Doesn't matter. When have these people ever done anything based off reasoning? That's not their goal. Their goal is to start a race war and cause mayhem.
No knock warrants are a horrible travesty. They fly in the face of the 4th Amendment. You need only read about Kathryn Johnston to understand why they need to end, now.
Elaborate, sure why not. We're currently dealing with a hyper libertarianism disguised as marxism.
Starting in the 90s Democrats aligned themselves with large businesses, selling out their previous base of unions and workers.
Short list of evidence: NAFTA (Clinton); repealing Glass-Steagall (Clinton); removal of barriers for China's entry to the WTO (Clinton); Allowing China to enter the WTO (Bush) ACA individual mandate (Obama). Almost all "left wing" policies result in barriers for entry as competition for large corporations (environmental regs, unrestrained immigration/work visas, and things like Fight for $15, etc.).
Speaking of immigration, and visas, even feminism was crafted to entice women to enter the work force to drive down wages. If you're a libertarian you should be pretty happy right now. The free market is working pretty much unregulated by government, and instead the businesses are regulating to their benefit.
Since debating never changes any minds, I'll stop here and not expand further. But leftism is libertarian at it's core.
Yea, it's like that comic of "Trump's destroying America - fuck it, I'll do it myself!"
They never even listened to us. They never cared. They knew we were right, but all they cared about was FEAR. They fear someone, and if they don't succeed, BAD THINGS will happen!
Fuckin' I hate fear controlled pussies. Ever notice, the more scared someone is, the more they make mistakes? Mess up?
Its like the bolshevik revolution, they took over houses and broke the plumbing washing their boots in the potty because they never seen a toilet. Then they melted all the dentists to try to get their gold.
Toy soldiers. Wound up and turned loose. Toy solder gets arrested or worse? No big deal, plenty more are being wound up to replace them. You'll never collect all the toy soldiers.
The only effective tactic is to identify parties winding up toy soldiers and use enough effort to convince them that's not delivering what they want.
They actually don't give two shits about Breonna Taylor, George Floyd or any other manufactured outrage case. They are really only interested in revolutionary Marxism and therefore will destroy anyone who gets in the way of that end.
A no-knock raid didn’t kill Breonna Taylor, because witnesses all said police knocked and identified themselves.
George Floyd also wasn’t killed by a knee to his neck, according to his autopsy. In fact his neck showed no markings at all.
Yet laws are now being written, or rules being changed, to eliminate both, when neither contributed to the original problem. Soon all cops will be able to do is either shoot suspects or let them go.
Just to add, she also had a rental car used in her name that was discovered with a corpse in the trunk. She claims she let another of her drug dealer ex boyfriends use the car
Elijah McCain is really the guy who should have been the face of BLM, but he was killed before election year, so of course BLM had no reason to pop up
BLM shouldn’t exist.don't give them validity or ideas .Lot of whites are killed by police incompetence and Nobody is marching for them.
I don’t know why Whites are so altruistic.
Here's the way I've summed up her death: Did she NEED to die? No. But is the world better without her in it? A little. Just like with Treyvon Martin, Michael Brown, and about 99.9% of all BLM's martyrs. Did any of them 100% without a shadow of a doubt need to die? Not exactly. But were their deaths huge blows to society and humanity as a whole? Not in the slightest.
I'm not arguing one way or the other about the facts surrounding Breonna Taylor's actions, but I 100% don't believe the police announced themselves. Considering the insane amount of negative press surrounding this whole situation, if they actually did announce themselves prior to entry, the public would know by now. Any chance the state could have taken to save face would have already been exercised, they fucked up big time and they know it.
No-knock warrants are bullshit, government actors shouldn't be surprising citizens in the middle of the night unannounced.
No-knock warrants are bullshit, government actors shouldn't be surprising citizens in the middle of the night unannounced.
No, they aren't. It depends on the operation. Originally used to catch felons who had eyes on 24/7 and would raise an alarm,or they would destroy evidence.
No-knock means capture them without causing an alert,with all the evidence intact.
No-knock would also be used on hardcore jihadiat cells. Warning them means they use vests or IEDs and cause mass casualties.
No wonder every single person that Kyle shot was a heinous criminal. They’re literally trying to change the laws of the land to accommodate their criminal behavior by force. This is the very definition of terrorism.
No knock raids and warrants are how they rescue children and adults being trafficked and seize evidence of child porn before is is deleted or burned.
No knock warrants for drug production, distribution, and sales related charges or other non-eminently-violent incidents is a different conversation than the application of no knock warrants as a whole.
Gun laws are already unconstitutional, as are red flag laws. The existence of no knock warrants is secondary to the fact they they are being used to enforce other unconstitutional laws.
Thank you.most people here are using libertarian bullshit logic here.every law has potential to be abused and used to produce great results.
I am in favor of no-knock warrants for some situations.
There are always pros and cons. Patriot Act has pros and cons. Do you think the Patriot Act should be continued? Patriot Act violated the 4th Amendment. The same goes for no-knock raids.
Exactly. the main outcome from mis-identifying the cause of a problem is this: the solutions will always be wrong, therefore the problem will always exist. Which is what the Left actually wants. The Left doesn't care about Black Lives, if they did, they'd propose rational solutions. They care about Black votes, and there's a difference between the two.
Message to Rand: They don't give a shit. They want you dead because you're not "woke" enough for them.
The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can work to eliminate the real problem... the asshats who propagandized them into this state of mindless perma-rage.
