Definitely need to sue and get an injunction so that money doesn’t go anywhere. Hard to recover funds from pimps and drug dealers that this kind of windfall inevitably gets blown on.
You are not kidding. Just looked it up and read that rage inducing pile of journalistic vomit. I knew it was going to be a tough read after the second sentence: "Videos of the event tell us an incomplete story of what, exactly, happened that night." The video of "shoot me nigga" dude being the aggressor not clear enough? Actively retreating from the lynch mob yelling "get his ass" makes him a threat? The author then wants you to suspend your belief in the reality you have just witnessed and buy into the notion the mob were the "diverse group of good guys". And then does an epic mental gymnastic dismount by making it a white vs black issue. Truly rage inducing.
They will succeed in transferring millions of $ from the wealthy to a Hispanic minority once all the lawsuits are settled after he is found not guilty on all accounts.
It's the standard tactic prosecutors use to get convictions. They massively overcharge their targets - who often are completely innocent - to get them to plead to a lesser crime (most people don't have the resources to fight the government, so they have no choice but to take an L). The target still ends up a criminal and forever labelled as such, prosecutors another scalp for their belt.
And when the target has enough backbone to fight back, they make his life a living hell (example: General Flynn).
And it seems like they were moving VERY fast with Kenosha Kyle to try and get him to quickly plea with his public defender, before Pro 2A groups or lawyers got involved.
Correct. The public defender would have just agreed to a plea, that's what the prosecution was banking on. Now that Kyle has time to connect with Lin Wood, GOA, and others, the prosecution is toast.
Additional footage is revealing Kyle as the victim at every stage of the interaction.
Altercation at the gas station not involving him shows the rioters agitate armed locals, while no fewer than 4 in their crowd have handguns at the ready. That looks like a pattern trying to instigate a confrontation where people would be hurt.
First shooting involving Kyle, the first shot fired is a third party on the sidewalk firing a handgun. That individual is linked back to the gas station footage where he can be seen brandishing a handgun while pushing the flaming garbage bin down the block.
Second shooting involving Kyle, you hear multiple gunshots in the background. That these were other rioters discharging weapons to escalate the situation, agitate Kyle into firing randomly into the crowd, looks like it fits the behaviors of the gas station confrontation.
Comes off that there was an organized effort to try and orchestrate a 'holy martyr' situation for media purpose. Kyle fell into the trap. Then showed unbelievable restraint under pressure. They picked the wrong mark.
You'll note antifa tactics purposefully blunt their attacks. Literal use of blunt weapons giving the appearance of a weak and pathetic force. This is intentional to minimize arrests and investigation until they are large enough to use open violence. The Kenosha scenario could fit into that. Involve and fire small arms, not aimed at any individual. Try to ensnare someone into over-reaching with lethal return fire so they can continue to demonize those who protect themselves as dangerous militia. Planned.
You may have noticed use of fireworks at antifa riots. This trains your 'protest group' agitators use as cover not to react to loud noises. So eventually when you provoke an event with firearms the protest group stands there ignoring large booms increasing the odds one takes a bullet becoming your Holy Martyr flashpoint to escalate violence. The riot organizers would be trying to create an innocent victim to rally around. This tactic is used in all Color Revolutions.
Riot organizers could put that together simply by handing out handguns to felons at the event and ask them to shoot into the air to cause disruption. It looks important to arrest everyone with a handgun on film at the event to figure out what transpired.
Particularly the guy missing an elbow. Early in the footage he's seen on film watching Kyle provide EMT medical support to protesters. He sticks around the business for a while recording cell footage of Kyle's group before meeting up with him again later. Was a specific target selected for agitators to try separate from the rest of their group?
Now if they railroad Kyle, then it's all over quickly and media can have a ball.
Drag it out and the rest of the footage comes into play. Investigation needs to round up the rest of the shooters documented in footage of the event and ascertain whether they were responsible for targeting Kyle here.
