Also, stand up to them and provide resistance now.
We don't need to get to armed conflict if we just provide the least bit of resistance. We've given them the culture. They're in every corporation. Every trade. Every leisure activity. We dont' push back, so they keep infecting more.
We can stop it. For some reason, we think our comfort today is more important than preventing death tomorrow.
it's really against our interests to stop it early.
It's not early. It's late in the game. We're close to seeing the pot boil over already. I think what u/Pederrr is leaning toward is the idea that if we can stop them festering further, we have a chance to reverse course.
It may not seem like it to you, or indeed, even possible, but by the time there is violence in the streets targeting people based largely on their political leanings it's already too late.
We can stop this from becoming a full blown shooting war. Or not. I'd rather we nip this in the bud now, because you really do not want to go down that road.
War is ugly. Everyone thinks it's going to be some great cleansing, but I don't think we appreciate just how bad things could get when society breaks down and the killing starts.
Everyone is better off when we mitigate death and suffering. If we can continue America's turnaround those same ideological enemies we have now may be our brothers and sisters later
You're strawmanning my argument. I said nothing about calming down the response and letting the left continue. In fact, these two comments are diametrically opposed.
What I said:
I'd rather we nip this in the bud now, because you really do not want to go down that road.
What you inferred I said:
you are right we should just calm it down and let the left continue on their path of societal erosion.
Now, we can continue to have a reasonable discussion on the merits of what was actually said or we can strawman and get nowhere.
If the latter, then I really have nothing else to add since everything I was thinking about this entire thread was already stated in my original post. I'm also not interested in having words put in my mouth.
I agree there is no peaceful resolution possible. There is no blue State for us to yield. Pederrr said STAND UP to them, not appease them. This reversal of intimidation is necessary.
I kinda see both sides, and part of the problem is that as a society, there’s too many people out there that run to daddy government to solve their dispute and involve too much legal process when 2 people get in a punch up.
I mean, damn, even technically poking someone in the shoulder is considered assault for gods sake. I posit at least part of the reason these shrieking, entitled, arrogant, commie kiddos have become so emboldened is that nobody has ever given them an ass whuppin when they last tried their nonsense.
Why is this not done anymore? Because you so as much as throw water on the nearest one and the police arrest you for “assault”.
Be it “protesting”, waking up the dead in quiet neighbourhoods in the middle of the night (wake up mutha Fukka wake up!), several dozen fist raised white kids looming over 1 lone female diner on a patio, trump flag wavers getting their stand dragged off by 90 pound teenage girls, dindus walking into stores to calmly steal, commies going into restaurants to chant at diners etc.
Since today is so litigation obsessed, what you end up with is 2 lines of groups, loser commies on one side, normal patriots on the other, and it decends into a sad pushing/shoving match, with lots of cop out crap like pepper spray on both sides.
When punches start to get thrown, cops often intervene, make arrests on both sides before the patriots get the upper hand, and the commies don’t learn their lesson. AGAIN.
There was a time in the western world, where if any of this was tried, residents of a woken up neighbourhood would give the commie crowd a beat down they wouldn’t forget, the restaurant manager would be shoving them out, and patriots could both give and receive punches (and win) but most importantly, the police would either not really get involved unless serious, or not bother with charging anyone because you know lessons would be learned.
What I’m saying is this: if at least HALF of these commie LARPers had got a good lickin’ in the early days of the riots in Portland by fed up citizens (and all other rioting cities) and that no matter how many times the kids came out to riot, there was a greater amount of fed up citizens just wanting a quiet no noise night - giving out ANOTHER ass whuppin, I’m betting the Portland riots would dry up in less than a week.
The shooting by Kyle is a natural evolution of the problem not being solved naturally by neighbourhood ass kicking earlier. The hard left were not given or shown any red lines to cross. So they just get cockier and cockier until BLAM.
It shouldn’t have come to this. The 3 that got shot had their butts kicked, repeatedly ....UNTIL it got through their dumb heads, we may not be in this situation today.
If that “Shoot me Ni&&A” cretin got blasted in the face for being annoying, he might have had some sense knocked into him and been alive today.
But the Marxists ignored our warnings. They kept poking the bear.... poke...poke...poke. Well wahhh wahh wahh. The rattlesnake gave you plenty chances to back down. You’re playing with the big boys now commies. We have all the guns. Are you SURE you want to do this?