For those that don't understand how a self-respecting Trump supporter can support the end of no-knock raids / SWAT raids on drug offenders; behold a smattering of the "collateral damage" in the war on drugs. There's plenty of room for police reform, especially when it comes to SWAT raids and the war on drugs, and I totally support Rand on this:
Jose Guerena, a 26-year-old Marine and Iraq war veteran, was killed May 5 when a SWAT team broke into his home a little after 9:30 a.m. According to Guerena’s wife, Vanessa (who was home at he time, along with their 4-year-old son), Guerena thought the police were home invaders. He ushered his family into a closet, then grabbed a rifle. When the police battered down the door, they saw Guerena and his rifle, and opened fire. The SWAT team released 70 rounds. Guerena didn’t fire a shot; the safety of his rifle was still on. Guerena’s wife called 911 to request medical assistance for her husband shortly after the shooting. Paramedics, however, were instructed to hold back. Guerena was denied attention, for about one hour, until the team declared the “area secured”. Ambulance crews were then notified they were no longer needed, one hour and fourteen minutes after Guerena’s wife’s call to 911.
In June 1988, police in Plaquemines Parish, Louisiana conduct a 2 a.m. raid on the home of Glen Williamson. When Williamson points out that the name on the warrant reads "Glen Williams," the deputy merely adds an "on" to the end of the last name, and arrests him anyway. Williamson spends a night in jail before police concede their mistake and release him. Source: John Dentinger, "Narc, narc; diary of police raids on the wrong house," Playboy, April 1990, p. 49.
On August 14, 2002, police in La Porte, Texas stormed the home of 88-year-old Irene Gilliam Hensley on a paramilitary raid after a tip that her grandson Charles Gilliam was growing marijuana in her backyard. The tip came from an aunt who had had an argument with Mr. Gilliam, and police decided to raid after an officer peeked over Hensley's fence and confirmed the presence of illegal plants. According to the Houston Chronicle, the warrant specifically stated that the officer who peeked over the fence had experience identifying marijuana plants. The plants turned out to be okra. Police found no drugs in the home. Source: Robert Crowe, "A real-life melodrama in La Porte; Mistaking okra plants for marijuana leads to internal affairs investigation," Houston Chronicle, October 3, 2002, This Week, p. 1.
84-year-old Annie Rae Dixon, a bedridden paraplegic, is shot and killed after police officers from the nearby town of Kilgore break into her Tyler, Texas home. They have the wrong address. Police later say one raiding officer's weapon "accidentally" discharged, firing the bullet that struck and killed Dixon. A jury would later acquit the raiding officers of any wrongdoing.
In March 1989, police in Gardena, California conduct a no-knock raid on the home of Lorine Harris. Police officer Davie Mathieson, apparently startled by the flashbang grenade deployed by his fellow officers, accidentally fires his gun, striking and killing Harris's 20-year old son, Dexter Herbert. Herbert is unarmed.
On March 26, 1987, police in Jeffersontown, Kentucky raid the home of Jeffrey Miles, 24 on an informant's tip. During the raid, Officer John Rucker shoots Miles, and kills him. Police would later discover that Miles wasn't a suspect. The raid had been targeted at the wrong home.
Police executed a search on the home of Mertilla Jones in pursuit of a homicide suspect. A flash grenade was thrown into the home, reportedly landing on Mertilla's 7 year old granddaughter, Aiyana. What happened next is disputed. According to police, they entered the premises and announced their presence. Mertilla struggled with the police and one of their weapons discharged. The shot fatally wounded Aiyana who died at the scene. According to the Jones family lawyer, one of the officers fired into the home from the porch prior to any struggle with Mertilla, who struggled in shock at seeing her granddaughter murdered. The incident was filmed by a television crew but the tape was confiscated by the police. The Jones' attorney claims to have seen a copy of the tape and that it supports his version of the events.
Williams, a 75-year-old retired minister, dies of a heart attack after 13 members of a heavily-armed Boston SWAT team storm his apartment in body armor and black masks. One police source tells the Boston Herald of the raid, "Everything was done right, except it was the wrong apartment." Police later discover that an informant had given them incorrect information that a "Jamaican drug posse operated out of the building," and failed to specify which apartment to target. A week after the raid, media investigators discovered that three of the officers involved had been accused in a 1989 civil rights suit of using nonexistent informants to secure drug warrants. The suit resulted in a $50,000 settlement from the city of Boston and one witness testified that an officer apologized after realizing the mistake, telling its occupants, "this happens all the time."
Date: Mar 25, 1994
On April 19, 2002, police prepare to conduct a heavily-armed late-night drug raid (it includes a helicopter) on a home in Bellport, New York. As four paramilitary unit officers rush across the front lawn, 19 year-old Jose Colon emerges from the targeted house. According to the police account of the raid, as officers approach, one of them trips over a tree root, then falls forward, into the lead officer, causing his gun to accidentally discharge three times. One of the three bullets hits Colon in the side of the head, killing him. Police say they screamed at Colon to "get down" as they approached, though two witnesses told a local newscast that, (a) their screams were inaudible over the sound of the helicopter, and (b) the officers appeared to be frozen before the shooting -- no one tripped. One of the witnesses later recanted his story after speaking with police. Colon was never suspected of buying or selling drugs. Police proceeded with the raid, and seized eight ounces of marijuana. A subsequent investigation found no criminal wrongdoing on the part of police. The family of Colon -- who had no criminal record and was months away from becoming the first member of his family to earn a bachelor's degree -- is pursuing a lawsuit.