Kyle never fired indiscriminately into the crowd. His second two shots were insane reflexes....he was milliseconds away from being executed by the third guy.
The riots will get worse after the election. Measures should be put in place that would really clamp down on violence post-election or it's going to be a shitshow. The opposition has already demonstrated that they would rather burn it down than allow Trump to have a second term.
The delay is specifically so that he can hire a lawyer of his choosing.
Given that we know that some very skilled lawyers are willing to work for him pro bono, this is a very GOOD thing in general for preserving his rights.
I paid 5g to a local attorney to eventually get my charges of two counts of assault with a firearm dismissed after almost a year. The last deal the DA offered was anger management classes and charges would be dropped. I, through my attorney, told the DA to fuck off and he dismissed the charges three days before the trial was to begin.
It can cost a lot of money, but that can be mitigated if you familiarize yourself with the law. After they pushed back various hearings and the trial date four times, I blew it and told my attorney that I wanted to exercise my right to a speedy trial. My lawyer told me that we could absolutely go in to the court room and do that and a trial would be set within days...but we weren't ready, which really means that he wasn't ready. If I had done that early on in the process and we would have prepared for a quick trial, it could have saved me a few thousand.
Just know this, on small crimes like that, the DA doesn't want to go to court..especially if the case is weak like mine. He doesn't want to spend the time preparing for it and doesn't want to spend the time in the court room. They especially don't want to spend the time on a case that they don't have a near 100% chance of a conviction.
My advice, if they have a weak case and it's not a violent felony, is to pressure them. Make them sweat. They'll do the most expeditious thing, which is to either drop the case, or offer a really sweet deal.
DAs are elected. Incumbents like to point to their conviction rate a as reason to re-elect them. These conviction rates are very high. My attorney told me that my county DA has a 99% conviction rate. It was at that point that I knew I would win. They don't take cases to trial unless they have a slam dunk case and mine was anything but.
First things first. Don't talk to the police. Just don't do it. Politely assert your right to remain silent and your right to have an attorney present during questioning. What appears like the most innocent of questions can be designed to get you to admit to something you think is innocent, but could be used against you in court. The cops are professionals at getting people to say incriminating things...you are not in their league. That's what a lawyer is for.
I did not talk to the police at all, even when they brought the LT to the scene to try and play bad cop/good cop. I asserted my right to remain silent and I asked for a lawyer. It helps if you have a law firm's card in your wallet or purse that you can show them. I did not, but my polite refusal to answer questions made the questioning stop fairly quickly. They arrested me and took me to jail where I bonded out in about 4 hours. The process was fairly painless even if it was quite inconvenient.
Second, be sure to get a good trial lawyer. Someone who isn't afraid of a court room and someone who isn't going to pressure you to take a plea deal. My lawyer never pressured me and was actually kind of eager to go to court. He thought we had a good chance at an acquittal. If you doubt your lawyer's advice, you can get a second opinion from another lawyer. This will cost a little bit of money and a little bit of time, but it might be worth it. Don't change lawyers unless it's necessary, that will slow the process down significantly.
Explain to your lawyer that you want this process to go quickly. Tell him that you might wish to exercise your right to a speedy trial. Tell him this early and tell him that you want to prepare for a trial early, even if the odds are that you wont go to trial.
If the DA starts to fuck around with delays and postponements, then exercise your rights and have your attorney request a speedy trial from the judge or at least threaten the DA with a speedy trial request. This will put tremendous pressure on the DA as he will have a full docket that now has to be shuffled around and passed off to others in the DA's office. They don't like this at all and if your charge is weak and there's a decent chance of you winning, this may be just the push the DA needs to dismiss it or offer a really good plea deal.
Be aware of plea deals. A plea deal is the same as a conviction at a trial. You can lose certain rights depending on what deal you take. You will also have a criminal record and all the inconveniences that comes with it. If the witnesses are trash and the evidence is shoddy and your lawyer thinks you can win it, then don't take any plea deal. Push for a trial as soon as possible. Make them sweat.