I don't have time to write a detailed reply, but suffice to say that I do agree with you.
The pot is boiling over. I'm not suggesting that no violence is the only answer. Violence is going to come, one way or the other, and it is going to get uglier as time goes on. I'm expecting the left to escalate and start attacking/killing innocent people or resorting to terrorist acts. It's just a matter of time.
The advantage in this case, though, is that it makes the position of the political left and the talking heads significantly more indefensible in the eyes of the general public. Maybe this is what we need for a reset.
The crux of my point is that I really don't want to see a civil war. I'm afraid we may already be well along that road to a point where it's irreversible. And, if we are, then I pray we do it right this time and eliminate the enemies who detest the US and the Constitution for good. But I really, really, really, really don't want us to go down that road, because the global political dynamics are such that I don't think we appreciate the consequences such a war might bring. u/Gadsden, in another reply to me, alludes to this point rather astutely, and I share his fears.
What may be necessary is for the pot to boil over just enough to teach the communists a lesson but not so much that we escalate into a full blown shooting war. Anyone wanting for the latter is a fool.
China would not be here in an instant. What, you think our navy just disappears the moment a civil war breaks out? China cannot get their troops to our shores. The best they could do is try to fund the communist side.
Dunno why you were getting downvotes, because you're right.
The instant we decay into massive civil unrest, the door is wide open for China to come marching in if we're too busy caught up in something domestic to pay much mind overseas.
Either that or they're going to use it as an opportunity to expand their influence further in our hemisphere than they already have.
Things like that only happen if we dawdle. If we finish it in one night our own military has no time to deploy, and we wind up with an intact military. THAT is what prevents foreigners from interfering.
it may be too late. All were seeing is the closing of the economy, the coordinated riots. we're not seeing the behind the scenes planning. This constant state of fear has been going on since trump was elected
Discussion won't. I'm not ignorant enough to believe that.
Violence may be the only solution, but violence doesn't not necessarily equate to war. War is much uglier and not something one should entertain lightly.
Also, stand up to them and provide resistance now.
We don't need to get to armed conflict if we just provide the least bit of resistance. We've given them the culture. They're in every corporation. Every trade. Every leisure activity. We dont' push back, so they keep infecting more.
We can stop it. For some reason, we think our comfort today is more important than preventing death tomorrow.
It's not early. It's late in the game. We're close to seeing the pot boil over already. I think what u/Pederrr is leaning toward is the idea that if we can stop them festering further, we have a chance to reverse course.
It may not seem like it to you, or indeed, even possible, but by the time there is violence in the streets targeting people based largely on their political leanings it's already too late.
We can stop this from becoming a full blown shooting war. Or not. I'd rather we nip this in the bud now, because you really do not want to go down that road.
War is ugly. Everyone thinks it's going to be some great cleansing, but I don't think we appreciate just how bad things could get when society breaks down and the killing starts.
Everyone is better off when we mitigate death and suffering. If we can continue America's turnaround those same ideological enemies we have now may be our brothers and sisters later
You're strawmanning my argument. I said nothing about calming down the response and letting the left continue. In fact, these two comments are diametrically opposed.
What I said:
What you inferred I said:
Now, we can continue to have a reasonable discussion on the merits of what was actually said or we can strawman and get nowhere.
If the latter, then I really have nothing else to add since everything I was thinking about this entire thread was already stated in my original post. I'm also not interested in having words put in my mouth.
I agree there is no peaceful resolution possible. There is no blue State for us to yield. Pederrr said STAND UP to them, not appease them. This reversal of intimidation is necessary.
I kinda see both sides, and part of the problem is that as a society, there’s too many people out there that run to daddy government to solve their dispute and involve too much legal process when 2 people get in a punch up.
I mean, damn, even technically poking someone in the shoulder is considered assault for gods sake. I posit at least part of the reason these shrieking, entitled, arrogant, commie kiddos have become so emboldened is that nobody has ever given them an ass whuppin when they last tried their nonsense.
Why is this not done anymore? Because you so as much as throw water on the nearest one and the police arrest you for “assault”.
Be it “protesting”, waking up the dead in quiet neighbourhoods in the middle of the night (wake up mutha Fukka wake up!), several dozen fist raised white kids looming over 1 lone female diner on a patio, trump flag wavers getting their stand dragged off by 90 pound teenage girls, dindus walking into stores to calmly steal, commies going into restaurants to chant at diners etc.