After a tip from an informant stating that he was selling drugs from his home, a Miami SWAT team bursts into the home of 73-year-old retired salesman Richard Brown, and immediately begins firing. By the end of the raid, they'd pumped 123 rounds into Brown and his apartment, killing him at the scene. Brown's 14-year-old great-granddaughter was also home at the time of the raid, and cowered in the bathroom during the gunfire. Police found no drugs in Brown's home. The city of Miami would later pay a $2.5 million settlement to Brown's estate after officers on the raiding SWAT team were indicted for lying about the details of the raid. Former Miami Internal Affairs supervisor and 25-year police veteran John Dalton, now retired, told the Miami Herald that the Internal Affairs supervisor at the time of the raid, William O'Brien, discouraged a thorough investigation of the Brown case. "They were very defensive about this shooting from the beginning," Dalton said, adding that he'd been "chewed out" by O'Brien for asking difficult questions.
Date: Mar 12, 1996
In December 1998, police in Richmond, Virginia conduct a paramilitary drug raid on an apartment suspected of drug activity. During the raid, Sgt. George Ingram fires a "breaching round" shotgun shell -- intended to blow the locks off of doors -- into the door leading to the apartment's kitchen. Ingram fires five rounds, one of which goes through the door and strikes 18-year-old Christie Green in the chest. Green later dies from her injuries. Green didn't live at the apartment, and police concede they had no reason to believe she was involved in any drug activity, nor that she knew any was going on in the apartment.
Kathryn Johnston was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman who was killed by undercover police officers in her home on Neal Street in northwest Atlanta on November 21, 2006, where she had lived for 17 years. Three officers had entered her home in what was later described as a 'botched' drug raid. Officers cut off burglar bars and broke down her door using a no-knock warrant. Police said Johnston fired at them and they fired in response; she fired one shot out the door over the officers' heads and they fired 39 shots, five or six of which hit her. None of the officers were injured by her gunfire, but Johnston was killed by the officers. Police injuries were later attributed to friendly fire from each other's weapons.
One of the officers planted marijuana in Johnston's house after the shooting. Later investigations found that the paperwork stating that drugs were present at Johnston's house, which had been the basis for the raid, had been falsified. The officers later admitted to having lied when they submitted cocaine as evidence claiming that they had bought it at Johnston's house. Three officers were tried for manslaughter and other charges surrounding falsification and were sentenced to ten, six, and five years.
Bounkham Phonsavanh - On May 27, 2014, in Cornelia, Georgia, a police informant alleged that he had bought $50 of methamphetamine from Wanis Thonetheva, a 30-year-old dealer at a residence belonging to Amanda Thonetheva, his mother. The dealer did not reside at the house, which contained no drugs or weapons, though a family with four young children lived in the house.
Police executed a no-knock raid at 2:25 am on May 28, with a SWAT team breaching a door with a ram and throwing a flash-bang stun grenade into a room containing a 19-month-old child. The grenade exploded inside the infant's playpen, igniting the playpen and his pillow, causing "blast burn injuries to the face and chest; a complex laceration of the nose, upper lip and face; 20% of the right upper lip missing; the external nose being separated from the underlying bone; and a large avulsion burn injury to the chest with a resulting left pulmonary contusion and sepsis".
Thanks for going through the trouble of typing this all up. No knock raids need to go the way of the dinosaur. There are plenty of sound tactics to apprehend criminals that can be utilized in lieu of no knock raids. No knock raids are lazy policework.
I'm not disagreeing, I just want sources/police reports/adjudications before I believe anything someone on the internet emotionally types out as their own recollection of stories and events using "selective quotes" and omitting all links to any source material. Can you provide this for each of those bullet points??
Listen mate, you can’t really support the second amendment as protection against a tyrannical govt and then turn around and say the govt main enforcement body can’t be tyrannical or make mistakes.
It makes sense to curtail the govt main body for violence in various aspects. Banning no knock raids is one, as it is extremely dangerous for all involved. Whereas hitting them as they leave or in traffic or wherever else that they’re not holed up with arms and cover.
If you are stupid enough to help communism come about you are too stupid to leave around afterwards. BLM and Pro-Fa aren't going to enjoy either ending to the situation they've created. They're either charged with domestic terrorism when Trump wins or they're lined up and shot if the commies somehow manage to succeed and take over.
That's because Paul is one of a handful of conservatives in a sea of communists and/or uniparty grifters. His colleagues, including the GOP, are literally the problem.
News flash folks, they don’t actually care about breona Taylor. They just see her as an excuse to justify their hate. They are just hateful people that can’t be pleased. They don’t want anything but for YOU to submit to agenda which is an evil, satanic ideology.
The Judges can't even verify the sources and intel with other agencies. It is like the script of Training Day the movie. Detectives rule the streets and Judges cower in fear of retribution from the police and government employee unions.
I like Rand. But sometimes he seems so completely out of touch and lack even a modicum of common sense.
Yeah, the BLM mob will definitely listen to you, Rand. Because they are all about the following the law and listening to reasoned arguments. They definitely won't attack you on the streets or shout you down.
There is obvious irony that they don't know, but also that he should know better. They don't care what you are doing. You are just another white guy to them, and perhaps your efforts are are also misguided.
I agree with criminal justice reform. I may not agree it's racist or why it needs reform, but I do agree with a lot of their aims. Decriminalize marijuana, revamp how we handle non-violent crimes. I do think sometimes cops are assholes. I do think that anything not explicitly deemed unconstitutional is considered an allowed investigative technique is some B.S.
I'm definitely willing to discuss some changes.