Pay attention to the preliminary hearing. Your lawyer will be able to ask your accusers questions. This is an excellent time to gauge how good he is in a court room.
You will not have to speak at any time in this entire legal process, not even at trial. You should never have to speak to the DA, or any other court officer except, maybe, the judge. Follow your lawyer's advice on this. If he thinks it's best that you take the stand and testify, then you should probably do it...but you don't have to if you don't want to.
I would also like to say, if they have great evidence and it's likely that you will be convicted, then you better plea, because if you go to trial the punishment will be much worse than if you had just plead guilty to some lesser crime. Judges and DA's hate it when lower felony offenses go to trial as they think it's a waste of the court's time.
There are two trial types. Trial by Jury and a trial where the judge can decide on the guilt (bench trial). I had the option to request either, I chose a jury trial, based off of the advice of my lawyer, but it wasn't a black and white decision. Your lawyer may advise a different path. One thing to know; in bench trials, there is no rout of appealing the decision. Once the judge decides, that's it, you can't appeal...at least in my state.
If you are being accused of a violent crime or some other big time felony, then you will almost assuredly get much different treatment from the DA and Judge than what I've laid out here. This essay is only intended for lower class felonies and misdemeanors.
It's important to look at this whole thing as a fight between you and the DA, not a fight between you and your accusers. This is a bloody, knock down, drag out fight against the grinding gears of the judicial system. You can make things right against your accusers after the trial in civil court if you think you have a case. In the mean time, forget about them. Forget about the police that arrested you. Forget about all that stuff. This is between you and the DA. The rest of that can be ironed out later, after you've walked free.
Get your mindset right. Don't be afraid of going to jail unless they have really good evidence. They play off this fear and that's how they get hundreds of thousands of people every year to plea to stuff they didn't do. Fuck them . That should be your mindset. You're going to beat that punk ass DA and show him who's the boss. Don't forget it.
This. Most people don’t have the resources to fight. If you do have those resources, you can get out of most things because a good team of attorneys will dig into everything to help clear you.
I don’t handle criminal law, but I’ve worked on criminal cases where defendants had to money to pay for the man-hours to pull out obscure cases, develop novel legal theories, and pinpoint all sorts of procedural missteps.
I was thinking about this as well. If Kyle gets convicted the country is toast. The battle lines will be drawn and people will just start moving to congregate on their side.
i.e all us productive people that work and pay taxes.The welfare state will starve itself, and welfare seeking migrants will attempt to scale our walls to yet take from us again, but they shall find no reprieve.
For at the top of the wall stands Kyle and on the other side stand 10,000 more.
They’re trying, they’ll fail, and they’ll be sued into oblivion.
Sue every single media company that called him a white supremacist while they're at it
They didn't learn from Sandmann. Make them learn again.
2020: Make CNN pay a defamation lawsuit again.
They won't learn because it is Soros and chicom money. If they had to put their own personal money on the line, that would be a better lesson
Old man CNN needs another (legal) beat down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVxJ016xb4Q
They don't want to learn they want to attack their political opposition. It's not like it's their money.
Yep. Zero evidence of it. Slandering a minor.
What’s the deal with the possession of a dangerous weapon charge? Are minors not allowed to have an AR in Wisconsin?
Gofundme polled the plug on Kyles donation page.
Definitely need to sue and get an injunction so that money doesn’t go anywhere. Hard to recover funds from pimps and drug dealers that this kind of windfall inevitably gets blown on.
Nah, their "estates" likely consist of a box kiddy porn
I like that idea. 👍🏼
And Ayannah Pressley
That bald headed cunt!