Since today is so litigation obsessed, what you end up with is 2 lines of groups, loser commies on one side, normal patriots on the other, and it decends into a sad pushing/shoving match, with lots of cop out crap like pepper spray on both sides.
When punches start to get thrown, cops often intervene, make arrests on both sides before the patriots get the upper hand, and the commies don’t learn their lesson. AGAIN.
There was a time in the western world, where if any of this was tried, residents of a woken up neighbourhood would give the commie crowd a beat down they wouldn’t forget, the restaurant manager would be shoving them out, and patriots could both give and receive punches (and win) but most importantly, the police would either not really get involved unless serious, or not bother with charging anyone because you know lessons would be learned.
What I’m saying is this: if at least HALF of these commie LARPers had got a good lickin’ in the early days of the riots in Portland by fed up citizens (and all other rioting cities) and that no matter how many times the kids came out to riot, there was a greater amount of fed up citizens just wanting a quiet no noise night - giving out ANOTHER ass whuppin, I’m betting the Portland riots would dry up in less than a week.
The shooting by Kyle is a natural evolution of the problem not being solved naturally by neighbourhood ass kicking earlier. The hard left were not given or shown any red lines to cross. So they just get cockier and cockier until BLAM.
It shouldn’t have come to this. The 3 that got shot had their butts kicked, repeatedly ....UNTIL it got through their dumb heads, we may not be in this situation today.
If that “Shoot me Ni&&A” cretin got blasted in the face for being annoying, he might have had some sense knocked into him and been alive today.
But the Marxists ignored our warnings. They kept poking the bear.... poke...poke...poke. Well wahhh wahh wahh. The rattlesnake gave you plenty chances to back down. You’re playing with the big boys now commies. We have all the guns. Are you SURE you want to do this?
I don't have time to write a detailed reply, but suffice to say that I do agree with you.
The pot is boiling over. I'm not suggesting that no violence is the only answer. Violence is going to come, one way or the other, and it is going to get uglier as time goes on. I'm expecting the left to escalate and start attacking/killing innocent people or resorting to terrorist acts. It's just a matter of time.
The advantage in this case, though, is that it makes the position of the political left and the talking heads significantly more indefensible in the eyes of the general public. Maybe this is what we need for a reset.
The crux of my point is that I really don't want to see a civil war. I'm afraid we may already be well along that road to a point where it's irreversible. And, if we are, then I pray we do it right this time and eliminate the enemies who detest the US and the Constitution for good. But I really, really, really, really don't want us to go down that road, because the global political dynamics are such that I don't think we appreciate the consequences such a war might bring. u/Gadsden, in another reply to me, alludes to this point rather astutely, and I share his fears.
What may be necessary is for the pot to boil over just enough to teach the communists a lesson but not so much that we escalate into a full blown shooting war. Anyone wanting for the latter is a fool.
Not to mention no one ever remembers our enemies when they talk about civil war. This isn't the 1800s. China would be here in a heartbeat.
Everyone seems to believe that our enemies will sit idly by while we murder one another.
China would not be here in an instant. What, you think our navy just disappears the moment a civil war breaks out? China cannot get their troops to our shores. The best they could do is try to fund the communist side.
They don't have the navy to do that, and this stupid point keeps getting brought up. You just want us to never fight back and to lose.
Dunno why you were getting downvotes, because you're right.
The instant we decay into massive civil unrest, the door is wide open for China to come marching in if we're too busy caught up in something domestic to pay much mind overseas.
Either that or they're going to use it as an opportunity to expand their influence further in our hemisphere than they already have.
Things like that only happen if we dawdle. If we finish it in one night our own military has no time to deploy, and we wind up with an intact military. THAT is what prevents foreigners from interfering.
it may be too late. All were seeing is the closing of the economy, the coordinated riots. we're not seeing the behind the scenes planning. This constant state of fear has been going on since trump was elected
The behind the scenes planning has been going on since 1913. No plan is our main disadvantage. We have every other advantage.
The problem is there is no other solution at this point other than war. You think some discussion is gonna change these Marxists minds? Hell no lol.
Discussion won't. I'm not ignorant enough to believe that.
Violence may be the only solution, but violence doesn't not necessarily equate to war. War is much uglier and not something one should entertain lightly.
"Calming" is not the objective. They will only start their bs all over. The only good Marxist is a dead Marxist.