But they're doing their damnedest to remind me that I sure as hell don't want the cops defanged or defunded when a non-victimless crime is going down.
I don't want no-knock warrants, but I also don't want kids like Kyle to feel like they have to go out into known danger because the cops won't or can't.
What was that quote from Aragorn in LOTR? "They do not come to destroy Rohan's crops or villages. They come to destroy its people. Down to the last child."
Lets stop with the narrative that they are out there protesting something Mr. Paul, they are out their to destroy America's people.
Yes they knocked. The point of contention is if they identified themselves as police (they say they did) or not (the upstairs neighbor and boyfriend say they didn’t, though the boyfriend also said “if they did we wouldn’t have been able to hear”).
Has an autopsy report for Breonna been released publicly yet? I'd be curious to see the location of the 8 bullet wounds, that she sustained and if they truly match the narrative that she was sleeping in bed and got hit in the crossfire.
They hate libertarians because they are the only ones willing to take down the weaponized government. Many (most?) conservatives see leftists argue against government and respond by asking for more government.
We can see some examples in this thread with people (Anaconda alts perhaps) defending no-knock raids. I also know of users who support red flag laws and want Kyle to get locked up.
Hmmm 🤔 the announced seating was 1000 plus all campaign staff plus all the regulars WH support etc etc ...........
I know it is a stretch but I believe Pres. Trump let a few guest experience the rioters venom ?
msm can’t ignore rioters today
Even with policy change the radical left won’t be satisfied. It’s clear their end goal here is total abolition of the police force. They want to be judge, jury, and executioner only for Republicans
How many times is this guy going to get threats and attempts on his life? I love my senator (Paul). I couldn't be more proud of having had voted in President Trump and senator Paul!!
As if they'd care. They don't care about black lives, and they don't care about no knock raids. How is it not obvious that these looters arsonists moblings do not have any care for improving the world for other people? They're driven by nothing more than envy and hatred, and want only to burn down and destroy anything that isn't theirs.
Exactly. So no more concessions. No more appeasement. The retards on the left live in a TOTAL fucking echo chamber. They'll never hear about it and even if they did they wouldn't care.
What did you learn Rand Paul? I think your authentic- a great guy and great American. But you and the rest of the GOP is playing defense instead of offense. It you fail it's because while America burns you guys are doing next to nothing to support conservatives. Throwing us the occasional bone- not good enough.We need the GOP to start taking the offense and at least fight the liberals who are burning down America. My God- Stop whining and start fighting.
Maybe don’t worry about the stuff that primarily affects criminals and their associates so much. Maybe work harder at protecting truly law abiding people, like the millions of us that have had all our rights stripped away cuz corona. The street trash doesn’t need you. And we don’t need or want them. “Say her name!” Ok, garbage drug whale.
There’s no fucking reason to get rid of no knock warrants in all situations. Officers put their lives on the line in all searches, but especially in those which meet the requirements for these types of warrants. Getting rid of this will only put more officers in danger, which will then lead to more violence.
We can do all the police and criminal justice reform in the world but as far as the criminals and suspects don’t follow the law or make it hard for law enforcement to do their job, nothing will change in society.
I pity Cops ;they cannot do their jobs effectively because some citizens feel they know the cops job better than cops.
Low information rioters.
Exactly
Doesn't matter. When have these people ever done anything based off reasoning? That's not their goal. Their goal is to start a race war and cause mayhem.
https://thedonald.win/p/GvYPQXSj/rand-paul-was-confused-too/c/
Completely agree.
The only exceptions to that are in cases of exigent circumstances where a warrant(or knock) are not required anyways.
This right here ^
They seem to knock on the wrong door all to often....
I support the cops 100% - BUT - if you go in guns hot - you better damn have the right address.
No knock warrants are a horrible travesty. They fly in the face of the 4th Amendment. You need only read about Kathryn Johnston to understand why they need to end, now.
His name was Duncan Lemp
Even if technically legal they should be ended. I'm not a libertarian either. Libertarians are just as bad a commies.
Please elaborate.
Elaborate, sure why not. We're currently dealing with a hyper libertarianism disguised as marxism. Starting in the 90s Democrats aligned themselves with large businesses, selling out their previous base of unions and workers. Short list of evidence: NAFTA (Clinton); repealing Glass-Steagall (Clinton); removal of barriers for China's entry to the WTO (Clinton); Allowing China to enter the WTO (Bush) ACA individual mandate (Obama). Almost all "left wing" policies result in barriers for entry as competition for large corporations (environmental regs, unrestrained immigration/work visas, and things like Fight for $15, etc.). Speaking of immigration, and visas, even feminism was crafted to entice women to enter the work force to drive down wages. If you're a libertarian you should be pretty happy right now. The free market is working pretty much unregulated by government, and instead the businesses are regulating to their benefit.
Since debating never changes any minds, I'll stop here and not expand further. But leftism is libertarian at it's core.
Low information conservatives.
Yea, it's like that comic of "Trump's destroying America - fuck it, I'll do it myself!"
They never even listened to us. They never cared. They knew we were right, but all they cared about was FEAR. They fear someone, and if they don't succeed, BAD THINGS will happen!
Fuckin' I hate fear controlled pussies. Ever notice, the more scared someone is, the more they make mistakes? Mess up?
Meh.
Its like the bolshevik revolution, they took over houses and broke the plumbing washing their boots in the potty because they never seen a toilet. Then they melted all the dentists to try to get their gold.
Toy soldiers. Wound up and turned loose. Toy solder gets arrested or worse? No big deal, plenty more are being wound up to replace them. You'll never collect all the toy soldiers.