The one at slate "The Conservative Defense of Kyle Rittenhouse Is Dangerous Nonsense" gets me the angriest
You are not kidding. Just looked it up and read that rage inducing pile of journalistic vomit. I knew it was going to be a tough read after the second sentence: "Videos of the event tell us an incomplete story of what, exactly, happened that night." The video of "shoot me nigga" dude being the aggressor not clear enough? Actively retreating from the lynch mob yelling "get his ass" makes him a threat? The author then wants you to suspend your belief in the reality you have just witnessed and buy into the notion the mob were the "diverse group of good guys". And then does an epic mental gymnastic dismount by making it a white vs black issue. Truly rage inducing.
Agreed. They were killed because they were trying to kill him, not tickle him...
They will succeed in transferring millions of $ from the wealthy to a Hispanic minority once all the lawsuits are settled after he is found not guilty on all accounts.
If they don't fail and actually convict the kid, then it's on us. Do whatever it takes.
You know, im ready to pursue this career path.
It's the standard tactic prosecutors use to get convictions. They massively overcharge their targets - who often are completely innocent - to get them to plead to a lesser crime (most people don't have the resources to fight the government, so they have no choice but to take an L). The target still ends up a criminal and forever labelled as such, prosecutors another scalp for their belt.
And when the target has enough backbone to fight back, they make his life a living hell (example: General Flynn).
And it seems like they were moving VERY fast with Kenosha Kyle to try and get him to quickly plea with his public defender, before Pro 2A groups or lawyers got involved.
I'm glad the judge postponed his extradition.
Correct. The public defender would have just agreed to a plea, that's what the prosecution was banking on. Now that Kyle has time to connect with Lin Wood, GOA, and others, the prosecution is toast.
Prosecutor is completely unprepared for what's about to come down on him.
He connected with Lin Wood? A reckoning is coming.
Additional footage is revealing Kyle as the victim at every stage of the interaction.
Altercation at the gas station not involving him shows the rioters agitate armed locals, while no fewer than 4 in their crowd have handguns at the ready. That looks like a pattern trying to instigate a confrontation where people would be hurt.
First shooting involving Kyle, the first shot fired is a third party on the sidewalk firing a handgun. That individual is linked back to the gas station footage where he can be seen brandishing a handgun while pushing the flaming garbage bin down the block.
Second shooting involving Kyle, you hear multiple gunshots in the background. That these were other rioters discharging weapons to escalate the situation, agitate Kyle into firing randomly into the crowd, looks like it fits the behaviors of the gas station confrontation.
Comes off that there was an organized effort to try and orchestrate a 'holy martyr' situation for media purpose. Kyle fell into the trap. Then showed unbelievable restraint under pressure. They picked the wrong mark.
You'll note antifa tactics purposefully blunt their attacks. Literal use of blunt weapons giving the appearance of a weak and pathetic force. This is intentional to minimize arrests and investigation until they are large enough to use open violence. The Kenosha scenario could fit into that. Involve and fire small arms, not aimed at any individual. Try to ensnare someone into over-reaching with lethal return fire so they can continue to demonize those who protect themselves as dangerous militia. Planned.
You may have noticed use of fireworks at antifa riots. This trains your 'protest group' agitators use as cover not to react to loud noises. So eventually when you provoke an event with firearms the protest group stands there ignoring large booms increasing the odds one takes a bullet becoming your Holy Martyr flashpoint to escalate violence. The riot organizers would be trying to create an innocent victim to rally around. This tactic is used in all Color Revolutions.
Riot organizers could put that together simply by handing out handguns to felons at the event and ask them to shoot into the air to cause disruption. It looks important to arrest everyone with a handgun on film at the event to figure out what transpired.
Particularly the guy missing an elbow. Early in the footage he's seen on film watching Kyle provide EMT medical support to protesters. He sticks around the business for a while recording cell footage of Kyle's group before meeting up with him again later. Was a specific target selected for agitators to try separate from the rest of their group?
Now if they railroad Kyle, then it's all over quickly and media can have a ball.
Drag it out and the rest of the footage comes into play. Investigation needs to round up the rest of the shooters documented in footage of the event and ascertain whether they were responsible for targeting Kyle here.
