “if I was a cop and some crazy asshole that was about to go away for a long time started reaching abruptly into his car and ignoring our orders after he’d just tried to attack us, I’d have unloaded on him too. Was he reaching in there for a birthday present? I doubt it.” She kept saying they should have been trained better and not shot him so many times. All I thought was “that’s what they’re trained to do. You keep shooting until the threat is eliminated. If more cops are around, they all jump in to help. Everybody shoots until somebody drops.” If you’re afraid of him dying, it’s not like he’s going to be rendered ‘more dead’ if he’s been shot 3+ times with a 45 near the center of mass. He was lucky to be alive at all in this case.
My boss had an opinion formulated without seeing the video. I told him it was completely justified. He said "but they shot him in the back???" I said ya, because he turned around to grab something out of his car despite being told to put his hands up. He said "but 4 times?" Or whoever many. I said "it doesn't take that long to fire off 7 rounds. That's how many it took to stop him."
He shrugged and said "we need better guns."
Lol
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Sandmann all over again!!!!!
“It doesn't matter if the hoax is meant to tell a big lie to the public, trying to implant a small idea inside a larger message, or attempting to fit developing events into an existing narrative; these tactics can be observed.
These techniques apply regardless of whether a vast network works together to execute a well-planned-out long disinformation campaign, or a small group hastily assembles a reactionary counter-message to achieve a tacit goal, cover up a crime, or simply delay public awareness by a few weeks.
Every hoax will share many of these common characteristics, be it designed for the whole world to believe, directed at thought leaders to manipulate decisions, laid out to cover-up events from history, piggybacking on a real event, or even targeted at only a small audience.”
https://thedonald.win/p/FfWJSZu7/a-thedonaldwin-exclusive--anatom/c/
That second one has been the go-to in a lot of these situations.
"Hands up, don't shoot".
The charging document says that both Rosenbaum and Huber tried to take the rifle from him. I'm no lawyer, but I don't think you have a requirement to give your weapon to someone just because they want to take it from you.
Socialism I guess. It's OUR rifle?!?!
Especially when they're all felons and shouldn't be in possession of a weapon.
Makes sense.
In the charges, Rosenbaum went for the gun multiple times. Kyle was trying to evade them.
https://imgur.com/a/e9asRGE
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Thanks, I had not seen the actual complaint. This really clears it up. What jury is going to find this kid guilty?
A carefully chosen one
This case is going to drag out forever, isn't it? This whole situation is terrible. I mean, he most definitely acted in self-defense, but he never should have been there in the first place, in my opinion, because there never should have been a riot/protest in the first place. That his victims are all convicted felons tells you about the nature of the people attending night-time riots, looting, etc.
There are so many people in their twenties and thirties who are looking to destroy things and "fight back" against this ill-defined "system" that "oppresses them", a system they don't actually understand, the one that literally won't allow people to commit crime and do whatever they want - that's all they know about it. And that's an injustice to them! What do you mean I can't cut corners and cheat and break the rules and look out for just me? And it's all races of people guilty of this. It's thousands of people who are opportunistically taking advantage of the situation because they think they feel wronged, because they never really learned right from wrong - they only want to "get theirs". Instant gratification.
I blame a half-century of no-fault divorce and absentee fathers and a 21st century social-media Zeitgeist carefully crafted by equally aggrieved Feminists (albeit mostly male feminist Hollywood writers and porn peddlers). And Progressives are enabling the "instant gratification" addicts, thinking that is the solution to these ills, to lessen the law, all for votes! Less jail time, less charging with crimes, more safe places to do drugs, less police funding... This will only create MORE (or genuine) systemic racism, if that's really a thing, because it will adversely impact poorer communities, many of which are African American.
Trump is like the last real, stoic leader. Most of society is too afraid to say what is right anymore. They confuse appeasement with peace. What did Chuck Palahniak call it? "A generation of men raised by women." This is not to say there are not great single mothers who are doing the right things, that's not what Chuck meant. He was encapsulating the primary problem with this generation, a lack of strong male role models in homes to guide and teach the masculine qualities that instill fear of God and fear of doing wrong.
But yeah, as for the kid, it's tragic. His life as he knew it is over, and will only get worse when he walks free. He'll need protection his whole life, I would think, or have to go in to hiding. I mean, he likely made a poor choice to even go to Kenosha but I understand why he did and don't fault anyone for doing so as long as it doesn't escalate in to real violence. Unfortunately, they chased him and they escalated it. So sad. But yeah, violence begets violence. None of this ever should have happened. We need Jesus to come back. I pray he does soon.
Shadownet was designed for this.
It’s like the movie Runaway Jury but the cucked liberal protagonists are really the villians
Obama: "Make sure we get the right people on this."
A jury of his intersectional transgender tenderqueer non-binary gay Muslim illegal immigrant peers.
A jury of his intersectional transgender tenderqueer non-binary gay Muslim illegal immigrant peers.
What about the Molotov cocktail seen clearly being lobbed at Kyle in the video?
it was a plastic bag with some object inside of it
A 35 year old convicted pedophile chases after a 17 year old.
In a state where the age of consent is 18.
Sex crime is not the issue CNN gonna push this election, I take it?