The only effective tactic is to identify parties winding up toy soldiers and use enough effort to convince them that's not delivering what they want.
Low IQ useful idiots
They actually don't give two shits about Breonna Taylor, George Floyd or any other manufactured outrage case. They are really only interested in revolutionary Marxism and therefore will destroy anyone who gets in the way of that end.
Yes, Democrats.
I see a pattern here.
A no-knock raid didn’t kill Breonna Taylor, because witnesses all said police knocked and identified themselves.
George Floyd also wasn’t killed by a knee to his neck, according to his autopsy. In fact his neck showed no markings at all.
Yet laws are now being written, or rules being changed, to eliminate both, when neither contributed to the original problem. Soon all cops will be able to do is either shoot suspects or let them go.
Just to add, she also had a rental car used in her name that was discovered with a corpse in the trunk. She claims she let another of her drug dealer ex boyfriends use the car
Elijah McCain is really the guy who should have been the face of BLM, but he was killed before election year, so of course BLM had no reason to pop up
BLM shouldn’t exist.don't give them validity or ideas .Lot of whites are killed by police incompetence and Nobody is marching for them. I don’t know why Whites are so altruistic.
Like that tactic-cool dbag that killed the guy in the hotel hallway. Dan shaver
"It's my friend's
weeddead body!"Here's the way I've summed up her death: Did she NEED to die? No. But is the world better without her in it? A little. Just like with Treyvon Martin, Michael Brown, and about 99.9% of all BLM's martyrs. Did any of them 100% without a shadow of a doubt need to die? Not exactly. But were their deaths huge blows to society and humanity as a whole? Not in the slightest.
I'm not arguing one way or the other about the facts surrounding Breonna Taylor's actions, but I 100% don't believe the police announced themselves. Considering the insane amount of negative press surrounding this whole situation, if they actually did announce themselves prior to entry, the public would know by now. Any chance the state could have taken to save face would have already been exercised, they fucked up big time and they know it.
No-knock warrants are bullshit, government actors shouldn't be surprising citizens in the middle of the night unannounced.
Sadly, the police also lie.
No, they aren't. It depends on the operation. Originally used to catch felons who had eyes on 24/7 and would raise an alarm,or they would destroy evidence.
No-knock means capture them without causing an alert,with all the evidence intact.
No-knock would also be used on hardcore jihadiat cells. Warning them means they use vests or IEDs and cause mass casualties.
Considering jihadists are former glowies themselves...
Nice try, FBI.
No wonder every single person that Kyle shot was a heinous criminal. They’re literally trying to change the laws of the land to accommodate their criminal behavior by force. This is the very definition of terrorism.
Random bullets into a crowd of BLM will only hit violent criminals. Prove me wrong.
We all know the problem is really Aunt Jemima and Ben rice or something.
If the NBA would just play another game or stop playing I bet the world would heal.
Baltimore Ravens posted something on twitter. That's healing! Racism is solved!
Clown world...
Appeaser laws.
No knock raids are unconstitutional and they should end that shit for good. Im glad Rand is using the zeitgeist to fix that egregious overstep.
No knock raids and warrants are how they rescue children and adults being trafficked and seize evidence of child porn before is is deleted or burned.
No knock warrants for drug production, distribution, and sales related charges or other non-eminently-violent incidents is a different conversation than the application of no knock warrants as a whole.
No knock raids are also what they use to confiscate gun owners guns and often just conveniently off them if they consider them especially problematic.
Gun laws are already unconstitutional, as are red flag laws. The existence of no knock warrants is secondary to the fact they they are being used to enforce other unconstitutional laws.
Thank you.most people here are using libertarian bullshit logic here.every law has potential to be abused and used to produce great results. I am in favor of no-knock warrants for some situations.
There are always pros and cons. Patriot Act has pros and cons. Do you think the Patriot Act should be continued? Patriot Act violated the 4th Amendment. The same goes for no-knock raids.
I dont care. Its also one of the main ways law abiding citizens get killed. These will be used mercilessly with red flag laws.
The ends don’t justify the means. If a maverick chooses to break a law to Do the Right Thing, let a jury of his peers nullify the law.
Exactly. the main outcome from mis-identifying the cause of a problem is this: the solutions will always be wrong, therefore the problem will always exist. Which is what the Left actually wants. The Left doesn't care about Black Lives, if they did, they'd propose rational solutions. They care about Black votes, and there's a difference between the two.
Don't give in and capitalize black
Message to Rand: They don't give a shit. They want you dead because you're not "woke" enough for them.
The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can work to eliminate the real problem... the asshats who propagandized them into this state of mindless perma-rage.
Rand understands that, this is a talking point because he’s on a TV show.
For those that don't understand how a self-respecting Trump supporter can support the end of no-knock raids / SWAT raids on drug offenders; behold a smattering of the "collateral damage" in the war on drugs. There's plenty of room for police reform, especially when it comes to SWAT raids and the war on drugs, and I totally support Rand on this:
Jose Guerena, a 26-year-old Marine and Iraq war veteran, was killed May 5 when a SWAT team broke into his home a little after 9:30 a.m. According to Guerena’s wife, Vanessa (who was home at he time, along with their 4-year-old son), Guerena thought the police were home invaders. He ushered his family into a closet, then grabbed a rifle. When the police battered down the door, they saw Guerena and his rifle, and opened fire. The SWAT team released 70 rounds. Guerena didn’t fire a shot; the safety of his rifle was still on. Guerena’s wife called 911 to request medical assistance for her husband shortly after the shooting. Paramedics, however, were instructed to hold back. Guerena was denied attention, for about one hour, until the team declared the “area secured”. Ambulance crews were then notified they were no longer needed, one hour and fourteen minutes after Guerena’s wife’s call to 911.