This is very informative, got links? I'm trying to track all the video links for redpilling purposes. Someone needs to put this all together.
Kyle never fired indiscriminately into the crowd. His second two shots were insane reflexes....he was milliseconds away from being executed by the third guy.
Definitely going to be career ending for any idiots who decide to line up on the other side.
good I love these riots before election, it will cause trump to win
The riots will get worse after the election. Measures should be put in place that would really clamp down on violence post-election or it's going to be a shitshow. The opposition has already demonstrated that they would rather burn it down than allow Trump to have a second term.
There's no way they can get through the legal process before the election, unless they drop all the charges.
This will likely last until sometime next year, and that may be optimistic.
The delay is specifically so that he can hire a lawyer of his choosing.
Given that we know that some very skilled lawyers are willing to work for him pro bono, this is a very GOOD thing in general for preserving his rights.
Lin Wood has already lined up John Pierce and local legal talent for Kyle.
I paid 5g to a local attorney to eventually get my charges of two counts of assault with a firearm dismissed after almost a year. The last deal the DA offered was anger management classes and charges would be dropped. I, through my attorney, told the DA to fuck off and he dismissed the charges three days before the trial was to begin.
It can cost a lot of money, but that can be mitigated if you familiarize yourself with the law. After they pushed back various hearings and the trial date four times, I blew it and told my attorney that I wanted to exercise my right to a speedy trial. My lawyer told me that we could absolutely go in to the court room and do that and a trial would be set within days...but we weren't ready, which really means that he wasn't ready. If I had done that early on in the process and we would have prepared for a quick trial, it could have saved me a few thousand.
Just know this, on small crimes like that, the DA doesn't want to go to court..especially if the case is weak like mine. He doesn't want to spend the time preparing for it and doesn't want to spend the time in the court room. They especially don't want to spend the time on a case that they don't have a near 100% chance of a conviction.
My advice, if they have a weak case and it's not a violent felony, is to pressure them. Make them sweat. They'll do the most expeditious thing, which is to either drop the case, or offer a really sweet deal.
I want to make a few things clear.
DAs are elected. Incumbents like to point to their conviction rate a as reason to re-elect them. These conviction rates are very high. My attorney told me that my county DA has a 99% conviction rate. It was at that point that I knew I would win. They don't take cases to trial unless they have a slam dunk case and mine was anything but.
First things first. Don't talk to the police. Just don't do it. Politely assert your right to remain silent and your right to have an attorney present during questioning. What appears like the most innocent of questions can be designed to get you to admit to something you think is innocent, but could be used against you in court. The cops are professionals at getting people to say incriminating things...you are not in their league. That's what a lawyer is for.
I did not talk to the police at all, even when they brought the LT to the scene to try and play bad cop/good cop. I asserted my right to remain silent and I asked for a lawyer. It helps if you have a law firm's card in your wallet or purse that you can show them. I did not, but my polite refusal to answer questions made the questioning stop fairly quickly. They arrested me and took me to jail where I bonded out in about 4 hours. The process was fairly painless even if it was quite inconvenient.
Second, be sure to get a good trial lawyer. Someone who isn't afraid of a court room and someone who isn't going to pressure you to take a plea deal. My lawyer never pressured me and was actually kind of eager to go to court. He thought we had a good chance at an acquittal. If you doubt your lawyer's advice, you can get a second opinion from another lawyer. This will cost a little bit of money and a little bit of time, but it might be worth it. Don't change lawyers unless it's necessary, that will slow the process down significantly.
Explain to your lawyer that you want this process to go quickly. Tell him that you might wish to exercise your right to a speedy trial. Tell him this early and tell him that you want to prepare for a trial early, even if the odds are that you wont go to trial.