In June 1988, police in Plaquemines Parish, Louisiana conduct a 2 a.m. raid on the home of Glen Williamson. When Williamson points out that the name on the warrant reads "Glen Williams," the deputy merely adds an "on" to the end of the last name, and arrests him anyway. Williamson spends a night in jail before police concede their mistake and release him. Source: John Dentinger, "Narc, narc; diary of police raids on the wrong house," Playboy, April 1990, p. 49.
On August 14, 2002, police in La Porte, Texas stormed the home of 88-year-old Irene Gilliam Hensley on a paramilitary raid after a tip that her grandson Charles Gilliam was growing marijuana in her backyard. The tip came from an aunt who had had an argument with Mr. Gilliam, and police decided to raid after an officer peeked over Hensley's fence and confirmed the presence of illegal plants. According to the Houston Chronicle, the warrant specifically stated that the officer who peeked over the fence had experience identifying marijuana plants. The plants turned out to be okra. Police found no drugs in the home. Source: Robert Crowe, "A real-life melodrama in La Porte; Mistaking okra plants for marijuana leads to internal affairs investigation," Houston Chronicle, October 3, 2002, This Week, p. 1.
84-year-old Annie Rae Dixon, a bedridden paraplegic, is shot and killed after police officers from the nearby town of Kilgore break into her Tyler, Texas home. They have the wrong address. Police later say one raiding officer's weapon "accidentally" discharged, firing the bullet that struck and killed Dixon. A jury would later acquit the raiding officers of any wrongdoing.
In March 1989, police in Gardena, California conduct a no-knock raid on the home of Lorine Harris. Police officer Davie Mathieson, apparently startled by the flashbang grenade deployed by his fellow officers, accidentally fires his gun, striking and killing Harris's 20-year old son, Dexter Herbert. Herbert is unarmed.
On March 26, 1987, police in Jeffersontown, Kentucky raid the home of Jeffrey Miles, 24 on an informant's tip. During the raid, Officer John Rucker shoots Miles, and kills him. Police would later discover that Miles wasn't a suspect. The raid had been targeted at the wrong home.
Police executed a search on the home of Mertilla Jones in pursuit of a homicide suspect. A flash grenade was thrown into the home, reportedly landing on Mertilla's 7 year old granddaughter, Aiyana. What happened next is disputed. According to police, they entered the premises and announced their presence. Mertilla struggled with the police and one of their weapons discharged. The shot fatally wounded Aiyana who died at the scene. According to the Jones family lawyer, one of the officers fired into the home from the porch prior to any struggle with Mertilla, who struggled in shock at seeing her granddaughter murdered. The incident was filmed by a television crew but the tape was confiscated by the police. The Jones' attorney claims to have seen a copy of the tape and that it supports his version of the events.
Williams, a 75-year-old retired minister, dies of a heart attack after 13 members of a heavily-armed Boston SWAT team storm his apartment in body armor and black masks. One police source tells the Boston Herald of the raid, "Everything was done right, except it was the wrong apartment." Police later discover that an informant had given them incorrect information that a "Jamaican drug posse operated out of the building," and failed to specify which apartment to target. A week after the raid, media investigators discovered that three of the officers involved had been accused in a 1989 civil rights suit of using nonexistent informants to secure drug warrants. The suit resulted in a $50,000 settlement from the city of Boston and one witness testified that an officer apologized after realizing the mistake, telling its occupants, "this happens all the time." Date: Mar 25, 1994
On April 19, 2002, police prepare to conduct a heavily-armed late-night drug raid (it includes a helicopter) on a home in Bellport, New York. As four paramilitary unit officers rush across the front lawn, 19 year-old Jose Colon emerges from the targeted house. According to the police account of the raid, as officers approach, one of them trips over a tree root, then falls forward, into the lead officer, causing his gun to accidentally discharge three times. One of the three bullets hits Colon in the side of the head, killing him. Police say they screamed at Colon to "get down" as they approached, though two witnesses told a local newscast that, (a) their screams were inaudible over the sound of the helicopter, and (b) the officers appeared to be frozen before the shooting -- no one tripped. One of the witnesses later recanted his story after speaking with police. Colon was never suspected of buying or selling drugs. Police proceeded with the raid, and seized eight ounces of marijuana. A subsequent investigation found no criminal wrongdoing on the part of police. The family of Colon -- who had no criminal record and was months away from becoming the first member of his family to earn a bachelor's degree -- is pursuing a lawsuit.
After a tip from an informant stating that he was selling drugs from his home, a Miami SWAT team bursts into the home of 73-year-old retired salesman Richard Brown, and immediately begins firing. By the end of the raid, they'd pumped 123 rounds into Brown and his apartment, killing him at the scene. Brown's 14-year-old great-granddaughter was also home at the time of the raid, and cowered in the bathroom during the gunfire. Police found no drugs in Brown's home. The city of Miami would later pay a $2.5 million settlement to Brown's estate after officers on the raiding SWAT team were indicted for lying about the details of the raid. Former Miami Internal Affairs supervisor and 25-year police veteran John Dalton, now retired, told the Miami Herald that the Internal Affairs supervisor at the time of the raid, William O'Brien, discouraged a thorough investigation of the Brown case. "They were very defensive about this shooting from the beginning," Dalton said, adding that he'd been "chewed out" by O'Brien for asking difficult questions. Date: Mar 12, 1996
In December 1998, police in Richmond, Virginia conduct a paramilitary drug raid on an apartment suspected of drug activity. During the raid, Sgt. George Ingram fires a "breaching round" shotgun shell -- intended to blow the locks off of doors -- into the door leading to the apartment's kitchen. Ingram fires five rounds, one of which goes through the door and strikes 18-year-old Christie Green in the chest. Green later dies from her injuries. Green didn't live at the apartment, and police concede they had no reason to believe she was involved in any drug activity, nor that she knew any was going on in the apartment.
From Georgia
Kathryn Johnston was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman who was killed by undercover police officers in her home on Neal Street in northwest Atlanta on November 21, 2006, where she had lived for 17 years. Three officers had entered her home in what was later described as a 'botched' drug raid. Officers cut off burglar bars and broke down her door using a no-knock warrant. Police said Johnston fired at them and they fired in response; she fired one shot out the door over the officers' heads and they fired 39 shots, five or six of which hit her. None of the officers were injured by her gunfire, but Johnston was killed by the officers. Police injuries were later attributed to friendly fire from each other's weapons.
One of the officers planted marijuana in Johnston's house after the shooting. Later investigations found that the paperwork stating that drugs were present at Johnston's house, which had been the basis for the raid, had been falsified. The officers later admitted to having lied when they submitted cocaine as evidence claiming that they had bought it at Johnston's house. Three officers were tried for manslaughter and other charges surrounding falsification and were sentenced to ten, six, and five years.
Bounkham Phonsavanh - On May 27, 2014, in Cornelia, Georgia, a police informant alleged that he had bought $50 of methamphetamine from Wanis Thonetheva, a 30-year-old dealer at a residence belonging to Amanda Thonetheva, his mother. The dealer did not reside at the house, which contained no drugs or weapons, though a family with four young children lived in the house.
Police executed a no-knock raid at 2:25 am on May 28, with a SWAT team breaching a door with a ram and throwing a flash-bang stun grenade into a room containing a 19-month-old child. The grenade exploded inside the infant's playpen, igniting the playpen and his pillow, causing "blast burn injuries to the face and chest; a complex laceration of the nose, upper lip and face; 20% of the right upper lip missing; the external nose being separated from the underlying bone; and a large avulsion burn injury to the chest with a resulting left pulmonary contusion and sepsis".
Thanks for going through the trouble of typing this all up. No knock raids need to go the way of the dinosaur. There are plenty of sound tactics to apprehend criminals that can be utilized in lieu of no knock raids. No knock raids are lazy policework.
how does this have only 8 upvotes?
cops are not your friends. they are cops.
As a former cop, i couldn't agree more.
I'm not disagreeing, I just want sources/police reports/adjudications before I believe anything someone on the internet emotionally types out as their own recollection of stories and events using "selective quotes" and omitting all links to any source material. Can you provide this for each of those bullet points??
Listen mate, you can’t really support the second amendment as protection against a tyrannical govt and then turn around and say the govt main enforcement body can’t be tyrannical or make mistakes.
It makes sense to curtail the govt main body for violence in various aspects. Banning no knock raids is one, as it is extremely dangerous for all involved. Whereas hitting them as they leave or in traffic or wherever else that they’re not holed up with arms and cover.
Bootlicker sighted
The left would kill themselves if the media told them to do it. These plebeians are incapable of independent thought.
Lenin called them “useful idiots.”
If you are stupid enough to help communism come about you are too stupid to leave around afterwards. BLM and Pro-Fa aren't going to enjoy either ending to the situation they've created. They're either charged with domestic terrorism when Trump wins or they're lined up and shot if the commies somehow manage to succeed and take over.
It was in fact Yugoslav communists.
Yeah I have heard that.
But everyone says Lenin.
Yep
That's because Paul is one of a handful of conservatives in a sea of communists and/or uniparty grifters. His colleagues, including the GOP, are literally the problem.
They want you dead. They're racist Marxists. That's their only principles.
News flash folks, they don’t actually care about breona Taylor. They just see her as an excuse to justify their hate. They are just hateful people that can’t be pleased. They don’t want anything but for YOU to submit to agenda which is an evil, satanic ideology.
We could take advantage of it politically to end no knock raids though
He supports the President. That's all they genuinely care about is destroying Trump somehow
CurlyHairManBad
There's a lot of material there, believe me.
No Knock Raids are the American equivalent to Central American/MS-13 Kill Squads. Their only purpose is to circumvent due process.
Change my mind.
Wait till people find out they get rubber stamped warrants for those.
The Judges can't even verify the sources and intel with other agencies. It is like the script of Training Day the movie. Detectives rule the streets and Judges cower in fear of retribution from the police and government employee unions.
I like Rand. But sometimes he seems so completely out of touch and lack even a modicum of common sense.
Yeah, the BLM mob will definitely listen to you, Rand. Because they are all about the following the law and listening to reasoned arguments. They definitely won't attack you on the streets or shout you down.
Rand isn't talking to them. He's making a point to the normies.
That is exactly what he says.
This is a TV talking point he is making
Simple answer: They don't want to end no-knock raids. They want mob rule.
There is obvious irony that they don't know, but also that he should know better. They don't care what you are doing. You are just another white guy to them, and perhaps your efforts are are also misguided.
Please be #46
Rand Paul 2024
That's the thing.