If the DA starts to fuck around with delays and postponements, then exercise your rights and have your attorney request a speedy trial from the judge or at least threaten the DA with a speedy trial request. This will put tremendous pressure on the DA as he will have a full docket that now has to be shuffled around and passed off to others in the DA's office. They don't like this at all and if your charge is weak and there's a decent chance of you winning, this may be just the push the DA needs to dismiss it or offer a really good plea deal.
Be aware of plea deals. A plea deal is the same as a conviction at a trial. You can lose certain rights depending on what deal you take. You will also have a criminal record and all the inconveniences that comes with it. If the witnesses are trash and the evidence is shoddy and your lawyer thinks you can win it, then don't take any plea deal. Push for a trial as soon as possible. Make them sweat.
Pay attention to the preliminary hearing. Your lawyer will be able to ask your accusers questions. This is an excellent time to gauge how good he is in a court room.
You will not have to speak at any time in this entire legal process, not even at trial. You should never have to speak to the DA, or any other court officer except, maybe, the judge. Follow your lawyer's advice on this. If he thinks it's best that you take the stand and testify, then you should probably do it...but you don't have to if you don't want to.
I would also like to say, if they have great evidence and it's likely that you will be convicted, then you better plea, because if you go to trial the punishment will be much worse than if you had just plead guilty to some lesser crime. Judges and DA's hate it when lower felony offenses go to trial as they think it's a waste of the court's time.
There are two trial types. Trial by Jury and a trial where the judge can decide on the guilt (bench trial). I had the option to request either, I chose a jury trial, based off of the advice of my lawyer, but it wasn't a black and white decision. Your lawyer may advise a different path. One thing to know; in bench trials, there is no rout of appealing the decision. Once the judge decides, that's it, you can't appeal...at least in my state.
If you are being accused of a violent crime or some other big time felony, then you will almost assuredly get much different treatment from the DA and Judge than what I've laid out here. This essay is only intended for lower class felonies and misdemeanors.
It's important to look at this whole thing as a fight between you and the DA, not a fight between you and your accusers. This is a bloody, knock down, drag out fight against the grinding gears of the judicial system. You can make things right against your accusers after the trial in civil court if you think you have a case. In the mean time, forget about them. Forget about the police that arrested you. Forget about all that stuff. This is between you and the DA. The rest of that can be ironed out later, after you've walked free.
Get your mindset right. Don't be afraid of going to jail unless they have really good evidence. They play off this fear and that's how they get hundreds of thousands of people every year to plea to stuff they didn't do. Fuck them . That should be your mindset. You're going to beat that punk ass DA and show him who's the boss. Don't forget it.
This. Most people don’t have the resources to fight. If you do have those resources, you can get out of most things because a good team of attorneys will dig into everything to help clear you.
I don’t handle criminal law, but I’ve worked on criminal cases where defendants had to money to pay for the man-hours to pull out obscure cases, develop novel legal theories, and pinpoint all sorts of procedural missteps.
He hasn’t been primaried by Soros because he is already an ally.
This guy gets it.
That's crazy.
And in fact, the push back he got from that may have something to do with why he is charging here.
Check this out: https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/nlg/open-letter-to-kenosha-da-michael-graveley-freechrystul/
Because of that case, he can't really NOT charge a white male, even if self-defense is involved. He couldn't explain that to his Democratic base.
They may have charged him to start the extradition process.
They're doing a fat smokey burnout
Chuckles in Durham
Just donated last night.
This is a bellwether case for self defense and especially so during civil unrest.
This can't be allowed to be lost. This kid can't be allowed to be sacrificed.
As Kyle goes, so go the rest of us. Perhaps sooner than later.
I was thinking about this as well. If Kyle gets convicted the country is toast. The battle lines will be drawn and people will just start moving to congregate on their side.
i.e all us productive people that work and pay taxes.The welfare state will starve itself, and welfare seeking migrants will attempt to scale our walls to yet take from us again, but they shall find no reprieve.
For at the top of the wall stands Kyle and on the other side stand 10,000 more.