I agree with criminal justice reform. I may not agree it's racist or why it needs reform, but I do agree with a lot of their aims. Decriminalize marijuana, revamp how we handle non-violent crimes. I do think sometimes cops are assholes. I do think that anything not explicitly deemed unconstitutional is considered an allowed investigative technique is some B.S.
I'm definitely willing to discuss some changes.
But they're doing their damnedest to remind me that I sure as hell don't want the cops defanged or defunded when a non-victimless crime is going down.
I don't want no-knock warrants, but I also don't want kids like Kyle to feel like they have to go out into known danger because the cops won't or can't.
What was that quote from Aragorn in LOTR? "They do not come to destroy Rohan's crops or villages. They come to destroy its people. Down to the last child."
Lets stop with the narrative that they are out there protesting something Mr. Paul, they are out their to destroy America's people.
BLM tore down status of Lincoln, so yeah, pretty stupid.
Hasn't it been confirmed that the police did knock first? That's why the guy was awake to fight back?
Would have been safer not to knock and catch them completely off guard.
Yes they knocked. The point of contention is if they identified themselves as police (they say they did) or not (the upstairs neighbor and boyfriend say they didn’t, though the boyfriend also said “if they did we wouldn’t have been able to hear”).
Has an autopsy report for Breonna been released publicly yet? I'd be curious to see the location of the 8 bullet wounds, that she sustained and if they truly match the narrative that she was sleeping in bed and got hit in the crossfire.
That’s the old MSM story. She was standing beside the boyfriend when he fired, he freely admits that.
I figured.
Don't care for Rand, but the abuse he gets is ridiculous
They hate libertarians a lot for some reason, even though some are cucked enough to side with them
They think people on the right that don't necessarily agree with Trump need to keep him in check. They don't realise we have no reason to in fight.
They hate libertarians because they are the only ones willing to take down the weaponized government. Many (most?) conservatives see leftists argue against government and respond by asking for more government.
We can see some examples in this thread with people (Anaconda alts perhaps) defending no-knock raids. I also know of users who support red flag laws and want Kyle to get locked up.
Hmmm 🤔 the announced seating was 1000 plus all campaign staff plus all the regulars WH support etc etc ........... I know it is a stretch but I believe Pres. Trump let a few guest experience the rioters venom ? msm can’t ignore rioters today
Can anyone direct me to a video of this interview?
Even with policy change the radical left won’t be satisfied. It’s clear their end goal here is total abolition of the police force. They want to be judge, jury, and executioner only for Republicans
THERE WILL BE NO INWARD REFLECTION FROM THEM, RAND. DON'T BET ON IT. THERE IS MINIMUM THOUGHT PROCESSING GOING ON IN THOSE HEADS
How many times is this guy going to get threats and attempts on his life? I love my senator (Paul). I couldn't be more proud of having had voted in President Trump and senator Paul!!
Ironically they knock for Taylor. If they haven't and did a "no knock" she might still be alive.
Except, they really don't care about no knock raids or Breonna Taylor, they just want a mob
Confirmation bias has taken a dangerous turn
Even though Breonna’s boyfriend shot through the door before the cops ever entered the property.
I agree with getting rid of “no knock raids”, but Breonna’s a horrible example.
This is best timeline
As if they'd care. They don't care about black lives, and they don't care about no knock raids. How is it not obvious that these looters arsonists moblings do not have any care for improving the world for other people? They're driven by nothing more than envy and hatred, and want only to burn down and destroy anything that isn't theirs.
The left is a terrorist organization Change my mind.
then stop helping them.
They're not sending their best!
Looks like Rand Paul might see why no-knock warrants are a valuable tool by law enforcement...
"Rand is a friend of mine." -Donald J. Trump
I wanna hug you Rand
Exactly. So no more concessions. No more appeasement. The retards on the left live in a TOTAL fucking echo chamber. They'll never hear about it and even if they did they wouldn't care.
They only care about color
Getting rid of no-knock raids is a stupid idea.
DUMB LIVES DONT MATTER
Well they're protesting against police and mass incarceration, and they're all voting for Biden and Harris..
I don't think thinking things through rationally is their strong suit.
What did you learn Rand Paul? I think your authentic- a great guy and great American. But you and the rest of the GOP is playing defense instead of offense. It you fail it's because while America burns you guys are doing next to nothing to support conservatives. Throwing us the occasional bone- not good enough.We need the GOP to start taking the offense and at least fight the liberals who are burning down America. My God- Stop whining and start fighting.
It’s not irony.
They don’t want a policy and they don’t want justice.
They want to murder their political opponents and seize tyrannical power.
Issues and complaints and allegations are mere mobilizing excuses.
The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.
They’ve said it for decades. They are clearly want to kill you - they’ve tried repeatedly.
So stop the naive policy disagreement crap and take them at their word.
https://thedonald.win/p/GbaoLh5T/the-truth-about-democrats/c/
Maybe don’t worry about the stuff that primarily affects criminals and their associates so much. Maybe work harder at protecting truly law abiding people, like the millions of us that have had all our rights stripped away cuz corona. The street trash doesn’t need you. And we don’t need or want them. “Say her name!” Ok, garbage drug whale.
There’s no fucking reason to get rid of no knock warrants in all situations. Officers put their lives on the line in all searches, but especially in those which meet the requirements for these types of warrants. Getting rid of this will only put more officers in danger, which will then lead to more violence.
We can do all the police and criminal justice reform in the world but as far as the criminals and suspects don’t follow the law or make it hard for law enforcement to do their job, nothing will change in society. I pity Cops ;they cannot do their jobs effectively because some citizens feel they know the cops job better than cops.